#sorry for destihelling again

[deadwerewolfgirlfriend]

Supernatural + Why didn't he say it back? He's been saying it back for years. 6.20 The Man Who Knew Too Much, 8.17 Goodbye Stranger, 11.18 Hell's Angel, 15.09 The Trap, 15.18 Despair (companion piece)

Doubles as a present for @thegeekyturtlegirl who wondered about a Dean version.

[eisforeidolon]

I never will be interested in TW. But I gotta say that it is esp hilarious watching hellers or AAs creating stuff up their ass the come up with ''parallels'' every chance they get to use those (nonsexisting) parallels to prove their points.

Like I am sorry but Mary and John are not a ''Destihell'' parallel, lol. If they are paralleled to any other couple / duo, it would be Sam and Dean naturally. C'mon...

And do not get me started on ppl saying everything is a Dean parallel now. Mary and John? Apparently are all Dean parallels because Sam does not exist. Mary's college application? Apparently a Dean parallel AND how the heck someone can even come to that conclusion in the first place? A hunter wanting to be out of the hunter life, applying to college to pursue their interests.... yeah that reminds me of someone called Sam Winchester, lol, not Dean.

Hellers are just batshit delusional, but what about Dean stans? They literally take everything about Sam's canon portrayal, wants and dreams and insert them into Dean's character instead. So everything becomes a 'Dean parallel' automatically since Sam's character is basically shafted and all of his traits, personality and dreams are inserted into Dean instead.

Sorry but it just doesn't work like that... like, there was a reason why SPN survived and why Sam was the protagonist and heart of the show. Dean was enjoyable regardless but you cannot just shaft Sam's character and delete his existence while using Sam's canonical character traits to insert them into Dean's character . That's just nonsensical at best, lmao.

Yeah, at one point I thought about watching the pilot but didn't get around to it. Partially because it seemed so clearly geared towards Not Me and I didn't really hear anything that changed my mind about that - even though I have come across people who seem to be enjoying it for itself. I know I like some shows other people think are dumb and/or trashy, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

And one of the reasons I didn't want them to do any continuation in the Spniverse for at least five years was to give the hellers time to wander off and obsess about something else. I do have to say that their constant attempts to make everything parallels to their ship to prove it's going to be made canon any day now in a different show are fucking hilarious, though. They really are going out for the stretch Olympics.

While most of the Dean stans I know aren't watching TW either, I'm not surprised there are some still trying to make it about erasing Sam just as hard as the most angry Sam stans, except gleefully. Again, while I haven't paid that much attention, I'm pretty sure Jensen explicitly said their intent is to parallel Sam & Dean in certain ways. But as usual, even a lot of Jensen's supposed fans are more invested in what they want to see than what he says.

Even more obviously, just like the bajillion bad D/C "parallels" metas for either show? When there's a MUCH more obvious comparison ... it's not a freaking parallel to the thing that's only vaguely similar if you squint and wish real hard.

[monsterrae1]

Oh Rae, I am so sorry for this lmao

A 'heller' is shortened from 'destiheller' or people who ship destiel

There are factions in the spn fandom depending on who is being shipped. I believe it was the wincesties or bronlies who started the destiheller thing in a derogatory way, but heller has since been reclaimed. Those of us who ship destiel now wear heller like a badge of honor 😂

Again, I am so, so sorry for bringing this to your attention 🤣

Jo, baby, I love that you came in with an apology first 😂😂😂

I also just had to google what a Bronlie was 😂 I had to idea about those terms, but all the power to you guys for reclaiming Heller it sounds cool! I was browsing the tag when your ask came in, so this helped clear up why it was used the same as destiel in the tags.

I've been so disconnected from the spn fandom discourse, I feel like a stranger in my own home 😂 Thank you for the history lesson! <3

[touchstarvedsam]

Bi!Sam is so much more plausible than bi!Dean. The only passable bi!Dean proof I’ve seen that’s not food, water, or Dean being a fanboy like normal people is the siren from season 4. Who made it clear that he was supposed to be Sam. So bi!Dean is possible if Dean’s into Wincest. But in the same season, we get a flashback of Sam trying to sell his soul for Dean and his crossroads demon is a young male. And it’s canon that crossroads demon come to you as someone you’re attracted to. Soooo...

I’ve been saying this for years! Honestly, I’ve headcanoned Sam as biromantic demisexual for several years now. Especially with his lack of gendering his partners when speaking about them. It really gives us an idea that Sam has had male partners in the past that obviously weren’t plot necessary so they weren’t mentioned.

