#saw gerrara

[lothcat-lothcat-lothwolf-run]

over. The past six months. I have forced my father into watching rebels with me over call. His Opinions thus far:

Somewhat?? Aware of the homo-eroticism between zeb and kallus

thinks chopper deserves more screen time

hates Saw Gerrara (who he only ever knew from andor)

has fallen in love with Wedge Antilles

Dislikes the fact that Hera and kanan don’t share their thoughts and worries with each other even though they are obviously in love

thrawn apologist

Really misses the first inquisitor

Super happy that Ezra is out of his “needy emo era”

loves the “space wolves”

is a huge Kanara shipper (Jedi Night is the next episode we have to watch and I’m really scared for him)

[whyoneartheven]

ANHSHDJSJSJ OOHHHH I LOVE THIS TAKE ON IT

aaaahhhh one hundred percent agree yesyesyesyesss

OK BUT CROSSHAIR AND OMEGA’S RELATIONSHIP IS MY FAVORITE IN THE SHOW

Ough my friend I am dropping by to take you up on your offer to rant about The Bad Batch because I have SO. MANY. THOUGHTS.

OOOHHHH INDEED????

[kimbureh]

TBB Season 2 Finale

I've already talked in another post at length about why I think TBB's core message is "Self-sacrifice is not the way", and I think we see this theme come to a beautiful conclusion in the season 2 finale.

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Let's start at the end. Back on Ord Mantell, The Empire shows up to take Omega. Injured and desperate, Hunter orders Omega to flee. But Omega rejects Hunter's self-sacrifice and tries to rescue the team, and even more, she refuses Hemlock's offer for an exchange.

"I'm not going with you."

Omega's words right here are the core theme of TBB. She explicitly says, "I won't allow the self-sacrifice of my family, and I won't sacrifice myself either". This is revolutionary, literally: The Clone Rights Movement develops the same idea from a different angle.

On the other hand, during the attack on the Summit, Saw Gerrera posits that sacrifices have to be made for the greater good. But what greater good? The interference of Gerrera causes that neither his team nor the Batch get what they came for: Gerrera fails to blow up the Imperial admirals, the Batch fails to track Hemlock's ship. It's interesting that Gerrara still acts as an antagonist to the Batch despite technically being an ally. And indeed, the two groups do have some ideological overlap: Hunter may not agree with Gerrera on sacrifices, but there are two seasons to back up the fact that Hunter actually does utilize (self-)sacrifice as a tactic. He just doesn't admit it like Gerrara does. Hunter doesn't admit that he sacrificed Crosshair, that he continues to sacrifice the squad's interests for Omega's, that he sacrifices even himself on the altar of selflessness.

But then Tech falls. And for a weak moment on Ord Mantell, Hunter understands they cannot continue if they chip away at themselves and at each other like that. He wants to stop the sacrifices, leave everything behind (the soldier life! even his leadership role that is attached to it!) in order to hide on Pabu. He immediately regresses into self-sacrifical behavior once the Empire shows up to take Omega, but I am excited for him to finally take the crucial step and consider change, even if his plans are naive. Settling on Pabu wouldn't fix the problems they have, but Hunter is yet to learn how to live as as a self-directed person instead of a solider forced into a coercive system.

Season 2 sets up everything for Hunter to figure out life and change and himself, and luckily, Omega and Crosshair are already one step ahead of him. Thematically, meeting up with them again and reconciliating with them is a step that would cohesively end Hunter's arc of finally embracing change.

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So this is it. That's all the meta I intended on writing on TBB, you can find all the other essays here. Have fun. I'm looking forward to your takes

[foxykatie425]

I can’t believe I haven’t seen anybody else talk about this, but if Cal Kestis was working with Saw Gerrara up to around 9 BBY, could that mean he might have met young Jyn Erso at some point? She’d be around 12 years old by then and would have been with Saw for some time, so I’d think it’s possible that they met at some point, or at least knew of each other… 🤔

[foxxxtransformer123]

I just rewatched Ghosts of Geonosis, and maybe I'm just too ravenous for Zeb content and backstory, but I feel that he could have been used in the episodes more. His species was wiped out by the Empire, too. It would have been far more interesting if they'd at least acknowledged that.

