#specifically louis and armand

[custom-coffins]

I love characters who just embrace and become their flaws. There's just something so poetic and at the same time awful about giving in to the worst things about yourself. I love the way they just go completely feral and completely surrender to arrogance or violence or anger and aaaaaa

[divorcedtom]

daniel molloy version of k3nd4llr0y’s logan roy rollin with the lgbt edit

[userarmand]

"Oh, I adore you. It’s so delicious to be helpless and at your mercy." 

The Vampire Armand, Anne Rice (1998)

[doomed-romances]

You aim the camera straight but here, something fragile about this man. If you knew the man you'd know he was anything but. A happy mistake then? You caught the soul he is hiding. — INTERVIEW WITH THE VAMPIRE [2022- ]

[platoapproved]

I was supposed to be luring him in, but the opposite was happening.

[kaetor]

what if the iwtv vampires could turn into animals like vampires can in some other media

[asthedeathoflight]

Yk I keep circling the issue of like how Armand gets talked about in the fandom because he does do some bad shit but at the end of the day nobody has to put a fucking disclaimer on their Lestat posts do they so I'm pretty confident in saying its just fucking racism. Every time anyone mentions Armand in the broader context of the whole show they have to do an aside about how hes an irredeemable monster who we are only discussing in the context of fiction but everyones favorite mediocre white guy doesnt need a disclaimer because everyone just magically understands that this is the choose your favorite war criminal show when the war criminal is blonde.

[queenoftheimps]

Genuinely trying to figure out if Daniel's conversation with Justin Kirk is taking place outside the penthouse (meaning Daniel is, at some point, able to escape without getting vamp'ed) -- or if this is in the penthouse and Justin Kirk is someone Louis/Armand would allow to visit.

It might be the former (it looks like there's two other people in the background, who don't look like Armand/Louis) -- but him saying "I want to get out alive" feels odd if he's already made it out. If it's the latter, that raises the question of who, exactly, would be allowed in to talk to Daniel, because I have THEORIES.

[flysafepapi]

oh, boy, i am so normal about these fictional men (i am vibrating at a frequency known only to hummingbirds and rattlesnakes)

[florencechase]

it never occurred to me before but did louis say to armand does he want to lick my boots or chop my hands off because he knows he’s done it to nicki??? 😧

[dxxtruction]

"Louis acting like a pimp to Armand" And what is a pimp exactly? Quickly. And, oh so sexual trauma survivors can't engage in kink now without it being all about that? Pet names? They can't be submissive anymore? Consensually? Sexually healthy? Be serious. I'd hardly say there's much power difference between them during all this anyway, except that Louis is freer than Armand and it's been putting a strain on their relationship. Louis wants more from Armand, and less of this 'being his past' for them both, and so helping Armand with this could fix that. It's healthy to want to help your partners get out of a rough patch?

I mean, the whole exchange was very clearly set up as a "I want to help you" after such a great moment of vulnerability Louis feels just how much Armand is desperate for it. Louis called Armand so they could work out a plan together.

And the bit with the umbrella was Louis' way of asking 'are you willing to listen to me?' and Armand said yes by unfolding it. Louis goes on and explains, Armand is allowed to argue against it, but Louis makes his point. And then he gives Armand a way to make his own choice in it too. Armand's already decided 'I want you, more than anything else in the world', but Louis still asks after if he's sure of his choice, and with a name, Arun, that is the one of his fullest agency, running the point home. Honoring the situation Armand calls Louis Maitre - as a way of being like 'I'll do as you've said then'. To make this work he's going to have to give Louis some of the control, yes. But it's the first time such a role is ever established, and it was his choice to do it. So so what if they do it in a very suggestive way? They can't like doing that? I think it's them having fun.

I struggle to find how Louis is being overly domineering here when really he's giving and offering Armand the most agency he's ever had. Same with finding it manipulative. The manipulation was more earlier in the episode I think, when he was stringing him along, giving mixed signals. He's no longer toying with him like that. Louis might be pushing Armand, leading him on to make a decision, but he doesn't mean bad by it.

