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WARNING!! MENTIONS OF VLD DISCOURSE PLEASE PROCEED WITH CAUTION!!
yo I need yâallâs opinion on the Sheith vs Klantis (or just Klance) discourse way back then??? I personally think Shiro and Keithâs relationship is platonic but I would actually like to hear other peopleâs view points of Sheith whether they shipped Klance or Sheith or none.
Iâm relatively new to this fandom (I started consuming vld media in late 2022), and god even I know the fandom way back then was crazy.. people definitely took it too far.
Also Sheith isnât incest??? Maybe itâs weird for some people (including me) but câmon they arenât even related đđđ
WTFâŚ. People thought Plance was pedophilia?1!1?!1?11! Pidge was like 15 and Lance 17 at the start of the show and the law in the us says an 18 yr old and a 16 yr old can date, just no hopping on the vegetablesâŚ.
Yooo klantis were crazyyyyyâŚ. Now I understand why klance gives people PTSD
Anyways⌠just tell me about how you interpret shiro and Keithâs relationship and why
(Also I havenât watched VLD past season 3 so I donât know a lot of the lore..)
#voltron#vld#vld lance#vld keith#vld shiro#vld Pidge#klance#laith#sheith#plance#discourse#vld discourse#klantis#shaladins#is that the right term#both of them are negative#but I think shidge is pretty problematic#because yo she was 15 and shiro was 25#but yeah
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i think one of the symptoms of being extremely online from the age of 10 is that u will one day no longer be the loneliest little girl in the universe who only has fun doing online fandom discourse. and instead you will have real life friends and a girlfriend and career ambitions. but a part of you yearns for the freedom of being 13 with a popular voltron blog or 11 with a popular frozen fanfiction. itâs so strange.
#my post#like damn i guess having no good friends in childhood and being a weirdo fat dyke at a conservative school#while at the same time finding friends and community (in a loose sense of the term) in entirely online spaces#will cause you to associate the relative bliss of childhood/early teen years with shaladin discourse#and also being incredibly lonely#and you will always kind of want that
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pinned post! wahoo!!
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call me klance day (or kd for short)
they/he
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my instagram is @/kdaydreams_art (more original art, no vld stuff) and @/klance_daydreams (regular vld content)
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im not here to hate on things but dni if:
you are a shaladin or any sort of proshipper and also if you are a creep and/or a hater
people 20+ y/o can follow, send asks, and all that stuff but please don't dm me unless i reach out first
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:D horray!
#please like if you read !!#pinned post#credits to ren @catnpc for making my carrd đ ty#klancedaytalks#klancedayart#klancedaycore#<- in case people wanna clicky
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Anti and pro what. The ship discourse terms?? What do you MEAN voltron gave us the silly ship discourse words?
Antishipping and proshipping were literally coined in the Voltron fandom by the people who thought shipping Shiro with the other Paladins was weird. It comes from anti-Shaladin and pro-Shaladin.
Voltron completely changed shipping discourse. It was completely different before Voltron.
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just saw shaladin discourse on my dash in 2024 UNPROVOKED I-
I thought we were past this yall PLEASE just have a good time I'm begging u đđđ
#why r yall still holding onto this crap wth đ¤Śđžââď¸ đ#'ITS ILLEGAL-' its not REAL yall!!! none of these characters are real idk if u knew that...#oh its illegal? what r u gunna do? have lance mcclain go down to da police station and file a report against takashi shirogane?#is that what ur gonna do?#well u cant bc theyre not real sorry#please just enjoy ur shit and leave ppl alone plz n thanks
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i did NOT just see shaladin discourse in the year of our lord 2024 (affirmations) (gaslighting myself)
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In 2016, there was a push by crypto-terfs on Tumblr to spread their rhetoric to kids in fandom. You may remember this was the peak of the âDDLG is the same as pedophiliaâ thing that was going around. That was them.
At the same time as this, three major fandoms were active. Hannibal was still on-going, The Force Awakens had just come out and people were arguing about Reylo, and Voltron Legendary Defender had just started airing. The two biggest ships for Voltron were Sheith (between two men who cared deeply about each other, risk their lives for each other, and in which one character said âyouâre like a brother to meâ about the other once) and Klance (between two rivals who have a couple of instances of affection in the show, one constantly flirts with women and shows no interest in men so becomes the pet bisexual of the fandom, and who are also said to see each other as brothers). Between the fandom discourse within these three fandoms, and inundated with terf anti-kink talking points, Klance shippers hit upon a strategy for making their own ship canon: they will frame anyone who ships Sheith as somehow promoting and normalizing incestuous and pedophilic abuse by doing so.