They could have had him sympathize with Klick Klack. They could have had him angry as all hell at the Empire for committing Genocide. We could have had him butt heads with Gerrara over his treatment of Klick Klack because Zeb has experienced xenophobia as well. And, I wish we could have had the Ghost crew, and not just Ezra, be insanely pissed at Saw for his treatment of Klick Klack, and it would have made a lot of sense for Zeb, another very non human like species, who has also experienced extreme xenophobia, get more than one shot of growling angrily at Saw and never being acknowledged again. I know Zeb would have immediately tried to beat Saw's ass as soon as Rex stopped holding him back. In fact, he probably wouldn't have let Rex hold him back like that. It's not like his character at all to hold back from a fight. His whole thing is being hot-headed and reckless, and although he calms down throughout the show, the blatant xenophobia and near Genocide of a species, is not something he would just hold himself back from responding to.

The episodes could have done something with Zeb. They could have shown the impact of Lasan even years later. They could have shown him sympathizing with Klick Klack. They could have done something very interesting that would have given Zeb just a little bit more depth.

The episodes are good as they are, and I may just be desperate for Zeb content, but I think they could have done something more.

In conclusion: I wish they had used Zeb more.

[dangraccoon]

Jari’eyc - Chapter 16

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Word Count: 1696

Warnings: References to "The Summit" and "Plan 99", Saw Gerrara, canon-typical violence, self sacrifice

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Everything is going according to plan, Tech had to remind himself. He would infiltrate the control room with Hunter, Echo, and Runi. Wrecker, Omega, and Crosshair would plant the tracker on Hemlock’s shuttle. Fives and Sinya were on standby (much to Fives’ exasperation) in the ship - just in case they needed a speedy pickup - and checking in with both groups regularly.

Everything will happen the way it needs to, a soft voice called in the back of his mind. It almost sounded like Jaine. Or perhaps the Chromira. 

“Something’s not right,” Echo hummed. “Many of the surveillance systems have had cycled deactivations in various corridors.”

Tech felt his heart rate spike. They weren’t the only ones here. “That is highly irregular, considering the number of top-ranking Imperial officers present.”

“Tech, let’s check it out. Echo, Runi: keep an eye on things,” Hunter decided with a nod.

They moved swiftly through the halls, Tech noting several more disabled cameras along the way. His fingers danced across the console he stopped at. 

“This quadrant of the surveillance system has been fully deactivated,” he worried aloud. “I do not like this; we should leave.”

Hunter’s head turned in a particular way as he stalked silently away. Tech knew that action; Hunter was tracking something.

“Tech,” he called after crouching to inspect something.

The knot in Tech’s gut tightened. “A thermal explosive,” he affirmed.

Hunter came to a similar conclusion to Tech. “Someone is targeting this base,” he said, pressing the button on the side of his helmet to relay the information to the rest of the squad.

“On my way,” Crosshair muttered from the other end.

“One charge will not cause much damage,” Tech noted. 

Hunter’s head snapped towards the other end of the corridor, his blaster quickly following. 

“Good thing we have more,” a stormtrooper sneered, appearing in the hall with another. He raised his hands, and turned back to lower his partner’s blaster. He pulled his helmet off. “Didn’t expect to find you two here.”

“Saw Gerrara,” Tech hummed, the slight surprise evident in his voice.

“I told you on Onderon you had a choice to make. Looks like you’ve chosen,” Saw smirked slightly. He nodded at the other. “Keep an eye out.”

“What exactly is your plan here?” Hunter asked, attempting to disguise the wariness in his voice.

“I’m leveling this compound,” Saw stated smugly. “Along with all the Imperials inside it.”

“Can’t let you do that,’ Hunter said. “We’re tracking one of the officers. We need to find his base. Clones and– and others are being imprisoned there, including one of our own.”

“You expect me to call this off to save a few prisoners?” Saw huffed. “We are trying to fight an Empire.”

“Have you considered that by destroying this facility you are wiping out any chance to gather intel that could help your cause?” Tech tried to hide the anger in his voice, but he was fairly certain he was failing.

It was like Saw couldn’t hear any logic in Tech’s statements.“Taking out several of their top commanders is a good start.”

“That victory will be short-lived as their ranks will be quickly replenished.”

“Maybe so,” Saw shrugged. “But sacrifices have to be made for the greater good.”

“We have to go now.” Saw’s comrade warned. “A security team’s been alerted.”

As if on cue, the doors behind them slid open, revealing a startled stormtrooper. With four people shooting at him, he was quickly taken down. More troopers advanced, returning fire and forcing the group down the corridor.