I’m leaning more towards this happening at Stanford, where his father and Dean weren’t around. Sam is pretty private and discreet so I doubt he’d pick up a dude in a bar where Dean is trying to impress a woman with his dart skills.

Also Brady. Brady gave me vibes, dude. Which also gives me ideas that Sam was more upset about Brady turning out to be possessed because he and Sam, you know. But that’s obviously headcanon, but not entirely implausible.

But anyway, onto the topic of crossroads demons! Sam, in fact, summoned two male crossroads demons:

From I Know What You Did Last Summer.

And from Taxi Driver.

Whereas every single crossroads demon Dean ever summoned was a woman. So. Literally no one can argue this. Dean even asked “What happened to the chicks?” and gave Sam a look like “dude?” while the demon looked at Sam like “really with this guy?” because Sam was the one to put the box in the ground and bury it. But yeah, Sam’s not queer-coded like Dean apparently is. Sam’s Super Straight™, unlike Dean apparently, so nothing gay can touch him because he will burst into flames. That makes sense.

Meanwhile, we have Jared that says he is totally fine with us giving Sam the pronouns he/they, and he is totally okay with Sam’s partner in the finale (Jared himself says “partner” because like Sam, Jared doesn’t gender Sam’s lovers!) being a man, or a woman, or any person we want them to be. That was why they were ambiguous and blurry. But yeah, Sam is the straight one, not Dean who has been saying for 15 years he’s straight. Sam, who has never once said “I don’t swing that way” or “I don’t play for your team,” is the straight one. Sure he is.

But yeah, they ignore Sam and Jared when Sam uses gender neutral terms, and Jared saying Sam could have had a male partner, and ignore Dean and Jensen when Dean says he’s not into dudes and when Jensen says Dean is heterosexual. Makes total sense.

I will take biromantic demisexual Sam with me to my grave because while Jared is game, the show and its creators never intended either Sam or Dean to be queer, which is a shame because queer Sam is literally the greatest gift we could ever be given, but I respect the show’s choices because that’s how the characters were made.

Also, per Eric Kripke:

“I’m just really interested in guys -- straight guys -- who have a tight friendship. They’re really fun to write, because they never say how they really feel.”

So there’s that. But yeah, ignore the creator and insist that Dean is bi, meanwhile we’ve got Jensen asking where d*stiel is in the show because he can’t see it, and saying that d*stiel doesn’t exist. Die mad, hellers. Die mad. Sam and Dean are in heaven together and will spend eternity cruising around in Baby side by side, just like they were always meant to be.

[eddietboyswag]

hi i made a companion piece to cas is dr coomer coded

[helianthus21]

Sending you lots of love because we all fucking need it right now *hugs*

thank you anon! *hugs you back* hope you’re doing okay!

at least we have fandom. i’m a firm believer of #Fuck Canon so it’s easy to just take these characters and run off with them. it’s not their fault they were stuck in this stupid show, we’re gonna give them a better ending in a million different ways in a million different fics<3

[lol-jackles]

Love your blog so so much!

So I'm rewatching spn and wanted to know your opinion about sam and dean's intimacy in the later seasons (11-15 ESPECIALLY 15)

First let's make it clear that I'm not a wincest shipper nor destiheller etc

I'm curious though, everyone with eyes can see how in later seasons all their conversations, touches, THE LOOK IN THEIR EYES (eye fuck...sorry not sorry) are different than the first season. In s11 we had the famous "red meat" and the Romeo and Juliet suicide. In s14 we had sam shaving for dean (what was the reason) etc. but okay let's put s11 to 14 aside and discuss some s15's scenes. we had au sam/dean and they literally said that they f*cked in the impala? (come on "WE DROVE IT" and the fear in non-au dean's eyes was definitely not about driving the CAR) and the last episodes...well you watched it yourself. The barn scene, "heaven is almost perfect" cuz my baby bro isn't here and even in the episodes before carry on you see how obvious they were.

I wonder if Jensen had a hand in these choices. I mean he changed most of the barn scene script and added dialogues the way you only see in romantic movies lmao. Also the episode he directed in s15 (different ways s & d kill eachother) we had demon dean and THAT scene from s10...again! Idk I'm just curious cuz they surely didn't plan to make s/d canon but later seasons were beyond subtle

I'd love to hear your opinion!

Thank you Anon.  First, my boring, logical opinion is the unbreakable bond of Sam and Dean is an example of the very popular “heterosexual life partner” trope that is the mainstay of many tv shows, it ranges from “bromance” to “wait, they’re not a gay couple?”

