#seperate the art from the artist

[dumplingprincessextraordinaire]

Okay I need some help and perspective from my fellows proshippers. This is gonna be messy and imperfect as it is.

I’ve been reading Waita Uziga’s works since I was kid/teen (I know, hardly minor safe but let’s be honest, we all know kids with unrestricted internet access consume wild stuff so I did) and it honestly helped my stress a lot. Namely his work “Maichan’s daily life” the absurdity and artistic expression of it really took me out of my irl stresses. So maichan itself the manga is not actually the problem, but the author is.

I eventually learned that this author made a hentai based on a REAL victim that you’ve probably heard of—junko furuta. I mean as in he made a jerk-off work based on a real young girl’s trade go/murder/SA story and that sickens me. Especially as a woman and sa survivor myself. I can’t imagine someone making corn out of my story and then my friends and family having to see that.

So that’s why I feel like I really can’t enjoy Maichan without feeling a bitter taste due to what the creator did. This is especially so because the whole thing about proshipping is keeping fiction and reality separate, which this author certainly didn’t do. And that’s horrible. I don’t know if I can really enjoy this work knowing what he did and I feel a little iffy when I see other proshippers post about it bc you know we’re already on thin ice as it is. That’s why I want some thoughts and perspective. Because I’m not sure how to feel. Like at what point can separate the art from the artist, or when we should just throw the whole thing away? I know there’s artists and creators who have done so much worse (R Kelly, Roman Polanski) and we rip the individuals to shreds while still consuming their work so idk. Not trying to make excuses, just trying to see the whole picture on this discussion.

[purpleskelet0n]

If I made "stay hydrated" good omens stickers for water bottles would you all want one tell me fandom/halfgenq

(I DO NOT SUPPORT NEIL GAIMANS ACTIONS IN THE SLIGHTEST)

[ranmagender]

one movie i love despite it being made by like a vile human being is Midnight in Paris, love the movie a lot and absolutely one of my favorites

Woody Allen can burn in hell for all i care but that doesnt change the fact that its one of my favorites

[hellaversity]

It's always "seperate the art from the artist" UNLESS it's about Vivziepop. Even putting aside the fact the most of the shit people say about her is either proven to be false or something mildly questionable she did YEARS ago and has already apologized for it, why should her being a supposedly bad person stop you from enjoying her shows or buying her merch? If you still don't like Hazbin Hotel or Helluva Boss regardless of who Viv is as a person, that's fine. I'm all for seperating the art from the artist, but why does Viv have to be an exception?

[donatellokinnersinner]

Since it seems I need to make this clearer.

Seperate the art from the artist.

The Harry Potter world is good as inspiration (in my opinion). JK Rowling is a terrible human.

James Pattersons writing is fantastic (again, my opinion). Hes still a horrible person that steals ideas.

Peoples art may be nice, but that doesnt mean they are.

This works in the opposite direction. People with terrific art may seem daunting to talk to, but they could be a nerd like me.

If everyone liked art depending on the people who made it, then we wouldnt like anything. Everyone has their flaws. No one has to support their flaws. (I'm still saying Rowling and Paterson are terrible people that I'd hate to meet.)

I am not my art, and my art is not me. If I want to use the Harry Potter world as inspiration for a HP au, that doesnt mean I support Rowling or anything she stands for.

Seperate the art from the artist.

I apologize if this was harsh, but It seemed necessary. If you have any quarrels with me on this, take it to my DMs or remove yourself from my page.

[nervous-writing]

Seperating the Work from the Author

I love how there are Harry Potter Fans, who don't want to think about any of the stuff that JK has done or said, simply stating "Just seperate the art from the artist" and things along those lines so that they can go on and keep enjoying Harry Potter without ever needing to question whether or not they should maybe move on to something else. But as soon as you criticize JK in any way that isn't related to her work directly (like how she keeps digging that holeon the whole trans debate or how she uses the name of a Conversion Therapist as a pen name for her crime books), you will have dozens of PotterHeads run up to you and tell you all about how it's not cool to hate on Harry Potter like that or that they grew up with that series and that they can't stand people making fun of it. Not once did anyone mention the quality of Harry Potter or anything along those lines, but because JK and Harry Potter are so closely linked to each other, any form of criticism on JK will be seen as a critique on Harry Potter itself. If you feel the need to get upset at someone and defend Harry Potter and you being a fan of it, because that person said something about JK, you can't use the argument of seperating the Art from the Artist. Of course there are many other reasons that you can name for why continuing to pretend that consuming more Harry Potter is completely fine because you don't agree with JK (who is spending a lot of time, money and her platform to actively make the lives of trans people worse), isn't really the best option, but I just thought that the behaviour of PotterHeads who don't want to think about JK in response to when someone criticizes JK exclusively, rather funny. tl;dr A lot of Potterheads love to say that you should seperate Harry Potter from JK, but act like Harry Potter is being attacked if you criticize JK Rowling