Tech’s heart rate spiked as a few near-misses screeched past him. He fired at the exhaust pipe next to him, letting out a steady flow of steam. It would provide an adequate amount of cover and distraction for now as Saw helped his companion limp away. He and Hunter ducked behind cover as the three troopers kept shooting.

Reaching into one of his pockets, Tech easily found what he was looking for: an EMP grenade. He activated it, rolling towards the enemies. As it activated, he watched the electricity surge up the bodies of the two stormtroopers in front, narrowly missing the third.

Damn it, he thought as he fired at the last, hitting center mass.

“Nice shot,” Crosshair called as he ran in behind them.

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“We’ve been compromised,” Hunter shouted over the comm. 

“Shit,” Runi hissed through the vocoder in her mask. Her eyes darted up to Echo. 

They quickly began to exit the compound, coming across Wrecker and Omega as they took down a small squadron of stormtroopers. They came across squad after squad, easily beating them all. 

Finally, they ran into the rest of their own squad. The run through the rest of the identical corridors was hectic, and as they finally boarded the rail cars, Runi sighed in relief.

“We need an access code,” Tech alerted.

“I’ll override it,” Echo answered. 

Troopers began to enter the attached car, the squad shooting at them as the railcar hummed to life.

They speeded away, still in a firefight with the stormtroopers in the other car, but Runi could see the multitude of explosions at the base.

“No,” Crosshair hissed, shooting at the troopers with a renewed fury.

“We’re losing power,” Echo warned, his scomp twisting in the socket.

They took out the last of the troopers as the railcar screeched to a halt.

“This… is going to be a problem,” Tech sighed as he gazed out at the other rail. Runi darted to the vent with Hunter. Troopers pushed the doors of the opposite car open. 

Hunter and Wrecker pushed the doors of their car open, and Runi’s heart dropped into her boots. She had realized how high up they were when they’d hitched a ride on the underside of the car before. But her knees still wobbled as she watched the others standing so close to the edge.

“This is not ideal,” Tech informed them, showing Hunter a scan of the space below them. Beyond the clouds and fog seemed to be nothing but jagged rock formations.

“At least we’re not hanging under the car,” Wrecker shrugged.

Omega scowled at him, gesturing towards the door. “This isn’t much better.”

There was a flurry of red light as the stormtroopers opened fire on them.

“Echo, get this car moving,” Hunter ordered as they fired back.

“The explosions must’ve knocked out power to the rail line,” he explained. 

Tech was typing furiously on his datapad. “I can try to reboot this system, but I will need to plug directly into one of the terminals on the track.”

Hunter seemed to consider this for a moment. “Give us cover,” he ordered the rest of them. “Tech, Cross - up top with me.”

Hunter and Crosshair hoisted their brother up and began to fire on the others.

Echo glanced over his shoulder as they went up, then went back to firing.

“Something doesn’t feel right,” he muttered, just so Runi could hear him.

“We’re without power, dangling maybe a dozen kilometers in the air, and a bunch of people are trying to kill us,” she grunted. “We’ve dealt with worse.”

“I am plugged in,” Tech said. “Stand by.”

“We’ve got three ships inbound,” Hunter called out.

“Where? I can’t see them!” Omega worried aloud.

“Fives?” Echo shouted. “We have ships inbound, do you copy?”

“Copy, Echo,” Fives called. “We’re on our way.”

The ships fired, raining green plasma down onto the cars, hitting the connections to the rail line with eerie precision.

The cars jolted and groaned. Runi lost her footing, but the second she regained it, a searing pain burned through her left shoulder and she cried out. The hit knocked her backwards, her head hitting the edge of the car with a sickening thud.

“Runi!” Echo shouted, he wrapped his good arm around her waist, pulling her behind the walls of the car for cover. “Now!” Tech called.

“Echo, we need to move,” Hunter said, his hand pulling Echo’s shoulder.

“I need to make sure she’s okay,” Echo argued.

“I’ll check her over,” Hunter told him. “But we need to go.”

“Right,” Echo shook his head, rushing back to the socket.

“Tech, get in here!” Crosshair shouted. 

“I am… working on it!”

“Runi?” Hunter said, pressing a hand against her chest plate.

“I- I’m okay,” she muttered, using her good arm and Hunter’s proffered hand to pull herself up. She stumbled a little when upright, but went right back to shooting, using the side of the car for balance.