Supernatural took it a step further and made Sam and Dean soul mates, which makes them heterosexual after-life partners.  The longer any tv shows and movies go, the more they escalate the stakes and the relationships.  Supernatural escalated the Winchester’s enemies from demons to angels to god, and with each bigger villain the more intimate and ~hand holding~ they do i.e. Dean tending to Sam’s wounded hand, the scene switch from Sam & Dean to John & Mary holding hands, the infamous pinky to finger touch on the beer bottle, and of course the “we drove it” *knowing looks*.

It makes sense, storywise, that Sam and Dean keep choosing each other before their father, friends, lovers, and the safety of the world.  Their relationship is the only constant good thing they know in a supernatural world of corruption and evil.  And there is nobody else in the world that has gone through what they have gone through.

That said, Jensen gets the lion share of the credit for powering the chemistry between him and Jared and spawning the wincesty vibe between Sam and Dean.  I always joked that Jensen needs to be released into his wincest habitat. Sure, Jared Sam stares at Dean with deep, abiding need, but it's more of a little brother/pseudo son looking for approval and pride in his big brother/pseudo father.  Because remember kids, writers eventually turn characters into actors’ persona.  Writers observe actors’ behavior on set and use what is available in front of them to make the character appear more authentic they incorporate as much of the actors’ natural personality as much as they can get away with.  Jared and Jensen did have a codependent-ish friendship, more on Jensen’s side than Jared’s.  Even outside the codependency, it’s still normal-ish for guys to pull “gay chicken” stunts on each other, otherwise you’re not real friends.  And it’s not uncommon for guys to show more physical affection in public for their dude bro friends than their girlfriends/wives as a juvenile way to reassert their masculinity.  So writers write what they see in front of them.

[laf-outloud]

You are so stupid and so unbelievable blind, Jared obliterated both your ships J2 and Wincest in the process of shitting on Destiel, and you don't even noticed. He said very clearly and undoubtedly that he loves Jensen but he doesn't want to take him to a hotel, Jared was never attracted to Jensen in that way and he made it clear.

All the shit he said, he really didn't meat it in a good natured way, he was clearly aggressive and wanting to shut down any kind of gay talk. He was very rude and he stomped on Jensen who was stuck there trying to defuse that bomb in the most diplomatic way, and he wasn't happy about it! Did you saw his face? How clearly angry he was when he left the stage. There was no split jump at the start, and their hug was sooo stiff, and Jensen was frowning and pressing his lips, they had an entire football field beween them, and they did nothing to close that space at any time. If we got something clear from that Con, is that there's clearly something very wrong with those 2.

Did you mean to send this to someone else? I don't ship J2 and Wincest as a romantic love. (Though I can understand those that do). I loved Jared's response and Jensen's unwavering support of that response as well as Jensen's additions. Sorry your destiel ship was decimated (again) and that Ace representation was front and center! Jensen and Jared are friends and will continue to be friends. If he was so mad at Jared, why would he be so eager to get back to Austin and direct Walker? Why was he hoping Jared was hugging him? Why was he hoping that Jared was at his solo panel? The amount of times they referenced each other in their own panels was proof enough so you can go back to your little destihell hole and cry yourself to sleep, but leave Jared out of your hate and stop trying to pretend you know what Jensen was thinking.

[canonerarecsonly]

To all the blogs opposing hellers

I want to thank you. I understand why people want to stay neutral, ship and let ship, not get involved. And I think thats fine. But to the blogs out there spreading the word about Hellers activities, telling hellers to back off and going on anti heller crusades...I applaud you. 

If hellers were normal fans I wouldn’t care. If hellers were simply disgruntled fans bitching online I wouldn’t care. But hellers are literally the most horrible facet of fandom I’ve ever seen.

They attack real people, slander people, threaten children and families. They purposefully start campaigns to bring down networks, tv shows, people’s careers, people themselves. They use violent speech and have no qualms about sending disgusting messages to people who have spent 15 years of their lives dedicated to bringing their fans enjoyment. They intimidate and bully fellow members of fandom if they don’t follow their ship. Bibros, Wincest, Megstiel, Sastiel...it doesn’t matter. If you don’t agree with them they taint your fandom experience with their negativity. They hijack LGBTQ vernacular to bolster their cause and then use bigoted ideas when expressing their views.  

Yes, many of them are young, deluded and feeling wronged...but none of these are excuses for wishing death on people, telling people to kill themselves, threatening to kidnap people and/or their children. 

