#sasuke vs kage

[uchiha-itachi-amaterasu]

By jumper433

[orcelito]

Ok I'm thinking about kabuto backstory again and thinking about how unfair and fucked up it all is like

> be Danzo

> threaten local orphanage mother into returning to being a spy (by threatening the kids there)

> force them to send One Kid too because he "lost a man" while obtaining the intel he's threatening her to spy over (the kid is Kabuto, who volunteered bc he overheard them threatening the mother over this) (Danzo knows he overheard)

> train kabuto to be a spy while orphanage mother is off on her long spy job as well

> bait spy mom with the promise of keeping kabuto safe to keep her agreeing to work with you

> decide they both are too good at their jobs (????) Of being spies (that work for you?????)(they've been loyal this whole time????) So they're too dangerous and both need to die

> keep mom and kid away from each other as kid grows up

> literally DOCTOR FAKE PHOTOS of the kid growing up to make it seem like he looks totally different now???? So she won't recognize him?????

> give her the assassination assignment of killing the Real Kabuto (who she won't recognize) so they'll kill each other

> whoops, Kabuto survived and killed her instead, oh well at least Orochimaru's watching him now

I'm just like. How fucked up is it to threaten these people into working as spies for you "for the good of Konoha", and then decide that these people (who have given NO INDICATION of intending to betray Konoha) are too good at being spies and thus Too Dangerous and should be killed for it. But no he can't just kill them in a normal way. He had to manufacture an entire scenario so that they'd kill EACH OTHER while making the mom not recognize him (with the express purpose of breaking the kid's spirit) like BROOOOOO I know you ordered the whole Uchiha clan to be massacred (conducting genocide for the sake of 'peace') actually now that I think about it he ordered this of itachi. Ordered him to kill his own family. Of course Danzo would get off on making a mother and son kill each other "for the good of Konoha" he's almost fucking cartoon villain level of horrible past the point of logic EXCEPT there really are people this awful that have existed. Plenty of them. And they have also justified it as being "for the good of [nation]" like that's the Thing, he's a war hungry nationalist that has decided He Knows Best so he's going to fuck up SO many people's lives, up to and including his own damn citizens!!!! And this bitch thinks he deserves to be kage?!?!?! Fucking Hiruzen letting him run wild like this. He knew Danzo was stealing children and indoctrinating them into a murder cult (where, keep in mind, he purposefully raises kids in pairs so they view each other as family AND THEN ORDERS THEM TO KILL EACH OTHER)(AGAIN!!!! with the family killing, what is his PROBLEM) but Hiruzen just let it fucking happen. Spineless fucking piece of shit. He fucked Naruto up he fucked Orochimaru up he fucked up Royally with Danzo like come ONNNNNNNNNN

Rattling the bars of my cage rn at how awful Danzo is and how he was able to just. DO THIS???? I know the bitch is dead but he's not dead enough. Give me the glock.

[undyinglantern]

watching this to figure out exactly how far I got without having to read dozens and dozens of episode summaries and kinda surprised I barely got more than half way

[samasmith23]

Also, while Sasuke was justified in being seeking justice against Danzo (because screw that bastard! NOBODY likes Danzo…), him wanting to take his anger out on the ENTIRE Leaf Village despite Danzo & those 2 council elders knowing the truth about the Uchiha Clan Massacre is going too far! Sasuke’s downward spiral during the Five Kage Summit arc is meant to be a cautionary tale about the dangers of revenge, and how it can completely warp an individual into doing truly terrible things that negatively impact themselves & everyone else! The moment Sasuke announced his desire to kill not just Danzo and the 2 elders, but every single person in the Leaf Village, his actions no longer became about justice, but revenge. And as Rachel Dawes from Batman Begins once eloquently stated:

Sasuke was definitely in the darkness 3 years before he considered sakura a preciseous comrade and begged Naruto to save her during sand invasion he considered team 7 family

The whole point of sasuke trying to kill sakura was to show how far gone he was but if you actually read Naruto you know a sasuke was in his right mind wound never Hurt sakura

Sasuke was no doubt in the darkness and it's always these same people who also deny curse of hatred and Keep trying to claim tobirama made it up

I really don't know why people are still trying to claim that the Sasuke in the Land of Iron was all there mentally. This is the same Sasuke who was laughing manically, who accused the entire village of apparently laughing and making fun of Itachi, and who threatened to murder each and every one of them.

It's the same stupid pattern I keep seeing. They say "the fandom treats it as if he went crazy with bloodlust and lost himself, when in reality he was seeking justice against a genocidal state". And once again they're acting as if he can't seek justice while having lost himself. The two are not mutually exclusive, why can't they understand that?