The car shifted again.

“Tech!” Wrecker called. “Hurry up!”

“I am climbing… as fast as I can!”

“Not fast enough,” Crosshair growled. “Wrecker, get me up top.”

“Not with those ships up there,” Hunter shouted. “Why aren’t we moving?”

Echo grunted. “The weight of the car is pulling us away from the track!”

Another shift halted Tech’s progress, dropping him back down to where he started.

“Ni kelir ve'ganir laam ogir niist.” [I will get up there myself.]

“Cuir’ika, gehv!” Tech called over the comms. “Gar kelir ve’ganir mhi bintar kyrayc!” [Little Four, stop it! You will get us both killed.”

Runi stumbled to the back of the car where Wrecker and Omega watched in horror.

“There is no time,” Tech sighed.

“Tad’ika, gedet’ye!” [Little Two, please!”

“Plan 99.”

The air around them all seemed to go silent, despite the blasterfire, despite the screaming of the ships overhead. Runi didn’t know what that meant, but she knew that tone.

Wrecker growled. “Don’t you do it, Tech.” 

Runi stumbled over to Echo, grabbing him by the shoulders, hissing at the pain in her own.

“Runi-”

“Echo,” she breathed. She couldn’t see his eyes through his helmet, but she stared through anyway. “Ni kar’tayl gar darasuum. O’r shol’shya yencuyot, gar rucuyir ner riduur. Echo, Fives - ni ceta, ner cyar’ike.” [I love you. In another future, you were my spouse. Echo, Fives - I am sorry, my darlings.]

Runi released his shoulders, rushing towards the back of the ship as Tech shot and severed the connection hinge.

Wrecker lost his grip on the other car, and as he, Crosshair, and Omega screamed, Runi jumped out of the open car.

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[nonhumanhottie]

Rebels season 3 rewatch

Visions and voices

Dude i love what the show does with the force it makes it scary!!

I'm glad Ezra tells them the truth

This is the good shit!!

Hera doesn't want to leave her boy

Maul is so shady I love him

Always love a Nightsisters reference

SATINE why he got a shrine for her? Because she loved Obi-Wan? lol

Maul made the connection of Obi-Wan + Tatooine so why couldn't Vader lol

witches and ghosts and demons oh my

Maul wants a friend so badly oh my god he misses Savage

Ghosts of Geonosis

Rex mentioning Steela I'm gonna throw up that arc is one of my favourites

Rebels always has such horror-inspired cinematography lmao

Saw Gerrara!! My bestie!!

He still looks young-ish (and still sounds 15 lmao). He's gonna go through the rapid aging of Obi-Wan next time we see them

Saw never got to see that the giant imperial secret he spent years uncovering got ruined by a plucky farm kid

ugh Sabine and Zeb's dynamic? Amazing.

'Yeah but he's no Skywalker' STOPPP Rex still loves Anakin

'Circle inside another circle' i can't that means nothing Rex

STEELA

Not Sabine making an Anakin and sand reference lmaooo

Rex having to tackle the guy he nce trained as a teen oh my god

I think Saw has very good points but star wars isn't good at utilising him

the circle in the circle drives me nuts lmao they keep getting it wrong

[sambargestuff]

This video essay is great and all but...                                        

If we're going to retcon Cassian's line from R1 "I've been in this fight since I was 6 yrs old,"  to mean that he was always resisting the Empire from the time his parents were killed then wouldn't Jyn have been in the fight just as long?

Because by that definition, Jyn was in the fight from the time she was 8 yrs old, when her mother was killed, her father left to work for the Empire, and Jyn literally became a child soldier in Gerrara's cell.  When Cassian was being cared for by Clem and Maarva, Jyn was an actual child soldier, actually in the fight as part of the resistance to the Empire.  

She didn't abandon the fight either.  Saw abandoned her.  So she spent the next few years getting by but engaging in anti-imperial activities; like Cassian was doing when Luthen found him. She found and lost family, just like Cassian did. When the Rebellion found Jyn, she wasn't living a life of privilege, ignoring the harshness of the Empire in Niamos (like Cassian did after Aldhani).  She was in jail for forging Imperial documents and assaulting imperial personnel while resisting arrest. 

How is that not being in the fight, if we use the retconned definition of "in the fight"?

