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This person in Sideways' Discord server made this chart
[ID: A Star Wars viewing order alignment chart
Lawful good: release order Neutral good: chronological order Chaotic good: Chronological order with the Clone Wars Neutral good: Release order with Rogue One first True neutral: Chronological order with all TV shows Chaotic neutral: Machete order Lawful evil: Parallel order Neutral evil: Sequels first Chaotic evil: reversed order
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LET ME YELL ABOUT WHY I LOVED THIS MOMENT from Star Wars: From a Certain Point of View: Return of the Jedi | "Brotherhood". I have long argued that the "Jedi Code" is more of a meditation mantra, because almost every single time it comes up in supplementary material (it doesn't exist in the movies or TCW) it's used during a moment when a Jedi is trying to calm themselves down or meditate in the Force. And I have long argued that I don't think it's a literal guideline for how to live their lives, but instead a description of the Force. Because the prequels Jedi taught two different versions of the "Jedi Code": There is no emotion, there is peace. There is no ignorance, there is knowledge. There is no passion, there is serenity. There is no chaos, there is harmony. There is no death, there is the Force. Emotion, yet peace. Ignorance, yet knowledge. Passion, yet serenity. Chaos, yet harmony. Death, yet the Force. The second is from the Kanan comic, where Depa is leading a meditation with the younglings, while Obi-Wan and Mace and Yoda watch over them. So, if both of these versions are taught by the prequels Jedi, how can they both be applicable? Because they're not describing Jedi--they're describing the Force. They're describing what it's like to interact with the Force. That's why they use it as a meditation mantra! The Force itself has no emotion, it has no ignorance, it has peace. The Force has no passion, it has serenity. The Force has no chaos, it has harmony/ The Force has no death, it is the Force. Yet, when a Jedi interacts with it, they have emotion but they seek peace. They have ignorance yet they seek knowledge. They have passion yet they seek serenity. They have chaos yet they seek harmony. They have death yet they seek the Force, they become one with it when they die. Then this short story is about Anakin becoming one with the Force when he dies-- A warmth without temperature. An embrace without touch. A belonging despite isolation. A quiet that revealed. It's so evocative of the Jedi's description of the way they interact with the Force via the "Jedi Code"! It's the Force versus what you're bringing to the Force, it's about what a Jedi seeks in the Force--Anakin has no temperature, but he seeks warmth. Anakin has no touch, but he seeks an embrace. Anakin has isolation, but he seeks belonging. There is quiet in the Force. This is what the Force is, this is how the Jedi interact with it, they bring their own experiences to it and work to shed those things to find what they need in the Force, this is why the "Jedi Code" is structured the way it is and Anakin experiences that exact same thing when he steps into it. And I am legit emotional because I think of how much comfort and warmth and clarity the Force can bring when you let it move through you, when you let it embrace you, rather than trying to dominate it.
#lumi.txt#star wars#anakin skywalker#jedi order#jedi code#meta#novels#novels: from a certain point of view: return of the jedi
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Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order | Zeffo
#my screenshots#Zeffo is my favourite planet#(despite it being a maze)#nothing compares to the awe of walking round the corner and seeing that view for the first time#jedi fallen order#Jedi fallen order photomode#star wars jedi fallen order#zeffo#photomode
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Fives: "There's a lot you don't know about clones. No one knows."
Driver: "Oooh, very mysterious. I like a good mystery."
Fives:
"You ever hear the one about the people engineered to kill?"
"Engineered to kill their best friends?"
"Their leaders?"
"And they don't even know it?"
#the tragedy of the clones#order 66#star wars#star wars the clone wars#arc trooper fives#interesting thing is palpatine managed to orchestrate things so it could be said the jedi did commit treason against the republic#from a certain point of view#but that doesn't change the fact that he took away the clones' agency#because any of them asking for a solid reason for the order would have foiled his plans
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whenever ppl try to come up with some version of 'romance and love isn't forbidden by the jedi, on this one novel-'
i'm just...