Fandom has been a toxic place for awhile in many quarters but obviously remaining quiet and ignoring doesn’t make this particular toxin fizzle out. So thank you once again to all the people who don’t think this cyber bullying movement known as Destihellers should allowed to run wild with no counter measures taken. 

Sorry, I have been thinking about this and just wanted to send it into the ether. 

[youmightbeanidiotif]

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#5

Die

Aww, you butthurt? You seem butthurt. XD

Please come back and let me know which post it was so I can have the complete experience of laughing at you. XD

48 notes • Posted 2021-06-11 23:26:09 GMT

#4

Misha tweeted Jensen on his birthday and Jared didn't, cockles wins again! I love to see you J2 stans crying!

You must mean crying laughing at y’all calling Misha “King” for his literally “ship” baiting tweet because he has new merch coming soon. XD

Or how it’s a poor imitation of the joke Jared made first, several years ago, and how Jensen liked a bunch of happy birthday tweets, but not Misha’s. XD

Sorry not sorry, we “J2 stans” win, as always, because the Padalecki’s spent Jensen’s birthday weekend with the Ackles, and we have a new J2 panel coming in three days. 

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62 notes • Posted 2021-03-04 21:58:03 GMT

#3

ooh when did jensen say the suit was green? anyone who thought the suit was "angel blue" needs to see an optometrist. i worry for them

Their desperation causes hallucinations, we been knew. XD

He said it on Stephen Amell's instagram post about Soldier Boy:

(in re)

73 notes • Posted 2021-06-11 23:42:47 GMT

#2

What’s this about Jensen and Misha arguing?

I've heard from several different people now that were at DenCon that Jensen was angry and talking sternly at Misha in the photo op room, that the destiels/cockles/minions that were there were kinda in shock and subdued about it. You notice there were none of the usual fake stories about Jensen and Misha being cutesy with each other, instead they all went radio silent because they didn't know what to say so, of course, some of the usual BS artists tried to shift it onto J2, except they foolishly didn't fact check themselves first because this all happened before Jared was even at the con lol.

107 notes • Posted 2021-11-02 05:14:23 GMT

#1

Jared & Jensen virtualcon m&g info:

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[theyarebothgunshot]

im so sorry whats a heller

hi! i am gonna assume you are new here, so welcome!! <3

you may know that the supernatural fandom is largely divided into two categories: those who

ship dean and cas, and those who…. don’t. those who don’t, are all about the brothers (in all ways possible, which is just. very much not it). those “brothers only” fans made up a cute little nickname for us: destihellers. a word play to destiel, with the word hell merged into it. get it? get it? anyways the destiel fans reclaimed the name (“hell yes we are destihellers!”) and now people who ship dean and cas call themselves hellers in short. hope that explains it.

ok heller anon again. im so sorry again but who is alma and where did it start? youre an angel for actually answering stuff lol <3

alma is an instagram poet, this post explains it best.

[laora-inn]

Supernatural - 15x19. Why it’s a good ep considering Destiel

As all of my SPN metas, it’s Destiel positive and happy end positive, don’t like - don’t read.

I wasn’t disappointed of this ep’s outgoing, in fact, I’ve been waiting for something like that.  Here in September I wrote my specs for the last 7 eps, and for 15x19 there was one: “they will not talk about Cas’s saving. And he will be dead in this episode for sure”. I was especially sure about this spec after 15x18. ‘Cause THE INTRIGUE guys. 

There is no intrigue at all - only Cas’s returning/saving in 15x20 could SAVE THE SHOW. Other way - it’s never too late to rebel :) Though I don’t think it will be necessary, not in this case.  So I liked the 15x19 outcome and my hopes for the DeanCas happy end are strong as ever. 15x19 made them stronger. 

