#sasuke vs kage

[uchiha-itachi-amaterasu]

Sasuke Uchiha By Leork-Dream on deviantart

He gave up everything for you…

(Uchiha Obito to Uchiha Sasuke about Uchiha Itachi - Naruto by Masashi Kishimoto)

[samasmith23]

Also, while Sasuke was justified in being seeking justice against Danzo (because screw that bastard! NOBODY likes Danzo…), him wanting to take his anger out on the ENTIRE Leaf Village despite Danzo & those 2 council elders knowing the truth about the Uchiha Clan Massacre is going too far! Sasuke’s downward spiral during the Five Kage Summit arc is meant to be a cautionary tale about the dangers of revenge, and how it can completely warp an individual into doing truly terrible things that negatively impact themselves & everyone else! The moment Sasuke announced his desire to kill not just Danzo and the 2 elders, but every single person in the Leaf Village, his actions no longer became about justice, but revenge. And as Rachel Dawes from Batman Begins once eloquently stated:

Sasuke was definitely in the darkness 3 years before he considered sakura a preciseous comrade and begged Naruto to save her during sand invasion he considered team 7 family

The whole point of sasuke trying to kill sakura was to show how far gone he was but if you actually read Naruto you know a sasuke was in his right mind wound never Hurt sakura

Sasuke was no doubt in the darkness and it's always these same people who also deny curse of hatred and Keep trying to claim tobirama made it up

I really don't know why people are still trying to claim that the Sasuke in the Land of Iron was all there mentally. This is the same Sasuke who was laughing manically, who accused the entire village of apparently laughing and making fun of Itachi, and who threatened to murder each and every one of them.

It's the same stupid pattern I keep seeing. They say "the fandom treats it as if he went crazy with bloodlust and lost himself, when in reality he was seeking justice against a genocidal state". And once again they're acting as if he can't seek justice while having lost himself. The two are not mutually exclusive, why can't they understand that?

Do they really think that the manner in which he sought justice, was representative of a clear head, completely free from hatred? His revenge was not contained to solely those who did he and his clan wrong, it grew to include every single villager who had absolutely nothing to do with the Uchiha massacre.

[werethecurtainsblue]

Recently I rewatched the entirety of Naruto (and read some of my favourite arcs), and I noticed something that I JUST have to talk about. This is a rather lengthy analysis of Naruto and Sasuke’s relationship and mindset, so please bear with me 😭

During my first watch, I was guilty of thinking that Sasuke changed his mind rather abruptly during VOTE 2. I didn’t understand how he abandoned his revolution after one single fight. But on rewatch… damn. Kishi might be a terrorist, but he knew what he was doing with Naruto and Sasuke. (Panels attached for proof?)

Rather lengthy analysis of Naruto, Sasuke, and the foreshadowing for Sasuke's eventual redemption:

It all begins during the ‘Five Kage’ arc (suicide pact my beloved). Naruto’s grand answer to the entire dilemma Nagato and Jiraiya posed to him — how will you find peace? — was just “I'll bear the world's hatred. Then lets both fight and die together?” (Insane behaviour. Someone please give my frog boy a hug).

But then, it goes a little deeper. Then slowly, it all starts to make sense? For Naruto, this was never about protecting Konoha. Not truly (I don't recognize any other patriotic canon gbless). We see him struggling throughout the Five Kage arc, grappling with the questions posed by Pein, and the weight of everything he's learnt about Sasuke. Everything his beloved village has done to the boy he loves.

Because now... Naruto finally understands. He's felt the righteousness of vengeance. He's looked at a man and felt nothing but burning hatred. How could he not? Pein killed his master-Jiraiya.

That's when he understands Sasuke.

Pein's question about how Naruto intends to find peace is far far deeper than just shinobi politics. For Naruto, the question is quite simple. How does he intend to save Sasuke, if he himself is falling into the same pitfalls of revenge. If he 'pulls the trigger', then with what face is he supposed to then ask Sasuke to abandon his revenge. (Man I fucking love the pein arc).

(I would like to point out how Konoha has always treated revenge differently when it comes to other shinobi vs an Uchiha. Shikamaru was not only encouraged, but given state support to avenge his sensei. But Sasuke must abandon the notion of avenging his whole family?)

That is when Naruto finally understands. And it almost destroys him. The Naruto we see in the Five Kage arc - taking beatings for Sasuke, begging the Raikage to spare Sasuke on his knees, having panic attacks and nightmares. Perhaps on some level, Naruto is punishing himself for feeling the same anger and hatred that's come to consume Sasuke. Because he understands, and he has no idea how to get past it.

And that pain of not know how to save Sasuke... it's brutal for him.

In that moment, all hope seems lost. Sasuke descends deeper and deeper into his madness. Naruto is a shell of himself just after his most triumphant moment (Saving Konoha).

And then, we get this:

Naruto's answer to the whole dilemma about peace is self-sacrifice?????????? (Bc ofc it is with this boy. He'd rather die before perpetuating the same cycles).

Naruto has begged and pleaded and taken beatings to protect Sasuke. To somehow try and stop the cycle of hatred by sheer willpower. The lesson? The world... simply doesn't care.

Pein said that 'humans can never understand each other', and perhaps Naruto believes that is because of all the burden, anger, trauma, and hatred they carry. Naruto and Sasuke were victims of that hatred. This world shaped them into who they are, irrevocably.

The answer? Humans can understand each other. Naruto and Sasuke can understand each other. But only free of the constraints that hold them back.

Only in death when Naruto is no longer a Jinchuriki, and Sasuke is no longer the last Uchiha, can they let go of all their suffering and resentment, and truly... truly accept each other. Because Sasuke's pain is too deep. His anger and hatred is... understandable. Naruto gets it now. He gets that he can no longer just ask Sasuke to drop everything and return.

He also... can't not defend Konoha. So the solution he lands on - suicide pact - seems inevitable to Naruto. He almost welcomes the prospect of the two no longer having to shoulder their burdens. A world where Naruto and Sasuke are free to love each other without their pasts haunting them.

Flash-forward to VOTE 2:

After their fated clash. It's exactly as Naruto prophesized. They're both beaten, bloody, and on the brink of dying. The anime goes further, and shows that Sasuke believes they're both dead. And for the first time... The first time since VOTE 1... we see him show explicit care towards Naruto? Because now that they're dead, he can finally breathe. He never hated Naruto. He just couldn't... let him in. Because of his anger. Because of his trauma when it came to Konoha and his clan.

They're no longer an Uchiha and a Jinchuriki. They're Naruto and Sasuke. Orphans. Their closest bonds. Finally, Sasuke is allowed to feel Naruto's pain, and care for him.

Finally, he doesn't need to be strong. Only in death is he free to be Sasuke.

Kishi himself even calls back to the suicide pact moment, tying it all back beautifully.