Do they really think that the manner in which he sought justice, was representative of a clear head, completely free from hatred? His revenge was not contained to solely those who did he and his clan wrong, it grew to include every single villager who had absolutely nothing to do with the Uchiha massacre.

[sasukeless]

sasuke vs the kages at the 5ks

[luna-blood]

I was debating on YouTube about Sasuke but YouTube deletes comments, especially those that have a link. It was also difficult for me to search for the publications. So I gave myself the task of collecting posts from all Sasuke fans and neutral critics of the work 'Naruto' that talk about Sasuke and his relationship with the other Naruto characters. I have also included my contributions, such as questions to other users and post responses. I hope this post helps you when you need support when you are debating in favor of Sasuke. Without anything else to say, I leave you the links:

Positive qualities of Sasuke.

Sasuke's chakra is extremely powerful, voluminous, and denser than Senjutsu chakra!

It is false that Bee could have killed Sasuke any time he wanted.

¡Sasuke has been shown to nullify mortal wounds with Raiton!

Sasuke is literally the first person to survive the Raikage's Liger Bomb.

All Sasuke received from Raikage was a small lip bleed, while Raikage lost an arm and another Kage, Gaara, had to intervene to save his leg and his life.

Orochimaru's "physical condition" has nothing to do with his ritual and Sasuke's victory.

Analysis Sasuke vs Deidara.

Sasuke killed Danzo; he did not commit suicide.

Are Itachi and Kakashi really prodigies at the level their fans believe them to be? No.

The only reason Naruto managed to hurt Kaguya was because Sasuke forced her to change dimensions more than once and she herself had changed dimensions about four times in total.

Because Sasuke haters say that Haku is simply more tragic and a better person than Sasuke; and Batman too!

What is it about Sasuke that provokes people so much, compared to all the other fictional characters (in and out of Naruto) who have done bad things? Gaara was killing people for fun in part 1, but no one ever complains about him not being punished. Zuko from ATLA burned down a village of civilians, sent a hitman after Team Avatar, and was just lucky that no civilian was injured/killed, but everyone adores him. But Sasuke is unredeemable for threatening to destroy the village?

A back and forth on why Sasuke is a much better realized character, with thematic and narrative depth, compared to Kurapika and Zuko.

Sasuke is the imperfect victim unlike the perfect victims of ATLA and Full Metal Alchemist.

Sasuke's character is too good for the Naruto universe.

Are people upset that Sasuke was going to let the Shinobi Alliance perish?

Sasuke as a feminist icon.

Sakura is a female incel.

Sakura is a narcissistic.

Sakura inserted herself because she wanted validations from people who were out of her league, that's why. She is perfect for self-insert.

The mere idea of turning over an entire manga in your head in which Sasuke hides a raging boner (at age 12) for Sakura is... repulsive. Don't you have anything better to do?

Sasuke never kissed Sakura.

The blow on the forehead is not the maximum expression of love.

Naruto Gaiden is a fucking masterpiece! It proves that Sasuke doesn't love Sakura.

Sasuke retsuden is not canon.

Sasuke retsuden is not canon, Jun Esaka herself said it and if you are a fan of Sasuke it is normal that you hate Sakura because Sasuke is unhappy with her.

Sasuke still considers Sakura inferior.

Sasuke didn't push Sakura away because of the curse of hate.

Sasuke rejected Sakura, Ino and Karin, he didn't push them away because he was afraid.

Sasuke is not in love with Karin and did not have sex in part 2 with Karin.

Why Karin's fans say she had sex with Sasuke in part 2.

What does Kakashi know about the genocide and the physical and mental torture that would lead the child victim to a fatal coma, at the hands of a family member?

Naruto is a narcissistic.

Why Naruto is the worst character.

How can anyone read the two chapter panels showing two very different worlds the characters occupy and be surprised by the way it ended? They were not going to reconcile since the world where Sasuke exists is the antithesis of the world where his former team resides.

Lee was never "good” at Taijutsu, let alone being a genius at it. The series' main theme, revolves around bonds. When the manga began, Naruto let loose Kurama (unintentionally) against Haku, breaking all Ice Mirrors that ... no Jutsu could break; and that, happened way back in the Waves Arc. How does that associate "hard-work" with Naruto's character, upon whom many poor souls project their misfortunes to feel vindicated, when two geniuses (Sasuke and Kakashi) in the near-vicinity failed? Naruto powered through this via nothing but brute force; and that isn't a precursor to hard-work. That's the exact opposite. With the beginning of the next Arc, the "if we work hard, we could beat all odds, too" trope lovers got their kicks from Sasuke's humiliation at Lee's hands (or gates?); but then they conveniently forget that Lee himself stated that what Sasuke accomplished was literally impossible for someone like him (he even emphasized on this argument). Gai even went so far as to state that even with the Sharingan's power, Sasuke should never have been able to do what he did (he literally invented his own Taijutsu maneuver from Lee's in a single day; if that's not prodigious, I don't know what is); and Gai, last I checked, is an authority on the subject of Taijutsu, not you—yes, you! Sasuke mastered Kimimaro's CS in under two hours whilst Lee survived simply because Kimimaro was dying and he literally died whilst delivering a death-blow to Gaara and Lee; so thematically, narratively, and metaphorically, Sasuke matched an adversary against whom both Gaara and Lee lost? That and Lee was outshined by Sasuke twice in a row, going so far as to undermine Lee in his own life endeavors that involved years of sweat and tears?