When she tells Saw you can ignore imperial flags "if you don't look up," she is clearly speaking from a place of anger at him and is trying to hurt him.  She doesn’t want him to know that what he taught her; the way he raised her, continues to inform her behaviour but it does.  Her actions up to that point show that, as much as she hates the Rebellion (for which she has cause to remember) she hates the Empire more; just like Cassian when Luthen found him.  Before the scene with Saw, she intervenes in a firefight to save a child; a child that Cassian would have left to die.  That's who Jyn Erso is before she sees Galen's message.  So when she sees her father is alive and hasn't forgotten her, it's not much of a change for her to be committed to getting him from Eadu and smashing the Empire. 

Why don't we acknowledge that at the moment that he’s declaring “suddenly the Rebellion is real for you”, Cassian is trying to defend unethical actions by the Rebellion and himself? He starts by gas-lighting her (”You’re in shock. I’ve seen it before.”) and then insisting she respect his position as a Rebel like she hasn't been a rebel since she was 8 yrs old at least. The rebellion (lower case “r”) has been as real for Jyn as it has been for Cassian since she was 8 yrs old.

I think people are uncomfortable with Jyn because she's a complex female character and, even in the 3rd decade of the 21st century, we like our women likeable rather than complex.  Also, she’s angry and unapologetic about it.  She's angry at her parents for leaving her.  She's angry at Saw for the same reason.  And, in case anyone has forgotten, she's angry at Cassian because in the scene prior to Cassian declaring, somewhat dubiously it appears, that he's "been in this fight since [he] as 6 yrs old," he lied to her and almost killed her father. Also, he's a stand in for the Rebellion, who actually did just kill her father 

I agree with the video that the filmmakers treated Jyn's character poorly. I guess that's why we got Andor and not Erso as the prequel series, even though it appears they had very similar arcs.  It's just more interesting when a man does it, I guess

[oh-no-eu-didnt]

Saw Gerrara was an human resistance fighter native to Onderon. During the Clone Wars, Gerrara fought with his people to oust Seperatist forces from his home. While successful, the fall of the Republic brought a new oppressor to his homeworld. Gerrara continued to fight independently, as one of the first resistance fighters against the Empire. Ruthless at times and ostracized for his controversial tactics, Gerrara was nevertheless effective.

Source: Star Wars: The Rebel Files (Art: Giorgio Baroni; 2017)

First Appearance: Star Wars: The Clone Wars - “A War on Two Fronts” (2012)

Read more on Wookieepedia.

[winchesternova-k]

why is saw gerrara so fucking pale in the fallen order? and why is cere way paler than the actress whose likeness they used?

disney stop whitewashing ur characters of colour challenge

[auntie-venom]

Hard agree on all of this with the following addition:

Saw Gerrara’s face will catch these hands if I ever see him.

I have seen the opinion floated several times that Tech's sacrifice ultimately turned out to basically be meaningless since the mission failed, they didn't save Crosshair or find Tantiss, and Omega was captured. To each their own opinion, of course, but I STRONGLY disagree with this take.

Okay, so, (surprise surprise) I'm a HUGE fan of Tech (literally since the moment he first graced our screens, it was favorite-at-first-sight). I wanted so badly for him to have survived. I didn't want him to be CX2 at first, but then the parallels just kept cropping up, but then it turns out he wasn't. I have now accepted that he really isn't coming back, but still wish the writers had allowed for more cathartic/healing moments by purposefully honoring Tech rather than doubling/tripling down all season long on the wrenching pain of the Tech-sized hole in the family.

But I cannot share the view that Tech's sacrifice was pointless.

Tech died on a mission he had pushed for in order to have the chance to save his brother.

Tech knew the mission was risky - OF COURSE he knew - but he wanted to take the chance, he didn't want to leave Crosshair behind when it turned out that Crosshair's choice to stay with the Empire had landed him into trouble.

Tech went to fix the rail car because he couldn't let his family remain sitting ducks for the Empire to shoot down.

Tech severed the connection and sacrificed himself to give his family a fighting chance.

The mission could either end in failure to rescue Crosshair, or inevitably end in the entire family dying. Tech chose the former option.

Tech sacrificed himself so his family could live - and regardless of the trials and hardships they faced afterwards, that sacrifice WAS meaningful. (Shoutout to my girl Omega for taking an awful situation - being captured - and seizing the opportunity to fulfill Tech's final goal of saving Crosshair.)

