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[Conversation while Clive, Jill, and Joshua ride chocobos together]
Jill: Do you think that we ought to think of a name for each of Ambrosia's companions?
Clive: Perhaps we should.
Joshua: I already know what mine is called.
Jill: You've got a name for her already, Joshua?
Joshua: I do.
Clive: And?
Joshua: Her name is ‘Kweh’.
Clive: [with distain] You've named your Chocobo “Kweh”?
Joshua: [Looking proud and mischievous] I certainly did not. I asked her what her name was and that was her reply.
Jill: [charmed laughter] You're adorable, Joshua.
Clive: [Long suffering sigh™]
#Joshua Rosfield#Chocobo#incorrect ff16#Clive Rosfield#jill warrick#final fantasy xvi#final fantasy 16#ff16#ffxvi#bonus dialogue#Joshua rizzfield#the man will flirt with anyone#and has a surplus of stupid jokes to disarm people#it's a survival tactic for him#if people like you they do what you want#and he literally cannot turn it off#clive does not know how to cope with his brother's dumb jokes#Jill loves it#as does everyone else#except Jote#she and Clive are the same there#mine#lol#extra dialogue#ff16 chocobo
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I gotta wonder how old Clive was when they found out he wasn't the Phoenix. And what things were like for the Rosfields then.
Was Anabella a decent mother to him then? Did she dote on him the way she did Joshua and Olivier? I think she favored her two youngest most because she saw them as an accomplishment she could take pride in, like a beloved trophy or collectible that she worked hard for. Had she seen the same in Clive when he was younger? If they didn't know right away when he was born, Clive must have been 4 at the oldest when they found out he wasn't the Phoenix. To be that little and having a loving and doting mother who all of a sudden hates you must have been devastating.
And what about Elwin? We all know his love for his firstborn never wavered, but if Ana had cared for Clive in those early days, it must have been a near perfect life. To have wealth, status, the promise of a throne, a loving beautiful wife and a darling baby boy would have been a dream come true in a world and time like that. And then they come to find out that Clive isn't the Phoenix, and Ana does a complete 180 and becomes a loathsome, hateful woman in Elwin's eyes. His happy family is shattered all because the mother of his precious child decided he wasn't good enough.
Lastly of course, what about Clive? As an adult he might not have many memories from when he was little, even before Joshua was born, but what about as a teen before the event at Phoenix Gate? Would he go to his little hideaway with Torgal and remember the times when his mother was actually nice to him? Acted like she loved him? Would he long for that Anabella, who would actually look at him with a mother's love and smile at him? Had she ever held him, kissed him, called him her "darling boy"?
I can't decide what would be worse, Clive having a mother who once loved him and then scorned him, or a mother that never loved him at all
#clive rosfield#elwin rosfield#anabella rosfield#final fantasy xvi#final fantasy xvi spoilers#sometimes i just like to think about what might go through a character's head and ask if that's why they act the way they act#like i have no sympathy for anabella. she's awful. but i would love to know WHY she's awful#it's no excuse because she had probably the exact same upbringing as Elwin and he grew up to be a very good man#but the mind of a villain is so fun to explore
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when you think about it clive and flora are actually perfect narrative foils on complete accident. like what's up with that. professor layton and the completely imagined literary devices
#what did they talk about when they were alone for that one segment of uf . . . humming#i'm sure this post has been made before by someone more eloquent but i don't shut up. ❤️❤️❤️#it's like the fact that they both lose their parents at a young age#both are succeeded by a large fortune#both are incredibly insurmountably lonely in a way they are not equipped to deal with#both develop poor coping mechanisms (though one notably more poor than the other . . . el oh el)#both develop a one-sided codependence on layton (or rather. more like the Idea of him. the concept he represents)#they also both spend a lot of screentime poorly disguised god bless ❤️#flora just seems to shrink inward while clive. Well#flora is seemingly willing to accept any type of mistreatment so long as she's told she won't be left alone again#whether because she can't bear the alternative or if she genuinely believes them every time is debatable#she's fine with being temporarily abandoned because she is used to it. as long as she's kept around some of the time she's fine#but clive internalizes every slight and files it away in some increasingly grandiose and frankly childish revenge fantasy#on a small handful of people that HAVE wronged him and a couple hundred thousand that never will#everything he sees is taken as proof of a worldview he doesn't even seem to necessarily hold himself#that at the end of the day is simply a manifestation of a seeping debilitating loneliness#they both have people that care for them. but not really in the type of way they need or want#i have more to say but . . . alas. not intelligent enough for it#my point: both of these characters ard the same coincidence? i think not. Transgender;#t#professor layton
