#slayers and vampire relationships
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So... I don't really know where to start this meta thing I'm going to attempt to write here? I suppose I'll begin with what prompted me to really think of this and want to write the whole thing: there's a new Buffyverse book that's come out, about a new Slayer (it's called "Sign of the Slayer"), and from having read some reviews for it on Amazon, I guess the MC falls in love with a vampire in it. And I should mention that I'm really not trying to knock this novel here. At all (especially since I'm sure it's a fine book). I mean, I haven't read it, so it's not fair for me to have any opinion on it as a novel at all.
My issue, however, is the whole the Slayer in it being in love with a vampire thing. And it's definitely not the first thing to do it. And that's my problem: that this is sort of starting to become a trend.
I'll admit that I got into Buffy the Vampire Slayer pretty late (namely because I was too young to watch it when it was airing). I think I first watched it and Angel around 2018, or something like that. And I knew from cultural osmosis that both Angel and Spike where characters who were vampires in the show, and ones that would be love interests for Buffy. And I just remember feeling before watching the show, "She's a vampire slayer and she has a relationship with two vampires? She must not be doing her job very well." And I felt like the show would be something like The Vampire Diaries, True Blood, and/or Twilight (Bella doesn't have two vampire love interests. Rather it's a paranormal love triangle between her, a vampire, and a werewolf, but you know what I mean)... when that couldn't be further from the truth.
Joss Whedon himself said that he felt that when he was doing the Buffy and Angel relationship that, yeah, it was a bit of a cliché: but it felt like one he had to do: one, because the chemistry between Sarah Michelle Gellar and David Boreanaz was off the charts. And two, that it was just kind of too perfect, that Buffy would fall for the one person that she was meant to destroy.
And you know what? I definitely think Buffy and Angel worked, for the most part. Buffy started to fall for Angel before she knew that he was a vampire, so it was probably impossible to halt those feelings even when she did learn the truth. Whereas Angel is taken to see Buffy when she's Called to be the Slayer, and it gives him something to fight for for the first time ever, really.
After a hundred years of just wallowing in guilt because of the things he did after getting his soul, he now realizes he can do more--and try to make amends--by helping her in the good fight, and trying to help this poor girl who wouldn't have much of a chance without him, and who has no idea the things she's really about to face.
And when he sees her parents fighting about her that night (the first night she had to sneak out to slay a vampire), about whose fault it was their child snuck out, Angel sees himself in her--because his own life used to be like that. And he wants to protect her from some of the fall-out of what happened to him.
Then they meet and fall in love (partially because they can understand each other like no one else can, in that both of them are creatures who neither fully belong in the human or demon world. There's a demon in the Slayer, too)... the vampire thing is revealed, and they realize there can never be anything between them and try to stay apart, but can't.
They truly start dating in S2, and are happy, but then they learn more about the curse that was put on Angel that returned his soul: if he ever experiences a moment of pure happiness, he'll lose his soul and become a monster again. Which happens, because he loves Buffy too much (after one night of passion between the two). So Angel and Buffy become enemies, and when he eventually tries to destroy the world she has to send him to Hell.
He does come back a year later (with his soul back, after Willow restored it). And they try to make a go at it again, but they can't ever really be together--and deep down, they know they're kidding themselves and there's no real chance for them--and eventually Angel leaves for his own show, to continue fighting in L.A. instead of Sunnydale (after Buffy's given him the confidence that he really can do good). And they'll have some crossovers after that: always being there for the other, if the other needs them and connected.
It works because their story is tragic... and that they know a Slayer and vampire can't be together. There's also just something so deep and profound, that Buffy and Angel are perfect for each other, in that they'll always put the fate of the world before their own selfish desires--as any good person should--but that's the exact reason they can't be together.
But then, later, they try to do stuff with Spike... And even when I was more of a Spuffy fan, it still worked less for me and I was starting to feel that, "This is giving Buffy a bad look" thing (even if I get how people might argue it instead shows that she realizes the world isn't black and white). Like, writers, if you're saying that Buffy and Angel can never work/should never work because Buffy's a Slayer and Angel's a vampire, why are you almost acting like that's not true of Buffy and Spike, then? And the fact that this becomes Buffy's second vampire lover... like I could accept one, the way they handled it. But two? Really?