[baby0puke]

Love the art, hate the artist

But like, about Chronic pain bodies

Cause, damn hot bod, But why you gotta hurt sm

[givemeascreamcorey]

𝔉𝔯𝔞𝔫𝔨𝔢𝔫𝔰𝔱𝔢𝔦𝔫 𝔊𝔦𝔯𝔩𝔰 𝔚𝔦𝔩𝔩 𝔖𝔢𝔢𝔪 𝔖𝔱𝔯𝔞𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔩𝔶 𝔖𝔢𝔵𝔶 𝔇𝔯𝔞𝔴𝔦𝔫𝔤 ℑ 𝔇𝔦𝔡 𝔞𝔟𝔬𝔲𝔱 𝔞 𝔪𝔬𝔫𝔱𝔥 𝔞𝔤𝔬 <33

[dontfindme445]

my worst fear?

some low life trying to separate me from my art. 🤬

Everything I make is en extension of me, even if, hypothetically, I didn’t agree with its messages. I am the things I make. The things I make are me.

unless something I made came to life and stuck it’s pinky out at me, my art does not have a mind of its own and thus is wholeheartedly a representation of me and my views.

also, just for context: I support marginalized people, so that makes me good by default compared to the likes of… some other people out there. They don’t deserve to be honored by your attention. And since what I said about my art doesn’t just apply me… before you get into something, research the creator.

if you like something that was made by a bad person, you aren’t bad. In fact, I feel sorry for you. You guys are just so frustrating sometimes. The most healthy and harm-free thing to do is move on and find something else to love. Like when you get out of a bad home or relationship.

[roydeezed]

One thing for those who have watched The Boy and The Heron or will watch it. The Japanese title for it is How Do You Live? And Miyazaki stated he was leaving it for his grandson, saying, "Grandpa is moving onto the next world soon but he is leaving behind this film".

The deaths of contemporaries and friends such as Satoshi Kon and Isao Takahata and also the expected successor of Yoshifumi Kondo were things that have always weighed heavily on the back of Miyazaki's mind.

He recognizes the industry and the occupation for how soul crushing it was, grinding up either the spirit or the physical body of those who work in it. He loves and hates the industry he stands on the peak of and fully recognizes how it will probably be the death of him. And he knows it'll leave him unable to say a lot of things to his Grandson.

So How Do You Live? is a lesson. For his grandson. For himself. For his two sons. And probably for anyone else willing to pay attention.

Hayao Miyazaki is a flawed man that makes things so important to so many people. And I think more than any other film of his, in this you get to pull back the curtain a bit and see him at work. And what should be this giant unblemished titan can be seen for what he is, a sad old man who had higher hopes for himself and has even higher hopes for the people he makes his work for.

It's a beautiful thing to see another's humanity in their work. To look past the artifice and glam of commercialized art and find humans behind it. And humans willing to show their humanity and mortality is even rarer. And something to be celebrated. So when you watch it. Or if you've watched it already. Understand that this film is Miyazaki kneeling down, weary after years of weaving dreams and making mistakes, reaching out and saying to you that he hopes you can do better. It's an old man who's made all the mistakes of the world passing it on to you, hoping you do better, and making sure you know it's okay if you don't.

How do you Live? By making mistakes. By messing up. But still moving forward. And still reaching out.

[dol-dee]

Thanks to everyone who volunteered their pcs as lil gunieapigs to me<3 I had a lot of fun experimenting with different coloring styles

The MS Paint Template was made by Mayuniki on Pixilart, you can find it HERE

The Player Characters from left to right: -Andy belongs to @dolbog -Ayesha belongs to @kylars-owner -Ken/Mackenzie belongs to @rootedshrew -The legendary Foxglove belongs to @getinthefuckingcarkitten -Poe belongs to @hemlocks-hidey-hole -and last but not least, Jet belongs to @uncontrolledinsomnia

I made some executive decisions when interpreting the designs: like adding accessoires, changing hairsytles a bit, interpreting facial features differently or just doing my own thing with some of the outfits. I hope thats okay haha ( I could ramble on about my thought process on a lot of these designs but I'll cut myself off) I might make a seperate post for this, but its legit kinda tragic; cause most of these drawings are cut off. I just couldnt fit the full versions into a cohesive layout.