Their life on Pabu would not have been possible without Tech's sacrifice. Crosshair's freedom and life would not have been possible without Tech's sacrifice.

So, devastatingly painful as Tech's death is, it is only because of him that his family lived. And that is more than enough to make his sacrifice meaningful.

Now if only the show could have acknowledged this a little more clearly...

Also I despise Saw Gerrera even more than I despise Cid.

[spicysucculentz]

not the saw gerrara hate…… these bad batch fans are WILD

[thatwitchrevan]

I very much hope we get to see Mon Mothma clash a bit with Cassian and the other fugitive rebels, to be honest. On a story level the friction between people within the rebellion that have lived different experiences is always one of the most intriguing bits of character, as shown by Cassian arguing with Jyn throughout Rogue One. It's also a good way to address privilege and the importance of understanding and listening to different perspectives.

And also I just like both of them individually as characters a lot. I appreciate Cassian's reality, everything he's given up or had taken from him. I respect his anger and passion and the depth to which he cares so much that it burdens him all the time. I like Mon Mothma's balance, her dignity, her struggle to stay calm so she can do something, and how sometimes that means not speaking as freely as she wants, sometimes it makes her seem a bit cold. I love how these are two different fights in the same war, that have to be fought differently to accomplish different things in the same goal. And how sometimes maybe they won't be different fights at all.

[dogtorbones]

Dornk (not Pile Of Bones) writing

This is not related to Pile of Bones.  No, THIS muthafukka hit me in the face sometime last week and then poured into my brain at work today.  It’s all about Bodhi.  Read it :)

It's only when a pungent sack is thrown over his head and his world is reduced to the sound of his breathing, the stench, and a few bright glimpses of sun through torn hessian that Bodhi is certain he kriffed up.  It was a creeping feeling as they left Jedha city.  It slithered up his legs as his feet blistered in poorly fitting boots and sand invaded the sores.  It clamped around his stomach as he realised this was not Saw Gerrara.

Now it sits in the back of his throat, a lump of fear and a surety that this is really not where he should be, not what he should be doing.  

He was so sure, when Galen Erso began to speak, that this was his path, this was something he must do, but his senses must have become muddled.  He has been here too long, and this mortal coil has seduced stronger than he.  Mortals shine so brightly for their brief span of existence, but Galen Erso?  He is a supernova.  

But now, now he is sure this is not his path.  He can do naught but see his task through.  He is bound, utterly, by his deed and his word and there is nothing in this galaxy that can break it.  

He runs at the mouth.  He babbles.  He always has, especially when he's anxious, and he's very anxious now (he usually is, actually, always has been if he really thinks about it).  His siblings used to fill his mouth with balls of cotton when he was younger.  They still call him 'cotton mouth' when they catch up, which is almost never.  Much to his relief.

His lips stop moving after a few hours.  He struggles with tears as sand digs into tender flesh between his toes.  They keep walking.  His tongue swells in his mouth.  They keep walking.  His legs begin to shake, his spine aches, his knees refuse to bend.  They keep walking.

He is thrown to the ground.  His body protests.  His mouth moves.  It doesn't stop until the sack is scraped off his face and his eyes bug because that is not human.  It is twisted and mangled beyond all that is alive.  It pulses with sickness and madness.  He gulps.  

“Saw,” he whimpers.  Desperate supplication pours from his lips.  He fades into silence.  

He really knows he kriffed up when the thing (he refuses to call it a man, it is not, it is diseased and sickened and twisted and wrong to every sense he has) says “bor gullet”.  And still, despite the delivery, despite passing the message on, he is bound to this task.  He cannot escape as he is strapped to a chair.  He cannot flee as the creature moves towards him, the sheer wrongness of its existence forcing bile up from his stomach.  

He can only scream as his grace is torn apart.  

[sambargestuff]

Yeah. I like Andor but I can't ignore that they gave Cassian a very different backstory (very close to Jyn's actually) in a way that changes the Cassian of Rogue One. A couple things:

Cassian wasn't in the fight since he was 6 years old. Not in Andor, If we're going to say he was in the fight from the day he lost his parents (which happened when he was 6, I guess?), then we have to agree that Jyn was in the fight since she was 8 yrs old. And, unlike Cassian, Jyn wasn't taken in as a child by people that, whatever your opinion of Maarva, provided her a safe home. At 8 yrs old, Jyn went to live with Saw Gerrara and trained be a child soldier until she was 16 yrs old. Cassian (again, whatever your opinion of Maarva) was not a child soldier.