There was Buffy and Dracula stuff, of course, too. And Buffy definitely didn't have feelings for Dracula, as she was under thrall the whole time with him. But he's the only vampire she ever drank the blood of. And there was probably supposed to at least be a physical attraction, since originally they'd planned to cast Freddie Prinze Jr in the role.
Then in Boom's first Buffy the Vampire Slayer AU, Xander got turned into a vampire and Buffy wasn't sure if she loved him or not.
And people probably don't count this--and probably for good reason--but Ford was someone Buffy had a crush on before she came to Sunnydale... but in dying of brain cancer (and not wanting to die a slow, painful death), and knowing Buffy was the Slayer, he came to Sunnydale and made a deal with Spike and Drusilla that he would lead her into a trap for them if they changed him. And he succeeded in this... even though she escaped, and they of course didn't get to kill her, so they turned him, and Buffy had to stake him at the end of the episode.
In the "In Every Generation" series, Frankie likes a demon (Aspen, as well. These two Slayers are in love with the same one). But, I guess, at least that's a demon instead of a vampire to make it somewhat different.
And I'm worried the new Slayer in "Slayers" will be in love with a vampire...
I also just know that if the Buffy the Vampire Slayer reboot show would have happened (if it had been a sequel, instead of a reboot. Because if it would have been a reboot, I would have been okay with Buffy falling in love with Angel again. Even though I would have wanted it to be just Angel. Or Angel and Spike combined into one character for the aforementioned reasons. -shot-), they would have had her fall for a vamp, too.
(I haven't finished reading "Slayer" and "Chosen" yet. So far, I'm not getting the impression that Nina will fall for a vamp, because she's so anti-Buffy, but I could also be wrong. And maybe this could be part of her character development, in realizing the world isn't in black and white as she thought. IDK. I'll keep reading.)
Let's also not forget Faith hitting on Angel and Spike. Though, to be honest, I'm less inclined to count this... because I think we all know she really didn't want them, but Buffy instead.
But, I mean, can we stop? I thought our Slayer Buffy having a thing for a vampire was supposed to be special?
And now, for the heck of it, I'm going to go through any Slayer I can think of who has had a thing for not just vampires (but also those, of course), but a magical being:
The Slayer in the "Girl in Question," who was not Buffy, who slept with the Immortal.
In Buffy season 8, the "Twilight" prophecy is talked about. It seems like a Slayer was meant to have sex with a vampire for this prophecy--this was a part of the next stage of evolution--and they were then meant to evolve even more together (into gods, create a new world together, etc.). This is clearly Buffy and Angel, but I guess there was one point where a group of Watchers had thought it had happened earlier than this--and the prophecy was coming to pass--and they all killed themselves because of it. So was there some sort of vampire and Slayer romance back then (probably not. The comics at least make it clear that Buffy was the first Slayer to ever have sex with a vampire). Unless it was romance between these two (at least temporarily), and it just didn't go as far as sex. Or maybe it was none of this, and they didn't know that part of the prophecy (about Twilight happening because of love because of a Slayer and vampire) at all yet.
Kennedy with Willow, who is a witch.
In one of the Buffy "Tales of the Vampires" comics, this guy and this girl are best friends (it's also pretty clear they like each other). The guy gets turned into a vampire, however... He then finds out his best friend was a Slayer (this is after Buffy activated the Slayers in S7). The two of them are fighting at the end of the story, and it ends on a cliffhanger about who will win. But you kind of get the sense that the vampire will, and that he'll turn the Slayer.
Melaka Fray, at the very least, acknowledges after Angel has this powerful leader moment why her sister Erin thinks that Angel and Spike are hot, even if she still thinks she's a deviant for it. LOL
Satsu with Buffy, who is a Slayer.
Faith with the hitting on Angel and Spike, mentioned above, while surely really wanting Buffy. She also got with Robin Wood, who is the son of a Slayer and has some slight powers because of that. And I also swear there was something between her and Gigi in the comics, who was another Slayer. And that, maybe, the comics were hinting at something between her and Willow in the end.