Again, Naruto thinks they're both dead:

And that's when Sasuke laughs. Now that - believing he was dead - he'd allowed himself to feel all the care and love and affection he had for Naruto. He just cannot go back to the place of isolation he'd been trapped in before.

Perhaps that's why Sasuke was so stubborn about cutting off Naruto. Because he knew that he loved Naruto so deeply that if he let himself feel it, he'd drop everything in an instant for that bond. Now that he's let himself feel it, he can never go back. So he finally lets it all go:

Naruto was always right. In a different way. To finally understand each other and accept each other, they had to let go of all their past and trauma. Perhaps death was the answer. Not literally, but metaphorically.

To all those who claim Sasuke never loved Naruto, or was 'toxic' to him. Sasuke loved Naruto: deeply, unconditionally. He loved him so much that he knew he'd drop all of his revenge in a heart beat for him. But his past... simply wouldn't let him.

In hindsight, the moment Sasuke let Naruto in, he was always going to change his mind. That is what Naruto knew all the way back during Five Kage arc. It's why he stopped chasing after Sasuke, and waited for him to come to him first.

In a twisted way, Sasuke's strong love was exactly the reason why he was so intent on cutting Naruto out. But in the end, I'm just glad my boys worked it out lol.

Anyways, if you read this far, thanks for coming to my ted talk lmao.

(Yes, I was sobbing as I typed this out. I just love them both so much).

[sasukeless]

sasuke vs the kages at the 5ks

[snsism]

something kabuto said caught my attention when i was reading kabuto vs. the uchiha brothers' fight, and it was this panel right here.

"you can read other people's feelings"

this really struck me, especially after looking back at itachi and naruto's talk in chapter 366.

itachi asked naruto, why does he care so much about sasuke when he literally abandoned him. (in other translations, he asked naruto why was he so obsessed with sasuke). naruto got mad, basically saying that for him, sasuke was like his brother and told itachi he was a better brother than he ever were.

in the next panel, itachi has a speech bubble with dots, indicating he wanted to say something but chose not to. then, he smiled as if he knew something. interestingly, kishi only drew his mouth, not his eyes.

in chapter 403, naruto thought about his conversation with itachi which made me a bit more suspicious.

itachi asked naruto, what would he do if sasuke refused to come back to the village in which naruto replies that he'll do whatever it takes to bring him back.

"you just said sasuke is like a brother to you. im asking what you'd do if your 'brother' attacked konoha."

the first thing that caught my eye was the punctuation " " between the brother and the second thing i've noticed is that it almost sounded like itachi was mocking naruto and the emphasize on " " between the word, brother, only added to the fuel.

what we know so far is that itachi could read people's emotions with his eyes. he smiled and mocked naruto for calling sasuke his brother.

in these panels, to me it looks like itachi was playing a little with naruto's feelings, trying to get a reaction out of him by asking if he would be able to stop sasuke, even if it meant killing him.

just look at naruto's face, itachi definitely touched a nerve there. but what made me pause and think was itachi's next sentence.

"can you choose between sasuke and konoha?"

he read naruto's feelings for sasuke, smiled, mocked him, and then asked if he would be able to kill him and / or if he would be able to choose between sasuke and the village they both protected. this clearly indicates that for naruto sasuke was someone so precious that it made itachi doubt and ask that question.

the real question is:

could naruto really choose between sasuke and konoha?

yes, he could, and he admitted it himself in kage summit arc. naruto searched for the raikage and pleaded him to stop sasuke's execution.

mind you, a few chapters back, he told people, for example, nagato, that killing anyone for revenge was wrong and promised them that he'll change the world of hatred. yet here he was threatening the raikage that if he doesn't spare sasuke's life, there will be war between konoha and kumo.

it clearly shows here that he was speaking more for himself instead of the whole village, who also became wary about sasuke. he was willing to sacrifice konoha for sasuke.

naruto started pleading the raikage on his knees, begging him to spare sasuke's life, but at the same time threatening him and his village, trying to justify sasuke's actions and his desire for revenge and started crying in front of everyone.

the raikage mentioned how oddly naruto acted and basically called him out by saying that it is not normal for a shinobi to beg for a criminal's life.

in the end, naruto himself answers itachi's question.

he would choose sasuke over konoha in a heartbeat.

in that chapter, itachi also told naruto how he was still acting like a child and how he needed to realize that he would be forced to make impossible decisions like this. naruto confessed that there was someone else (jiraiya), who told him the same thing, but naruto has made his choice and he won't go back on his word because that's his ninja way. itachi smiled knowingly / warmly at naruto's response. he knew naruto would do anything in his power to save sasuke, and he knew how deeply he cared for him.

also, the right person that could paint sasuke's blank canvas in every color the person wanted was definitely naruto. naruto, who never gave up on sasuke, who sacrificed himself but also konoha for sasuke, who fought everyone who spoke ill of sasuke, who was willing to die with him, who saved sasuke from the dark, painting sasuke in every color, in a new light.

[martialartslover7]

Sakura VS Sasuke (Kage Summit Arc - Rewrite)

Alright, I cannot hide this anymore. I HAVE to show this. Because I was so freaking annoyed with how the writing of Naruto Shippuden took a serious nosedive after the Pain arc (literally, the only big positive I can name, is Sasuke FINALLY killing that son of a bitch, Danzo, the guy just had it coming with his disgusting anti-Uchiha sentiment, abusing their power for his own aspirations), especially how the Five Kage Summit arc got concluded, with all of Sakura's sacrifices, once again, ultimately leading to yet another failure of hers, which, for some of her supposed IQ level, is just disgraceful (and mind you, I am not blaming Sakura, I am blaming Kishimoto for being a living laughingstock when it comes to writing females, I repeat myself, but this shit seriously gets on my nerves here, because the fandom is just as illiterate, as he is in writing any character with a vagina, on top of being a toxic cesspool too). You can dislike Sakura all you want, but it doesn't change the fact, she is part of the main cast, yet during this arc, where she could have done SOMETHING, she only ended up being a liability, yet again. All that training, all this yearning and devotion, all the sacrifices she made to get to this point to try and face Sasuke on her own terms, and she only ends up hitting a brickwall, as always. As if, all her attributes mean absolutely nothing, and she only exists for Naruto, or anyone else to save her, even in her best form. Yeah, no.

FUCK. EVERY. SINGLE PART. ABOUT ALL THIS.

And well, with all this in mind, I decided to rewrite the entire endgame portion of this arc, down to the root of it. Instead of Sakura hesitating, you will NOT be seeing this with me, the girls in Naruto are all queens, and deserve to be more than just the labels that Kishimoto put on them. She won't kill Sasuke, but she will beat the ever-living crap out of him. He is injured, blinded, exhausted and drained of almost all chakra. It would be STUPID to not see the chance, and get all in. Maximum effort.