Shikamaru's revenge is meaningless unlike Sasuke's.

People who support Nagato but vilify Sasuke sound a lot more idiotic than they think.

In defense of Fugaku.

How does Sasuke's revolution develop?

Why didn't the narrative validate Sasuke's radical change from Konoha's Will of Fire to the Revolution?

Itachi massacred the clan out of conscience.

The difference between Kushina and Itachi is not that big.

The policies of Tobirama Senju and the Uchiha genocide.

At what point will people stop demanding Sasuke?

Tsunade was at the forefront of the Second Shinobi World War that massacred the people of Nagato, plundered their land's resources, and continued to use the land as a battlefield resulting in mass deaths, poverty, and suffering. A war that Konoha started.

Why do so many people still blame Sasuke for Sasuke's past?

Uchihas do not have mental illnesses.

Sasuke vs Readers without empathy.

Kishimoto canon vs Studio Pierrot fanservice.

The brilliant change of perspective and theme between Hebi and Taka Sasuke; and that there is no writing defect in the moment in which Sasuke stabs Karin to reach Danzō.

Tobirama never accepted the Uchiha as true allies like Hashirama did, never trusting them, something he admitted so openly that his brother had to warn him "not to continue pursuing the Uchiha." And the Uchiha weren't planning to kill innocent people, they were planning to take over the government itself.

Kishimoto is anti sasusaku and anti naruhina.

Kishimoto never wanted to write Boruto.

The real Sasuke fans.

Sasuke winking at Sakura was never happened in the manga, it was a translation error.

Sasuke didn't stalk Sakura.

[martialartslover7]

Weird Wednesday Headcanon: Outside of Team 7, Neji, Shikamaru and Kiba sympathize the most with Sasuke's fall from grace after the Five Kage Summit.

Alright, this is another headcanon of mine that can be written off as "mental", but hear me out, this has so much potential.

I'd like to think that, outside of Team 7, Sasuke wasn't just closely acquainted with Naruto, Sakura or Kakashi, but also:

Neji (whom we even got a small teaser hint of a rivalry between him and Sasuke for, which sadly, never came to be, because Byakugan VS Sharingan is a question in the community, that truly needs answering)

Shikamaru (shogi rivals, nuff' said, the only guy, that managed to corner Shikamaru at his own game, I mean, Sasuke is meant to be a genius too, so, why not?)

Kiba (just being around him, Sasuke's IQ just automatically decreases, but in a fun way, like Renji and Uryu from Bleach, considering, Kiba had lived most of his life, surrounded by moody, dominating women, and he might be Sasuke's "stay-in wingman", when it comes to Sakura, or they would just talk about how tiring women can be, but they do manage to get best results out of you with their motivation, and he would be way easier to handle for Sasuke, because unlike Naruto, Kiba ain't braindead)

These are the three main players, but if you want, you can also put Choji and Rock Lee into the mix, considering that, later down the road, Sasuke's and Choji's daughter would end up becoming besties, and if Might Guy wouldn't survive the war, he and Lee can become the new Kakashi and Might Guy, the next generation, if you will. And this is ironic, because...

...just by coincidence, who else was sent to get Sasuke back, to prevent him from defecting to Orochimaru? Ah yes.

But now, I get to the meat and bones of this thread. And that being, the reason why I believe personally, it was a wasted opportunity to not give Sasuke more personal allies that sympathize with his actions, after he joined the Akatsuki.

Like, NO ONE can tell me, that the Uchiha weren't the only ones, who were under close observation within Konoha borders, by the elders. Sure, they were the biggest target, but it leaves you asking, especially in regards to those clans, who are either the strategist faction, or possess sensory type abilities: What about them? Wouldn't they suspect that something was going horribly wrong over there, at the Uchiha compound? Did absolutely NO ONE hear the screams, or blood splatters? I am just not sold on the idea that EVERYONE in Konoha blindly agreed to Tobirama's discriminatory policies, some had to know better than most. The select few, who weren't exactly fans of just distancing themselves from another clan, all because some frankly racist piece of garbage for a Hokage said so, along with the useless shitstains, that are the Konoha elders, especially Danzo.