I liked a lot of things in the ep - so, so many of them. Jack and Dean’s grieving. Blood mark on Dean’s jacket. Sam and Dean’s readiness to surrender. Dean’s demand for Chuck, to return Cas - though ONLY CAS AND DEAN THEMSELVES COULD DO IT. Luci’s comeback as a fact - I speculated about it a bit here, though I thought more of Nick calling to Luci. But Nick was also Chuck’s puppet, why not?  Luci’s playing Cas - “let me in”. We saw Dean’s weakness, so clear that it hurts and could be even uncomfortable to watch. We ALL understood that was a coy the moment Luci called I suppose - but not Dean. And THIS FACT alone is nice - not the details though.  Michael’s tragedy, though hidden and not well-played - but it was there.  Chuck’s inability to love. The whole metaness of his character - “I’m cancelling your show” again. His death wish. Sam and Dean’s revenge neglect. “That’s not who I am. That’s not who we are”. Chuck as a human, without his strength. It’s strange, but I think he could be happy now! If he’ll change something in himself, of course.  Chuck’s empty Book of Death. His book is empty now, there will be no new Death... and he can start from the beginning. He can write his own story now and be redeemed - despite all the things he had done. It’s a new page for him as well. Chuck finally could be free himself.  The way Jack became the new Almighty AFTER exploding in the Empty. THE EMPTY IS THE ONE THAT GAVE HIM THE STRENGTH, it’s not the enemy. I wrote about it here.   Amara’s mentioning - and it was Sam who asked about her, she was important for both Sam and Dean all the way.  Beautiful acting - they certainly did their best with the script given. 

The way how the children should be free of their parents - Michael and Luci from Chuck, Sam and Dean from Chuck - and their dad, his name even wasn’t curved on the table by the end of the ep and despite the kind words to John in 14x13 we saw in 15x16 and 15x17 how destructive was John’s impact on Dean - not at Sam, ‘cause Dean was protecting Sam all along. Jack from Sam and Dean - this freedom is blurred though ‘cause of Cas’s absence in the episode structure. But his freedom is a good thing itself - for Jack it’s impossible to be a human, Kelly believed that. Cas believed that. Cas saw paradise on earth - so Jack’s chosen fate was in being a Child who is everywhere, in all of us, who doesn’t play with us, but lets us act ourselves. He isn’t the God as we understand him in strict norms, he isn’t cruel and abusive.  And he should be free of any expectations from Sam and Dean - Cas said it in 15x18 to him. Jack is a grown-up in his own manner. He is independent now, and that’s a good thing. 

Also, there is a promise in these shots:

We see these shots 3 times - before Jack returns all the humans, in the process of returning (see the girl whose bike was abandoned at the road at the end of 15x18 and at 15x19 beginning?) and when he talks about him being everywhere.  One More. The One.  Is Jack the One now? Is he the one more One?  Is it ONE MORE EPISODE? One more story? One more thing? One more... You can continue the thought if you want. All I want to say - these shots are visually important and I find them hopeful :)

I liked Sam and Dean in the end. I’m a Destiel shipper but I’ve never hated Sam and Sam and Dean’s relationship. I just think it’s not good for this relationship to be romantic - it’s not good for both of Sam and Dean. But I respect them and their bond and don’t see anything bad for DeanCas ship in it. In fact, it’s quite the opposite - Sam was helping both Cas and Dean all the time. I’m afraid of thinking what will happen without him. Nothing good I suppose. I liked the way this scene was filmed. It’s also hopeful for me - though the double reading here is possible.  But I think “just us” is not the end.  I liked the names curved on the table as the fact. Now it’s confirmed - they ARE a family. All of them.

I liked the choice of the song - Running on Empty. Wow. Symbolically - ‘cause the Empty in the story is the separate character AND the place, you know. I liked a clip-show at the end. It’s nostalgic and sweet, and it has Cas in it - he IS the part of that, not only as Dean’s love interest, hey. He has his own party.  Here the story of blood ends.  What’s next?

We’ll wait and see. 

And now - some things in 15x19 which left me disappointed. 

I must confess that I’ve always loved SPN myth-arcs and wasn’t noticing Destiel as a thing for a while because my interests weren’t in the field of shipping. This show wasn’t about shipping for me - and the weirdest, it isn’t about shipping for me now. It’s a DAMN GOOD STORY WITH THE SENSE. And the sense is love. Yep. 

So this episode didn’t do well with the myth-arc.  

You see, I kinda enjoyed some of Buckleming eps. For instance, 15x13 - I love it, and there are some more. I’ve even appreciated their lack of subtext, parallels, allusions sometimes. They could be very specific. One more example - when Dean in 11x03 cupped Cas’s face, it was very easy to understand the ROMANTIC nature of their relationship and stuff.

But this ep?! 

Pandemic situation added some stress I suppose. Nevertheless, all the story with Lucifer and Michael is just catastrophic. The only strong part was Lucifer telling Michael how Chuck can’t love - and the fact that his words were confirmed by the plot, and Chuck’s inability to love finally ended him. We’ve known that. We’ve predicted that. I’ve written about it here. 

“You’ve killed your own son” (c) Dean, who didn’t do that.   