And I was actually inspired to write this story, thanks to another dedicated Sakura fan on Twitter, who made this lengthy post, showcasing their efforts to rewrite that portion of the Kage Summit arc, as well. Go and check them out, this story wouldn't have been possible without them. In fact, I took a few notes from it, to write the fight choreography. You will notice, once I show you.

Side-note: And unlike what the canon story did, I will NOT go this route with the cast, Kakashi and the other Jonin will slowly catch on to the fact that, Danzo, and the Konoha elders, had always been the true evil, this whole time. And the assault on the Leaf village, along with the fact that, Naruto's arrival was uncomfortably delayed, all can be traced back to the elders, and mind you, for those who have read my "The Hero, The Blind & The Martyr" story (click the title to immediately get there, to get back up to speed, especially in the final portion), as a follow-up of the rewrite, Nagato had dropped a hint for them to take seriously. That there is a traitor among them, and he wasn't talking about Sasuke. So yes, once the war is over, do not expect Kakashi to play bootlicker to these assholes. And Sasuke WILL be getting the peace and pardoning he, and the rest of his family and clan, so dearly deserve. And Sakura is not blind to it either, anymore.

Especially not Neji, Shikamaru and Kiba, whose families unveil more evidence of what the elders had done, behind the scenes. Yes, another link, connecting to this story, and that is this one:

"Weird Wednesday Headcanon: Outside of Team 7, Neji, Shikamaru and Kiba sympathize the most with Sasuke's fall from grace after the Five Kage Summit"

And now, time for the main event, here is the link:

Sakura VS Sasuke (Kage Summit Arc - Rewrite) - AO3

PEACE.

[animeomegas]

Ah, sorry! I meant after they get married and maybe are starting a family, which omegas would become stay at home parents vs working parents

-sauce anon

Okay, I got it! Here are my thoughts~ I've just done parents, because I don't think many of them would retire after a marriage. I think the only ones who might retire after marriage might be Kankuro and maybe Sai. Itachi would too, if he was allowed, but eh, the clan probably don't agree to it until he's pregnant.

Working parentings (workload that takes them away from family time more often):

Naruto - Becoming hokage was his dream, and he feels a great responsibility for his village that he could never let go off. It's a massive part of his life, and he couldn't give it up, no matter what.

Sasuke - He does not have the mental fortitude to be a stay-at-home parent. He quite simply couldn't cope feeling cooped up and trapped by his child. Sasuke is a better parent when he has some time alone, and some time to travel a bit.

Shikamaru - I've put him here and in the category below, because I think it does fluctuate. He has a massive workload, and it's something he feels he doesn't have a choice in taking. He's the sort of person who never feels like he's done enough, and yet is always working too much. It's not his identity though. He works because he feels he has to.

Gaara - Again, another kage here, with the massive workload that comes with that. To his credit, I think Gaara manages to find the best balance out of the men in this category, but he still works a lot. I think, like Naruto, he feels the responsibility and care to his village, and he could never abandon them.

Working parents (workload that keeps them around more often):

Shino - He's a teacher at the academy, so while he is a working parent, he is around a lot, as he goes to school with the pups, and then also walks home with them. That being said, he would probably take leave when his pups were babies/toddlers and stay at home full time, unless his alpha was staying at home with them. Aburame culture dictates that one parent should stay at home if there are pups, and the clan helps support that financially.

Shikamaru (again) - However, continuing on Shikamaru, if his alpha ever made a breakthrough on getting him to make his own decisions, or it got to the point where Shikamaru had to step back from being the Hokage's aid to run the clan, he's around a bit more. I think this balance would be the one that made him happiest, but he needs a push to get there.

Iruka - He's similar to Shino, although depending on his age, he might be the head of the academy. He stops taking extra shifts or missions once he has children and focuses on teaching. He could never leave his students. I think he would get bored just staying at home, so working suits him better.

Flexible parents (those that might not work, but might as well, depends on the circumstances):

Chouji - I think he would want to be around when his pups were very young for sure, but after that, I think it depends. He would eventually be taking over the clan, but that might be when his children are older anyway. He might run missions on occasion, if he's well suited. If his children needed him more for whatever reason, he wouldn't though. It's very situational.

Kisame - I think he wouldn't mind staying home with small children, but once they hit school age, he would get too bored without things to do. I'm not sure what work he would be doing in a world where he was stable enough to have children, but he'd find something, maybe collecting bounties.

Yamato - He wants his children to know that he is always there for them no matter what, so I think he'd feel guilty working. But once they were in school, he'd probably find a job that fit around school hours. Even if it was just helping around the village with the mokuton. I think he'd like to do that.

Stay-at-home parents:

Kiba - He's got far too many to dump on someone else XD No, Kiba is happiest with his family. Work schmerk. There is literally no way he could be bored. With how many he has, he often has a child small enough to require attention all day.

Neji - He is determined to go back to work after having a baby. Absolutely, 100% sure. But every time it gets to the point where he should be returning to taking missions, he makes up some arbitrary reason why he can't. "They've been anxious about nursery, I think I should stay at home until they settle", "They need to finish their medicine for the infection, I'll stay home to make sure they take it", "They said they don't enjoy school... maybe I should homeschool?" He ends up staying home until they leave the house, and by then his priorities have changed.

Itachi - All he wants to do is stay at home. He would have retired after marriage if his clan wouldn't have thrown a fit over it. Once he quits taking missions, he's never going back. He's a bit lost after his children leave home, and he mourns not having as many as he would have liked. Until he's provided with grandchildren or chickens to look after lol.

(I was really, really torn on Minato and how I wanted to characterise him, so I left him off. If it was canon Minato, it would be the top one for sure, but I don't know if that's how I want to go with him, idk.)

[uchiha-itachi-amaterasu]

When a man comes to know love he must bear the risk of hatred.

_Uchiha Obito about Uchiha Sasuke and Uchiha Itachi - Sasuke vs Konoha - Naruto by Masashi Kishimoto

[evilkitten3]

(i don't mind, you can @ me whenever!)

i'm only gonna talk about hashirama for right now bc i tend to project a bit too much when it comes to madara being low emp lmao ("he's just like me for real" and whatnot)

so one thing about hashirama that's pretty consistently shown throughout the series (well. throughout the 4th war, anyway. not gonna pretend i remember too much about when he first got revived during the chuunin exams lol) is that he. doesn't really get people all that well. he cares a lot, that much is obvious, but during his flashback he repeatedly fails to really understand where madara is emotionally at all.

his response to madara telling him that izuna died from the wound tobirama inflicted on him but left him with the power to protect the clan is basically "i sent you a letter about a truce agreement; if you want to protect your clan then let's stop fighting", but even though the hashirama telling the story seems aware of what kind of position madara was in, the hashirama at the time doesn't. the uchiha clan is losing; it's becoming more and more apparent that they aren't going to be able to win. to hashirama, that means it's a good time for a ceasefire, but to. pretty much everyone else, any agreement they come to will just be the uchiha surrendering.