And now, three people come to mind, where I truly felt like, they could have been there that night, when the Uchiha clan was being slaughtered, and they were either too late to stop it, or Itachi had knocked them out with his Genjutsu (which purposely contradicts Madara's propaganda about "no one in the village cared about the Uchiha, and only saw them as tools"). And ironically, they are probably the very select few of the adult shinobi, who weren't complete sub-human trash.

Hizashi Hyuga.

Shikaku Nara.

Tsume Inuzuka.

Just picture these three adults being the only ones, who caught on to what was happening, through not just the screams of terror, the smell of blood, or seeing through the walls with the Byakugan from Hizashi. But sadly, by the time they arrive, most of the Uchiha were already slaughtered. And right before they could even act to evacuate those, who may have survived, Itachi arrives, and knocks them clean out with his Tsukuyomi, not killing them, as their passing would just cause an uproar throughout the village, the following day.

And once Danzo learns, that three non-Uchiha, Leaf shinobi, were actually present that night, and they may or may not have caught a glimpse of who else was there that night, Hizashi, Shikaku and Tsume were forced to stay silent on the matter, as Danzo threatened them, through the lense of the ROOT Anbu:

"Dare to let a single word about last night's events slip, then your clans will be receiving severe repurcussions."

I mean, sure, it's kind of silly to try and silence three unrelated Leaf ninja into keeping silent, but considering how paranoid the elderly can be, especially Danzo, I wouldn't put it past him to actually go there.

And how convenient, because as the story progressed, two of these adults would wind up deceased. Shikaku died in the 4th Great Ninja war. One piece of the puzzle, gone.

Hizashi would actually be the first one to die, before all two of them, because the Hyuga clan was trying to mend their security blunder that one fateful night, when someone from Kumogakure tried to kidnap Hinata. But keeping in mind everything I just said, it just adds another layer to how corrupt this shinobi system truly is. Who is to say, Danzo basically bribed the Hyuga elders to sacrifice Hizashi, in place of Hiashi, because he couldn't possibly risk that one defiant Hyuga showing lip to the Hokage? Something to think about. Even if Hiruzen remains a useless piece of shit. You can never be TOO careful, right?

Tsume would probably be the only adult to keep on living, to tell the tale, and through her, does Kiba learn, how deep the rabbit hole with Danzo actually goes, and how Sasuke's hatred for the village MIGHT be """mildly""" justified. Especially if Neji and Shikamaru were to approach him about their own clan blunders, involving Danzo, right after his passing at the hands of Sasuke.

But especially Neji, man... If everything I said gets applied in practice, it would mean, outside of Naruto, he might also be considered worthy of facing Sasuke in battle, after the Five Kage Summit. Because, not only does he more than understand how it truly feels to lose family and loved ones, but also, how this entire shinobi system is essentially screwing over those, who were unfortunate enough to be born into families, that get treated like dirt by the government, that is supposed to protect them. Just imagine their exchange, while Kiba faces off against Jugo, and Shikamaru holds Suigetsu at bay.

"A slave to your own family... I really don't need another moral lecture from a man, who willingly decided to stick to his own kin, despite them viewing you as nothing short of cannonfodder. And yet, despite it all, you still side with them... Run, Neji. Run and hide with your insignificant existence weighing you down, before I tear you to pieces." --Sasuke

"No, Sasuke. You're wrong. If it's any consolation, I am more than able to sympathize with your current state of mind. As of recently, I had to learn the hard way, that you and I, at the end of the day, are not so different. Believe me, you're not the only one, who was royally screwed over by the same village that you once swore to protect. The only reason, why I am not defecting, is because I still have family left to protect... Which is something I cannot say on your behalf, as much as it saddens me to say this. You have every right to hate us. Especially considering, we believed the rumors first, leaving no room for you to speak up and defend yourself. I didn't come to lecture you. And I won't run... because I am going to make you listen." --Neji

Pretty epic, isn't it? I am sorry, Neji is just the GOAT to me, and anything to make him and Sasuke spiritual broskies, I am here for that. Just visualize how adrenaline-driven their encounter would end up being, if you add the Bankakyo Byakugan into the mix. This is how Neji's Bankakyo would look like (source by Aleister Brown):

And for context on what this eye gives Neji for busted abilities, which make him a more or less equal match to Sasuke, after he got Itachi's eyes implanted:

Left eye: Foresight (he can look 10 seconds into the future, to predict Sasuke's moves, before he could even pull them off)

Right eye: Timeskip (improves his Taijutsu, by basically freezing time all around himself, and teleporting, at anything his eyes can see for time)

And, to make it even, with the Bankakyo, you can even summon a chakra avatar, similar to the Susano'o called, Sarutakahiko, take a look:

And because it's me, this is the music that plays in my mind, every time I am trying to visualize their fight, with these conditions being met:

...and to end this thread on a more comical note, when I said, Sasuke's IQ lowers around Kiba, and I compared the two to Renji and Uryu, here is why. It's even more ironic when you consider, Uryu and Sasuke have the same seiyuu! Noriaki Sugiyama! Check it:

OK, OK, enough with that. Have a nice day.