But the rest part of this story---ugh. Killing Luci so easily? Michael is so plain as a character? Are you f*cking kidding me?!! Even AU!Michael was more interesting, I swear. I had a feeling that I myself could write this part of story better. And it’s not about lack of Cas as Dean’s love interest or hope for his returning, or for DeanCas whatever, I’m pretty sure we will get all of that. It’s about the myth-arc only! One of the main ones from season 4! 

All this epic story of Luci and Mike could be done much more better. Like WAY MORE BETTER. With the same convo, you know,with the same outcome, which is absolutely correct - we are not supposed to serve our parents. But different details, WTF! And that’s my main point here. 

There are some other things that I’m disappointed about, though less:   1) Betty the Reaper was a total WTF either despite of her eager lines. 2) I need more explanations about how exactly Jack gained his new power, how is he reunited with Amara, how he returned all the people BUT NOT Donna, Bobbie, Charlie, Jody, Eileen, Cas - not the people HE cares about. Or they are not important for him now? This thing could be resolved in 15x20 though. 3) I didn’t like physical violence from Chuck. A) I have some doubts if he can properly do it, he like to watch. What’s changed? I’m not convinced. B) I felt physical pain from that scene. It was awful. It all could be showed for us in a different way, but they didn’t want that. 4) I didn’t like how Chuck’s mind changes every second. I don’t kill you, I don’t care about you, you’ll live and suffer, no, I’ll kill you. It could be written more properly, but hey. This part is much more harder to fix that Luci and Mike’s. 5) I didn’t like the dog move. Like AT ALL. I loved Jensen’s kind voice and his acting, but: A) all these doggy parallels are not for me, I didn’t like how Cas was called a dog before - in Buckleming eps specifically (and that terrible parallel in 8x15!), but not only there. I didn’t like when Atropos called Sam and Dean Cas’s pets either. Not my kink, sorry - and it’s JUST TOO THICK; B) it’s classic move. So classic that it’s dumb! The Bad Guy always hurts some cute pets. Kitties, doggies, birds whatever. That’s how we are supposed to understand that he is Bad. Hey, we all know that Chuck is bad. Why to add something? To mess with Destihellers? Not helping here. 6) The moment with Luci instead of Cas (for Dean, for Jack) could be less “haha gays” and more proper either I guess. It feels more like a mocking to me the way it is, whether the idea was good. Luci played Cas for Dean before (11x11, 11x14), as he played Jess for Sam and Sarah for Nick, and he played a father for Jack. He was in his place there - a mock from Chuck. But you can’t blame Chuck on the poor writing ALL THE TIME. 7)  Also the music. It just didn’t feel right.

8) The end for Jack is right... but also somehow confusing, like something is omitted. Or SOMEONE. You know whom.

Someone whose absence also made Michael so plain, I suppose. 

Jack’s story started with Cas, I think it couldn’t end without him. Jack was so devastated to hear about his death - and all is OK in the finale? ‘Cause he is the Almighty now? And Michael - he was also connected to Cas, we saw it in 14x10, in 15x08 - all the way actually. There should be some mentioning of Cas from Michael I think. Not from the DeanCas point of view - it’s Adam who noticed something in 15x08, not Michael, Michael was angry with Cas. But somehow their connection made Michael stronger as a character. Okay, he is not strong enough to rebel. But that’s Cas who said that! He said that he felt sorry for Michael, that it’s Lucifer who was always the smart one. 

Without this context Michael isn’t easy to understand - though we heard that Adam is erased and I liked that. That’s a hint - Michael had a strong will when he had Adam, without Adam he is lost, just like AU!Michael was. 

I think he is lost because he killed his Lucifer - in both cases. He gave Chuck his ending - and Chuck can’t respect that, he doesn’t like that. He doesn’t like to win.  So Michael couldn’t rebel though he’d known about Chuck’s motives from Cas, and not because of love, but because him being a cuck.  And all this will be much more easier to understand with Cas’s mentioning. But NO. We had a dog instead. Like WTF again??? 

The Jack’s part could be fixed in 15x20 I suppose. But not Michael’s part.  Well, sorry for him.  Now I must add the myth-arc was also connected with Cas all along. He is not just the main hero’s love interest - well, HE IS, but he has also his role in the plot. HE IS A REAL TRICKSTER of the show, the rebellious one, the rule-breaker - at all levels. So without even MENTIONING him in the main myth-arc all this arc looks like a card house, and not as proper as Luci’s card house from this ep was. 