madara intends for that fight to be the deciding factor. either the eternal mangekyou will be enough to beat hashirama and the uchiha will triumph, or it won't and they'll be permanently defeated. but the situation the clan is in at that moment isn't sustainable, and surrendering to the clan they've been enemies with since forever is a death sentence. the only option in his eyes is to defeat the senju. or, if that fails, die trying. hashirama isn't in that position. the senju clan is doing well, they're winning, they have the advantage in nearly any negotiations that might happen. he can't understand where madara is coming from.

one thing i find interesting about their final pre-konoha fight is - and i have no clue if the anime kept this the same - that madara is the only uchiha shown to be present. we're shown plenty of senju, but if there are any uchiha aside from madara there, we don't see them. to me, those shows three things: first, that the defections to the senju deeply impacted madara's ability to trust his clan (which was probably already tough bc he doesn't like people standing behind him - he doesn't want to be a leader; it's just his duty). second, that he was aware that any final showdown between him and hashirama wouldn't really be affected by the presence of anyone else- there weren't any senju aside from hashirama who were a threat to him, so he didn't need to bring anyone else. he could leave them out entirely. and third, he knew he wouldn't be able to kill hashirama. whether he didn't think he'd be physically capable, or if he doubted his own resolve, or even if he thought he could but would either die in the attempt or be so badly hurt that any bystander could take him out, he didn't intend to walk away from that fight.

that's something he makes pretty clear with his ultimatum to hashirama: kill your brother, or kill yourself. to madara, the choice is obvious- ignore the defeated enemy's words and kill him. madara could never dream of killing izuna himself (at least, the madara at that time couldn't; hard to say about post-rinne rebirth'd madara), and he can't rely on anyone else to protect his clan so killing himself would also be out. he wants hashirama to kill him, and he's giving him a way to do it that even the uchiha clan would be able to understand ("he asked you to kill your own brother??? dude wtf").

but hashirama either doesn't understand that or simply refuses to. to him, in that moment, madara and the dream of the village are one and the same. and he does trust his little brother (even if he really, really shouldn't, at least not when it comes to the uchiha...), so he has no problem with leaving the dream to tobirama and madara, and trusting them to heed his final words and end the fighting. he's sad that he won't be there to see it, but so long as it happens, he can live with that. well, uh. not live with that, but you know what i mean.

he shows the same faith in tobirama when he makes him his successor (presumably...? idk if it was ever clearly established that hashirama picked him out; i can't remember) in spite of madara's (correct) belief that entrusting the village to tobirama will lead to the uchiha clan's downfall. he himself was able to move past their clans' history, and madara was too to an extent, so surely tobirama can too. but tobirama's hate for the uchiha and fear of madara specifically is something he can't get past. to be clear, i'm not really judging tobirama too much on that - the war was clearly a deeply traumatic, fucked up thing, and i think it'd be pretty hard for anybody to just set it all aside and move on. there's probably something to be said about tobirama's desire to not disappoint his brother clashing with his inability to accept the uchiha and ultimately resulting in both his theories concerning the clan itself and whatever connection he had with kagami, but. i frankly do not care very much about tobirama one way or the other. i have very little interest in him outside of his relationships with characters i'm more interested in (hashirama, madara, hiruzen, danzou, etc.)

anyway, hashirama is extremely aware of his own absurd power, and that he's. pretty much a walking god among men, but i think he either doesn't notice or chooses to ignore that that deeply impacts his ability to understand almost anyone else. madara might've been the first person - maybe the only person - he was ever able to really feel like he had an understanding with, and if that's the case then i can absolutely understand why it was so hard for him to accept as an adult that they no longer shared the understanding they had as children. madara is also pretty much the only person able to see past just how dangerous hashirama is - tobirama is a decent second in that area; he's got no problem yelling at hashirama and scolding him and whatnot, but as soon as hashirama goes into Seriously Angry Mode, he backs down right away (again, understandable. i also would not want super tree god man to be genuinely angry with me). madara doesn't have that restraint - hashirama's serious mode doesn't scare him at all (or if it does. well. scared and horny etc etc)

one final thing before i wrap this up, is that hashirama's understanding of madara is also affected by just how much time has passed between them. regardless of how long hashirama lived after killing madara (my guess is not all that long), madara lived for decades after hashirama's death. he doesn't know him anymore. so it's hard for me to say whether it's the distance between who they were and who they are or just hashirama being no emp, but i think his attempt at getting sasuke to try to talk to madara bc of his resemblance to izuna could also be relevant. bit harder to say tho since i don't own that volume (yet).

@evilkitten3 (if you don't like being @, just tell me!)

Your take about Madara and Hashirama having low/no empathy got me thinking (in a good way, ofc, as I have low emp as well and, knowing you're like this yourself, your opinion feels more genuine to me)

If you want to, could you elaborate more on that?

[luna-blood]

I was debating on YouTube about Sasuke but YouTube deletes comments, especially those that have a link. It was also difficult for me to search for the publications. So I gave myself the task of collecting posts from all Sasuke fans and neutral critics of the work 'Naruto' that talk about Sasuke and his relationship with the other Naruto characters. I have also included my contributions, such as questions to other users and post responses. I hope this post helps you when you need support when you are debating in favor of Sasuke. Without anything else to say, I leave you the links:

Positive qualities of Sasuke.

Sasuke's chakra is extremely powerful, voluminous, and denser than Senjutsu chakra!

It is false that Bee could have killed Sasuke any time he wanted.

¡Sasuke has been shown to nullify mortal wounds with Raiton!

Sasuke is literally the first person to survive the Raikage's Liger Bomb.

All Sasuke received from Raikage was a small lip bleed, while Raikage lost an arm and another Kage, Gaara, had to intervene to save his leg and his life.

Orochimaru's "physical condition" has nothing to do with his ritual and Sasuke's victory.

Analysis Sasuke vs Deidara.

Sasuke killed Danzo; he did not commit suicide.

Are Itachi and Kakashi really prodigies at the level their fans believe them to be? No.

The only reason Naruto managed to hurt Kaguya was because Sasuke forced her to change dimensions more than once and she herself had changed dimensions about four times in total.

Because Sasuke haters say that Haku is simply more tragic and a better person than Sasuke; and Batman too!

What is it about Sasuke that provokes people so much, compared to all the other fictional characters (in and out of Naruto) who have done bad things? Gaara was killing people for fun in part 1, but no one ever complains about him not being punished. Zuko from ATLA burned down a village of civilians, sent a hitman after Team Avatar, and was just lucky that no civilian was injured/killed, but everyone adores him. But Sasuke is unredeemable for threatening to destroy the village?

A back and forth on why Sasuke is a much better realized character, with thematic and narrative depth, compared to Kurapika and Zuko.