Gigi: I feel like she and Faith had some feelings for each other (both of these girls being Slayers). And it also seemed like Gigi felt for her one guardian figure (it's been a while since I've read S8). Who was some sort of warlock or sorcerer, who ended up betraying her in the end?
Edit: And, yes. I get why some probably think these relationships work best for Slayers, because Slayers have demons in them and vampires and demons do too, obviously. Or because Slayers have super strength and these beings are strong like them and won't get hurt, and that's fair. (People also find Slayer/human relationships boring, the way they've been portrayed in the Buffyverse.)
But I still think Slayer/human relationships could be done (and at this point, it would actually be more original than pairing a Slayer with a demon): like look at how people love the idea of the Buffy Summers/Dean Winchester crossover ship. It can be done. It just needs to be done right.
#we don't know who robin wood's father was but i assume he was human#i want to headcanon some other relationships here but i won't#in 'child of the hunt' it becomes clear that the 'erl king' loved the slayer lucy hanover but it definitely seemed like she didn't love hi#though. to be fair. we don't get her pov of it at all. but i really doubt it since he took her captive until she escaped and all#i mean that's what the wild hunt does. but still#buffy the vampire slayer#slayers#slayers and vampire relationships#slayer and demon relationships#slayer and supernatural creature relationships#i guess i might as well mention my one headcanon here since i edited the post to list some of the ones i have after all. but this truly is#headcanon heavy--and i don't really know if it's much canon at all. so that's why i'm not putting it the post itself--but i wonder if nadir#might have had slight feelings for the slayer that she was so adamant that angel find a way to bring back or she would kill him#the one who was maybe youngest of their group but was also the sweetest and best person you would ever meet according to them or something#like that. who became an unwitting pawn/victim of eyghon's#the slayers
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BEST OF BTVS: Buffy Summers — Season One
#btvsedit#btvs#buffy the vampire slayer#buffythevampireslayeredit#creations#buffy summers#dailybtvs#slayerdaily#buffysource#BestOfBTVS#yeah yeah new series.#this is basically going to be akin to a buffy gif meme but instead of like '5 relationships. 6 characters. 2 locations' etc#im just going to do what i want lmao
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does anyone else think about Spike and Giles looking at each other and seeing a personification of the most despised and vulnerable aspects of their own past or is it just me
#btvs#i'm so serious bc they're perfect foils especially when their relationships with buffy are to be considered#spike vs the ripper. rupert giles vs william pratt#they're the same. just the same. they just had an opposite and equal evolution and they can't imagine anyone doing it the other way#spike btvs#rupert giles#buffy summers#one knows exactly where unrestrained recklessness and hedonism lead and wants to steer her away from that#the other knows exactly what a prison societal expectations and repression can be and wants nothing more than for her to break free of them#i'm about to start gnawing bricks#buffy the vampire slayer
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xander having an obsessive crush on buffy and being constantly judgy and weird about her all the time is such a shame because the few times they let them be normal friends their dynamic was top tier. like in episodes where just the two of them have to work together to figure something out and they actively make each other stupider. it's delightful.
#bad eggs and the freshman are both really good buffyxander episodes#i wish that was what their relationship was all the time#buffy summers#xander harris#btvs#buffy the vampire slayer
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The scene lives in my head rent free lmao. Also, really wanted to draw them all together so they are being their sad selves
#buffy summers#my art#buffy the vampire slayer#fanart#digital art#buffy#buffy fanart#buffy fandom#buffy rewatch#buffyverse#willow rosenberg#xander harris#buffy season 1#the scoobies#the scooby gang#buffy btvs#btvs#let’s face it#none of us are going to have a normal happy relationship#we’re doomed#love this scene#one of my favorites
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You mean? I mean.