Peace.

[evilkitten3]

(i don't mind, you can @ me whenever!)

i'm only gonna talk about hashirama for right now bc i tend to project a bit too much when it comes to madara being low emp lmao ("he's just like me for real" and whatnot)

so one thing about hashirama that's pretty consistently shown throughout the series (well. throughout the 4th war, anyway. not gonna pretend i remember too much about when he first got revived during the chuunin exams lol) is that he. doesn't really get people all that well. he cares a lot, that much is obvious, but during his flashback he repeatedly fails to really understand where madara is emotionally at all.

his response to madara telling him that izuna died from the wound tobirama inflicted on him but left him with the power to protect the clan is basically "i sent you a letter about a truce agreement; if you want to protect your clan then let's stop fighting", but even though the hashirama telling the story seems aware of what kind of position madara was in, the hashirama at the time doesn't. the uchiha clan is losing; it's becoming more and more apparent that they aren't going to be able to win. to hashirama, that means it's a good time for a ceasefire, but to. pretty much everyone else, any agreement they come to will just be the uchiha surrendering.

madara intends for that fight to be the deciding factor. either the eternal mangekyou will be enough to beat hashirama and the uchiha will triumph, or it won't and they'll be permanently defeated. but the situation the clan is in at that moment isn't sustainable, and surrendering to the clan they've been enemies with since forever is a death sentence. the only option in his eyes is to defeat the senju. or, if that fails, die trying. hashirama isn't in that position. the senju clan is doing well, they're winning, they have the advantage in nearly any negotiations that might happen. he can't understand where madara is coming from.

one thing i find interesting about their final pre-konoha fight is - and i have no clue if the anime kept this the same - that madara is the only uchiha shown to be present. we're shown plenty of senju, but if there are any uchiha aside from madara there, we don't see them. to me, those shows three things: first, that the defections to the senju deeply impacted madara's ability to trust his clan (which was probably already tough bc he doesn't like people standing behind him - he doesn't want to be a leader; it's just his duty). second, that he was aware that any final showdown between him and hashirama wouldn't really be affected by the presence of anyone else- there weren't any senju aside from hashirama who were a threat to him, so he didn't need to bring anyone else. he could leave them out entirely. and third, he knew he wouldn't be able to kill hashirama. whether he didn't think he'd be physically capable, or if he doubted his own resolve, or even if he thought he could but would either die in the attempt or be so badly hurt that any bystander could take him out, he didn't intend to walk away from that fight.

that's something he makes pretty clear with his ultimatum to hashirama: kill your brother, or kill yourself. to madara, the choice is obvious- ignore the defeated enemy's words and kill him. madara could never dream of killing izuna himself (at least, the madara at that time couldn't; hard to say about post-rinne rebirth'd madara), and he can't rely on anyone else to protect his clan so killing himself would also be out. he wants hashirama to kill him, and he's giving him a way to do it that even the uchiha clan would be able to understand ("he asked you to kill your own brother??? dude wtf").

but hashirama either doesn't understand that or simply refuses to. to him, in that moment, madara and the dream of the village are one and the same. and he does trust his little brother (even if he really, really shouldn't, at least not when it comes to the uchiha...), so he has no problem with leaving the dream to tobirama and madara, and trusting them to heed his final words and end the fighting. he's sad that he won't be there to see it, but so long as it happens, he can live with that. well, uh. not live with that, but you know what i mean.

he shows the same faith in tobirama when he makes him his successor (presumably...? idk if it was ever clearly established that hashirama picked him out; i can't remember) in spite of madara's (correct) belief that entrusting the village to tobirama will lead to the uchiha clan's downfall. he himself was able to move past their clans' history, and madara was too to an extent, so surely tobirama can too. but tobirama's hate for the uchiha and fear of madara specifically is something he can't get past. to be clear, i'm not really judging tobirama too much on that - the war was clearly a deeply traumatic, fucked up thing, and i think it'd be pretty hard for anybody to just set it all aside and move on. there's probably something to be said about tobirama's desire to not disappoint his brother clashing with his inability to accept the uchiha and ultimately resulting in both his theories concerning the clan itself and whatever connection he had with kagami, but. i frankly do not care very much about tobirama one way or the other. i have very little interest in him outside of his relationships with characters i'm more interested in (hashirama, madara, hiruzen, danzou, etc.)