Sasuke is the imperfect victim unlike the perfect victims of ATLA and Full Metal Alchemist.

Sasuke's character is too good for the Naruto universe.

Are people upset that Sasuke was going to let the Shinobi Alliance perish?

Sasuke as a feminist icon.

Sakura is a female incel.

Sakura is a narcissistic.

Sakura inserted herself because she wanted validations from people who were out of her league, that's why. She is perfect for self-insert.

The mere idea of turning over an entire manga in your head in which Sasuke hides a raging boner (at age 12) for Sakura is... repulsive. Don't you have anything better to do?

Sasuke never kissed Sakura.

The blow on the forehead is not the maximum expression of love.

Naruto Gaiden is a fucking masterpiece! It proves that Sasuke doesn't love Sakura.

Sasuke retsuden is not canon.

Sasuke retsuden is not canon, Jun Esaka herself said it and if you are a fan of Sasuke it is normal that you hate Sakura because Sasuke is unhappy with her.

Sasuke still considers Sakura inferior.

Sasuke didn't push Sakura away because of the curse of hate.

Sasuke rejected Sakura, Ino and Karin, he didn't push them away because he was afraid.

Sasuke is not in love with Karin and did not have sex in part 2 with Karin.

Why Karin's fans say she had sex with Sasuke in part 2.

What does Kakashi know about the genocide and the physical and mental torture that would lead the child victim to a fatal coma, at the hands of a family member?

Naruto is a narcissistic.

Why Naruto is the worst character.

How can anyone read the two chapter panels showing two very different worlds the characters occupy and be surprised by the way it ended? They were not going to reconcile since the world where Sasuke exists is the antithesis of the world where his former team resides.

Lee was never "good” at Taijutsu, let alone being a genius at it. The series' main theme, revolves around bonds. When the manga began, Naruto let loose Kurama (unintentionally) against Haku, breaking all Ice Mirrors that ... no Jutsu could break; and that, happened way back in the Waves Arc. How does that associate "hard-work" with Naruto's character, upon whom many poor souls project their misfortunes to feel vindicated, when two geniuses (Sasuke and Kakashi) in the near-vicinity failed? Naruto powered through this via nothing but brute force; and that isn't a precursor to hard-work. That's the exact opposite. With the beginning of the next Arc, the "if we work hard, we could beat all odds, too" trope lovers got their kicks from Sasuke's humiliation at Lee's hands (or gates?); but then they conveniently forget that Lee himself stated that what Sasuke accomplished was literally impossible for someone like him (he even emphasized on this argument). Gai even went so far as to state that even with the Sharingan's power, Sasuke should never have been able to do what he did (he literally invented his own Taijutsu maneuver from Lee's in a single day; if that's not prodigious, I don't know what is); and Gai, last I checked, is an authority on the subject of Taijutsu, not you—yes, you! Sasuke mastered Kimimaro's CS in under two hours whilst Lee survived simply because Kimimaro was dying and he literally died whilst delivering a death-blow to Gaara and Lee; so thematically, narratively, and metaphorically, Sasuke matched an adversary against whom both Gaara and Lee lost? That and Lee was outshined by Sasuke twice in a row, going so far as to undermine Lee in his own life endeavors that involved years of sweat and tears?

Shikamaru's revenge is meaningless unlike Sasuke's.

People who support Nagato but vilify Sasuke sound a lot more idiotic than they think.

In defense of Fugaku.

How does Sasuke's revolution develop?

Why didn't the narrative validate Sasuke's radical change from Konoha's Will of Fire to the Revolution?

Itachi massacred the clan out of conscience.

The difference between Kushina and Itachi is not that big.

The policies of Tobirama Senju and the Uchiha genocide.

At what point will people stop demanding Sasuke?

Tsunade was at the forefront of the Second Shinobi World War that massacred the people of Nagato, plundered their land's resources, and continued to use the land as a battlefield resulting in mass deaths, poverty, and suffering. A war that Konoha started.

Why do so many people still blame Sasuke for Sasuke's past?

Uchihas do not have mental illnesses.

Sasuke vs Readers without empathy.

Kishimoto canon vs Studio Pierrot fanservice.

The brilliant change of perspective and theme between Hebi and Taka Sasuke; and that there is no writing defect in the moment in which Sasuke stabs Karin to reach Danzō.

Tobirama never accepted the Uchiha as true allies like Hashirama did, never trusting them, something he admitted so openly that his brother had to warn him "not to continue pursuing the Uchiha." And the Uchiha weren't planning to kill innocent people, they were planning to take over the government itself.

Kishimoto is anti sasusaku and anti naruhina.

Kishimoto never wanted to write Boruto.

The real Sasuke fans.

Sasuke winking at Sakura was never happened in the manga, it was a translation error.

Sasuke didn't stalk Sakura.

Sasuke as a victim of genocide is realistic to the real world and does not act like a serial killer.

[bright-hope-spot-19]

All right, so there's a little something I wanted to rant about. I like Sasuke a lot, too, but there's one small thing his fans seem to mostly agree on that I just can't. It's in regards to the Kage meeting arc when Sasuke showed up, and he had a little confrontation vs. The sand sibs. As we know, Gaara tried to convince him not to turn to the darkness, even shedding a few tears, while Kank and Tem gave arguments as to why, in their opinions, Sasuke was a lost cause.

Sasuke stans proceed to respond to that scene by pointing out the hypocrisy of the sand sibs accusing Sasuke of being a hopeless criminal cause they're also criminals! They attacked Konoha, played active roles in an invasion, and killed people too! It just makes me wanna pull my hair out cause, no? Did they even pay attention to the chunin exams arc, or are they just making sheez up?

First things first, the sand sibs were all kids in that arc. They thought they were following their dad's orders, not even knowing their dad had been killed and they were being manipulated by Orochimaru. So, making them responsible for the attack is a bit bonkers? The elder was Temari, and she was just 15. She even has a canon scene in the manga questioning the validity of their attack on Konoha cause she genuinely didn't want to do it. It was Baki their sensei in charge who gave them a whole spiel about the need for that attack, revealing the dire situation in Suna. Second, it's also funny how Sasuke's trauma is a valid excuse for him lashing out against everyone (I'm not holding it out against him or hating him for it. I also believe Sasuke was justified). But his stans will also turn around and consider the sand sibs' trauma as an invalid excuse for their behavior and the way they acted. Gaara literally had a bloodthirsty demon in his head whispering bloody hell to him 24/7, and Kankuro and Temari were put in charge of watching over a brother who constantly threatened to kill them. In addition to the canon fact, Suna is also stated to be way harsher than the Leaf, especially in their training. No wonder the sibs were such cruel bastards then! It's almost like they also had to grow up in an extremely merciless and unforgiving environment where their lives were at stake almost the entire time!

