#star trek picard season 3 spoilers

[curator-on-ao3]

Me, if I were in the Picard writers’ room:

Definitely, the “Data fights Lore with memory trophies” concept could work, so I was thinking —

<interrupted, so I try again>

Okay, yes, Brent is amazing and using Spot sure is a smart idea. We’ll want to have she/him pronouns for Spot, of course. Also, cat-daddying is important. But in terms of teaching Data about love, when we consider Lal —

<interrupted so I try again>

Yeah, wow, I’m sure that poster you had of Brent on your childhood bedroom wall *was* great. In terms of Lal, though, we know Data has her memories, and some of her last lines in TNG are actually: “I love you, Father,” and, “I will feel it for both of us.” So, with progeny being sort of a theme this season, I was thinking —

<interrupted so I try again>

Yes, I’m sure Brent will autograph your poster once your mom finds it. So, in terms of Lal —

<interrupted>

A ballpoint pen should be fine, but if you want him to sign it with a Sharpie, you could always bring one. About Lal, though —

<interrupted>

Ha-ha! Yeah, poster framing sure can be expensive. So, about Lal, I —

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I —

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Right! So in terms of kids and their parents and not throwing away important things whether they’re posters or TNG spec scripts or memory trophies, I thought Lal could —

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[rosalie-starfall]

Me Since the First Episode...

[landfilloftrash]

just fucking scared myself but sudden thought on “what if the final episode is '...must come to an end'” DON’T

[dax-micro]

Star Trek Picard S3E02

So, I just finished watching the episode and I have a few things to say. Spoilers obviously.

The dialogue of the episode and the previous one, lets people believe that “Jack Crusher” was born after they last saw Beverly, 20 years ago. Which is not something I buy.

The actor playing Jack Crusher is Ed Speleers, he was born in 1988, so that makes him 35. I know it’s usual to see people playing younger or older characters from how old they really are, but Jack Crusher does NOT look like a 20 years old (or younger) young adult. He DOES look like a 30 something though.

Now, if you take into account that Season 3 of Picard is taking place in 2401, and agree with me that Jack Crusher is around 35 years old like his actor. Well then that put his birth at 2366... aka the year that Beverly returned as Chief Medical Officer of the Enterprise-D after around one year of absence to be Head of Starfleet Medical. So for me it’s simple. Beverly and Jean-Luc had rekindled their relationship during the first season of TNG, Beverly got pregnant despite what are (probably) some very advanced method of prevention, got afraid of how Jean-Luc might react, made sure to transfer out of the ship for the rest of the pregnancy and she then hid the child for the rest of her assignment to the Enterprise. I wonder if she even told Wesley before he left with the Traveler.

Also, why didn’t anyone think about testing Jack’s DNA? I mean maybe on Eleos they couldn’t, but once aboard the Titan it should have been a matter of seconds to determine if he was telling the truth about who is mother was. But no, instead we had to wait for a knowing look between Beverly and Jean-Luc to have confirmation that he was indeed her son and he was also his son. This could have been resolved in minutes.

[curator-on-ao3]

This, and @queen-of-love-and-beauty’s excellent tags:

i need beverly and seven to have a conversation about starfleet vs not starfleet.

seven’s only had janeway and picard telling her that starfleet is her place, but these people ARE starfleet. i feel like beverly, as someone who has left starfleet yet continued to help people outside of it, could be a great sounding board for seven.

i also just need more women interacting with women.

[cannibalspicnic]

[bevcrushes]

no one: me: actually it makes perfect sense that beverly would say "maybe we should be afraid" at the end of attached because when they were confessing things around the fire, jean-luc clearly said that while he had feelings for her and he worried about how he'd handle having her on the enterprise, he'd eventually realized he didn't have them anymore. now, maybe he was fucking lying to avoid her rejection and he never stopped loving her, but in any case, he did tell her that he wasn't in love with her anymore. and maybe her responding with "and now we're friends ◡̈" was partly because she didn't know what to do with this revelation. you can hear her working things out as he's telling her all this and it had to have been a lot to process. it's not like she came out and said "yes i always loved you too even when jack was alive" or even "yes i love you right now" so by the time they got through everything and realized how much they enjoyed the intimacy they'd shared, it was really quite a pivot for jean-luc to be like "WELL ACTUALLY i do love you and think we should explore this" ???? like he just made a show of being like "i'm over it" and now he's like "jk i am hella not over it" like sir please give her some time to process. i've watched that end scene 151068 times and i think i've always missed what she's really saiyng. my shipper heart has always focused on her rejection of him. i've always seen it as rejection because that seems to be how HE saw it or what it felt like. but i don't think that was what she meant by it. i don't think she meant "no we shouldn't do this" i think she meant exactly what she said - we should be afraid of it. we should be afraid and...do it anyway. she does get up and leave, yes, but i don't think it's because she wants to cut him off and close him out. i think she just recognized that after being so connected, so literally in each other's heads, they need space. and the point of that space isn't to rebuild walls to keep each other out, it's to reinforce the safety of the new space they're now in together. so, i don't think she was ever rejecting him or saying they should not explore their feelings. i think she just had more perspective and realism, and, in many ways, it foreshadows what's to come and how it does end for them. if you take attached in the context of what happens in picard, what transpires in the 20 years when she leaves and goes off and has jack without telling him, and you think back to this conversation, it really hits different. because you realize that while it always felt like jean-luc was the one who didn't admit he loved her for so long, he wasn't the one to pull back and say "on second thought maybe not." beverly was the careful one, she was the one who had doubt, she was the one who was thinking, "will this ruin everything? is it worth the risk?" and i think that makes her decisions later so much more interesting and complex and, in a lot of ways, more in character and even reasonable than they seemed at first. it's consistent with this sense that she really knew jean-luc a lot better than he knew her—or himself. and that it wasn't that she had conditions for loving him or being loved by him; she just always saw him as a human when he was trying to be a hero.