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Clive is definitely trans
Don't know if transmasc or transfem but is trans
SO SO REAL I usually go to transmasc
Cosplaying a little boy well enough that no one notices. The ultimate form of passing. The gender euphoria when Layton calls him my boy (I don’t actually remember if he does in canon. But he’s got to at least once. To me)
#Luke is gender enough#Luke IS gender envy#also fun fact. when I was little Clive was my favorite guy#couldn’t tell if I wanted him or wanted to look like him#same w claire. she was my gay awakening#At the ripe age of like. nineeee I want to say#I was playing the games before that but not. really thinking about it#thasks#thposts
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I am thinking SO HARD about these two's dynamic (I was supposed to have a second piece with them harassing Dimitri but I'll spare him for now)
#Clive wanting to know more about his hero but hating/avoiding personal talk. Opening up is complicated but it feels necessary#Claire finding comfort in talking about the life she used to lead. Quickly realizing that she can't say much cuz what if it's different now#Them both holding to past events and perceptions.#Claire's life is gone now and everything's changed. Everyone has moved on yet she's still stuck here.#Clive can't move on because everything is still the same. Corrupt politicians single-minded scientists selfless Layton. Nothing has changed#clive dove#Claire Foley#professor layton and the unwound future#professor layton and the lost future#unwound future spoilers#lost future spoilers#My art#Time duo#(<- Complementary to the time trio tag)
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Having beaten the game again, I am further convinced that Joshua lived and Clive died.
#ooc ; out of character#[[ 'jill smiles when she looks out at sea she just see clive' ]]#[[ jill is smiling at the sunrise because it literally stopped happening during primogenesis and it's a sign the world has been saved ]]#[[ narratively it makes zero sense for clive to see the joshua flashbacks and then not give his life to resurrect him ]]#[[ it bookends clive's story perfectly ]]#[[ 'but books says clive will be a writer' if you talk to him he says the same thing about joshua ]]#[[ that joshua could rival moss ]]#[[ and i just also think it'd be really weird for clive to!!! take on joshua's name after his death ]]#[[ anyways that's it that my tedtalk ]]
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Happy little shop of horrors month everyone. I know I could've waited like 6 days to post this on little shop day but y'know. some things can't wait
I am not normal about the '86 movie
#professor layton#clive dove#emmy altava#dimitri allen#leon bronev#clemmy#little shop au#decided to keep the greek chorus mostly the same except. hey. hey who's that in the middle#obviously the nature of emmy's relationship with bronev is different from audrey's and orin's#in this he's an abusive father figure that she can't move away from because she doesn't have the money. fun!#I imagine emmy's 'somewhere that's green' would be very different as well#probably dreaming of traveling the world or somethin
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Does anyone want my friends I don't want these two anymore.
#⸢ 𝐎𝐔𝐓. ⸥#⸢ Like can you image Clive in shorts socks and crocs like she really called his shoes crocs. And it doesn't help my case because the dye??#like IT DYES THE SOCKS IN THE SHOES NOW I'M BESIDE MYSELF...#The one on the right is the same friend that said Cid looks too much like David Beckham and it's throwing her off so she's on thin ice⸥
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My biggest takeaway from ff16 is that this writer should never be allowed to touch a woman ever again.
Important female characters are all either over the top ridiculously stupid evil, or basically a sad sexy lamp - and both are ultimately just a means to including rape in the story. Because you know. This is dangerous medieval magic Europe, where every girl got raped all the time!