anyway, hashirama is extremely aware of his own absurd power, and that he's. pretty much a walking god among men, but i think he either doesn't notice or chooses to ignore that that deeply impacts his ability to understand almost anyone else. madara might've been the first person - maybe the only person - he was ever able to really feel like he had an understanding with, and if that's the case then i can absolutely understand why it was so hard for him to accept as an adult that they no longer shared the understanding they had as children. madara is also pretty much the only person able to see past just how dangerous hashirama is - tobirama is a decent second in that area; he's got no problem yelling at hashirama and scolding him and whatnot, but as soon as hashirama goes into Seriously Angry Mode, he backs down right away (again, understandable. i also would not want super tree god man to be genuinely angry with me). madara doesn't have that restraint - hashirama's serious mode doesn't scare him at all (or if it does. well. scared and horny etc etc)

one final thing before i wrap this up, is that hashirama's understanding of madara is also affected by just how much time has passed between them. regardless of how long hashirama lived after killing madara (my guess is not all that long), madara lived for decades after hashirama's death. he doesn't know him anymore. so it's hard for me to say whether it's the distance between who they were and who they are or just hashirama being no emp, but i think his attempt at getting sasuke to try to talk to madara bc of his resemblance to izuna could also be relevant. bit harder to say tho since i don't own that volume (yet).

@evilkitten3 (if you don't like being @, just tell me!)

Your take about Madara and Hashirama having low/no empathy got me thinking (in a good way, ofc, as I have low emp as well and, knowing you're like this yourself, your opinion feels more genuine to me)

If you want to, could you elaborate more on that?

[animeomegas]

Ah, sorry! I meant after they get married and maybe are starting a family, which omegas would become stay at home parents vs working parents

-sauce anon

Okay, I got it! Here are my thoughts~ I've just done parents, because I don't think many of them would retire after a marriage. I think the only ones who might retire after marriage might be Kankuro and maybe Sai. Itachi would too, if he was allowed, but eh, the clan probably don't agree to it until he's pregnant.

Working parentings (workload that takes them away from family time more often):

Naruto - Becoming hokage was his dream, and he feels a great responsibility for his village that he could never let go off. It's a massive part of his life, and he couldn't give it up, no matter what.

Sasuke - He does not have the mental fortitude to be a stay-at-home parent. He quite simply couldn't cope feeling cooped up and trapped by his child. Sasuke is a better parent when he has some time alone, and some time to travel a bit.

Shikamaru - I've put him here and in the category below, because I think it does fluctuate. He has a massive workload, and it's something he feels he doesn't have a choice in taking. He's the sort of person who never feels like he's done enough, and yet is always working too much. It's not his identity though. He works because he feels he has to.

Gaara - Again, another kage here, with the massive workload that comes with that. To his credit, I think Gaara manages to find the best balance out of the men in this category, but he still works a lot. I think, like Naruto, he feels the responsibility and care to his village, and he could never abandon them.

Working parents (workload that keeps them around more often):

Shino - He's a teacher at the academy, so while he is a working parent, he is around a lot, as he goes to school with the pups, and then also walks home with them. That being said, he would probably take leave when his pups were babies/toddlers and stay at home full time, unless his alpha was staying at home with them. Aburame culture dictates that one parent should stay at home if there are pups, and the clan helps support that financially.

Shikamaru (again) - However, continuing on Shikamaru, if his alpha ever made a breakthrough on getting him to make his own decisions, or it got to the point where Shikamaru had to step back from being the Hokage's aid to run the clan, he's around a bit more. I think this balance would be the one that made him happiest, but he needs a push to get there.

Iruka - He's similar to Shino, although depending on his age, he might be the head of the academy. He stops taking extra shifts or missions once he has children and focuses on teaching. He could never leave his students. I think he would get bored just staying at home, so working suits him better.

Flexible parents (those that might not work, but might as well, depends on the circumstances):

Chouji - I think he would want to be around when his pups were very young for sure, but after that, I think it depends. He would eventually be taking over the clan, but that might be when his children are older anyway. He might run missions on occasion, if he's well suited. If his children needed him more for whatever reason, he wouldn't though. It's very situational.

Kisame - I think he wouldn't mind staying home with small children, but once they hit school age, he would get too bored without things to do. I'm not sure what work he would be doing in a world where he was stable enough to have children, but he'd find something, maybe collecting bounties.

Yamato - He wants his children to know that he is always there for them no matter what, so I think he'd feel guilty working. But once they were in school, he'd probably find a job that fit around school hours. Even if it was just helping around the village with the mokuton. I think he'd like to do that.