[regionalpancake]

Star Trek: Picard Season 3 is 99.9% Saffi free and I will die mad about it

[star-trek-fandom-confessions]

#320

"having just finished a rewatch of Deep Space 9, I’m irritated all over again with Picard season 3. They lift the Changelings and (imo) use red eyes as a red-herring implying Pah-Wraiths, Worf comes back (!) and not a single other DS9 character is mentioned let alone someone brought back?? Not even a cursory “if there was more time, I’d reach out to Doctor Bashir” or “it’s a shame Odo is incommunicado [for reasons]” or “I was reading Captain Sisko’s logs” just something! Drove me absolutely batty. Not to say Trek properties can’t use villains/species from other properties, etc, heck, DS9 was basically built off doing just that. But Picard s3 was a nostalgia fest for the 90s shows — except DS9, and I am petty enough to say it felt deliberate.

I will say though that the number of times Janeway was mentioned, I fully expected we’d see her, if only very briefly, and then we just… didn’t and that was also weird. The season was a mess."

[elephant-in-the-pride-parade]

Am really... hating Picard's implication that Janeway is simultaneously: A. so powerful within Starfleet that everyone thinks she, more than any other admiral, is the best path to solving the changeling conspiracy and B. is helpless and ineffective on account of all her "gatekeepers" being turned into changling dopplegangers under her nose.

She is the queen of high risk, high reward decision making and she's sharp as a tack. Does the narrative really expect me to believe she could miss that her Vulcan best friend, whom she's close enough to have mind melded with, was turned? And that she wouldnt be in the backround fighting her own battles with these sabateurs? And that she has some how not once tried to comm Seven of Nine on a back channel in seven episodes.

It feels like name dropping her for fanservice just to have the narrative rob her of all her close relationships and her agency.

[curator-on-ao3]

Well, that was a thing that happened.

Sooooo … which TNG crewmembers are we thinking might say “fuck” in season 3 of Picard?

[landfilloftrash]

me after that episode /lh

First of all. My main point of all that; Do not erase Lore. Do noootttt. I am grabbing them all by the shoulders. Do NOT erase Lore. Do Not. Do not murder him for being too ‘difficult’ to handle, I am staring into their eyes. Aside from relating to his anger/issues he is a favorite of mine. Do not kill him. Do not keep KILLING my FAVORITES. I don’t care if he causes problems on purpose because he likes the chaos, DON’T KILL HIM???

And I think Vadic deserves to dismantle the Federation a little bit. As a treat. (<- a sucker for creatures/people destroying the foundation that hurt them, even if we’re meant to sympathize w/ said organization as the “good guys”)

but man. I’m very happy the chaos gremlins are causing problems on purpose but I’m just. what in the hell is happening with Jack-- we’ve got telepathy now? Bodily co-control with people with absolutely no link to The Great Link? Hivemind indeed but WHICH hivemind because sir I don’t think that’s Changelings. ...it’d be really funny if it actually WAS an evolution in the human’s biology, since Q chose Picard to be the exemplar of humanity, that humanity has slightly evolved through his son-- obviously I don’t 100% think that’s what’s happening but it’d be interesting/funny. I am grabbing the writers room and shaking it.

side note; I rreeeeeeaally hope the theory floating around about Kirk somehow coming back is wrong— honestly I interpreted the references (after I finished that episode) was “yeah they just have his corpse” like they did Picard’s. Y’know. Like a normal intelligence/assassin guild within the beast that is the Federation. A completely normal thing. (<- really has not gotten over the fact they were just keeping Picard’s corpse there)

 I feel like I should add that—

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***WARNING: PICARD SPOILERS BELOW***

Terry Matalas did an AMA on Reddit and --

Terry Matalas . . .

Terry what exactly are you trying to do to me right now on this day of our Lordt?

[departmentq]

Even knowing it takes place beforehand, but with Tendi and Rutherford's technical and scientific skills, combined with Boimler and Mariner's knowledge of Starfleet history and paranoia, the ensigns would have figured out the Dominion/Borg's plot by the 20 minute mark.

(Sincerely hoping that Picard S3 gets skewered in an episode of Lower Decks.)

(sincerely praying that Todd Stashwick also lends his voice in a future episode of Lower Decks, as “some dipshit from Chicago”)

[dodgermd]

Okay, but Geordi getting himself a wreck and rebuilding his fav shiney retro vehicle from his youth in his little private garage in his sparetime is the biggest dad move EVAH!

[stra-tek]

U.S.S. Voyager NCC-74656-B, imported from Star Trek Online to Star Trek: Picard season 3. Via Enethrin on Deviantart

Presumably, the Voyager-A will feature in season 2 of Star Trek: Prodigy