They called themselves âAntishaladinsâ (âshaladinâ being a catch-all term for shipping Shiro with any of the other paladins, except Allura who they were usually okay with shipping him with. The fact that heâs a canonically gay man and sheâs a teenager apparently not a problem for them). With this new framing of their ship war enemies as pedophiles and active dangers to children, all sorts of harassment became justified in their mind. Dogpiling, doxxing, death threats, bomb threats, you name it. And it wasnât limited to the fandom, if any member of the cast or crew of the show expressed anything less than total disdain for Sheith and loyalty to Klance, they were targeted as well.
When this attitude spread to other fandoms, Hannibal and Star Wars especially, they changed the name from âAntishaladinâ to âAntishipperâ. They werenât against ships in general, just ships they deemed âproblematicâ which could mean anything from a toxic dynamic in-universe, to outright pedophilic grooming, to a height difference between two same-age characters. Those who thought fandom harassment was a problem and that no fictional ship, no matter how gross, could warrant this kind of abuse of real people started to call themselves âanti antiâ or âproshipâ in response.
Antishippers quickly decided that anyone who would defend the ships they hate, even if they donât like the ships themselves, is also a pedophile and an incest supporter, and doubled down on their abuse. Over the past several years, some people, including children, have been harassed to the point of suicide by antishippers over their fan fics. When the discourse migrated to Twitter, a new generation of fans saw the word âproshipâ and assumed it meant âProblematic Shipâ and therefore âantiâ must mean âanti proshipâ which is ass backwards and has resulted in even more misinformation about just what is going on.
So. Proship culture is âShip and let ship.â Itâs âYour Kink is not My Kink and Thatâs OK.â Itâs the belief that fan fics and fan arts should be clearly tagged so that people can use their blacklist tools to avoid content they donât want to see. Itâs the idea that no fictional character is worth more than a real, living person. The idea that squicks are valid but donât justify harassment. That a kid who watched Naruto and shipped Sakura with Kakashi because she thought Kakashi was hot isnât the same as a fucking pedophile. That what you like in fiction doesnât always reflect what you condone IRL. That people need to know that just because you like a ship doesnât mean that relationship would be okay IRL. That thereâs a difference between portrayal and endorsement, between romanticization and normalization, and between fetsihization and glorification. And that fourteen-year-olds shouldnât be seeking out disturbing fetish porn to try and police adults who keep it away from them to begin with.
Someone explain proship culture to me I'm old and you kids are making up words so fast why couldn't we just keep saying radical even though there was no math involved
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Every time I see an anti-shipper unironically say âShiro literally raised Keithâ, I want to slam my head against the wall.
Did we even watch the same show?
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Yeah, Weâre talking about this now.
If youâve been in the she1thdom for a while now & have followed popular she1th accounts, youâll have noticed them occasionally posting something.....weird.
Posts vaguely complaining about a certain unnamed person who seems to despise the she1th fandom, use it for profit & doing all sorts of unsavory things behind the scenes in private DMs & discord servers.....
That person is Lee CA (Glossolalia on ao3), writer of those 2 fics that have invaded every she1th fanâs dash at some point in time (âAlien Sex Fiendâ &Â âPicosecondâ).
Heâs the Cassandra Clare of the VLD fandom if CC had been caught being a creep & not just being a manipulative egotistical plagiarist obsessed with marketing.
Lee CA is about as much of a she1th fan as the infamous anti klanced is -- they ONLY care about it as a tool to boost their own popularity & will spend endless amounts of time bashing she1thers.
Thereâs a lot of posts about his whole sexual exploitation of naive minors & the whole thing blew up late February of 2019, but Weâre here to talk about Leeâs entire history. (Notes: there will be some sources, but a lot of this is really old stuff or stuff only mentioned in private servers, so theyâve been lost to the sands of time or are just things heard through the grapevine.)
To preface all of this: NOBODY saw any of this coming. At worst, Lee was a narcissistic plagiarist high off the fumes of his own success, but his attitude at no point gave off any signs that he would exploit minors in that way. (Exploiting them for profit, though - thatâs basically his whole shtick).