Stay-at-home parents:

Kiba - He's got far too many to dump on someone else XD No, Kiba is happiest with his family. Work schmerk. There is literally no way he could be bored. With how many he has, he often has a child small enough to require attention all day.

Neji - He is determined to go back to work after having a baby. Absolutely, 100% sure. But every time it gets to the point where he should be returning to taking missions, he makes up some arbitrary reason why he can't. "They've been anxious about nursery, I think I should stay at home until they settle", "They need to finish their medicine for the infection, I'll stay home to make sure they take it", "They said they don't enjoy school... maybe I should homeschool?" He ends up staying home until they leave the house, and by then his priorities have changed.

Itachi - All he wants to do is stay at home. He would have retired after marriage if his clan wouldn't have thrown a fit over it. Once he quits taking missions, he's never going back. He's a bit lost after his children leave home, and he mourns not having as many as he would have liked. Until he's provided with grandchildren or chickens to look after lol.

(I was really, really torn on Minato and how I wanted to characterise him, so I left him off. If it was canon Minato, it would be the top one for sure, but I don't know if that's how I want to go with him, idk.)

[theheirofthesharingan]

Hi, please feel free to ignore this if you don't care about power scaling

About the Itachi VS Sasuke fight when itachi died, was itachi really holding back against his little brother like Obito said? We know he was blind but was he really sick and dying?? Because I don't know if we should just believe what obito said I'm still unsure, I mean Itachi looked like he was giving it his all he even used Susano so, can you please clarify this for me if you know? I feel like you'll be the best judge since you love both brothers and know a lot about them. What actually was going on during that fight? Thanks in advance!

Don't worry, it's not a question about powerscaling. Itachi was sick and it was hinted before Sasuke vs Itachi happened as well. But before Obito says something, we see Zetsu commenting on Itachi not giving his best already. According to Zetsu, Itachi was stronger than what he put up with Sasuke. And there must have been something that had slowed him down before the battle began.

Then Obito tells us Itachi was sick and had been alive on the medicines.

Whether Itachi was or was not on medicines, Obito might not be aware of that. He must have observed that Itachi wasn't doing well and assumed Itachi was taking medicines to keep himself alive.

In the chapter 353, Itachi and Kisame go to hunt down the Four Tails Jinchuriki, and instead of Itachi, Kisame battles and captures Rōshi. Kisame then says he insisted on capturing the Jinchuriki instead of letting Itachi do the work on his own.

Further in the same chapter, while it's Kisame who fought with the Jinchuriki, which would naturally leave him more tired, notice that it's Itachi who takes a seat as if walking alone, without doing anything, was exhausting for him. Kisame is the one holding the dying man. Why does Itachi need to take a rest? Simple, he wasn't doing well. And Kisame knew it, which is why, without Itachi saying anything, he decided to take a break.

When it comes to the battle with Sasuke, Itachi was sick already. The things that go on in their battle are:

Itachi and Sasuke use Genjutsu on each other. It must be a simple Genjutsu because Sasuke used the similar trick on him.

Then Itachi uses Tsukuyomi on him. Sasuke breaks free from him.

Afterwards Sasuke attacks him with the shadow shuriken technique that Itachi fails to deflect. And that makes Zetsu wonder for the first time if there's something wrong with Itachi that he wasn't able to dodge a simple attack like shuriken.

By this time, Itachi is completely crippled. He can't even see Sasuke's face properly.

Then they use katon and Itachi gets weaker than before. Sasuke has a simple Sharingan, but Itachi, due to his MS, is still more vulnerable because his eyes are not helping him anymore.

Then Sasuke uses Orochimaru's curse mark (which is a minor power booster) and Itachi uses Amaterasu. Now, that leaves Itachi even weaker. Itachi has used 3 of his major powers: Tsukuyomi, Katon, and Amaterasu. He's still standing though.

Itachi uses Amaterasu twice. Once it's when he's countering Sasuke's fireball and then when he targets Sasuke for real. It's all a lot for him.

Then Sasuke uses Kirin on him, which he obviously, deflects by his susano'o.

Once Sasuke is completely done with all his strength, Itachi finally wields his susano'o properly. And he uses Totsuka blade to seal Orochimaru as well. Afterwards, he begins to violently cough blood. It leaves Zetsu even more concerned over the matter.

He even believes something might already have been wrong with Itachi. Because Itachi is supposed to be stronger than this. Sasuke was no match for him, so what happened?

Now, Sasuke also shows similar kinds of symptoms (coughing blood) when he's overused his susanoo. But unlike Itachi, Sasuke fought longer and harder. Sasuke fought the Raikage, then the five kage too, and then Danzo. He was beyond the point of exhaustion and he'd overused his susano'o to the point he was nearly blind when he is ambushed by team 7. He feels the pain on the microscopic level.

