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Strange New Worlds: Pike and Batel are starting to more seriously date.
Me: Oh really?? Then what's Captain Batel's first name, huh? C'mon, what's her name? Just tell me her name.
#seriously what's her name#if she's gonna stepmom this ship i think we have a right to know#strange new worlds#snw spoilers#captain pike#captain batel
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Okay so im watching Hazbin to have something to talk to my little brother about: Why is all the content im seeing NOT about Charlie and Vaggie. They're so neat
#is nobody else in this fandom a dyke what's going on here#i dont care about the gay spider i care about the gay moth and gay antichrist . also that gay angel i like her too#also niffty i love niffty . dont care about anybody else tho#hazbin hotel#charlie morningstar#vaggie#chaggie#is that seriously the name we settled on . guys please
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I LOVE this scene so badly because I completely get it. Cliff hasn't stopped feeling guilty for a second over not killing Starscream when he had the chance, and he so badly wants him and Carly to keep being friends (you can TELL he cares about her so much), but Carly's trying so hard to avoid him, to avoid speaking to him, because she just can't understand why he didn't kill Starscream. She lost her father to him, Cliff lost Bumblebee and his clan to him, she just doesn't understand why he didn't take the shot, and because he can't do something that seems so crystal clear to her, she doesn't trust him anymore. And Cliff didn't take the shot because he was suffering, because the weight of everything was crushing him and he didn't want to continue a cycle of violence. The way you don't even clearly see his face in the last couple of panels, he's hurting over this whole thing.
#THESE TWO RAUGHHHHH#GOD cliffjumper gets the spotlight for the first time in a while and they gave him the most painful storyline possible#good job! I am in agony!#transformers#transformers skybound#transformers 2023#transformers spoilers#cliffjumper#seriously does carly have a last name I need to know what to tag her with#my post
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said wolf,
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#hogwarts legacy#fanart#poppy sweeting#hogwarts legacy mc#hogwarts legacy fanart#hogwarts legacy oc#seriously poppy got me instantly; she is so sweet; animals ARE involved; A N D the difference between THEIR HEIGHT CLUTCHES MY HEART BAD#i do have forest child kind of image in my mind when i created him#like what type of name is Alex Xander; maybe he was abandoned; maybe he never had a name#and that's the name he gave himself from overhearing normal child being called by their parents ; don't ask how he got that registered#it is said on wiki; she actually preferred the company of beasts as opposed to humans; that's why she was reclusive towards her classmates#maybe poppy is comfortable with him; bcs he reminds her of an animal#he looks so big; yet so gentle 🥺🥺 and probably smell like dirt oppose to other boys who smell like cologne#fsh actually i put Alex Xander bcs the family name I put in make the name looks uncomfortably long in the subtitle#and he is just very close with one of the base look u can choose from the character creation page#he just looks that good; i need to play as him#highwing#Hippogriff
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can you even call urself a real ninjago fan if you dont have at least one side character ur weirdly obsessed abt…
#dont take this too seriously lol its fine if u only like the mains#for me its gayle and vinny forver. my funnies 💖#i love bentho too. miss him like crazy#my most obscure ninjago eepy is rachel sparrow who was jays manager in between s3 and s4#shes in One book that i have not even read. but i like her bc i literally. PROPHESISED her i was like#Haha what if jay had like someone working on the show w him who he got attached to and they became friends..#And her name was .. rachel. why not#AND SHE WAS REAL. AND I DIDNT EVEN KNOW#its my hc that they stay in touch and jay occasionally asks her for like tv deals and stuff around s6#farts#ninjago#dont get me STARTED on gayle and vinny i have so much shit to say abt them.#but. theyre my favourites. theyre cute. theyre besties. theyre trans. epic
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Hi sorry yes, I was very busy yesterday and I only just saw the video, CAN WE TALK ABOUT MY BABIES?? MY LOVES??
Listen, LISTEN, full honesty, I fell in love with Firefly’s design the first moment I saw her design leaked without any context of who she was, what her lore was, etc. and seeing her get closer and closer to showing up? Seeing her in teasers especially after my love has grown for her the more I learned, has me so so excited.
