#spn commentary

[smallfoe]

New video out, if you even care

Actual link: https://youtu.be/xskvNl93sDc

[fandom-hoarder]

Also I'm just gonna take this opportunity to once again whine about how stupid the "Crowley keeps Lucifer out of the cage AND gives him a permanent vessel" storyline was. IDC how many desperate moves Crowley had been making or how much he may want revenge about the forced puppy play thing; it's RIDICULOUS to have the guy that once exclaimed about everyone underestimating the Winchesters---the guy who has already been betrayed over and over by his demons; the guy who already SAW how Lucifer manipulated himself out of the cage and many other traps---to suddenly GIVE HIM A PERMANENT VESSEL JUST TO PATHETICALLY CHAIN HIM UP TOPSIDE AND ATTEMPT HALFHEARTED PUPPY PLAY???

AND I just also have to gripe about all the retconning involved in this stupid fucking storyline, and the "somehow Emperor Palpatine returned" of Crowley saying "I found your old, discarded vessel" --- WHERE? And how did Lucifer not already know about it, since Nick would HAVE to say 'yes' again?!?!

And on THAT note, I FURTHER have to complain about the whole "vessels must somehow survive the angel blade" of Nick surviving Michael killing Lucifer in s13, when that has not at ALL been the case up until then. Like, I guess again if I'm EXTREMELY GRACIOUS it can be excused within the total woo of Crowley fortifying Nick's vessel, but it drives me CRAZY as far as lore sync goes.

But omg, at least Mark P's expressions are his own this whole time, and not an exaggerated caricature like Casifer. At least every time he's on screen I'm not going "OH MY GOD, I WANT TO STAB YOU IN THE FAAAACE! STOP MAKING THAT EXPRESSION! JUST PLAY THE FUCKING CHARACTERRRRRRR!" And same goes for Vinceifer. Even when he has his dramatic tantrum on the stage in Rock Never Dies, I was like, "Notice how he's not doing stupid shit with his face? He's just BEING LUCIFER??" And kiddo was like, "Yes, I do notice actually."

The only Lucifer that rarely feels like Lucifer is Casifer, and everyone that let him do that shit needs a tribunal, tbh.

Of course, we have yet to get to the Lucifer x Sister Jo/Anael portion of our rewatch, at which point I will be screaming about stabbing them both. For now, these exclamations are reserved for Ketch's stupidass face. (but that's not an acting thing I just hate his aesthetic ngl; he has a really punchable face--well maybe it's a little bit an acting thing cuz maybe that smugass look is an affect IDK, but I also don't find him aesthetically pleasing At All and his Thing with Mary makes me gag)

[azrael08]

Weird take but I have huge grudge towards the background actors in the diner scene in 15x08, not throughout the entire scene but just at the end when Michael smites Lilith, when it pans around to the rest of the diner none of them look afraid enough, they all just look mildly shocked (except that one girl on the table behind Micheal when he leans over the booth, that girl look traumatized and I appreciate it) and it just takes me out of his whole 'Archangel power thing that Jabel had going on.

[sammygender]

things that are gay according to eric kripke

umbrellas ("the boys aren't scared of demons but they're scared of a little rain?")

spells and magic ("they'd beat up harry potter")

any additions?

[fandom-hoarder]

Okay, am I crazy/forgetting something, or did Lucifer not have red eyes until freaking s11? I fast forwarded through all the Lucifer parts of s5 and didn't see any colored eyes whatsoever. Granted I didn't check Hallucifer today, so maybe there's something there I'm forgetting; and I could argue that's not really Lucifer, but it could still count since Hallucifer is based on Sam's cage experience. I thought maybe he'd had an "angel eyes" moment at some point in s5, but the closest I could find is strategic camera angles for regular light capture in Jared's eyes when he's doing the Sam/Lucifer mirror scene?

This renewed curiosity started a few nights ago during my rewatch with my kiddo, when I was complaining about how late seasons does the red eyes too neon bright. There are some times that are worse than others, and the worst is Terminator Eyes(TM) in the Empty, but now that I've searched this out it's annoying me even more. Red eyes used to just mean Crossroads Demon. Yellow Eyes was Azazel, and I'll accept it as a sign of Princes of Hell since it still allows it to be a sign of a certain power level/class. Lucifer is an angel; if he had colored eyes they should've been consistent about it. Giving him glowing blue could've still been appropriate. But they didn't start out that way, so it's frustrating now because it becomes a gimmicky shortcut to make him scary.

I guess I can see the utility of it, and if I'm gracious I can assign the Watsonian reasoning of the advent of red eyes having to do with Lucifer's evolution of anger towards Sam and his entire situation after being re-caged.

IDK but it feels like every time the red eyes come out now I get secondhand embarrassment?? LOL

[sammygender]

listened to commentary script for pilot. kripke keeps mentioning how the concept of spn was 'star wars in truck stop america' where sam is luke skywalker and dean is han solo. i know next to nothing about star wars characters but its interesting how sam&dean were originally drawn in Tropes rather than as fully formed characters cause. like. dean is not whatsoever han solo adjacent in terms of actual motivations or internal world. he also keeps going on about how sam and dean are 'tough guys'. at one point he said they'd beat up harry potter??

[ihatedean]

jared: i remember shooting that scene over the car as the day i told everybody on set that we were pregnant. jensen: that you and i were pregnant? jared: yeah. yeah, that we were— *dorky laugh*.