The sibs also don't kill anyone in that arc? I mean, Gaara certainly did, but not the other two? I mean, they tried, but none of their victims really died. As we all know, Tenten, Shikamaru, and Shino are all still alive. I guess there's Tsurugi, the guy who faced Kank in the pre-lims, but should he really count as a victim? We're never told he died, and he's just an irrelevant background character created to fill up Kabuto's team. He's literally never seen or brought up again after the pre-lims phase. The last detail worth mentioning here: Kankuro and Temari actually indirectly saved the Leaf from further destruction. It sounds crazy but makes sense when seen in retrospect. Once Gaara started losing control of Shukaku in the finals cause Sasuke was kicking his ass and was even the 1st person to make him bleed and the invasion was launched? Kankuro and Temari proceeded to go down to their unstable brother, picked him up, and ran towards the woods and AWAY FROM THE VILLAGE. When Gaara finally transformed into Shukaku and had his fight with Naruto, it was in the woods far away from civilization. If Tem and Kank hadn't done that, he would've transformed in the middle of the stadium, killing thousands in the process. People don't seem to realize if it weren't for Tem and Kank carrying Gaara to the woods and away from the village, then the series would've ended right there.

Do you know why they did that? Because they already had past experiences with Shukaku, Gaara had already gone full beast mode on Suna once, after Yashamaru's failed murder attempt. So, Kank and Tem already knew what it was like and intentionally carried him as far away as possible while he was unconscious, so he wouldn't do the same to Konoha. Because they were never on board with the invasion to begin with. So, it never quite made sense to me when Sasuke stans accused them of being criminals. I mean, yeah, they're shinobi. I'm pretty dang certain the sand sibs are amongst the teams with the highest body counts in the series. But making them fully responsible for the Konoha invasion when it's obvious it was all staged by Orochimaru is a bit much, in my opinion. That wasn't their fault, and I won't trust anyone who holds that against them.

The last point here is that the sand sibs should also not be made responsible for not feeling sympathy for Sasuke. They're from different nations and know very little bout him. We're not even told if these 3 know anything bout the Uchiha massacre. From what I remember, the only things Gaara and Co. know bout him are what they saw in the chunin exams, where Gaara has a canon scene stalking Sasuke's Chidori training with Kakashi and telling him he also has a darkness inside him. In addition to the Sasuke rescue arc. That's the sum of everything they know about Sask, so we can't blame them for not viewing him with the kindest eyes. After all, I really doubt Konoha would let the details of the massacre get out to other villages. And while yeah, that means the most they know bout his family situation is that they're all dead, that also won't mean much to them when half the children in this show are also orphans. So, blaming them cause they considered him a criminal, also doesn't make sense.

It's like, for a comparison, someone called you a hypocrite cause you won't sympathize with a friend of one of your acquaintances whom you're not friends with personally and you know near nothing bout this person, and what little you've seen of this person are negative things putting them in a negative light from your pov. So, when that friend does some bigger bad things, even if they're justified in any way, and you judge the friend for it, your acquaintance who is actually friends with the person will call you a hypocrite cause they actually had their reasons, even if you know nothing bout them.

Again, I'm not a Sasuke hater. I really like his actions, and I'm constantly defending him. I just can't side with half of his fandom hating on the sand sibs for stuff that was way out of their control and that they shouldn't be blamed for, lol.

[mizuki-nikki]

the character development of sasuke uchiha

i’ve been rewatching naruto lately, and today i wanna rant a bit about my first ever anime crush — sasuke uchiha.

not gonna lie, when i was 8, i liked him mostly because he was cool and handsome. super shallow reason, i know, but i was just a kid back then haha.

as i grew up and got into naruto shippuden, it hit me how much sasuke’s character changed. and honestly, being his fan started to get tough. in the og naruto, sasuke was calm, collected, and actually a good friend. but once the whole revenge thing with itachi took over, he started spiraling — lashing out at naruto and losing control.

i didn’t like that side of him, but looking back, it makes sense. he was a kid dealing with trauma most people couldn’t even begin to understand. his entire clan was murdered, and he was manipulated by itachi, orochimaru, and obito. honestly, it’s a miracle he didn’t lose his mind sooner.

sasuke before going rogue was genuinely likable. he worked well with his team, stayed cool under pressure, and thought before acting. that calm attitude was what drew me to him.

and even under orochimaru’s wing, you could still see that composure. he never killed unnecessarily and focused on getting stronger. when he formed team hebi/taka, i really liked how clear-headed and intentional he was. he had a goal, and he stuck to it.

but everything changed after he learned the truth about itachi. that’s when he really snapped. he became unstable, impatient, and reckless. he spiraled into darkness and started making wild decisions — like attacking the five kage summit (which, let’s be real, was kind of an iconic & memorable arc).

then came the war arc. when he suddenly wanted to “help,” i didn’t know how to feel. kishimoto made his character feel super inconsistent at that point. like, bro went rogue, committed actual crimes, and now he wants to be hokage? i remember reading that chapter and being so embarrassed i couldn’t even finish it properly. it was hard being a sasuke fan during that time.

and even after all the major battles — fighting madara, teaming up with naruto and sakura, defeating kaguya — he just decides he wants to kill all the kage? it felt like his character was just bouncing all over the place.

i get that kishimoto wanted to build up to naruto vs sasuke by the end of the story, and yeah, sasuke being alive by the end probably had a lot to do with his popularity. fans would’ve lost their minds if he died.

but honestly? i wouldn’t have minded if that was how it ended. it might’ve hit harder emotionally. if he’d fully joined obito, there would’ve been no turning back, and that could’ve been powerful in its own way.

but let’s put that aside. once sasuke started atoning for everything, i started liking him again. in boruto, his character is honestly peak. he’s mature, composed, powerful, and wise. this version of sasuke is my favorite by far. it’s like when you look back at your past and cringe, but realize all your mistakes helped shape who you are now — that’s sasuke. all the pain, manipulation, and bad choices made him who he is today.

i’m really glad naruto saved him. and i’m glad kishimoto gave him a chance to grow and find peace. compared to other mangaka like isayama or gege, kishimoto’s writing is definitely softer — and sasuke surviving the story is proof of that.

because let’s be honest — if this was attack on titan or jujutsu kaisen, sasuke would’ve been dead by the end of shippuden. no way he’d make it out alive. those writers are ruthless. isayama and gege don’t play around like that haha.

my only real issue with sasuke’s arc is the way kishimoto handled his relationship with sakura. he tried to kill her — multiple times — and then ended up marrying her? i get that people change, but that still feels off to me. probably the only part of his development that doesn’t sit right. but yea, i don't think romance is kishimoto's forte anyway.

but overall? sasuke uchiha has one of the most complex and fascinating character arcs in anime. he’s flawed, he’s messy, but he’s real. and he’s still my favorite character of all time.