And seeing her and Stelle together 😭 why are they so fucking cute?? Two silly billies
#stelle after i ship her with the most ppl#i love them#my sillies#my funny lil babies#MWAAHHH#Anyways#seeing Robin in game also made me faint a bit#shes another design I instantly fell in love with#im so excited#Im seriously so excited for penacony#UGH#sorry#firefly hsr#hsr stelle#hsr#honkai star rail#whats their ship name?#stelfire? stelfly#firestelle?#i dunno#trashbug? lol
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#sv dlc spoiler warning continues:#like seriously what's their problem?? everyone agrees ogerpon is adorable and they just had to go out of their way to make her feel bad#for no reason i feel like?? they look like THIS and everyone idolizes them#nu-uh. i don't buy it#munkidori#i also pronounced this guy's name wrong for a considerable amount of time until i realized all their names are puns on like#“everything is okay& we are not evil :)” words#hunky dory. okie dokie. serendipity. y'know
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one of the post-p5 headcanons I can most enthusiastically get behind is akiren getting more involved in tokyo’s drag scene after the metaverse collapses. it honestly just seems like a natural progression for him after “losing” the ability to be joker. he’s got a need to find that power inside him again, and drag would be the perfect way for him to experience the rush of adrenaline that stealing hearts and being the leader of the phantom thieves gave him.
akiren is interesting because he really is simultaneously self-assured and self-sacrificing. being joker is an act, but it’s an act that comes from a genuine place inside him. interesting combo! doing drag would let him wear a mask purely for his own benefit. he’d probably learn more about who he is as his own person while he’s at it— judging from the lyrics of his theme, we know that’s something he struggles with. even if he takes wearing a mask too far sometimes, we know akiren lives for the thrill of performance. he’d kill it as a queen.
lala would be his drag mother. I see it all in my head. he’d absolutely eat it up. he’s got such a gender, and I want him to use it!
#I know this has been said before but I wanted to say it too#thinking of what her name would be now…#seriously NEED more drag mama lala content#persona 5#p5 joker#akiren
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they stopped the mississippi purchase together dan and swampy told me so. besties who hate eachother
#just doodles#art#mml#milo murphy's law#vinnie dakota#savannah#do we know her full name?????#mml savannah#savannah mml#that should cover it................... younger designs for them based on the first impressions episode and what my heart tells me#dakota is like. me an the bestie!!! and savannah fucking hates him. not really but she finds him soooo annoying but deep down she cares#post-mississippi i think the timestream healed around everything and they basically had to integrate into a new timeline and went on#different paths#savannah continued to commit herself and takes everything super seriously#while dakota was like. holy shit this new timeline is goated. and its less that he slacked off but more that he was safe enough to relax#and isnt gonna let anything go to waste
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Research for an au fic I’m working on: how would Azula act and behave in a modern setting? And I don’t mean re-imagine her character within a modern context and stories. This isn’t Azula, but she’s an overachieving American high schooler with strict and overbearing parents, or Azula, but she’s the soon-to-be CEO of her father’s multinational conglomerate based in Japan or something. No, I mean how would Azula as she is in canon, Fire nation princess and all, act and behave if you simply just took her from her world and plopped her into [insert current year you’re reading this]?
#Like I wanna see what her figure out modern technology so bad#Bro is probably stunned by like microwaves and ovens and fridges and all that#imagine her saying#“How has the fire nation the smartest and most technologically advanced of all the four nations#not yet figured out the limitless potential of being able to reheat your food thus making it edible and enjoyable once again?!”#wanna see her throw an iPhone at a wall because she received a text message#and has no idea why the magical black box is all of a sudden directly communicating with her#Like the potential for comedy is endless#But also more seriously what would she make of our modern social and political problems?#And our art?#Imagine she if listened to our music? Or Watched our movies and TV shows or read our literature#it’s said in canon that she enjoyed reading a lot as a young child and spent a lot of time combing over the royal palace’s archives#Imagine her stumbling upon a modern library#She’s always been a lover of history#so I can just imagine with piles of books trying to cram our entire recorded history like she’s revising for an exam#What kinds of introspections and reflections would she have#learning about all the horrible atrocities we committed throughout history in the name of a culture or an individual or an idea?#How would she compare and contrast it all to her own upbringing and everything she was taught about her world?#Oh and the internet of course#I feel like she would go into a comatose state discovering the internet#avatar the last airbender#atla#atla au#azula#princess azula#atla azula
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au of the acolyte where the only difference is when master vernestra asked mae if "the name Osha meant anything to [her]"
mae responds, in all seriousness "the Occupational Safety and Health Administration?" while master vernestra goes through the 5 stages of grief.