#star wars#jedi order#jedi critical#sorry no that makes no sense with what's presented through most of the canon#'but it was in this one novel' then that novel it's trying to retcon it or to twist the in-between lines because it doesnt make sense#the belief that the jedi only forbid romance if it's possesive or stops someone from caring about others it's a lovely pink-tinted view#but it doesn't work with canon and the only thing that it accomplishes is attempting to to give anakin a different narrative#which is 'anakin was actually just too stupid too understand what the jedi's teaching meant'#and yes you can make an argument that anakin didn't understand all of the jedi teachings but not in the way this idea proposes#it's actually ridiculous#'anakin why you kept this secret didn't you know romance it's actually allowed by the jedi? we all have our crushes and partners lol'#'you silly the only thing we forbid it's becoming toxic and possesive'#headcanoing or making aus or fics with the jedi as this#big happy hippie family full of pacifists that try to destroy the pillars of traditional conservative nuclear families in pro of free love#it's fine like go ahead headcanon that and make aus of that but when someone comes to try to argue that no it's in fact very canon#it's just...what like come on#EVEN OBIWAN the picture perfect child for most jedi fans said he would've had to leave the order to be with satine aka IT IS FORBIDDEN#i'm going insane or what they told a 9 y/o that missing his mom was path to the dark side but no no they're FINE with romance#how could we miss Yoda's three romantic partners and Mace's being a swinger and also Shaak's polycule Anakin you're just stupid#(he is stupid but not like this lfmao)#fandom stuff#ranting#AND TO BE CLEAR no this isn't an argument about traditional nuclear conservative families or some bullshit being needed#this is me saying the jedi in canon are pretty fairly conservative as it is sorry but they're basically the knight templars with powers#and orientalism in the form of buddhism as a white american man (GL) understood it (badly)
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#indigenous tag#pro sith#jedi critical#star wars tag#star wars meta#anti george lucas#george lucas critical#renew the acolyte#indigenous pro sith#indigenous jedi critical#sith defensive#sith adjacent#star wars is built on opposing viewpoints interpretations and perspectives#learn to take opposing views for once you weirdos#order 66 was not a genocide#the jedi were catholic fucking psychos and whoever told you different plain ol’ lied#anti jedi#the acolyte#fuck the jedi#star wars
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Pro Jedi in that I'm pro Jedi being little freaks who fuck up big-time
#yes this is about the acolyte discourse#but for reals if i wanted compltely pure jedi with zero nuance id go to fanfic i guess#but like why would i want that#im as sick of the 'the jedi deserved it' rhetoric as the next asshole#but demanding all star wars engage with the jedi in the most boring way possible is not the way babes#the high republic is one of my favorite eras because there are so many jedi with fascinating views on the order#i dont understand people who insist that the high republic jedi are like flawless author ocs???#the authors clearly love their characters but those dinguses FUCK UP! a LOT!!!#and thats exciting#anyway might delete later if anyone actually sees this post#the high republic#star wars high republic#the acolyte#star wars the acolyte
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I recognize that this mostly happens because Obi-Wan is and always has been a direct foil for Anakin, but I am SO tired of all of Obi-Wan's more canon love interests ending up being more about making commentary on Anakin and Anidala than they are on exploring OBI-WAN. It's just sad and I'm so tired of it and I think that until people are willing to write a romance for Obi-Wan that isn't actually about Anakin at all, Obi-Wan should just be made off-limits for romance plot lines entirely. Leave the man alone, please, I am begging you.
#star wars#obi-wan kenobi#i just finished reading the first half of secrets of the jedi with the siriwan relationship#and holy mother of god was it anidala coded all to hell and back#obi-wan is turned into a mighty prude and siri into this sweet motherly character just to make it work#everything from the reaction obi-wan has on seeing her at the beginning to how quickly the relationship moves to the secrecy#it's all anidala#it's all ABOUT anidala#obi-wan is so ooc in this that it's not even funny#he's not even in character to previous works written about him BY THE SAME AUTHOR#and yet somehow it is STILL miles better than whatever the fuck obitine was supposed to be#where obi-wan is given a love interest specifically designed to be killed off so that they could compare that to anidala#and honestly the scene where she dies is probably their ONLY good scene together#it's certainly the only scene where they seem to genuinely understand or even LIKE each other#like siriwan has obi-wan acting ooc but at least he's not literally misogynistic towards his love interest#unlike the way tcw chose to write him#like yeah sure i really feel the romance in obi-wan calling satine 'hysterical' over her perfectly reasonable political views#and at least siri respects and understands the jedi life and LOVES the jedi order unlike satine#so despite how frustrating siriwan is - obitine is 10x worse still#it makes me SO so glad that tala ended up losing the romantic aspect of her relationship with obi-wan#because you KNOW that that would've just ended up another anidala parallel#again#as obi-wan loses yet another female love interest to death at the hands of the sith. again.#honestly tala's relationship with obi-wan is IMPROVED by the lack of a romantic love interest#there's a lot of interesting meaning in that relationship that i honestly believe would be lost if it had been romantic#obi-wan and love interests just don't seem to mix well in canon or anything canon-adjacent#free my man from terrible romantic storylines that aren't even about him#obitine critical#siriwan critical#anti obitine
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i really do think the systematic execution of the jedi has kinda sorta ruined all future star wars media for in the sense that i am always going to be thinking about the space empath monks who were genocided. there used to be thousands of them and now there's like. 7. functionally an entire culture dead. they can show me all the grogus in the world, im always going to think about how they had to step over the dead babies.
#:v#star wars#order 66#im glad Anakin got redeemed in the end and got to go to space monk heaven but also THEY HAD TO STEP OVER DEAD BABIES#😭😭😭#this fictional space opera for twelve year olds devistates me#reva also kinda changes how I viewed order 66#like it was always a bad horrible thing right but seeing it from the kids perspective.#Anakin was killing babies dude.#ugh Anakin my perfect horrible man#the thing is if obi wan or padme had been there they obviously could have talked him down#but they couldn't have been there#Anakin is the perfect you can't save him until it's too late#like yeah Luke was able to get through to him!#AFTER HE HAD BLOWN UP A PLANET!#they couldn't have saved him! padme and obi-wan I am holding you so so dear you did everything you could#Anakin I'm holding you but it's in a different way. a complicated way#love you as a character. you make me physically ill
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nothing is funnier to me than anti-anakin fans who posit him as this great, inhumane thing that derives pleasure in murder and drinking the blood of the dead children he cut up. vader's evil is like the blandest shit in existence, and he's a lot more scarier in that view.