The M rating on this game is actively hurting it.
#don't get me started on the rest of this writing#it's lazy writing#at best#gratuitous time skips instead of dealing with the interesting consequences of our actions#the fact Jill could be a lamp and change nothing#the fact i am pretty sure if it was just clive and torgal the story would be the same just without sadgirl heterobait#like the drake's breath stuff? i thought we'd play as jill they made such a big deal#but no it's another clive battle while fully transformed shiva... makes an ice wall and that's it#criminally under used as a character#she's like cheap knockoff ysayle - with any quality aside from sadgirl chopped off#the outfit is a knockoff and so is all her design#ysayle but shit#frankly at this point i think 15 did a better job - since there was only ONE girl to do wrong#but seriously this game's writing is... bad#ff16 spoilers#i don't know if anyone following me is playing but tag in case
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Jill x getting her own flashback cutscenes. --the crackiest of ships.
#𓆩ꨄ︎𓆪𓆙𝘴𝘪𝘱𝘴 𝘤𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘦𝘦 | ooc#I am kinda sad we never see how things went for her before she reunited with clive#she only 'talks' about#same with Joshua#I would've liked to see how he was 'found'
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thinking about the women of ff16 as a woman enjoyer
#thinking a lot about jill’s character arcs in the story#about revenge and agency in particular#the love interests mostly#tend to have their story tied to the protag for better or for worse- and while that isnt a bad thing that can affect how deep the games go#into their own motivations and path throughout the story#i feel the ‘love interest’ characters really shine when they have time to breathe and go through their paths by themselves#i think it’d be cool if she and clive had slightly different motivations maybe?#a dlc where jill is the pov character and travels valsithea helping bearers in a different way clive does would be interesting#‘even though our paths are different our goals are the same’#i’m just musing about things don’t mind me ahahaha
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ffxvi im crying!!!!
#tag later#I SCREAMED WHEN JILL#HELP I REALLY CRIED I CLDN'T RLLY MAKE SENSE OF STUFF IM STILL CRYING#i swear every time a trailer comes i'm like a crying mess#ff means so much to me okay!!#CLIVE MY BELOVED MY BABY BOY MY DARLING MY DEAREST MY BELOVED MY SUN MOON AND ALL MY STARS#calling the lil kid joshua is so weird for me i'm so sorry that's the name of my cousin (technically my uncle but same age)#BUT UH. HFLAKDSFJSDKFDSJ JOSHUA :<<#his cute lil voice when he said clive im a crying mess#clive w kids clive as a knight clive clive clive clive w the dog clive w the sword clive w the eikons clive w final fantasy#i'm so sorry i think i'm gna hyperfixate on clive#thank you for the lovely music again btw i'm literally a crying mess i am seriously crying#the chocobo.... 🥹#i'm watching the trailer again n i started to ccry again i'm so sorry its just the music n then everything final fantasy about it#n clive n then the graphics n then the story n everything just makes me so happy !#i'm in love w jill btw i'm so sorry whenever she's on screen my eyes just gravitate towards her IM SO SORRY CLIVE#words cannot express how much i love each n every scene n frame so very much. just my tears#he will press on no matter how bitter the truth that awaits him 🥺 baby boy#I LOVE HIS VOICE N OH MY GOD HIS EYE IS SO BEAUTIFUL!!!!#n the world is so beautiful.. i love this sort of fantasy so much it's incredibly special to me#oh my god i am so gay for jill i'm really. so.#when. when clive said 'the usual' IM FEELING THINGS OHMY GODDDDD#THAT IS SO HOT OF HIM IM SO SORRY IM A SIMP FOR FF CHARACTERS FR THAT WAS SO HOT ?!?!?! HIS VOICE#IM SO SORRY WTF WHAT RIGHT DOES CLIVE HAVE TO BE SO ATTRACTIVE#there is nothing more attractive that a man can do than be dark-haired in a final fantasy game. n have a pretty voice. that's all.#my standards are simple; just be fictional haha /lh#CLIVE IS CRYING WHEN HE REUNITES W JOSHUA?????#i love it when my men cry like im so sorry pretty boy can i kiss them away for you!!#..im so sorry i go feral with final fantasy if you know me irl please do not perceive this#his voice is so hot wtf usually i'm more drawn to somewhat feminine n soft voices But oh this is also one of my types fr
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How the heck is there not more talk about Tanith Lee??
