#steven sees a ghost

[girlgenius12]

can’t explain how absolutely perfect the title of the first episode of haunting of hill house is. “Steven sees a ghost”

ohhh my goddd!!!!!!

it’s perfection cannot be understood fully until you have seen the show but wow it’s so simple and perfect and it’s stuck in my head

[bluedawnflower]

i unsubbed from Watcher today but the people acting like steven lim is the devil and is singularly to blame for Watcher shifting to paywalled streaming are weirdos.

[sgt-dignam]

FROM 3.01 - Shatter

[shaniacsboogara]

my favourite band

[personallbest]

THE HAUNTING OF HILL HOUSE

1.01 "Steven Sees a Ghost"

[shhhhimwatchingthis]

Watcher truly burnt through their audience's good will and tainted their brand with that 'goodbye YouTube' thing. We know this, obviously, the immediate aftermath was swift and unanimously negative. But wow, are the effects still being seen.

I just found out the new ghost files season premiered two days ago and I have seen no one talking about it on this site.

Shane and Ryan visit a haunted site where a ghost named Big Dick Tom is known for sticking his finger in peoples butts and they on camera ask for their soft little holes to be fucked to prove the existence of ghosts

AND NOTHING

one of the spirit boxes says the word Knot and I have not seen a single meme about it. On the werewolf fucker site!

another spirit box tells them to beg and after a pause they in sync go yeah. OK. Sure. And crickets. On the kink site?

I dunno maybe they'll earn people's trust again, but it is Wild and kind of sad to see such clear decline in fan enthusiasm

audience decline can happen for loads of reasons, usually quality decay or cast/creative changes. People have noted they've been enjoying the watcher iteration of the show less than ye olde buzzfeed days but they were still watching anyway!

this their BIG IP. but its (comparatively) dead in the water.

the question is

who's watching watcher?

[kuixotic]

has anyone connected this, does anyone hear me

willpower of steel, fluidity of emotions, knowledge from the past, something like that

[mal-lay]

Why the hell are people whitewashing Steven Rudboys???

I look at fan arts and sometimes I just see Steven with light skin…

Respectfully, I’m not going to post other ppl’s art. U guys can look for urselfs. There is some art that make him with a light complexion.

[miniminijiminni]

I know everyone and their mother has given their opinion on the watcher situation, but as someone who is critical of this decision, I want to make it clear: no one is saying that they don't deserve to be paid a living wage. what people ARE saying is that there had to be a better way to do this.

if they truly needed money they could have:

promoted their patreon more

do a hybrid model where less "advertiser friendly" shows could be behind a paywall

release recordings of their live shows for money

advertised perks for joining youtube premium

be open and honest about needing money and asking for donations via gofundme or kickstarter or however they chose

there are people willing to spend money on them. The amount of patrons, the number of people who buy merch, and those who pay to go to live shows, should prove that. those who say otherwise are misunderstanding the situation, or maybe even purposefully misrepresenting it

[petoskeystones]

owen beattie & john torrington + oh god, where are you now? (in pickerel lake? pigeon? marquette? mackinaw?) by sufjan stevens

[toomanywatchers]

me to watcher: 💳💥💳💥💳💥💳💥💳💥💳

[raphlsnts]

Hearts Of Darkness: COME AND SEE

The End of the World is near.

Marc Spector, Francis Castiglione, Eric Brooks, and Johnaton Blaze are here to announce it.

[gravitywhatgravity]

I'm so baffled by the take that "we didn't need higher production value" from watcher purely because of puppet history

guys, puppet history was the spiritual successor to the hot daga and ruining history, two "shows" which were cancelled by buzzfeed because they were too expensive to make. and that was while Ryan and Shane were making one of their best performing shows

watcher has always explicitly been about higher production value not getting in the way of creativity. you mightve been okay with yellow and blue text on a black background, but watcher fans made puppet history one of their most iconic and successful shows

[shaniacsboogara]

my birthday dreams came true 🥺

[disappearinginq]

I’m so excited you like Steve Crain too! He’s been a favorite character of mine for years at this point, and doesn’t deserve the hate he gets.

It bothers me when people don’t recognize the responsibility that weighs on characters. They essentially lost both of their parents at the same time, and you know Steve had to be the one to step up.

This isn’t just applicable to Haunting of Hill House, of course. But I’ve noticed that fans vilify the characters that aren’t victimized as obviously / aren’t the main character.

Anyways, just wanted to share with a fellow Steve-enjoyed lol

New Bestie - same. I got into a very heated discussion about how if the Crain siblings are supposed to represent the 5 stages of grief, the fandom has Steve and Shirley switched around, because everyone says that Steve is Denial and Shirley is Bargaining.

Meanwhile, in the show, Steve spends his adult life going around not necessarily trying to debunk ghosts, but hoping that maybe this time, it will be ghosts, because then maybe his family will just be a different kind of crazy. He says his mom and his sister are sick, and they needed help. He reminds me more of Fox Mulder - the "I want to believe" vibe. But he also is in the unique position of seeing ghosts and not knowing about it. All of his ghosts are people with jobs, moving around the house like normal people. Everyone hears the dogs at night, not just him. He doesn't hear banging on the walls, he doesn't see creepy zombies in the basement, he doesn't have his future self freaking the hell out of him his entire life. He sees his mom - and as far as he's concerned (because this is a horror show, not supernatural, the world he occupies is the one we're in - no vampires and ghosts, etc, and that is Understood) it's just the mental illness that has gone through his whole family finally catching up with him. Anyone in this world who has a family member swear they're being stalked by a faceless ghost while they're high on drugs is going to come to same conclusion Steve does, which is that they're nuts. BUT - he looks for any signs that he is wrong. And I'm still mad that they cut out part of the first episode that has Steve refusing to write about his family anymore, no matter the price, while driving by an accident where he sees multiple people standing around, but when he turns away and the camera is the only one on the accident, you only see the firefighters/first responders.

Meanwhile, Shirley is 100% in denial about everything, including what her own ghosts were. In her House Nightmare at the end, she even denies what actually happened - in her version, she doesn't have an affair. The House actually calls her out on "But that's not what happened, is it?" When Steve is doing CPR on his dying brother, Shirley's first words are "This isn't real". She denies Luke from going to Nell's wedding. She denies that their mother had anything wrong with her, she's in denial that she's running her own business into the ground, she's in denial about the death of the kittens, she's in denial about ghosts too - even though she has much more explicit contact with them with the knocking, and with a witness both times (Theo). She's in denial about the night that they had to flee Hill House. Like if she says it often enough, then it will be true that her family is fine and nothing is wrong.

Sorry. Long rant. But I love this character and this show so much and no one ever wants to talk about it (except @amandagaelic, and she has listened to me for literally hours at this point). One of these days, I will actually finish the Haunting of Hill House fic I have, and it will be posted.

We might all be dead from old age, or so senile we don't even remember the source material, but I'll stipulate in my will that it has to be posted. :-D

AND YES - people have a weird habit of like...picking one character to defend and that's the end of it. No one else can do any right and that character can do no wrong. I see it in Yellowstone fandom a lot. Or in Marvel (the Steve/Tony argument made me leave it altogether). I don't know if it's because fandoms are now predominantly younger, louder/more obnoxious from the safety net of internet anonymity or what, but Seeing Things from Someone Else's Point of View seems to be a lost art in both media and reality.