[theheirofthesharingan]

What do you think Sasuke did wrong. I'm curious. I'm not a hater I'm just fascinated by fandom in a neutral way. I enjoy the meta and the story as a whole, though there does seem to be a sharp divide between S vs I stans on their respective faults, sins, and where they should be defended. I also don't want to invite any hate to your inbox by S stans so there's no pressure to reply to this.

This post encapsulates what I have to say very well.

When I talk about Sasuke doing some things wrong, it's not in an accusatory and aggressive way, but the mere admission of those being the truth, whereas most of his fans don't want to admit this. And if they do, they will blame Itachi or some other characters, despite it all being a string of trauma and pain going on from one person to another.

Sasuke is a child who didn't have anything in his control from the beginning. He always felt powerless and whenever he tried to get better, whatever goal he had, proved way too gigantic. These feelings of hopelessness and inferiority resulted in him doing things he otherwise would not have done.

He hates killing people. But he didn't mind doing so after he learned Itachi's truth. Most of his fans defend it saying "But didn't actually do it", which is true, but he had completely intended to do it, including killing people who were neither responsible for his sufferings nor knew anything about what happened to the clan and Itachi. Why should they be subjected to death and violence they didn't even know about? Sasuke stops and changes his mind after meeting Itachi. Itachi was the only one who could change his mind.

Him attacking Land of Iron is one of those things that is almost never discussed. Yes, everyone over there was a rabid violent monster equivalent of a person, but it was still a politically neutral land, and had it not been for Obito declaring war upon the Five Nations, nobody knows how Sasuke's invasion would have been seen by the others.

He promised Juugo "to be his cage", but after attacking the Kage Sunmit, he deserts him, takes only Karin away because she would be useful for him. And then he stabs Karin. Most of his fans (myself included) prefer Team Taka to Team 7. But they never talk about how Sasuke uses them and then throws them away, without so much as apologizing to them. When Sakura shows up, and Sasuke knew she was a medic ninja, he asks her to kill Karin, instead of trying to help her with her pain. His fans keep saying "he's so kind, he forgave Itachi even if Itachi didn't deserve it", but then don't want to comment how he doesn't extend this kindness to anyone else.

I don't blame him for wanting to hurt Naruto, because Naruto himself didn't know when to understand and let Sasuke go. However, Naruto was rightly concerned about his well-being because Sasuke was going to Orochimaru, the most powerful villain we'd seen so far. The second time, though, Sasuke fully intended to kill him. Naruto may or may not be stronger than him, because a lot of it is their ideological battle in which Kishimoto tries to paint Sasuke as "wrong" and Naruto as "right." However, Sasuke's solution is still more violence and hate, killing his best friend to achieve that. It's completely wrong.

Most of what Sasuke does gets no attention, apart from what his haters do, who hate him for "being rude" and "being stupid", and some people just might not like that kind of personality, because Sasuke can be rude to people even if he doesn't have to. The reason his wrong-doings aren't acknowledged as much is because there are zero consequences of those actions.

He tries to kill Naruto? Naruto is never hurt/damaged enough for it to become his entire personality.

He deserts Team Taka? Again, they unite with him and there are no more talks about it. They aren't even angry.

Tries to kill Karin? She keeps on worshiping the ground he walks, instead of being upset with him one bit.

Tries to rule the world? It doesn't matter. In the anime there is that scene he's put in the jail, but nothing of that sort happens in manga.

He suffers a lot for the things that aren't his fault. And when he is wrong, those are never acknowledged.

Now, I don't blame him for being wrong, because it's all being done under immense emotional and mental burden. And he doesn't really need to be condemned for those things. When he attacks the Kage summit, he's doing so after losing Itachi, and that pain and anger has blinded him. His mental health only keeps getting worse afterwards. So, the things he does are unquestionably wrong, but they have solid explanations. That is, 'Yes, he was wrong, but I can explain his reasoning behind those things.' But many of his fans will keep yelling "Sasuke did nothing wrong", and in the process they blame other characters.

To them, Sasuke's trauma is responsible for what he does, but Itachi doesn't get that pass. Kakashi should have 100% supported him when he said he needed to train in order to kill Itachi, and Kakashi denying to do it, because he was speaking from his own experiences, makes him bad.

They'll tell you Sasuke was shaped by his trauma, which is the truth, but then want to pretend that others aren't.

Also, yes, there is a divide between their fans. But I've never Itachi fans being aggressive towards others. Being defensive of him, yes, but hateful and aggressive, no. At least not to the degree it's become a norm.

Don't worry about the hate. I have blocked some of his fans who used to frequent my blog. I think I'll be blocking others too. I am a fan too, but I love both him and Itachi with their flaws and despite them.

[maoam]

You've posted about the internalized homophobia from naruto's character writing. Other sns blog also posted about him being written as a closeted gay and the one who is in-denial about the nature of his feelings/relationship to sasuke, what with him not being able to define his feelings when sasuke kept asking him why did you go so far for me? So naruto always just says it's because of friendship as a cop-out. Also how sasuke looks unsatisfied and lowkey annoyed the last time naruto says it at the end in vote2, which ofc led him to ask naruto to clarify more and all. I agree with all the analysis that says sasuke has always been the one who is more self aware about the romantic implications of their bond from the start.

But what I'm trying to ask here is specifically about something from naruto's side. We've established that there is that one panel where he was thinking about sasuke and then when sai and sakura approaches he says he was thinking of sakura instead. Other sns blog also has posted on how naruto's entire "childhood crush" on sakura is just a projection of his feelings on sasuke, citing panels on how he didn't react when Lee made a move on sakura but everytime it's sasuke that is involved, he always went above and beyond to show how 'jealous' he is. I also agree with this and you also has posted about when minato assumed sakura was his girlfriend, he hastily didn't correct him to please his family's expectation. All of this is very much familiar to a closeted/in-denial gay person who is experiencing comphet and wants to appease to heteronormativity to conform.

Which brought me to my concern here. It always rubbed me the wrong way how one of the life advice Kushina gave him is to find a 'nice girl'. Especially how we know that after the war, he was also being guilttripped to accept hinata's confession. In a comic written by kishi after the last, the villagers are shown to be in awe of the 'picture perfect' couple of the soon-to-be-hokage and the heiress, implying that the entire reason nh happens is for this. To paint a respectable image for the war hero amidst the village's politics. All of this leading to gaiden/boruto where it is shown that while he does loves his family (in the same way he 'loves' the village, 'loves' being a hokage) there is some intentional distance that he kept from them. Other than constantly choosing to be on the office rather than at home, he also asked his own son to call him with formalities.

I think other blog has posted in great details how much it is implied that the life naruto choose for himself, marrying into a respectable family, settling down with kids, taking up the hokage mantle, is no longer his own wants but just to conform into society/familial expectations that became a burden for him. He slept through his own inauguration, even his own son is wondering why is he not more prepared/estatic to the day that supposedly is his biggest dream coming true.