Like my gosh, the woman wrote, according to her wiki, 90 books, over 300 short stories, two World Fantasy Awards, and was the first woman to win the British Fantasy Award/Augus Derleth Award and wrote for tv shows.
Like, it's not like she just wrote a heck ton but wasn't very good! She was clearly very good she won awards, and i've read a swath of her stuff across different genres and really enjoyed most of it. I mean that even if not each one has been my cup of tea I can at least appreciate the skill and quite a lot I have truly enjoyed. She's got great prose and style and imagination. Not everything obviously was a banger, but they've all been at least well written, which is harder to come by in writing than you might think.
But nobody ever seems to talk about her?? And I feel like the fantasy crowd on here would really enjoy her stuff. The woman has done stuff in pretty much every genre from what I can see, but I never see her listed on fantasy authors like Clive Barker or Diana Wynne Jones or Neil Gaiman or Terry Pratchett or Diane Duane even though she was writing at the same time and has a similar sort of '80s Doing Cool Stuff with Fantasy vibe' I feel like people who like those authors would enjoy though she's very much her own style of author.
Anyway this was really just me putting out a rant that such a prolific and talented author seems to have fallen by the wayside and I think it's really a shame
Heck she even did a witch-queen fighting againt vampire Snow White a whole decade before Neil Gaiman did his phenomenal Snow Glass Apples and it's also excellent, give a look here:
youtube
#tanith lee#fantasy authors#fantasy books#70s fantasy#80s fantasy#90s fantasy#british fantasy#British writers#i dunno how to tag i just want this woman to be remembered darn it#Youtube#i hope its ok to tag the authors mentioned#not trying to spam but like also want the fan crossover to get people interested in her again?#i dont know why i'm taking this so personally xD#neil gaiman#diane duane#terry pratchett#clive barker#diana wynne jones#vampire snow white
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how can people still be like "trobed doesn't make sense they're both straight" when like there is so much of evidence on the contrary. for one, troy and abed do not act like just friends. annie confirms they hold hands in season one, troy leaves a date with a woman he likes because she didn't like abed in season 2, they literally move in together and sleep in the same room in season 3, when they switch in season 4, the first thing they both do is look at each other's dicks and in season 5, abed's mind is set on fire by the prospect of troy leaving. abed only cries twice in the show, once in season 3 at the end of the first chang dynasty and once in season 6 at the end of emotional consequences of broadcast television. both of these were about troy leaving. in season 3, it was when troy left for the air conditioning repair school. in season 6 it was him reminiscing about troy and his departure in geothermal escapism. they always had a very deep emotional bond.
next, there's the argument that troy and abed are straight. and like what do you mean? troy has clearly shown his attraction to clive owens throughout the show, saying in virtual systems analysis (or abed playing as troy and using things that troy has said to him (still counts)) that he may as well be attracted to him and saying that he has a tumblr blog dedicated to him in the repilot. and then there's abed. i mean first we got the mixology certification, where he kept talking to a dude he knew was flirting with him for like a really long time, thought did ultimately decline when he requested they have sex. then there's the bisexual hoodie. like c'mon. literally wore a hoodie that had the bisexual flag on it for most of season 3.
troy and abed were for sure gay.
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Back to thinking about Claire and Clive and their traumas born from the same tragedy yet entirely different
You ever think about the fact that Clive's parents were (almost) never directly mentioned ? Layton mentioned them for the backstory talk and that's all, objective "they are dead" statement. And the other time we heard about them was in the flashback. In both of these cases, they're only evoked to announce their death, nothing else. We never get to hear about them in present tense, Clive himself never speaks about them. They're just... Gone. They won't come back, not thanks to revenge, not as ghosts, not even in discussions. They're dead and they'll stay dead.