#need an explanation about that name choice#not a complaint bc i think it's hilarious#seriously tho what were they thinking#WHY DID THEY DO THAT TO HER#IT'S SO FU N N Y#i would be banned from set bc i'd be making too many jokes#hope there's a blooper out there somewhere#the acolyte#star wars#the acolyte spoilers#the acolyte star wars#sorry if i spelled green lady's name wrong i don't do names
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Foodcourt Au !!! (Magic Modern Times)
w/ Percy, Oliver, Marcus, Penelope, and Audrey
to start it off it’s the summer before college. They all need jobs to tie them over before school officially starts
Percy works at Smoothie Paradise. He’d be really good at memorizing the recipes. Usually the only one on shift because it doesn’t get that busy. Has fought with a Karen at least once per shift. Has tons of overtime. He needs the money. Manager has talked to him at least for it but at this point lets him have his overtime. Percy is his only regular full time employee.
Penelope works at Cinnabon. She’s really extroverted and friendly with customers. Is very fast and efficient. Always on cashier. Is also the caller to shout out customers names because she has the loudest voice.
Oliver works at Auntie Anne’s. BELIEVES HIS PRETZELS ARE SUPERIOR!!! Runs his little store like a quidditch team. Fast and efficient. Will win. Believes in teamwork but will kick your ass if you’re slacking. Works very fast. Has the pretzel shapes engrained in his mind and hands. Can do it in sleep.
Marcus works at Wetzel’s Pretzels. HIS PRETZELS ARE SUPERIOR OLIVER!!! Works in the back, mostly is the one shaping and baking pretzels. Do not put him on cashier he has no patience. Probably has threatened to kick out customers out at least once per shift.
Audrey works at Panda Express. She loves cooking the back. She does not want to talk to customers. Will do it begrudgingly though. Half -Chinese, so she makes jokes at least once that she’s working for her people even though Panda Express is not authentic. (It’s really Chinese American.) She always cleans as she goes. Refuses to do overtime because of dishes or cleaning the floor. Will get out on time. She will make sure of it.
NOW FOR THE FUN STUFF
They all met on accident because they were closing shifts. They all had a similar break time and sat at the food court tables to eat.
Percy knew Oliver from school so they were eating together. Penelope just plopped herself down and declared she was going to be friends with them because she’s seen them around school. Percy and Oliver just let it happened. They were to shocked. Percy didn’t mind. Oliver was like bombastic side eyes. Penny won Oliver over by her knowledge of quidditch.
Penelope brought Audrey over. They were friends before. Funnily enough Audrey brought Marcus over because she likes drama. She just thought Oliver and Marcus has a lot in common.
Oliver and Marcus were Not Happy TM. They fought like cats and dogs. They growled at each other once. Percy was not amused. He locked them in a janitors closet and said to sort it out.
They did it eventually. They’re still rivals and agreed to a truce. They still fight though.
Obviously, Oliver and Marcus are rivals. They work at different pretzels shops. They go over and fight each other at their place at least twice per shift. Percy is unfortunately stationed next to them and has to stop their fights. Penelope is across from them and watches while eating her cinnamon rolls. Audrey watches exasperated but she can’t say shit because her and Penny bet on when Percy will snap or who will win the fight.
That’s all I have for now. Tell me if you want more !!!
Also in case you don’t read tags, which fair I write goddamn essays, im Chinese. So please don’t take the Panda Express joke too seriously. I make that joke everytime I eat there.
#harry potter#percy weasley#oliver wood#Marcus flint#penelope clearwater#audrey weasley#feels weird to tag her that#when I lowkey have a headcanon for her#she’s half Chinese because I said so#she’s such a blank canvas it’s interesting to write about it#I’m also Chinese#so please don’t take the Panda Express joke too seriously#I made that joke when I eat there tbh#the squad#idk what to tag them as#they might be poly eventually#we’ll see#Audrey Xu#that’s her name I’m giving her#foodcourt au#I should clarify#it’s American#rip#but also I’ll add magic shenanigans later if you want more
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Autumn Blaze stimboard? :)
Autumn Blaze Stimboard for @sleepingorchids
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#mlp#my little pony#stimboard#mlp g4#friendship is magic#my stimboards#mlp stim#my little pony stimboard#mlp stimboard#my little pony stim#autumn blaze#autumn#autumn stim#deer#deer stim#ox#ox stim#shadows#shadow stim#i seriously didn't know what to do#so uh explaination#ox & deer cause of kirins in mythology and stuff having body parts of the two#and the shadow cause yknow she named her shadow and all#and autumn stuff because *autumn* blaze
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“What does Celia MEAN the archivist isn’t acting as expected, WHAT DOES SHE MEAN?????!!”
What tf do you mean????? you cannot possibly be denying she’s TMAs Celia still???? She’s expecting it to be a fully functioning person, not a mindless zombie monster that’s killing random ass people with no rhyme or reason. She knows Jon. She’s expecting Jon. She’s confused because it’s not acting like Jon. What’s the issue here??
#seriously#someone enlighten me#this is like that post about the polteageist pokemon MAYBE PERHAPS being a tea poltergeist#like no shit#what more do you need#she teleports#she had a crazy first year here#she recognizes Jon’s voice#she’s pulling TMA character names out her fuckin ass#she knows what an archivist is#she knows about the magnus institute#she has a complicated immigration status#she can’t take Jack back with her#WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED TO ANSWER YOUR OWN QUESTIONS#tmagp#the magnus protocol#tmagp spoilers#helpimstuckrambling#celia ripley
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Worm Arc 23 thoughts:
So much happened in so few chapters, how do I even break this down?!?
First off, Colin had better stop fucking bonding with my daughter! And apologizing and making amends for past wrongs! I'm a huge fan of redemption arcs and second chances and that is being used against me! JUST LET ME HATE THIS MAN!!!!!!
My bug daughter is in prison but that's almost like, a minor side thing? It barely matters right now except that it gives some background structure. Compared to everything else the prison bit is just . . . a thing.
I'm in tears over bug horse. I'm bawling. I may never recover. RIP Atlas, you were the best of us.
TAYLOR GOES TO THERAPY!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT IS EVERYTHING I EVER WANTED!!!!!!
I love Jessica so much! She does such a good job. I want to bake her cookies as thanks but I'm not sure if that would trigger some type of conflict of interest.
Fucking Glenn. I want to hate him and love him all at the same time.
Is he an artist? Absolutely! He has a vision and it is beautiful.
But also if it comes down to "letting the world end or compromising said vision" he might be the kind of person who would watch the world burn with a tear running down his cheek, because at least it was beautiful.
Look I get it. My daughter is terrifying. But that isn't because bugs are scary. It's cause my daughter is terrifying. Making her use butterflies just means a bunch of people are gonna start having butterfly phobias.
Like come on, Clockblocker gets to break fundamental forces of the universe and cause people to question their very existence!
Do not try to tell me that someone getting time frozen and just . . . skipping a chunk of time because their mind is not part of the time stream for a few minutes would not provoke some deep thoughts of existential dread! Sure not in everyone, but not everyone is scared of bugs either! I just think it's very unfair.
The Adepts are fun. Sure powers aren't "magic" but might as well have fun with the idea! Besides it seems to be working and if I had powers I'd absolutely love to lean into a magical focus idea.
I am quite upset about the fact that during the whole Thirteenth Hour thing Weaver didn't get to shove bugs down Clockblocker's throat to save him. It would have been so poetic. Saving the day by shoving bugs down throats was still super amazing, I just wanted it to be Clockblocker.
It was the most extreme level of active awareness and minor "control" while being disabled that we've seen from Taylor so far though! Really curious to get more into that, the nature of passengers/shards, and all those things. I have so many thoughts, but they're all just speculation right now (I don't think writing 75 pages of theories that all end up being wrong is really gonna be very helpful).
“If anyone asks, you kicked their asses with butterflies.” Clockblocker gets it!
It was really cool to get more into different vibes of the world with the Vegas section! I love me some thinkers and strangers.
I'm very glad The Number Man used a sniper rifle. I would have been a little disappointed if he didn't after getting into his head in his interlude - it is just the perfect weapon for him. Motherfucker over here just bouncing bullets.
Finally got to see more Bambina after the little bit in arc 8. Her power is wild, I love it! Also Bambina's mom just shot right into the top contenders for "worst parent in Worm". Like, WTF lady.
August Prince is wild. Sucks when the most effective use of your power is "human shield" though.
Considering she had an interaction with The Number Man and Contessa, Taylor actually came out of it pretty good! Sure they lost the target they were trying to bring in, but I don't know that they really had a chance of keeping Pretender. Contessa isn't easy to stop.
The only problem I have with the Las Vegas Wards actions is hiring Bambina to break Pretender free. Otherwise ya, fucking ditch the Protectorate. Given the information they have it makes sense.
TAYLOR HAS FAN MAIL!!!!!!!!! EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!
Grue's letter was way to heartfelt. Tattletale clearly wrote most of it.
Like come on: "I could hit you, hug you, yell at you and hold onto you for hours all at the same time. It’s fitting that I want to kiss you and throttle you at the same time because that’s what you were to me for a long time. You drive me crazy and I can never understand what’s going through your head." This is totally Tattletale! She couldn't flirt with Taylor in her own letter, she had to be sneaky about it!
"You’re an idiot. I want you to know that. You’re an idiot, Skitter. You’re brilliant and reckless and I’m betting it makes sense to you to do this but you’re an idiot." - also Tattletale.
LOOK I'M GONNA MAKE THIS SHIT GAY AND THERE ISN'T ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO STOP ME!!!!!!!
Imp's letter might be my favorite.
Tattletale's actual letter ends with "See you there, hun?" Just. So fucking gay. Sorry I don't make the rules.
Speaking of gay, Rachel's letter!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wolfspider wolfspider wolfspider!
Like I mean come on
"Being around you wasn’t simple or quiet but things made more sense. Your minion with dark hair said we need to be around people but I’m around people and still feel somethings missing." GAY
"Going to take puppies to your place again soon. Show the kids to them. Might help." SO GAY
"You have plan, okay. But if your plan means you’re thinking about fighting us you should know I am getting very good at hunting and skinning things." HOLY SHIT IT'S THE MOST LESBIAN THING EVER
"We both stay alive. Try hard." TOP-TIER GAY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!
GGGGGGGGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY
AND THE SCENE WITH THE CHILDREN!!! AND THE BUTTERFLIES! AND THE DICE!!!!!!!!!!!
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Seriously, 23.4 is the most beautiful chapter in Worm so far and it'll be very hard for it to be outdone.
I could talk about just that chapter for pages. It was perfect in every way. Even if I knew it had to end with Behemoth pretty early on. There was too much hope in that chapter for it to end any other way.
But in the middle of all that downward "oh fuck it's Behemoth" stuff we got an Undersiders reunion! With so much gay!
Like - “But you guys mean a lot to me. I’m sorry I didn’t say it before, but I couldn’t without letting on that something was going on. You’re my family, in a way. As lame as it might be, I love you guys.” My head turned from Grue to Rachel to Tattletale as I said it.
SO FUCKING GAY
She starts at Grue sure but ends with Rachel and Lisa when saying "I love you". Certified gay.
So gay that even Imp agrees! Though I've been doing the long drawn out “Gaaaaaaayyyyyyy” since like arc 2. So Imp is a bit behind the curve here.
TAYLOR WANTS TO GO ON A DOG PARK DATE WITH RACHEL! IT'S THE MOST LESBIAN DATE POSSIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!
Weaver's new flight suit is pretty neat. Dragon is a pretty good big sister.
Cody Interlude thoughts:
THIS motherfucker! I was waiting for him to show up again.
I am so mad. I'm so fucking mad.
Cody is the worst. He's pathetic and dumb.
And Accord just has to go and get killed by him in the dumbest way! GOD DAMMIT ACCORD I SIMPED FOR YOU SO HARD!!! AND THEN YOU DIE TO CODY! OF ALL PEOPLE! YOU CAN'T BE COOL IF YOU DIE TO CODY!
Chevy too! I thought he was cool and all, but he had to die to Cody. God. The worst.
ALSO MY BABY GIRL HE TRIED TO HURT MY BABY! THE ONE WHO ISN'T MY DAUGHTER!