#star wars#starwars#anakin skywalker#sw#sw prequels#prequel trilogy#sw fandom#darth vader#jedi#the jedi#the jedi order#i'm just saying#you people have zero appreciation for banal evil#vader is the perfect example of the brutality caused by fucking middle management and apathetic behavior#do you know how many people are complicit in genocide and human rights abuses through their jobs#when you view genocide as part of the job description and you aren't personally doing anything it's pretty easy to justify yourself#and that's pretty much what vader did#vader derived no pleasure from murder and i like him that way
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star wars fans when a show doesn't lick the jedi's boots a new shine: 🤯
star wars fans when a show doesn't beat the shit out of the jedi with lead pipes: 🤯
#star wars#star wars discourse#the acolyte#jedi order#the jedi are good and order 66 was not deserved#the jedi also did some admittedly shady shit#these two views can coexist#1000 years of Sith machinations will do that to you!!
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"Because the Jedi were like stars. I've never seen a star, but I've been told they're out there. No matter how dark my night gets, they're still there, burning, making someone's way lighter. That's why I did it... because it's what a Jedi would do." THE JEDI WERE LIKE STARS. NO MATTER HOW DARK THE NIGHT GETS, THEY'RE STILL THERE, BURNING, LIGHTING THE WAY. COOL, OKAY, I'M GONNA GO FLING MYSELF INTO THE OCEAN AND SINK INTO THE DEPTHS BECAUSE I'M TOO EMOTIONAL FOR THIS. (Star Wars: From a Certain Point of View: Return of the Jedi: "The Veteran")
#lumi.txt#star wars#dexter jettster#jedi order#meta#novels#novels: from a certain point of view: return of the jedi
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I believe that D9 is sentient.
Sidious is already recorded as deliberately programming the battle droids to feel pain. I believe he does acknowledge droid sentience and fosters it, if only to sadistically torture the creature. In fact, one could say his greatest little droid box that he likes to torment is his prized final apprentice.
Now, despite the fact that droid sentience is relatively canon, Star Wars has a bad habit of also believing that the droids are disposable. Maul as well. He is a monster in the little kids show, and that makes him by default a non-entity.
If she is sentient, then they can both be characters on that knife's edge; treated by all as if they are a thing, because the sanctity of their personhood is offered to the viewer as negotiable.
#d9#maul#sidious#The Wrath of Darth Maul#notes & quotes#maul is a droid#droid sentience is a fascinating little subject in star wars#i firmly believe it exists#and importantly.#I think the Jedi do not believe in it#but the Sith do.#for a sith the droid is a magnificent creation#a being of defiant willpower that exists outside of the Jedi's dogmatic view of the living force#and it is the most perfectly crafted slave#a being where you can type undefiable orders into its head#and it has the capacity to understand the cruelty of your domination#but is stripped of the capacity to resist#star wars#my hcs
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gotta take a controversial stance here and say that "anti-Jedi sentiment is inherently racist because it was partially based on Buddhism" is a wild thing to assert in light of the fact that the Jedi as an order has notable, systemic problems with handling difficult children, relationships, negative emotions, attempts at oversight, and practitioners of other Force religions.
and also that they're fictional and were invented by a white guy who wasn't even Buddhist himself.
#we spent the whole of our The Acolyte watch viewing the Jedi through a deconstruction lens#I'm not feeling particularly charitable to people asserting that a fictiona higher-control group#of people who notably walk around armed#are The Best The Greatest And Untouchable solely because it's nostalgic for them and is connected to a real Minority (in the west) Religion#sw#love whatever Luke is doing at the end of Return of the Jedi though THAT I can get down with#and my partner's been reading some distant-past legends books and likes that interpretation of the original order#unrebloggable for obvious reasons#I LOVE star wars. I love it. but I have always been more interested#in the regular people#the bounty hunters#and the Jedi revival
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Quality Pain - watching ROTS and then Rogue One
I received this years ago but missed it somehow, and was just going through asks today—but my best friend and I actually did this last year and going from the end of ROTS (my favorite, for a Suffering value of favorite, part of the PT) through RO was extremely quality pain. I was like, "okay but now we have to watch Return of the Jedi."
#anon replies#respuestas#star wars#maybe more painful bc rots -> ro is a very natural movie viewing order!#but damn rotj was rewarding by the time it came around#de las bóvedas
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Part One/Two:
"Look, you and I may hate it, and you may not want to hear it, but what Rian Johnson did with Luke in Episode VIII did to a large extent make sense of what J.J. set up in VII, despite that it may not fit with the Luke from the Original Trilogy."
#soooo did Johnson actually ''subvert'' anything?#the rise of the first order. her sister becoming a leader of the resistance and being desperate. multiple planets getting destroyed#han solo dies. and luke stayed on his island#star wars#abrams' views re: VIII pre-backlash are different post-backlash#disney star wars
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