Lee was/is a very popular writer in the she1thdom (with fandom picking up the fanon âShiro calls Keith âcherrybombââ from his fics) & would charge professional rates for his works on his patreon, raking in around $1300 to $1600 PER MONTH for almost 2 YEARS on she1th fics alone (that isnât counting his commissions either: he charges $125 for a 5000 word fic, $150 for a fic with porn). If he doesnât hit his goal of $1600 a month, well, thatâs clearly YOUR problem for not sponsoring him enough, not his.
Yeah, sure you could save $25 for the porn-free version, but reading a Lee work without any smut is like trying to eat a bowl of nails without any milk in it.
And then he would bitch & moan in DMs to other she1th creators about how âdisgustingly underpaid he wasâ, âhow ungrateful [she1th fans] areâ or whine in she1th discords until his sympathizers ponied up enough money to pay him for another commission. Hell, he even admitted to MANY she1thers that he didnât care about she1th, he didnât like she1th & he was FURIOUS that how DARE not all his she1th fans were eager to throw their money at his original works (which forced him to go back to writing for she1th, even though he literally quit his dayjob to write fanfics full-time).
âGruelingly underpaidâ is apparently âprofessional rates for writingâ so maybe Leeâs making a statement about the writing industry. Or maybe heâs just a dick.
As an ex-supporter of his patreon, We can tell you just how horrible his tiers are. And how tiring his whole gimmick of âIâm that edgy she1th writer! Sex workers! Drugs! Alcoholism! Cheating! Keith & Shiro hating each other but having sex! Christianity is evil & homophobic! -obligatory mention of Gucci because Iâm trying to insert subliminal messages in my works to get my readers to buy me stuff!-â quickly got.
Essentially youâd have to pay $10Â per month to see anything that wasnât basically stuff youâd see on his twitter feed or tumblr. (âPay me $5 a month & Iâll post my notes & let you know what Iâm up to!â).
You also had to pay for updates to his she1th fic âPicosecondâ if you wanted him to update at a speed faster than â1 chapter every 2-3 monthsâ -- which is already stupid since itâs his fic, but if youâre unlucky & you âdidnât pay him enoughâ, heâd mention it on the post update that itâs YOUR fault that this chapter wasnât longer*!
But itâs totally fine, because he said it in a joking tone & so that makes it okay to throw shade at his commissioner like that~!
*minor issue but he artificially inflates his own word count by waxing on about the scenery or filling the chapter with long monologues, so he was ripping people off even more while shilling how âdeepâ he was
Lee later threw a fit again about how ungrateful, uncaring & cruel the she1thdom was. Why? Because his newest fic about witch!Keith, paladin!Shiro & the cursed tree with crying baby heads for fruit didnât get over 100 kudos within the span of three days.
And if you were a new fan to she1th & wanted fic recs? Heâll literally just rec his own fics & only his own fics! (Despite having connections to basically every she1th fic writer in the fandom).
Calling Lee a narcissist is a bit of an understatement.
He was also caught plagiarizing another she1therâs band fic. And, key point here:
The original fic was posted for free on ao3.
Leeâs version was patreon-only until he posted it to ao3 (after ignoring his patreon subscribers who were like âhey what the fuck, iâve read this beforeâ).
You had to PAY to read Leeâs version (& this is just a personal opinion, but do you think youâd want to pay for a passionless uncaring version of the same fic? His whole disdain towards VLD & She1th leaks out all over his writing, but heâs so good at marketing his stuff that people donât really notice it - they just think heâs being âdark & edgyâ).
He then claimed to have no prior knowledge of the fic only for people to dig up his ao3 account & find out that not only had he bookmarked the original fic, but he had also kudosed it. (Yes, heâs deleted that bookmark by now. Canât delete the kudos though!)
Lee tried to spin the whole thing as âfighting for the freedom to write whatever you wantâ just like how he tried to spin his condescending tweets about the Hanakotoba zineâs selection process as ârewarding those who worked hard at their writingâ like it wasnât just a blatant âim only picking me, my friends & popular folks & calling them the best the fandom has to offerâ cash grab.
He eventually took down the fic but not before loudly insisting that he was in the right. The other author just wanted the drama to be over with so the entire incident was settled & forgotten without much fanfare.
And then someone spoke up & mentioned that Lee had begged for nudes from underaged fans. And a whole storm of threads poured forth, many of Leeâs whiteknights vanished into the wind & the she1th blogs who had been vaguing about him for years finally gave up on him (you can only avoid someone so much if theyâre that popular & basically in every single she1th event promo & whatnot).
Essentially, it was the straw that broke the camelâs back.
Or is it?