SOMEBODY HELP TATTLETALE!
I did like seeing more of the mechanics of the Yàngbǎn after getting hints about how they work in the Lung interlude.
The power sharing plus the power amplification is a pretty broken combo tbh. Feels like there is some pretty neat stuff that could be accomplished with that.
Fuck this man though. Simmy just had to whisper to him and just dove right in. Cody can't even conceptualize what fighting back means, that would require him to grow as a person in literally any way.
Sucks for the Behemoth fight though. I guess my daughters are going to have to save the day. Again.
#Worm#Worm Web Serial#Parahumans#Cairavende reads Worm#Weaver#Taylor Hebert#Dragon#Wolfspider#Chatterbug#Smugbug#I'm excited to see what super cool shit Taylor manages to do during the Behemoth fight.#And if we're lucky Cody will get stepped on#I'm happy the Chicago Wards want Weaver. I like Tecton. If she is gonna be a Ward they're the best option.#And my robot daughter can talk again! At least a tiny bit. I'm so proud of her!#I'm kinda surprised Foil wasn't already taken for cape names TBH#I'd assume at this point most short words like that would be unavailable. Like trying to make a tumblr account in 2024.#Fucking Colin#Seriously though I'm so mad at roboman over here!#He was so easy and fun to hate but he keeps actually trying to be better and I just want to hate him!#But noooooooo. Frank Miller's Armsmaster had to go and try to make amends!#Sure he still messes up a bunch so I can hang on to that for now#But he keeps improving!#I see the trajectory of his character arc. It's beautiful and I'm SO FUCKING MAD!#. . . I'm being trolled in real time by a 13 year old book. 5/5 stars.
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hi I love your tags so so much! they were so sweet and so interesting and creative and the whole Aphrodite type of beauty thing sounds really interesting do you have any articles and recommendations to read further into it??
-hogoflight
Hello my fine feathered (I am assuming possession of feathers if you are, indeed, capable of flight) @hogoflight! I'm always always happy to hear that people appreciate my frenzied rambling in the tags :D! I have a lot of articles and recommendations :D!! Ancient Greek notions of beauty and representations of it in their art and sculptures is a pretty well studied topic! There isn't any way for us now to know definitively what the beauty standard was (it varied widely from region to region and culture to culture after all) but here are a couple of my favourite reads about Aphrodite and what her representations tell us about idealised beauty!
Probably the most empirically extensive one I can list is Krönström's thesis which compares statues of Aphrodite and literary text referring to both the goddess and mortal women to determine physical ideals for women in five specific eras of Grecian antiquity. Including measurements of the statues there are many descriptions of Aphrodite as 'curvy' with a 'voluptuous figure' and with 'ample buttocks and bosom'.
"When the beauty traits are described in the texts, they are never extreme or anything that could not be found in normal people just that they are more beautiful in every aspect. Furthermore, the sculptures’ physical forms look healthy, they are tall and have distinct curves. Great examples of this are the Knida sculpture and de Milo (the Melian) sculpture."
Of course, these images are still idealised, and there was still a concept such as 'too fat' or 'too skinny' found in written records (and this thesis even includes analysis of pornographic writings and descriptions of the fashion and stylings of pubic hair of women from different regions!!) but from an interpretational standpoint? There is absolutely no reason why these can't refer to a fuller figure. Height was also a very important factor after all and over the course of many eras, it seems like being well proportioned in addition to the length and appearance of one's hair were the most important factors (and, like Apollo, greater beauty was given to those with curlier hair)
Mireille M. Lee's 'Other Ways of Seeing' essay which talks about the forgotten female viewers of Knidian Aphrodite which is also extremely illuminating on how Aphroditic sexuality and sensuality was perceived totally differently from the well documented male voyeuristic gaze (which was overly preoccupied with the statue's nakedness and therefore over-sensationalised the statue's physical appearance) vs women's perspective on the statue which is more centered on the beauty of simplicity in Aphrodite's garment and decoration and in her power and ability to captivate both in her finery and without it. I think it's especially useful in exploring the importance of finery, jewellry and adornment in representations of Aphroditic beauty.
"Some of the small-scale copies are heavily jeweled, especially those from the eastern Mediterranean, for example the Hellenistic gilded terracotta statuette in the Çanakkale Museum (Fig. 5) in which the goddess wears, in addition to the armband on her (right) arm, the following: a necklace with multiple pendants; cross-bands extending over both shoulders and hips, with a cascading pendant in the center; a coiled snake armband on the left arm and another snake on her left thigh, and a twisted anklet on her right leg. (The left leg has been restored, and might also have featured an anklet.)"
"Jewelry is especially associated with Aphrodite in Greek literature. As seen above, in the Homeric Hymn to Aphrodite, the goddess adorns herself with gold jewelry, dress-pins, and earrings in the shape of flowers (162–3)..."
Finally, and to me, the most important one in the argument for an interpretation of Hyacinthus as fat, beautiful and fundamentally Aphroditic comes from Brilmayer's brilliant brilliant thesis done on Aphrodite's work and influence in Archaic Greek Poetry which does away with all of that masculine preoccupation with physical proportion, measurement and bodily ideals for a focus on a Sapphic Aphroditic ideal centered in clothing, ornamentation and, most importantly cunning as symbols of Aphrodite and ultimately a feminine idealised form of beauty. This paper also discusses Pandora and Helen in these terms and it is just kind of a wonderful read tbh.
"Combining Homeric and Hesiodic elements with her own ideas, she [Sappho] alters the way female beauty is viewed. For example, the Homeric war chariot – a symbol of male, military prowess - comes to symbolise the totality of Aphrodite’s power uniting in itself male and female qualities. Having addressed the concept of beauty directly, Sappho then concludes that beauty lies in the eye of the beholder. With the help of Helen of Troy and her beloved Anaktoria, Sappho sets out to reinvent the concept of female beauty as a godlike, subjective quality that may be expressed in many ways, yet remains inspired by Aphrodite."
The conclusion to all of this of course is that Aphroditic ideal beauty is much more fluid compared to its stricter Apolline masculine standard. The nuances and understandings of both are of course, constantly being studied, analysed and scrutinised but really, if Dionysus who was both bearded and clean shorn, effeminate, birthed and rebirthed (and twice gestated!) and strongly associated with vegetation can be popularly portrayed as fat and handsome, why can't Hyacinthus?!
#ginger rambles#ginger answers asks#Once again I do not care how it happens or who I have to pay#I don't even care how much research I have to do#All I care about is more unique portrayals of Hyacinthus#Literally that's it#I will go through every academic hoop to make that possible if that's what peeps need TRUST#No because there's a genuine conversation to be had about a Hyacinthus who is split between masculine and feminine qualities#Likewise there's a wonderful conversation to be had wrt Apollo's fluidity in terms of presentation and how it does not reflect on his gende#the way Dionysus' fluidity reflects on his#Apollo is ALWAYS masculine no matter his ornaments garments makeup or action#It doesn't matter that he has the prettiest curls or wears elaborate dresses for his kitharody and dances#or values the deep dyes of the lapis - Apollo is ALWAYS male and that cannot be concealed by any finery or garment#Aphrodite however is an ally in this measure because through her beauty bridges the gap between the mortal and the divine#And we see this constantly in the way mortal beauties are able to attract the eye of many gods and how glory and ultimately immortality#are gained from these things#After all even after their deaths or betrayals or tragedies#We still tell their stories and remember their names#And what is Apollo if not the one who recites all of these beautiful memories - what is Clio if not the one who records these histories#ANYWAY PLEASE DRAW FAT HYACINTHUS#PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE#I AM ON MY KNEES I AM BEGGING (no pressure seriously I'm being very lighthearted) BUT ALSO PLEASE PLEASE PLEASEEEEE#TOGETHER WE CAN KILL THE PATROCLES/HYAPOLLO VISUAL PARALLELS WE CAN DO IT I KNOW WE CAN#ANYTHING SO THAT XANTHIAN DEVIL ARISTOS ACHAION DOESN'T GET ANY MORE PARALLELS WITH APOLLO P L E A S E#This is of course entirely because of my own biases and such there's nothing objectively wrong with comparing and paralleling#Hyapollo and Patrocles - however and I cannot stress this enough#P l e a s e#Thank you for the ask <33 Always a pleasure to provide more relatively obscure references mmhm#Hope this helps!#oh almost forgot
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