#spoilers for wicked act 2

[jediclaire]

Why Boq's situation proves Morrible is wrong

Morrible was lying about spells from the Grimmeire being permanent. Or just mistaken. And I know this because of Boq.

You might not be able to cancel a spell once it has been casted, and the spells themselves might not stop, but you could always cast another spell to cause a different effect.

Such as Boq in act 2, Nessa's spell to take his heart was going to kill him. The spells effect was going to kill him, so Elphaba, not having much time, used a different spell to turn him into something that could survive not having a heart.

So Fiyero was turned into a Scarecrow, that doesn't mean that Elphaba couldn't find a different spell to change him back into a human.

[cocomuffy]

Okay, here's my opinion on the wicked love triangle. I'm planning out something Wicked-Themed and decided that I should show my opinions: Disclaimer: These are just my opinions. They do not have to mean anything to you.

SPOILERS FOR WICKED ACT 2 (everything the first movie doesn't cover)

Gliyero

Doomed. I do think that at some point they get together in a lot of circumstances/universes. They're similar in external nature and they're both in positions of social power.

However, there's a fundamental difference with Glinda and Fiyero that will always drive a wedge between them. Glinda wants to take life safer than Fiyero does. Fiyero will always have that force within him that will drive him toward his goals, even if it breaks that status quo. Glinda does not. It drove them apart in the musical and it's too big of a difference to not affect relationships in other continuities.

Fiyeraba

I think that there are some roads where they are in a relationship and one where they just develop a strong friendship. This is a weird take, and please listen to the whole thing, but I don't like Fiyeraba in the context of Wicked. Isolated? I love their banter and the journey they go on. Specifically around the events in Wicked? I mean, I'll take it, it isn't *bad*, but it's not my favorite. It's like one of those foods that you have to eat slowly in order to eat the whole thing. Depending on how much they go through together, I think that they could either just be friends or be lovers. Like the version we see in Wicked with the Lion Cub is a major excercise in trust, and I'm sure that not ever Fiyeraba pairing got to do something that big. Something like maybe a class project would put them into a lifelong friendship. Either way, I think that they end up in each other's lives as someone that would always have their back.

Gelphie

I think that Gelphie is real in other timelines. I think that if Glinda had more time to be around Elphaba and grow, that Gelphie would be a full thing out-and-proud. In the current story of Wicked, the thing that holds Gelphie back is Glinda's sense of caution and her reluctance to leave behind the pampering and the social status which she has. During Act 2 when her and Fiyero talk about her, she says that she can't just "stop living" because of Elphaba's disappearance. But this is what makes them so good for each other, is that they learn something from one another. Elphaba imprints a backbone from Glinda. Glinda imprints on Elphaba's confidence. So I think that, with more time, Gelphie can be fully canon to at least one continuity. I think that there are also plenty where they are just good friends though.

TLDR Gliyero is a no-no. Fiyeraba is a yes but could also be just really good friends. Gelphie is a yes but they could also just be really good friends.

[moghedien]

imagine you go to a school where everyone fawns over this one girl who is like this preppy little air head who's hyper focused on her appearance and her social standing who just all of a sudden starts getting really attached to her goth roommate who does really good academically, to the point where the goth girl gets invited to go meet the president and discuss a future career in the government.

and on the day the goth roommate is leaving, the preppy popular girl has a public falling out with her boyfriend, announces to everyone she's changing her name in solidarity with her teacher who was arrested for being a radical, jumps a train heading to the capital without telling anyone she's even leaving, and then the next thing you hear about her is that she's a political prisoner being held by the secret service and her goth roommate is the most wanted fugitive in the country and is on the lam

[myfairkatiecat]

So on the way to meet the wizard, we have:

The scarecrow (the wicked witch of the west’s boyfriend)

The Tin Man (wicked witch of the east’s ex boyfriend)

The Lion (bonded to a the wicked witch of the west and the scarecrow as a kid when they rescued him and then got abandoned by them and lives his life in fear of being caged again)

and Dorothy, who just wants to go home and has NONE OF THE LORE

[shinyruby]

The biggest tragedy of splitting Wicked up into two parts is knowing how disappointed the Gliyero shippers will be in part 2.

I’ve seen shippers post pictures of Glinda and Fiyero, and being like, “Oh, I want what they have.”

Trust me though, you don’t. The only thing they have is feelings for another woman.