Since Cassian came to the Rebellion as an adult, his development in Rogue One is diminished. Cassian's crisis following the disobeying of orders is greater if he was a child soldier who was "in the fight since [he] was 6 yrs old." Chucking everything, suborning insubordination in his co-rebels, dealing with the dark aspects of the Rebellion - all of these things are diminished by Cassian's new backstory. He's relatively new to the Rebellion. It just can't be the defining aspect of his personality that it was in R1.

Why is he from Kenari? Why is his name Kassa, not Cassian? Why make these changes? How do they alter the story? He is already a boy named Cassian living on Ferrix so it's possible to make his Festian heritage something that needs hiding. Changing his name and home planet was confusing and unnecessary. It appears to alters nothing so why change it? Why make Cassian from Fest be a manufactured back story when you don't need to?

Now, I understand wanting Cassian to have character development in the show. It would be a very bad show if it was just "totally committed Rebel does rebel stuff," so some elements of the back story had to be changed to make the show good. It just isn't the story of Cassian Andor in R1. It's a very good story; it's just a different character.

Also, let's be honest, most people aren't going to bring this level of scrutiny to the show. Not everyone had their Star Wars worldview altered by Rogue One.

If they wanted Cassian's story, they would have needed to cast different actors to play him. Diego could have been featured towards the end but you'd need an 8 yr old, 13 yr old, and 18 yr old Cassian to tell the original story. They could have cast an age appropriate Jyn as well and wound their stories together as they aged, enriching the story told in R1.

Or, they could have let Jyn, Cassian, Bodhi, and K2 survive R1 and have adventures in the Star Wars universe between the Death Stars.

The thing is, Cassian is Cassian in Andor and Rogue One, they’re not different characters. If people don’t like him in his show they simply don’t like him at all. There’s not how time progression works, the man from Andor will become the man from Rogue One and everything we see in the show is used to build his character and give substance to his actions in the movie. If they are “angry” at Cassian because of who he is, they just don’t like him.

I don't know if I agree in this instance. Rogue One came first. Yes, Andor is a prequel, but that doesn't change the fact that we already knew and loved Cassian from Rogue One. Then Andor came and changed core traits of him, and I'm not just talking about the backstory. It feels like Cassian but not *quite*, like a funhouse mirror version of him. We've had 5 years with RO Cassian, and just because it's a prequel that doesn't automatically make it good. You say it's a progression, except that a lot of us feel it doesn't quite add up to who he becomes at the end. You're allowed to like Cassian from RO and be upset and feel that they messed up his backstory.

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One thing that is so refreshing about Andor is its takes on antifascism and the far left. So often in media, there’s always the morally pure heroes who fight evil - and then there’s the radical groups are also fighting, but are judged to be morally wrong. There’s literally hundreds of examples of this, but the first one that comes to mind is Jet in Avatar: The Last Airbender. Jet fights against the fire nation, and Aang determines that he is too extreme.

This is not the case in Andor, which is a fresh of breath air. We see Saw Gerrara, the one who was the paranoid, radical person in Rogue One, in a good light. We see Luthen, who does very morally questionable things, chief among them sacrificing Kreegyr and his entire crew, portrayed in a sympathetic light as well. And there is Andor, who shoots first and asks questions later. None of them are shaped like “the enemy” or "just as bad as the enemy". Why? Because we see throughout the show that no matter how bad characters such as Luthen and Saw get, it will NEVER come even CLOSE to the atrocities of the Empire.

In episode 7, our most morally pure character, Mon Mothma, is horrified when she realizes what Luthen has done on Aldhani. She argues that it will make things worse, and Luthen takes the pragmatic approach and seemingly doesnt care about the lives he is ruining in the process. It makes you question how “right” he is. But during that same episode, you see the horror of Bix's torture. You hear the account of the whole planet that the Empire slaughtered, delivered in an unbothered tone. You see Cassian unjustly imprisoned, and the following few episodes you are gaping in horror at the dystopian prison system.

When you are fighting against something that evil, there is no morally good way to do it. Not fighting has more consequences than fighting. Saw, Luthen, Mothma, Cassian - they all have the same goal, regardless of methods. I was cheering whenever imperials were shot in the chest. In the season finale, I screeched with joy when the pipe bomb was finally thrown, and was also cheering when Dedra was trampled to the ground.