In the grand scheme of things, this hasnât really changed much for Lee. People did write to his publisher, Oni Press, (as Lee was working on Dream Daddy with them) & while there was a response, there hasnât been much information as to how it concluded.
His patreon follower count did drop quite a bit, but Lee still has many fans who will willingly throw tons of money at him. (Besides, he was already losing followers after VLD ended - tons of people lost interest in both the canon & in fan content).
So yeah, things havenât really changed that much for Lee other than some people now refusing to support him financially or make art based on his works.
Twitter threads & posts about the whole incident:
http://archive.fo/HxI0H
http://archive.fo/N1thM
http://archive.fo/caVOs
http://archive.fo/YjBA5
http://archive.fo/2GgnG
http://archive.fo/454Ww
http://archive.fo/50f9A
http://archive.fo/EhBIQ
Fail-fandom threads about Lee CAâs attitude towards his own fans & his semi-illegal patreon (illegal in the sense that he never discloses on his account that heâs writing VLD fanfics for money):
https://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/265625.html?thread=1492373401#cmt1492373401
http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/264405.html?thread=1485573845#cmt1485
https://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/321513.html?thread=1844915433#cmt1844915433
Lee CAâs plagiarism of another author:
http://archive.fo/TM25C
http://archive.fo/ioMRF
http://archive.fo/3kymS
http://archive.fo/yw6io
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People bringing up Keithâs and Shiroâs age difference always makes me think of this Parks and Rec quote.Â
#sheith#keith kogane#shiro#takashi shirogane#voltron#vld#V:LD#Voltron: Legendary Defender#Shipping#Fanart#VLD Ship#Keith x Shiro#Shiro x Keith#Kiro#Voltron meme#Voltron comic#Sheith comic#Sheith meme#shaladin discourse#shaladin#pro shaladin#my art
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Just Anti Things: and then the whole bus clapped
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Just seeing a tweet that calls Keith a "13 years old" in the 7x01 flashback and people commenting like "oh, I didn't remember that, I forget all episodes Shallie claims as theirs, they ruins everything" and I'm kinda sad because Voltron ended five months ago, can people stop spreading misinformation especially for things they explicity says they don't remember? Sheith isn't canon, you can go and stop with this ridiculous shipwar and start give Keith his age instead of infantilizing him
Thatâs kinda funny antis are claiming to have forgotten every episode Shallies âclaim as theirsâ. Maybe we shouldâve claimed them all. I even recall an anti saying they didnât even look at the screen when Lance wasnât on it.
For real though, I donât recall any shallies ever claiming episodes as theirs, except maybe that time an anti wore a âSay no to she//ithâ shirt to SDCC and some she//ithers commented that it was funny someone wore that to what was essentially the âshe//ith episodeâ.
I really wish the infantilisation of Keith would end. We donât know what age he was in the flashbacks. To my knowledge, it was never specified, but antis always seem to HC him as very young (and force that HC onto others).Â
Iâve literally seen antis telling people outside the fandom that Shiro is 25 and Keith is 10-13, in order to get those people to side with them that she//ith is disgusting. Itâs pathetic. Even if Keith was that young in the flashback (and I very much doubt he was) then Shiro definitely wasnât 25 back then. You canât just grab ages from different time periods and call that the canon age gap.
But I guess, to them, Shiro is perpetually an adult and Keith is perpetually a small child.
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All antis are banned from shipping wlw ships until they appologize to Bex Taylor-Klaus (a nblw)
#sorry I donât make the rules thatâs just how it is#you know what itâs called when you donât respect real lgbt people and fantasize about fictional lgbt ships??#Iâll give you a hint it starts with an âfâ and ends with a âetishâ#voltron discourse#shaladin discourse#pro shaladin
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Anyways Shance is just as bad as Sheith and equally as bad. Also Shiro took in Keith and raised him and canonically referred to him as brother and even family but all you Shaladins hear is "I love you." How ignorant can you fucking be.
#anti shaladin#pro shaladin#shaladin discourse#anti shal/pil/pal#sheith#anti sheith#voltron criticism#voltron critical#vld#voltron legendary discourse#voltron legendary defender#anti voltron
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Antis: Sheith is predatory and its incest! Shipping it is bad and I'm gonna be an asshole to everyone who ships it !!
Me:
#discourse#shaladin discourse#shipping discourse#pro shaladin#pro sheith#dont take this too seriously
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Antis: You canât find Shiro attractive!!!! Heâs an Asian disabled man with a mental illness!! Finding him sexually appealing is wrong and automatically fetishy!
Shiro:
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