#series#btvs#btvs season 4#buffy#buffy cast#buffy edit#buffy the vampire slayer#buffyverse#buffy summers#whedonverse#btvs rewatch#btvs cast#tvedit#00s fashion#00s series#00s tv#00s tv shows#willow x tara#tara maclay#amber benson#lgbtq community#LGBT#lgbtqia#lesbian characters#lesbian community#lesbian relationships
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Maybe they can make it work this time for real
#buffy the vampire slayer#btvs#rupert giles#ethan rayne#gethan#old man yaoi#it ends how it always ends 😭 Giles gets too emotionally invested snd Ethan does something awful#andy drawz#i have suxh a clear vision of their relationship in. my head#its loving a past version of someone vs loving a version of someone that doesn’t exist#idk. LOL. i’ll stop psychoanalyzing old man yaoi
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spike and buffy having a heart to heart about their intimate night together and how spike has never been close to someone until then and buffy saying he gave her the strength to do the right thing and the emotion bleeding off of them in waves and they’re both terrified and unwilling to define why…
…being immediately derailed five minutes later by angel deus ex machina-ing into the episode to be a savior and share a passionate kiss with buffy?? what is the plan here get angel out of here he did not need to be there
and then spike watching from behind the cuck pillar i mean give my guy a break istg
dont even get me started on buffy just coming back to the house and everything being all chummy? she doesnt get a single moment to sort through the fact they kicked her out.
i am experiencing a frustration
#im sorry i was so on board with this episode and then angel appeared out of nowhere? like if he must be there sure but no buildup?#and then kissing buffy? idk i dont even dislike angel that bad but like. the bangel randomly making a reappearance is so contrived to me#let buffy experience emotions about being kicked out and having a complex morphing relationship with her punk vamp!#why must angel be shoehorned in at the last moment!#aly speaks#btvs#btvs 7x21#buffy the vampire slayer
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Literally all of Faiths mommy issues could have been fixed if she literally just got to meet Jenny Calendar
#I’m only mostly joking on this#like I don’t think she’d necessarily stay on the ‘good’ side but it would certainly be so much more complex#and it would be more to add into Buffy and Faith not getting along because of Buffy and Jenny’s complex relationship#PLUS MORE JENNY CALENDAR LITERALLY CALL ME GILES CAUSE IM IN LOVE WITH HER#and you know Jenny would NEVER EVER let Faith live alone in that motel#clearly I am completely sane about this and barely even think about this#obviously#faith lehane#jenny calendar#btvs#buffy the vampire slayer
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buffy fanart from the past few days,,,,catching up on the real hashtag classics first two are kind of mignola studies and the last ones are me enjoying oz and willow's puppy love :))
#buffy the vampire slayer#buffy summers#spike btvs#willow btvs#oz btvs#am only on season 3 its fun its lovely i know willow's a lesbian i still deeply enjoy her relationship with oz........theyre cute#cordelia's my fav but i havent really drawn her yet.......need to draw her and buffy angrily making out its IMPORTANT#when her and xander first hooked up do you know how frustrated i was it wasnt with buffy. hungry for yuri#i lvoe spike also obviously hes very fun. i think he and constantine from the dc verse would fuck#also. oz. most transmasc guy ever. that is all
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#girlhood#gaslight gatekeep girlboss#female hysteria#im just a girl#hell is a teenage girl#lana del rey moodboard#lana del ray aesthetic#alana champion#sofia coppola#cinnamon girl#buffalo 66#buffy the vampire slayer#tumblr girls#im just saying#girl blog aesthetic#girl interrupted#manic pixie dream girl#female manipulator#toxic relationship#lana unreleased#this is what makes us girls
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sometimes I think about dawn being like. she IS it takes a village child. except the village fucking sucks and is not equipped to raise her in the slightest bit
#when the village is all poorly adjusted barely adults and the child is a bratty teenager who is continuously Going Through It#honestly it's a miracle dawn didn't turn out worse#she has a lot of people who love her#but have absolutely NO idea what to do with her#sometimes I think about how hurt anya was when she found out that dawn was stealing from her shop#she wasn't just hurt she was flat out betrayed. what did we miss between them that would cause that much emotion?#how much did we miss between dawn and everyone actually?#I adore dawn's relationships with the scoobies. I think about it so much actually idk how I've not posted more about it#I will probably continue not to post about it either. but I'll keep thinking about her#dawn summers#btvs#buffy the vampire slayer
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BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER 6x19 | “Seeing Red”
#btvsedit#btvs#buffythevampireslayeredit#buffy the vampire slayer#creations#buffyseries#dailybtvs#willow rosenberg#tara maclay#dawn summers#tillow#as a Dawn Fan^TM#i really really love her relationship to tillow. like obviously i am no. 1 fan of the spike/dawn relationship#and everything it carries. but people really like to raise up spike as dawn's caretaker during The Summer#but the throughline that is dawn living with tillow and tara making the pancakes and their little impromptu family.#and how dawn is the main one carrying that dynamic after buffy is back.she's still SO invested in the family they built while buffy was gon#this scene in SR really sets up the gut punch that is dawn's reaction to tara in Villains#bc buffy is dawn's sister. but honestly so are tara and willow at this point. dawn's support system is all of buffy's friends but#particularly a special place for tara/willow/babysitter spike#buffysource
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This is my vision for the s5.5 Willow drags Faith out of jail to Sunnydale to be interrim Slayer while she's working on the Buffy res AU.