Most tragic loss is the disappearance of the lower half of this Sweater I put on Ken, its by mingalondon and by god i want it

[roseate-felidae]

@robotslenderman

I agree. As long as it's not actively harming people, I'm doing the same. An example of active harm is JKR trying to make transphobic laws and donating to charities that cause harm. Buying her products actively funds harm.

Many of the things I enjoy have now had or have bad creators.

Five nights at Freddy's with Scott Cawthon donating money to republicans despite the Lgbt fanbase

Coraline with Neil Gaiman's sexual assault allegations

Night in the woods with one of its Co creators, Alec Holowka, causing abuse to his co workers until being outed. Then, commiting suicide due to the outing.

House of the Dragon's George R Martin racism and transphobic jokes

Tim Burton's focus on white characters exclusively.

Lewis Dawkin's (youtuber, Dawko) creating a fake Twitter pretending to be a fan to big up himself.

That's almost the entirety of my interests that are not animals. But liking animsls is not without its huge controversies. Differing opinions, hatred/vilificatoon of breeders, and unhealthy breeds to name a few.

Nothing is perfect. The majority of media you consume can become "tainted" by the bad behaviour of creators. Humans are not perfect. Some make mistakes. Some things are worse than others. Some never learn from these.

Consuming their creations does not make someone evil. It does not mean they agree with what they did wrong. It would be impossible to cut everything out of your life just to appease the faceless masses online. In the end, you would be left with no enjoyment.

I've been suicidal. I still have bad depression. I need escapism and to be able to enjoy things. So do others. We should not "self flaggulate" by cutting off things that bring us joy or demand it of others due to uncomfortability by being associated with the "evils" of its creator. For our own wellbeing and for others.

As long as we recognise the dangers of certain behaviours and when someone is in the wrong. That we try to learn from things we and others have done. To try to avoid causing harm ourselves. Pretending we are perfect and that certain people are forever "evil" does not lower our own chance of wrong. No one is pure evil or pure good. We are all capable of doing wrong. We need to enjoy things. To make life worth living.

Divorce the author from the work/ seperate the artist from the art. Try not to contribute to bad things. You cannot remove everything with a bad take or author just to appear pure and correct. You will be left with nothing. For your health, you need to learn how to react to these things. Without causing more harm to yourself or others.

I do not agree with the bad actions of creators of have done wrong. My morals and mistakes are not reflected in my interests. This is the case foe the majority of the population.

Sorry for the rant, but I see this behaviour to force others to get rid of things they enjoy due to the mistakes or bad behaviour of their creators very often. Also the increase of people categorising people into pure good or bad. The prevaillance of judging people based on their fandoms instead of actions or morals. It is incorrect and furthering the damage instead of reducing it. Please stop it.

don't you get tired

don't you get tired of having to leave an interest because someone who made it was an asshole, and making a new interest only to be told you should drop it because someone there was also an asshole

aren't you tired of being afraid of getting into new things because you'll have to abandon it to perform Being A Good Person to the people around you

aren't you exhausted

I'm exhausted. I'm not doing this any more. I'm tired of dropping things that give me joy in a shitty world because I have to perform goodness for you like a dog doing a trick. I'm not giving shit up any more and if you don't like it, you can eat my entire ass.

[svnflowermoon]

y'all go from being feminists to tearing these women down within seconds oh my god it's 2024 can we please stop viciously tearing one woman down to bring another up i don't care what side you take but saying vile shit about either woman and their music is disgusting, please grow up

[mllenugget]

I have only one word and one word only : CRI CRI CRI CRI CRI CRI CRI CRI CRI

"I intended to skip Purgatory 2 to catch up faster on VODs since I was told they were unrelated lore-wise But my biggest mistake was to vibe check all the new players - I was not expecting to completely fall head over heels for Team Capybara, hot damn I love them all so much ????" - Me, February 2024

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I took @sunshinetomioka's werewolf Guill headcanon and ran with it btw, credit to it

[sakiyaki-sashimi]

Remember that it’s okay to like imperfect/flawed media or media that has a bad reputation. Read Harry Potter, watch DSMP, make MHA fanart, the only thing stopping you is second hand shame brought upon you by people who don’t like to have fun

[voidzphere]

"seperate art from the artist!" until the art itself is encouraging, popularizing, and monetizing said artist.

i physically cannot separate the art from the artist if they are genuinely a bad person. i can't listen to a song or look at art without thinking of the allegations or what they did. i'll feel guilty and repulsed the entire time, even if i enjoy the media.

"they could never make me hate you!!" Massive side eye from me unfortunately 💔🐺