This arc deserved much more better. It deserved Cas as a trickster. Don’t like him even mentioned ‘cause he’s also Dean’s love interest? Well, say good-bye to a proper myth story. And that’s a shame, in my opinion. 

‘Cause 15x20 could be 15x19 and vice versa and both eps could win ‘cause of that. 

Well, that’s the reality we live in. And we’ve got so much goodness already. We should be thankful for that. 

9) Who the hell is curved Jack and Cas’s names on the table? Sam and Dean? Jack? With Mary, it had sense, with all these flashbacks. I understood she curved her name herself. What’s for Cas and Jack? What’s the point? Dead for good? I know that’s NOT the point. So what is it? I can’t understand it here. 

We need continuation, guys! :)

[eisforeidolon]

I’m literally so sorry for sending so many asks 😭 this is the Spanish anon again. i was talking about it with my sibling and she made a very good point about how most dubs are done BEFORE the English version. we mostly watch dubbed stuff because our parents speak mostly Spanish. and what is usually done is they read off of the original script, so if a dub and sub are different it’s because the script was later changed.

I’m not sure if this is the case because just everything surrounding this is insane but.. I do think this is plausible. I’m very glad they possible removed the “reciprocation” in English. but also this just furthers my opinion that destihellers actually do real harm LOL like if not for them and their insane harassment that never would have been in the script

I don't know where your siblings got that idea, but that's generally not how it works. Dubbers do their work after scenes are filmed because part of their job is matching to the lip movements of the actors as much as possible to make it look less visually awkward.

Furthermore, and let me see if I can find the links, but the Spanish dubbers have straight out admitted that they made the changes themselves because they didn't like the way the scene left it hanging. Not only that, but a few people from the base production have explicitly clarified they saw all versions of the script and literally none of them had Dean reciprocating - including Misha himself. Yet hellers keep trying to spread this conspiracy nonsense that the evil homophobic CW was the reason their crack ship didn't happen and people who haven't seen the receipts get suckered into believing it. There may be more, but this is what I could easily dig up: [X][X][X][X]

Also, no need to apologize about the asks, I don’t mind!

[angzlicas]

heeey it's me, educate me please 👉👈 so first of all you don't have to be sorry! it's totally okay to spend some time away from internet i completely understand that :)

i was wondering what's the difference between deancas/destiel/heller/destiheller? o_O

is 'Heller/Destiheller' is an insult? i saw someone who was offended by that. I'm so confused? do we still hate on j*hn or are we past that? the lamp? the g*nshot? whaaat? it's like i was frozen for a century :D

hi again anon! okay so deancas and destiel is just the dean/castiel ship. destiel is used a lot more commonly tho. heller is just a shortened version of destiheller which originally was an insult created by the bibros (those who think the show should only be the brothers) and w*ncests shippers. we’ve reclaimed the name and that’s why we call ourselves hellers. everyone still has their own opinions on john and the lamp was an inside joke about cas being the lamp to dean’s moth due to a scene where a lamp illuminated the empty half of dean’s bed. -g*nshots is a “joke” abt how the writers/network silenced jensen and k*lled dean and cas off before they could say anything or dean could come out- not super serious. that’s about it!

[salt-and-burns]

once again hellers being pieces of shit

I'm sorry, I HAVE to post these because this here is further proof that hellers are actually queerphobic. Not my screenshots *

So... saying that he's pushing heteronormativity is insanely queerphobic. These people are biphobic. They're pushing the same narrative as someone who says a bisexual man who's been in a relationship with a man once before is straight because he is currently in a relationship with a woman. Hellers think Cas is gay, which makes that bi erasure. Castiel was IN LOVE with Meg. That was CANON. If she didn't die, they had been planning on having sex.

Endverse Castiel had orgies with women. Cas and Hannah kissed, and he had this soft fondness for Hannah, which continued when Hannah took a male vessel. He also had sex with (April?) a female reaper.

Beyond that, Castiel has no gender. He answers to male pronouns because he is in a male vessel. Being that he is genderless, all his relationships could be considered queer. Especially his relationship with Meg. Meg has possessed male and female bodies, as has Castiel. Azazel called Meg his daughter, but Meg could have honestly been anyone before she was a demon. We never learned Meg's real name. We never knew anything beyond her first vessel Meg Masters.

Megstiel is a QUEER RELATIONSHIP. So by calling Megstiel heteronormative, you are being queerphobic. You are erasing a CANON QUEER RELATIONSHIP for an unrequited fanon relationship between a heterosexual man and a genderless being possessing a male body. Bi erasure is real, it's harmful, and all the hellers seem to love to do it. I'm disgusted.