[autisticandroids]

FAMINE: That's one deep, dark nothing you've got there, Dean.

[youtube with closed captions]

dean and his father. dean and his family. dean and how bad it is.

(via @closetoyou1970)

[disabled-dean]

Yeah but has anyone checked on the CW sniper? Are they okay?

[fandom-hoarder]

I've been thinking a lot lately about that part at the end of The Chitters, when Sam is talking about how whenever Dean and John were gone, he would worry about what he would do if they never came back. And Dean says, We came back, though. Every time.

And I used to be upset over this line, like it was a callous dismissal, or like Dean just didn't Get It. But I don't think that's what it was. I don't think it was intended to be, either. I think it was a reminder, and a lowkey plea not to be anxious about losing Dean now.

Like, they're relating to Jesse's story, and how his brother DIDN'T come back, and both thinking about the whole Amara situation under everything. Dean, in his way, is actually trying to reassure Sam, not dismiss him. History has shown you that I always come back, and I'll KEEP coming back to you.

And yeah, at the end of the season, Dean ends up becoming the bomb to beat Amara, like another cosmic joke, but guess what?

He comes back.

[seasononesam]

team free will 2.0 + phones | template

[sammygender]

embarking on ep 4 commentary with jensen and jared. jared u better say something interesting about sam winchester im counting on you

[thezestywalru]

I think it would be incredibly funny to write a supernatural crack fic where they have to take down the vampires from twilight and Dean Winchester has a big brother talk with Bella. Maybe she joins them hunting.

[sensitivehandsomeactionman]

While I've revisited eps to make gifs, I haven't done an attentive rewatch in many years. So, I rewatched the pilot. The boys look so young 👶😄. There's a ghost story, or maybe there are two ghost stories. One is the obvious, the woman in white. The other is Sam being haunted by his past, with Dean like a link to an older era. He pulls back the curtain to an American Gothic horror tale, with his vintage car, and vintage cassette tapes, and vintage persona. Sam is the modern young man, about to head to the future, but just when he thought he was out...

I wouldn't say Dean pulled him back in. That gentle tug wasn't enough to do it, in fact. Dean has bravado, but is surprisingly soft-spoken and tentative in the way he watches for Sam's reactions like a hawk. Even when he pushes Sam on the bridge, his eyes are wide and hurt, and his hushed, "Don't talk about her like that" is not so much angry as it is a plea.

Sam seems completely self assured. He's worldly, smart, decisive. I feel as viewers we're following him from the respectable suburban world to the bad place. With John leaving a vacuum behind him, literally the empty motel room, both boys seem to fill that space -- Sam immediately connecting with John's research, while Dean dons the mantle of John's protective coat. Pleasing metaphors of inheritance.

Speaking of inheritance, Jessica's death in the same manner that killed his mother is what pulls Sam back in. He's now on the same path as John. He's the one who commands the "we" in "We got work to do." Another pleasing story parallel.

Dean is the older brother, but I'm always struck that at this stage he's almost delicate. The eyelashes, the bracelets, the too big jacket. He's positioned in this trope as the bad boy, yet Jensen always has an inherent good guy quality. He's so funny, but it's like a vaudeville act. He's insanely charming and devil-may-care, but you get the sense he's also down on his luck. He's odd and fun and intriguing.

The desaturation and shadows of the cinematography never get old. J2 are beautiful and immediately as watchable as Mulder and Scully. There are some stunning women and recognizable character actors. Of course some of it seems dated, now even more retro than intended lol, yet the Americana parts are mythic and hold up as a motif. Bonus points for including a public library for research. They're searching for a shade of a father; they can't go home, there be ghosts; home is an empty husk of trauma. Still love this pilot.

[ihatewhentheyfight]

jared: now this scene, i believe we filmed at the end of the day, at the end of the episode, and uhm... i'm chewing right now and you can't see because they cut it out, but i had to eat a donut and uh, they really made me— jensen: there you go, there you go. chewing away, buddy. jared: —bite into a donut and i'm chewing away, and they're like, we need to see you bite into the donut, and... i don't think it's ever going to show me bite into the donut. so i ate about fifteen donuts. jensen: *chuckles* jared: ...and they never even showed it. i just look like i'm— i look like a cow, chewing on it's cud. jensen: that's pretty much your daily quota though, isn't it? jared: *cute laugh* thirty is my daily quota. that was a light day. jensen: right.

[angelinthefire]

seriously I don't get this idea that Dean gets jealous when someone flirts with Cas. Not when we've seen precisely the opposite happen on the show more than once.

Dean loves it when someone flirst with Cas. It's entertaining to him.

It brings Cas down to the level of a human dude. For a moment he's just a regular guy having a regular experience, and Dean loves that. He's absolutely jazzed at the idea of Cas having sex with a woman. It makes Cas like him. It makes him accessible.

It's also kind of a joke to Dean. Because he knows Cas doesn't know what to do with flirting, and doesn't really have an interest in it. It's funny.

It also poses zero threat to Dean. The flirter just thinks that Cas is some hot guy. They have no idea what he is or what he's like. They don't really see him, they just see what he looks like. Dean is the one who really sees Cas, and the one who really likes him.

The only time that Dean reacts negatively to someone flirting with Cas is Meg because a) he already hates her, and b) she seems to develop a genuine connection with Cas.

But flirting in and of itself does not threaten Dean's relationship with Cas.