[lily-onher-grave]

I’m fucking dying about the Elphaba’s promise scene holy fuck. You could’ve posted this shit on fanfiction dot net back in the day and it would’ve fit right in

“You could’ve picked me” holds so much weight I almost feel like they had to cut it just so it doesn’t seem like Glinda slides backwards in character growth at the train station scene. But I love it so much because yes she’s jealous of Elphie and Fiyero yes she’s hurt she was left behind (foreshadowinggggg) but also this is her vocally and intentionally picking Elphaba right back. It feels as significant as Glinda telling Elphie it was the milkflowers’ fault, not hers. And it’s so freaking delicious because we as an audience know that it’s also not 100% true. Glinda means it here, and she wants Elphaba to choose her, and she would choose Elphaba, but soon that choice will come with too many consequences for both of them, and they won’t be able to choose each other anymore, no matter what promised they made or how much they want to

AND Elphaba promising not to leave Glinda behind again?? Excuse me???? “I won’t leave you behind” then proceeds to bring her to the emerald city, to the wizard’s palace, on a daring but doomed hot air balloon escape, etc etc. Elphaba promised not to leave her behind and then she kept her at her side until Glinda stepped away

And all this of course makes Glinda’s part in defying gravity so much richer, because she’s silently begging Elphaba to choose her, to listen to her, to stay and make this work from the inside. But she doesn’t. And when Elphaba keeps her promise, asks her to come so she doesn’t leave her behind again, Glinda can’t go

(And don’t EVEN talk to me about all the times Elphaba starts breaking that promise in act 2)

Also I feel like the “maybe magic is hard for you because you’ve always had it easy, you’ve never needed it” conversation is either supposed to come in play again in act 2 or it’s just foreshadowing to the passing of the grimmerie but either way I have feelings about it. I kinda wonder if the first half of this scene was supposed to be a lot meaner/pettier, but Cynthia and Ariana kept playing it soft and earnest instead. Either way I’m thinking about post-musical Glinda finally getting her magic to click because elphaba’s gone and the nation is looking to her and nothing is easy anymore, so she needs it more than ever

[therealmojodojocasahouse]

SPOILERS FOR WICKED ACT 2

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I can't even be mad, I hate Boq with a burning passion.

[shrinkthisviolet]

…why are people acting like “it’s not lying, it’s looking at things another way” is a backhanded compliment?? It’s very obviously not.

When Fiyero says that, he means that he sees the beauty in Elphaba that many others don’t—that just because she’s not “conventionally” beautiful like G(a)linda doesn’t make her ugly, far from it. It’s like something he says in Act 1: “You’ve been Galindafied. You don’t need to do that, you know?” He loves her for who she is, he thinks she’s beautiful just as she is!

It’s also the same line Elphaba echoes to him when he turns into the Scarecrow. It’s a loving sentiment, not a backhanded one—y’all are just taking the line out of context

[presidentofspace]

Hot take: the reason Glinda is so absolutely crushed in Act 2 when Fiyero leaves is less because she’s in love with him and more because it’s an entirely too familiar reminder of Elphaba leaving her (and Glinda not being brave enough to follow).

Glinda in “Thank Goodness” is Fiyero in “Dancing Through Life”— someone who’s consciously choosing the smooth, privileged, faux-ignorant path because it’s much less risky than actually acknowledging you care. Fiyero tries to play the part with Glinda a little while longer, but he can’t keep it up.

Because he doesn’t want it—he can’t want it—anymore. ;)

When Fiyero leaves with Elphaba, it’s a reminder of what Glinda couldn’t do. What she still can’t do. It’s got to feel like the moment in the attic all over again.

[seraphimankh]

Our Scarecrow

[chasingwhitebunnies]

What I love about Fiyero as the Scarecrow and not really being against Elphaba is his choice of asking the Wizard for a brain. He was like, “I need a reason to join up with this kid to make sure Elph’s okay. What can I say I need?? Oh! A brain. That’s great. That makes sense.”

[trobedgirldads]

noooo fiyero you’re so cool! plz don’t get crucified in act 2!!

[venjamin-kingdomhearts]

i can imagine that when they first meet on the yellow brick road and dont know each other, Boq wouldn't be concerned about "the Scarecrow" losing straw. just assumes its normal for living scarecrows and figures the guy doesn't seem bothered. but after the two of them figure out who each other are (no matter how poorly that conversation goes) Boq would see Scarecrow loose a bit of straw and immediately goes "FIYERO. FIYERO ARE YOU OKAY." totally forgetting how easily he's walked it off the past days of traveling. Fiyero has to go into damage control mode and assure Boq He's Fine because he does NOT want to deal with Boq rusting himself again.

[moghedien]

So after talking about No One Mourns the Wicked so much last night, I legit can’t wait to see what the movie does with Thank Goodness

Like Glinda having to stand in front of all of Oz and explain how happy she is while also being like “let’s talk about me actually” every time Elphaba gets brought up, because she clearly doesn’t want to have to listen to people talk about Elphaba like that but also it’s increasingly clear that the person she is to all of Oz only exists in the context of being the good to Elphaba’s bad and its impossible for her to escape that and actually she’s miserable and knows it and also these lines are legit one of my favorite parts of the show

Like I wanna see Ari’s Glinda in full propaganda mode and hating it but also I’m so curious about how much they’re gonna lean into the Wizard/Morrible grooming Glinda into being this figurehead versus how much Glinda is complicit in becoming one and what she actually thought that meant

[thecobaltmonk]

They fact Elphaba tries to pick Glinda at the end of Part 1 and then tries pick her again at the end of Part 2 but is told she can't. This is fine, I'm fine. 😐

[confused-reading-ink-rat]

"When you wake up next to him in the middle of the nigh-"

All fine and dandy for Gelphie until you realize GLINDA HAS NO ONE TO WAKE UP NEXT TO.