I think all this reasoning became my main gripe with minakushi and all the sns parallels with them. Sure, naruto and sasuke being hokage and shadow kage, working alongside each other is a valid and canon narrative. Sasuke telling Boruto about naruto's development since he was a kid through his eyes also parallels what Kushina says to naruto. It's a cool thing but sns is also laced with a lot of anguish in these things that the other (heterosexual) ships just dont get.

We're not even gonna go to very charged and ambigous panels such as their last interaction in ch 699 where they promised to "have their real fight" and the implications of that headband (that sasuke eventually gave to boruto in the end, using the same exact words he used "hold on to it" vs "I'll hold on to it until we have our real fight"), that weird interaction in gaiden where it seems like sasuke is taunting naruto for his choices, calling him 'hokage' when in other times he called him by name, highlighting their philosophical differences too (naruto stays in the village, sasuke works outside of it) as "cooperation", highlighting how "the mission" that he's doing is 'top secret that nobody can know', "ignorance is bliss"????. It's probably the most subtext we're ever gonna get into those two's arrangement and it haunts me still.

Hi. I talked a bit about this [link]

I understand the bitterness towards het couples. Kushina's comment is realistic since most people expect their children to find a member of the opposite sex, get married and have children. Heteronormativity is a thing. I do feel the recent Boruto chapters have been oddly playing with the subtext that makes me wonder where it's all going. But we shall see.

The "cooperation" part is a very suspect moment, like a private conversation we aren't given full context of. As you said, the charged tone, the unsaid things, Sasuke's sad face and Naruto's taken aback/nervous face, Sakura's nervous face etc. Sasuke's conversation with Boruto as well, especially with the last frame of him saying maybe I'm the one who has to show his resolve next. Like why so vague? I do hope Kishi some day will explain all this!

[sasukeless]

Hii, I hope you you're doing well I wanted to know if you have any thoughts/opinions on the team 7 vs team taka debate that I see some people get very passionate about😅

oh this is like opening pandora’s box. i have alot of thoughts on it but i will try to keep it simply.

my honest opinion is that both sides are veryy biased.

team 7 stans fear to admit that sasuke cared for team taka even if there’s proof he did because most of team 7 stans are shippers and shippers tend to not like admitting that sasuke does care for other people outside of the character they ship him with. which is not new i mean i see people claiming sasuke loves more naruto/sakura than he ever loved itachi and it’s just not true. again, it’s just a shipping thing i see because i assume they like the “character hates everyone but you trope ❤️” when it definitely doesn’t fit sasuke. they act like sasuke had no choice to be a team with taka when he himself chose them because he wanted them with him. (ik this gets ss especially heated after sasuke rejected sakura when she wanted to come with him. just to later sasuke pick a team that included a girl in it lol) it’s just annoying and honestly pathetic so o ignore them all the same.

on the other hand, team taka stans claim than sasuke never cared for team 7 post part 1 and act like naruto’s feelings are completely one sided. and while it’s true sasuke cared for sakura and kakashi in part 1 and later managed to cut his bonds with them, this is not the case with naruto because sasuke HIMSELF states it. taka also gets too fanonized because ppl see taka supporting blindly sasuke and think that it’s how team 7/naruto should act when that completely ignores that well, sasuke’s path is not free of flaws and his self-harming actions aren’t really smth to ignore. again, taka’s devotion for sasuke is a very blind one, while naruto’s devotion can be a kind of selfish at times, it at least keeps him awake when sasuke is doing smth that’s self destructive. also as perfect as ppl say taka are, they ignore that sasuke doesn’t return the same devotion to his teammates. he’s not completely honest with his goals (as we see him only telling obito in private that he wanted to slaughter everyone in konoha and prior he had been just feigning in front of taka when he said he just wanted the take down the elders only.), he also left and cut them off during the 5 kage arc and he didn’t have any intention of going to seek them again, only after they seek him first he accepted them back to help them. and like Yes, sasuke cares for them as a team as he did for team 7, since we can see him fighting for them in their fight against bee with the same determination he wanted to fight for team 7 in their fight against gaara. but there’s still a disconnect between them. and this is ignored by stans that also blatantly deny that naruto is special to sasuke in a way nobody but itachi is even when sasuke himself is the one saying this and individualizing naruto from team 7 in a way he doesn’t do with any other in team 7 AND in team taka.

so to put it simply, sasuke has show care for both teams but neither team is perfect and there’s things to criticize in each of them and personally it’s what makes them fun! i get having preference everyone has it but this discourse just has both sides acting biased and denying sasuke’s actual characterization to fit either of their agendas

[twomiddlefingersforthehaters]

As we know, in Naruto, awakening new powers and body moves on its own when your loved one was in trouble or in danger.

This was when he uses Kage bunshin no Jutsu for the first time to protect Iruka.

1. Zabuza attacking Sasuke

No. Of shadow clones increasing when Sasuke was in trouble

Ah... Shadow clones.... And quite a lot of them...

2. Sasuke's death

This is the first time we see Naruto awaken this Nine tails power despite all the hatred he accumulated during his childhood when the villagers treated him badly. The reason for his awakening was none other than Sasuke.

3. Gaara vs Sasuke

When Sasuke admitted that he too was his precious comrade and that he could save Sakura, he could make Tajū kage bunshin no jutsu. Meanwhile, when it comes to Sakura's rescue...he was only able to make 4 Kage Bunshins compared to thousands.

TO PROTECT SOMEONE IMPORTANT.... NARUTO BECOMES EVEN STRONGER!!

4. Sasuke retrieval arc

I already talked about this particular arc in my previous post [link]

"NARUTO LETS OUT A WAR CRY AS HE PREPARES TO RETRIEVE SASUKE!!"

"WITH THE MONSTROUS MULTIPLE SHADOW CLONE INITIATION, NARUTO'S RAGE SURROUNDS KIMIMARO!"

"YOU WON'T TAKE SASUKE!" NARUTO'S RAGE SURROUNDS KIMIMARO!"

5. The reason for Naruto to enter the fourth tails form.

"USING SASUKE'S NAME TO TAUNT NARUTO... OROCHIMARU INCITES A TEMPEST OF RAGE!!!"

Hearing Orochimaru say 'My Sasuke-kun' sends him into a rage that activates his nine tails power

"EXTREME POWER BORN OF A RAGE VERGING ON MADNESS!!"

"OROCHIMARU CONTINUES WITH YET ANOTHER TAUNT... UPON HEARING IT, NARUTO UNDERGOES AN EVEN GREATER TRANSFORMATION!?"

"THE DREADED FOURTH TAIL MAKES ITS APPEARANCE WHAT IS THIS OMINOUS TRANSFIGURATION NARUTO HAS UNDERGONE!!?"