Beyond that, MC's own fans are threatening to kill him over a ship. What does that tell you about them?

[princesscas]

That N*ncy and her crew came at me for making a parallel post and started abusing and mocking me and they didn’t ever give me a chance to explain I was pointing out the differences between the two moments. They made me leave the fandom as a result because I was so upset and shocked by their hostility to someone who literally just made that one post. It was crushing...

UGH JESUS CHRIST- Alright strap in, this is a loooong one ‘cause I need to let out some steam. *Puts on some (live!) Alice In Chains while I write this* 

First off before I delve deep into this: I’m so, so, so, sorry that happened to you. You never, ever, ever, deserved that nor anyone else. Block them. I’ve had N & Crew blocked for years (even another blog when N’s original blog got removed by Tumblr, yes that happened) I would not be surprised in the slightest if N talks about me and others on here but I wouldn’t know thanks to that wonderful button. 

I’ve noticed over the years that they love to prey on smaller blogs and people new to the fandom. They love to scare people away, just like you. no matter what. You like Cas? “You’re a Casti-ewer!!” You like Deancas? “Leave destiheller!” You like Mish? “Ew, a minion!” You like Gen & Danneel? “Go away beard stans!” I’m not exaggerating on those names. They’ve made up countless names and the mockery they do is outright disgusting. In fact, just last night while I was on a block-spree, N made a comment on a post saying she couldn’t stand working at Staples because her co-worker was, and I quote, "worked with a castiheller, we didn’t get along that well.” Jesus, leave the poor guy alone with his opinions on the show, would you? This is what they do. Ordinary fans off the street aren’t even safe. Think the show got better once Cas or another character was introduced? You are now their enemy.   

Many fandoms have toxic sides to them, I know and I’ve seen others even when I wasn’t too involved with them. But the ‘Bronlies’ side of the Superdooperbloop fandom? This shit is on some new levels kind of toxic. You can’t reason with these people. No matter what, they will twist your words and spin their bullshit around like they’re better than everyone else. 

I said to that hate blog, use a blacklist addon (heck, I think Tumblr has implemented this feature now) and what did they say? "Learn how to be a civilized and productive member of society instead of a spoiled entitled brat. There is something seriously wrong with them.” The fuck? I came off as nice as could be and they threw that up right in my face. It’s impossible. I’m legit concerned with these people. If this is how they treat others on the internet, what the hell do they do in real life? That’s scary. 

They hate any and everyone who writes fanfic with Canon-Divergence. (or art or anything for that matter) They spew this bullshittery: “You forget the REAL Canon.” I feel like I’m going to turn into Doom Guy levels of rage at that. 

They yell, ‘This isn’t canon therefore you can’t do that.’ It’s utter bullshit because they don’t consider what happens in the last seasons (4 above and 13+ especially) canon. It’s 3000% hypocritical. Also 2) They say we can’t have destiel but they can go on their merry way with w////t. I don’t ship shame, that’s not who I am but some of them ship w/////t as underage in some of the more fucked up ways imaginable. I’m not talking AO3 Teacher/Student fucked up, I’m talking...I’m stopping right there no one needs to know about that. 

They exclude (and hate) every single character except Salmon and Deer. It’s like they refuse to realize that these character have other relationships. They claim time and time again that Deancas shippers have harassed the cast/crew/writers when the reality is the complete opposite. The shit Gen, Danneel, and other female cast members have faced is criminal. 

I wish N*ncy4*4 and Co would just give up and leave already. Jen, Jar, Mish, Danneel, Gen, Rich, and the entire cat has said time and time again, they do not like nor endorse that side of the fandom. Gen and Danneel especially because they’ve personally faced that crew since they’re both on Instagram now. These people...act like Jar and Jen don’t know nor realize they don’t want them in the fandom. 

God, I long for the day after the show ends. Imagine when Mish and everyone can just...talk about things they weren’t able to before. I don’t know if they would talk about it but I’d give anything for it to happen. Mish esp with the way he’s been treated over the years. 

I don’t know if you or anyone else knows about this, but she literally trash talked the orphanage in Hati that Random Acts built. Here’s a video of Misha basically saying ‘f-you’ to that post. 

Again, I’m so sorry that happened to you :( Please don’t listen to them. I know they love to claim they’re 95% of the fandom but the reality is they’re 5%. Go ask a random Souperbloop fan on Reddit or anywhere outside of Tumblr, they won’t know a damn thing about whatever these antis think. 

I’m ending this with a Reggie quote: