#stop demonizing npd bpd aspd and hpd

[castleofravens]

don't use narcissistic as an insult, do not call something "narcissistic abuse", do not demonize npd any more than it already is, do not contribute to ableism and stigmatization of personality disorders, and it's actually so messed up to tell people they're beyond help. your diagnosis doesn't fucking define you

everyone's a mental health advocate until it's a "scary disorder", until the "impedes daily life/relationships" part of like every diagnostic criteria actually starts impeding daily life/relationships???and we've personally been hurt by more people who call themselves "empaths" than by people who don't feel a lot of empathy or don't feel empathy at all??????

characterizing people w/ cluster b personality disorders as irredeemable monsters is ableism, don't call yourself a mental health advocate or neurodiversity advocate if you demonize us and leave us out of your advocacy/activism <3

[lutravurr]

everyone who says cluster b instead of personality disorders to refer to base pd symptoms and clearly doesnt give a shit about pw hpd or aspd die in a fire forever ok

[underwaterspiderbird]

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cluster b culture is truly believing you’ll never get better or change because your symptoms have made you do ugly things in the past even though you regret them now

[alexandraisyes]

You're 98.5% more likely to be abused by someone without NPD, ASPD, BPD, or HPD.

Simply because of how rare cluster b disorders are. So stop demonizing them because of the handful of people who have them and are assholes, most of us are just trying to get by like everyone else.

General surveys and studies on abusive behaviors suggest that around 10-25% of individuals might engage in abusive behaviors at some point in their lives. This range considers various forms of abuse, including physical, emotional, psychological, and financial abuse.

So if the general population has 10-25% you can apply that to a localized population which if you're fair with the math means that 0.15-0.375% percent of the population is likely to have a cluster B disorder AND be an abusive person. So let's stop demonizing these disorders.

[lungrots]

I’m sorry not sorry, but you’re demonizing cluster b personality disorders and psychosis when you pathologicize an abuser’s actions with mental illnesses. Schizophrenia isn’t the murder disorder, aspd isn’t the rapist disorder, and npd, bpd, and hpd aren’t the abuser disorder. I’m not saying you can’t headcanon or interpret Jimmy struggling with these, but that’s not the same as excusing his abuse on a fucking disorder. Stop pathologicizing Jimmy’s abusive actions on a mental illness, thanks.

[landscaping-your-mind]

It’s so easy to insult people by not being ableist. This disability pride month, call people dicks more, and wish you could say the r slur instead of what you’re saying there less! This disability pride month, try not to insult people by mocking their possible dementia! Mock how bad they are as a person. This disability pride month, don’t call people you don’t like narcissists. This disability pride month, we’re going to work real hard on expanding that vocabulary of insults you have, so it isn’t all just being a dick to disabled people, to mentally ill people, to neurodivergent people.

Stop using us as a scapegoat. Have you not heard of punching up? ‘Cause you’re punching down, you might not know it but you’re punching down. If you, a neurotypical person, an abled person, a person without a personality disorder, etc, etc, are demonizing and mocking people because of their disability or traits associated, then you’re a dick.

Go get another talking point against TikTok. There’s worse to say about it than it’s just got a bunch of people with the attention span of a goldfish on it. Get another talking point against your abusers, I’m sorry you got hurt, but no way in hell is that justifying you treating people with NPD, HPD, ASPD, BPD, et cetera, like shit. Get another talking point against the politicians you don’t like. Dementia jokes are getting old, and if you don’t shut up about the goddamn addled brain, I’m going to scream. Get another fucking talking point.

Punch up. We’re all down here in the trenches together, stop making us go down, we’re not bloody crabs in a bucket.

[graveyarddemon]

DNI LIST SO I CAN HAVE PEACE

DNI

People who support Jewish voice for peace, they aren't Jewish and def not for peace

people who believes in aspd abuse, npd abuse, hpd abuse & bpd abuse.

ableists or sanists

people who use high/low func in an ableist way. You can use it towards yourself all you want but I don't feel comfortable when its used on me.

people who use 'Asperger' without knowing it's history and why its problematic, it's a n*zi term for autism. Nothing against those who were diagnosed with it of course.

fatphobes/lgbt-phobic/racists/sexists/etc, basically any type of bigotry

don't be islamophobic/anti-semitic/etc

people who demonize mental disorders for example: DID, Schizo spec, personality disorders, bipolar and more.

please don't bring the middle east conflict to me, I'm a middle eastern, I was born here and grew here. I am indigenous to this land and just want PEACE. I'm sick of hearing about it from people who think they know everything, PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIVE HERE AND THINK THEY KNOW WHAT ITS LIKE. there's a lot of gray in this, not black and white. I believe each human, deserve to be treated with respect, regardless of their race/religion/heritage/gender/sexuality/etc. It's so easy for people to just pick a side and cheer. stop it. it's better if you just don't open your mouth, it's my life and the lives of others here which are being treated like a fkin sports even.

If you support ham*s or what happened on october 7th, you can fk off. don't cry to me about humanity if you stayed silent on that but cry about the other side.

The whole situation rn is very triggering to me, I already have bad mental health, relapsing and more. If you want to learn more, I recommend Muhammad Zoabi (@/muhammadzoabi98), @/unapolagetic3n, @/rootsmetals and @/levantine_gay , all on instagram

https://www.instagram.com/unapologetic3n/?hl=he

https://www.instagram.com/levantine_gay/

https://www.instagram.com/muhammadzoabi98/

https://www.instagram.com/rootsmetals/

[chroniccoolness]

the notes are super worth everyone reading, I'd like to add (and/or reiterate):

the way pw eating disorders, and also untreated people, are not allowed to have opinions on our disorders. this might just be my experience, but I've been treated as if my input on eating disorders is not valuable because i have not recovered and frequently relapse. essentially, because I still experience symptoms and anorexia still shapes the way I think, I get discounted, treated as bad/dangerous/anti-recovery, and told I can't possibly understand how eating disorders work or how to support pwEDs, even though IM LIVING IT. additionally, as someone with paranoia, I see a very similar attitude towards paranoid + psychotic people who aren't fully on meds/in therapy/functioning as or close to an abled person. *we can know our disorders*. ask *us*.

the treatment of PDs. cluster A and C are completely ignored. ASPD, HPD, and NPD only exist to people when they want a scapegoat/"monster" or insult. BPD is the one talked abt 90% of the time, but even then, the information is often inaccurate or incomplete, romanticized, sexualized, refuses to discuss "unpretty" symptoms, and lacks support for anyone but the mythical Perfect Borderline Who's Never Hurt Anyone And Is Totally Self Aware And Has No Bad/"Evil" Thoughts Or Actions

the emphasis on work, value coming from what you can contribute, etc. additonally: the "parasite" excuse for hating landlords. landlords are bad, but it is not because they don't work.

low support autistic/adhd/mentally ill (often ablebodied, often white) people demonizing people with higher needs or more stigmatized symptoms, or refusing to acknowledge that others can suffer more than them.

the common "gay aesthetic" being an able-bodied one

focusing more on language ("Stop saying crazy! stop saying lame!") than actually weeding out the ableist IDEAS in leftist spaces (eugenics is eugenics regardless of whether you're calling us insane cripples or "vulnerable populations with disabilities and mental health conditions").

body positivity being focused around "You can be fat and healthy, so being fat is okay!" as opposed to "the state your body is in does not affect your value or the respect you are worth". fat disabled people still have worth, even if they are never going to be healthy. hell, even if they are unhealthy BECAUSE of their weight (though that's much rarer than fatphobia wants society to believe)

hey fellow crips/neurodivergent individuals,

im considering making a video on ableism within leftism, e.g self-proclaimed leftists saying cripple and using "narcissistic" as an insult. what are some things you'd include?

reblog for a bigger sample size :)

[aronarchy]

thing i drafted in response to someone before i realized i’d misread their post. still want to keep it so just posting it here instead. also put out some useful things i remembering wanting to b able 2 reference a while ago but never got to it properly @ the time

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directed, roughly, @ people in “cluster B abuse” discussions who on the surface seem open to our suggestions of picking a different name for their subcategories of abuse-types, but when interrogated still hold the same underlying beliefs (that the cause of the abuse is some neuro/mental function, some internal trait(s)/thoughts/feelings, even if it doesn’t carry the name “npd” or “aspd” or “bpd” or “hpd”). especially those who utilize this to claim they are only going after abusers with “narcissism the Internal Personality Trait (but not in a disorder-way) [still in a bullshit pop-psychology way],” as opposed to “actual narcissistic personality disorder the Actual Mental Illness.” synthesis of various frustrating convos i’ve had over the past few years.

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the problem is that you are trying to categorize types of abuse based on what Type Of Person the abuser Fundamentally “Is” in the first place, i.e. trying to draw lines based on neurotype, or any other internal trait. there is no utility to labelings of abuse as “narcissistic” (or “sociopathic,” or “borderline,” or “autistic,” or “depressive,” or “[insert other identity trait here]”), apart from utility to abusers and oppressors who wish to uphold systems of oppression so that they can more easily get away with abuse, claiming their personal lack of marginalized traits as absolution, and our marginalizations as guilt markers.

the difference between abuse a neurodivergent or mentally ill person perpetrates and abuse a neurotypical mentally healthy person perpetrates is that ND/MI people also experience systematic violence and abuse from an ableist, saneist society and relative disadvantages, so that on average (in total) they would be significantly less likely to abuse or be able to abuse, and if they do happen to abuse it will usually be of someone with less social power than themself, i.e. other ND/MI people with further vulnerabilities, and they will still have a harder time getting away with it, because of the relative lack of power compared to an NT/mentally healthy person i.e. targeting from psychiatry, restrictions of autonomy, demonization. this is hyper-specific, not particularly helpful when making first broad categorizations, and obviously not what any of you are looking for when asking these.

the ones usually recommended right now for broad sweeping categories are the general names denoting what the abuse itself looks like: i.e. physical abuse, sexual abuse, vs purely emotional/psychological abuse. different abuses with different cause: abuse via direct state authoritarian power (i.e. police brutality, prison), vs abuse via smaller offshoots of it (when individual bosses or landlords weaponize their power over you, or other capitalists, etc). or specific institutions & their resulting power differentials (parental abuse: “this abuse was caused by the institution of the nuclear family”; psych abuse: “this abuse was caused by the institution of psychiatry,” etc). can even specify types of beliefs which motivated the abuser (i.e. “this abuser abused bc of his misogynistic beliefs,” “that abuser abused because of their ableist beliefs,” etc). or that the abuse happened on a smaller scale than the total overwhelming violence of things more like the above, more a 1:1/interpersonal type thing, and stopping it requires more of certain community processes than, i.e., direct violence.

different types of abuse have different causes! for example, many approximate “forms” of sexual abuse today are caused by the phenomenon known as “rape culture,” whereas many forms of nonsexual physical abuse today would be caused by other cultural influences, a slightly more general belief in consent violations and overriding bodily autonomy/boundaries. but it’s important to note that these, while different on the surface, are still at their core the same phenomenon (entitlement, power/control, authoritarian structures, widespread hierarchical beliefs) just taking different specific forms.

different types of abuse often need to be dealt with differently! for example, i’m sure it’s obvious that abuse from [entity who has total legal & economic power over you which is near-impossible to challenge at all] requires fairly different interventions than abuse from [entity much closer in power to you]. also note that nowhere in the above is there any such “well we need phrenology to figure out what exactly is wrong with the abuser’s brain so we know whether to lock them in a psych ward or a prison cell or just kill them to fix them problem,” these are obviously not reliable measures bc many people of varying neurotypes will commit the same abusive acts influenced by the same belief systems enabled by the same structural factors and while of course everyone’s brain type will alter the nuances of how & why they do things so does every other different trait they have and singling out mental illness is very disingenuous & ableist.

your plan for “stopping abuse” should not be “identifying people by the Type Of Brain they have so we can lock them up (or forcibly therapize them or whatever ‘softer’ equivalent you’d prefer) in advance.”