On the other hand, Claire is very much alive- or at least she looks like it. Even before we get to the Claire reveal, every character keeps her memory alive. Dimitri is doing this all for Claire, Layton is a living tribute to her, Don Paolo's character is linked to her choices. She's everywhere and haunting the narrative before we ever learn that she is literally haunting the narrative. She's corporeal enough to change things yet her time is up, so really how much change can she bring ? She is stuck in this transitory state where she doesn't get to live yet can't die and disappear either. Even if she were to die once and for all, most of our characters would still have her as a driving force. She is forced to influence this story far beyond her death.
I wonder how they got along. Clive for whom death is absence, it is forgotten family and empty homes, and Claire for whom death is life persisting, loud with memories and transcending feelings.
#I think Clive fucking hated her. Yet felt close to her at the same time#He initially bonded with her as in 'she died too' but then when she actually came back he got jealous and furious#Why does she get to come back. Why her and not my parents ? Were my parents not loved enough ?#Were they not special enough is that it ? I'm sorry they didn't get a tragic enough backstory. So sorry they were collateral damage.#He resents her and she's upset too. Claire isn't furious at others like him but she's bitter that she still got her life stolen.#She's as disgusted as Clive. You wanted your parents kid ? I wanted MY kids. I wanted my fiance. I wanted my life#Of course there's something infinitely valuable and beautiful about Claire's loved ones keeping her memory alive#But there is also something deeply human and heartbreaking about it. She should have lived. She wanted to. Why is that not enough#Claire and Clive are similar in that way I think. They reek of certainty brutally ripped apart and broken pieces that won't fit anymore#Their relationship is made of intense resentment and bitterness. But it only hides the grief and loneliness killing them both#clive dove#claire foley#professor layton and the unwound future#professor layton and the lost future#unwound future spoilers#lost future spoilers#my stuff#my analysis#Time duo#Honestly I went for these two but every single character's way to deal with grief is so interesting.#I love Clive's 'My parents are dead and they're gone forever and I don't get why I should have to accept this' but they're all amazing
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as an avid cw show watcher since my teenage years (tvd, the originals, supernatural) i am such a defender of that silly little show izombie. the plot is so silly, a girl who goes to a boat party and gets turned into a zombie… then quits her job at a hospital to work in a morgue. why? so she can have access to a food supply that’ll keep her alive.
but get this: the brains she eats give her visions of the people killed, as well as some of their personality traits. once she realizes those visions could help solve the mystery of their deaths, she teams up with her fellow doctor in the morgue, ravi (rahul kohli) and a detective named clive to help put the pieces together.
to protect her cover, she presents herself as a psychic and pairs up with clive babineaux and visits the crime scenes in order to trigger visions that could solve the case.
with each brain she eats, she makes a little meal out of, which i personally have always loved to see. theyre my favorite parts of the episodes. the effects of the brains liv eats change her personality for the days she’s on the case, going from things like a stoner frat guy to a dominatrix lady. i swear this show was written on drugs for how ridiculous it is.
from liv moore’s dying and coming back to life to helping solve crimes, how in the world was this show so underrated??? it’s corny, silly, sad, funny, and even a little scary at the same time. no show has ever been this creative, especially from the cw.
liv moore’s taste buds are dead from her zombie transformation that she has to put the hottest hot sauce on all the food she eats to even taste anything. if she doesnt get a regular serving of brains, she will lose all control from the hunger and eat anything that could subside it.
i might even start rewatching soon, it’s that good. like know all the words to many episodes, that good. if this post makes any one of my followers watch it, i’ve done my job! this post was just me ranting about a silly little show that’s had my heart from the first episode. i wish i could watch it over for the first time again.
just think: a zombie working in a morgue to have a supply of brains, while also having a different personality every time she eats one. and solving crimes with her detective buddy who doesnt know shes dead.
what could go wrong!!!!!
#signed rye#izombie you will always be special to me#this is a mega dead fandom so i might just be posting to the void here#izombie#liv moore#ravi chakrabarti#clive babineaux
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