#this is just a wip but i'm really into it#not pictured is dawn who hates all of this#willow steps on faith and faith is really into it#they make each other so much worse#faith came out of prison with the clothes on her back so willow had to buy her new clothes#because dawn would start murdering people if faith was going around in buffy's clothes#and this is canonically what willow thinks of faith's fashion sense#if they're lucky this will end in faith awkwardly and accidentally being inserted as a third in willow and tara's relationship#faith thinks its cute that tara thinks that her being kept chained up in the basement and only let out for slaying is unethical#faith obviously thinks its what she deserves#also yeah sure this is continuing my faith in a collar agenda but this time with added handcuffs#btvs#buffy the vampire slayer#faith lehane#willow rosenberg#tara maclay#buffybot#art#my art#i will try and write the fic associated with this i have a prologue already it can be done#wip
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Good talk, ladies! See you in the Bridgeport tabloids!
Elvira, texting: Hey hottie! Wanna hang tonite? 🦇
Gwen: [under breath] She’d better actually show up this time.
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Elvira: I’m sooooo sorry for ghosting you, babe. I keep having to find new babysitters. They’re just too tasty to resist! Can you forgive me?
Gwen: Mm, depends.
Elvira: Oh, I want to hear all about your trip!
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Elvira: I can’t believe you went tomb raiding without me! That’s, like, totally up my alley!
Gwen: I did ask you to come. But you’ve been a little preoccupied lately.
Elvira: Oh, well, there’s always next time, right?
Gwen: Is there? It seems like you’re always busy. I haven’t actually seen you in weeks!
Elvira: I’m a working mother, Gwen, with very specific dietary needs. I can’t just drop everything at a moment’s notice!
Gwen: Well, maybe that means our lifestyles aren’t so compatible!
Elvira: What are you trying to say?
Gwen: I want to travel the world! I want to go on adventures! And I don’t want to be saddled with some needy kid!
Elvira: Don’t you dare talk about Ty that way.
Gwen: Elvira, I didn’t mean-
Elvira: If that’s how you feel, you don’t deserve to be his honorary mother! And I don’t have to stand here and take it.
Gwen: Wait-
Elvira: If I ever see your face again, Gwen Larkin, I’ll rip your fucking head off! You’d better not test me!
#ts3#sims 3#ts3 gameplay#sims 3 gameplay#gwen larkin#elvira slayer#gp: bridgeport (ts3)#i'm just following where the game leads guys 🤷🏻♀️#was it a glitch elvira ditched her so many times? possibly#but does it create good drama? ABSOLUTELY#vampires may be forever but that doesn't mean the relationship has to be!#and elvira certainly has different priorities now than when we first met her!
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I am a sucker for a good found family and Giles role as Buffy’s pseudo father figure is so sweet.
#buffy the vampire slayer#buffy#my art#buffy fandom#buffy rewatch#buffy fanart#buffy summers#buffyverse#fanart#digital art#rupert giles#their relationship#fatherly love#mentor#season 6 didn’t happen#he never left wdym#????#Giles is hot#change my mind
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