But back to this pimp thing. I find it frankly offensive that this is where people are going with this. I get it, but to run with it being the case is, on many levels, wrong.

Louis told us episode 1 this was the only sustainable line of work to support his family and keep their standing, at the time. It was never his choice to be doing this either but his blackness allowed no other options. He did what he did so his family could stay in that house and maintain all their same comforts. It gave him privileges most black men didn't have at the time that he wanted to maintain and even have more of. Anyway, it doesn't and had never defined him the way 'being good at running things' had. And in that case he just likes having that kind of control where he can get it, which makes sense.

The world is what placed that kind of role onto him of what he was allowed to be able to run, not himself. And on that he actually treated the sex workers he employed well and respected them enough to give them more opportunity.** He recognizes they don't have much in the way of options either.

Louis employed sex workers, yes, but he didn't subject them to abuse, (like how Armand was)*. He didn't oversee things in a way that would go against their consent (see; episode 1 again)**. Sometimes a job is just a job. And Sex work is work.

Armand's particular past with sexual abuses may strike a particular cord with Louis, given all that, but the very last thing either is thinking is that Louis' pimping Armand out here. This is merely their decision as companions, and had nothing to do with adding another line in a laundry list of selling Armands body out to people at the command of someone else. Armand rescinds some of his control to Louis' wishes, because he wants him, and he trusts him, that's all.

If you aren't allowing Armand that choice, and are doubtful it's fully his, you're putting him right back in the box of being defined by his abuses. Putting him back into that space where he isn't given any agency over what he does. (Which is exactly opposite of what the intent of this scene is for)*.

*: (edit) added for clarity.

**: (strike through) numerous people are saying I'm misremembering these points so disregard it. (Thought he was siding with Bricks, it was the other way around). (Technically one aspect of those opportunities were for getting around the law). I don't have a perfect memory, it happens. Let's not get mad about it. Doesn't change much of the point which is that Louis, now, Louis then, was always considering more about the running things and for stated purposes. So I guess I'd say he may only have respected the SWers enough sometimes for what allowed him to do that, and there are moments he certainly expressed remorse over the fact, but he has a great deal higher respect for Armand that is genuine. It's incomparable. Please read my added notes in the tags, it should address most other concerns.

[fascinationstreetmp3]

i neeeeed to know what was going through armand's mind when he made daniel. like, not even about him really, more regarding the actual act of making a vampire.

armand says the idea of that repulsed him in general, and that fledglings will always come to despise their makers, but there's also another risk brought up a few times by him that could be a genuine fear: that fledglings might not "take" to the gift. he tries to sway louis from turning madeleine by telling him "it could fail", that she could turn into one of "those drooling revenants", and later has to ask if she took. he had asked lestat if nicki took, too. but he knew he couldn't have; too unstable, too fragile; he would not rise out of it and he would never flourish.

did he think about that while he was turning daniel? what if he did it wrong? what if daniel couldn't handle it and he died or went mad? if it was purely a spiteful act, did armand even care about the outcome? but louis' words were ringing in his head regardless of if he personally did or didn't: "you harm him in any way and i will kill you." if daniel didn't take, what would that mean in louis' eyes?

[chesapeakebane]

Claudia never caught a break in all her life she’s like ah thank god I’m finally rid of my fuck ass stepdad who tried to kill me and then IMMEDIATELY she gets another fuck ass stepdad who also wants to kill her and is significantly better at following through on his personal goals

[eyestrain-addict]

I might be misremembering but it's crazy that real lestat (that we know of) never refers to claudia as "ours", only ever refers to her as Louis' daughter. But dreamstat (AKA louis' imagined version of lestat) refers to her as 'our daughter'. This version of Lestat is both a taunting presence and also a comforting one and in this moment it's clear he's supposed to be comforting- meaning I think that Louis longed to hear Lestat take paternal ownership of Claudia the same way Lestat longed to hear Louis say I love you. Like a "this is it. We're a family. You're my husband and the father of our daughter"

A lot of notable things happened in this episode obviously but this is the one thing I can comprehend at this very moment

[bluemoonscape]

there’s something irredeemable about him

[milfromanroy]

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