Itachi used a veriety of powers but in a controlled manner. When I say Itachi was holding back, I don't mean he didn't use his powers fully, but that the intensity of those powers was minimized to cause the least harm, because harming Sasuke was not his intention in the battle. He was calculative about the whole thing and wanted to push him farther enough to have him use Orochimaru's chakra, so he could get rid of the curse mark.

The kind of battle Itachi and Sasuke had, if Itachi was healthy, would not have killed Itachi. It would have weakened him, have him bleed, but death would be a hard possibility. Itachi was much stronger than Sasuke and there was nothing that could kill him if he himself did not want to die.

While Obito's words leave a lot of room for obscurity, Itachi's state is hinted through his interactions with Kisame. He was ill, which is why Kisame suggested to capture the Jinchuriki on his own. While Kisame did all the work, he's carrying the nearly dying but a hefty man, along with Samehada, it's Itachi who needs to sit down and give himself a rest. The most Itachi did on that journey was walk beside Kisame and talk him out of capturing the Jinchuriki. That's all. And then, Zetsu commenting how Itachi could have done better than he did in the battle. So, something was wrong with him.

During his first appearance, he uses Tsukuyomi twice (for 72 hours and 24 hours) and then Amaterasu too. But he was either healthy at that point or his illness was in its nascent stage, so it doesn't affect him that bad. He says he'll need some rest but there's no immediate threat to his life.

So, yes, I do believe Itachi was suffering from an illness and Obito's words about him taking medicines could have been the truth or he might have been shooting an arrow in the dark. But Itachi being sick is confirmed.

[uchiha-itachi-amaterasu]

Sasuke Uchiha By Leork-Dream on deviantart

He gave up everything for you…

(Uchiha Obito to Uchiha Sasuke about Uchiha Itachi - Naruto by Masashi Kishimoto)

[maoam]

You've posted about the internalized homophobia from naruto's character writing. Other sns blog also posted about him being written as a closeted gay and the one who is in-denial about the nature of his feelings/relationship to sasuke, what with him not being able to define his feelings when sasuke kept asking him why did you go so far for me? So naruto always just says it's because of friendship as a cop-out. Also how sasuke looks unsatisfied and lowkey annoyed the last time naruto says it at the end in vote2, which ofc led him to ask naruto to clarify more and all. I agree with all the analysis that says sasuke has always been the one who is more self aware about the romantic implications of their bond from the start.

But what I'm trying to ask here is specifically about something from naruto's side. We've established that there is that one panel where he was thinking about sasuke and then when sai and sakura approaches he says he was thinking of sakura instead. Other sns blog also has posted on how naruto's entire "childhood crush" on sakura is just a projection of his feelings on sasuke, citing panels on how he didn't react when Lee made a move on sakura but everytime it's sasuke that is involved, he always went above and beyond to show how 'jealous' he is. I also agree with this and you also has posted about when minato assumed sakura was his girlfriend, he hastily didn't correct him to please his family's expectation. All of this is very much familiar to a closeted/in-denial gay person who is experiencing comphet and wants to appease to heteronormativity to conform.

Which brought me to my concern here. It always rubbed me the wrong way how one of the life advice Kushina gave him is to find a 'nice girl'. Especially how we know that after the war, he was also being guilttripped to accept hinata's confession. In a comic written by kishi after the last, the villagers are shown to be in awe of the 'picture perfect' couple of the soon-to-be-hokage and the heiress, implying that the entire reason nh happens is for this. To paint a respectable image for the war hero amidst the village's politics. All of this leading to gaiden/boruto where it is shown that while he does loves his family (in the same way he 'loves' the village, 'loves' being a hokage) there is some intentional distance that he kept from them. Other than constantly choosing to be on the office rather than at home, he also asked his own son to call him with formalities.

I think other blog has posted in great details how much it is implied that the life naruto choose for himself, marrying into a respectable family, settling down with kids, taking up the hokage mantle, is no longer his own wants but just to conform into society/familial expectations that became a burden for him. He slept through his own inauguration, even his own son is wondering why is he not more prepared/estatic to the day that supposedly is his biggest dream coming true.

I think all this reasoning became my main gripe with minakushi and all the sns parallels with them. Sure, naruto and sasuke being hokage and shadow kage, working alongside each other is a valid and canon narrative. Sasuke telling Boruto about naruto's development since he was a kid through his eyes also parallels what Kushina says to naruto. It's a cool thing but sns is also laced with a lot of anguish in these things that the other (heterosexual) ships just dont get.

We're not even gonna go to very charged and ambigous panels such as their last interaction in ch 699 where they promised to "have their real fight" and the implications of that headband (that sasuke eventually gave to boruto in the end, using the same exact words he used "hold on to it" vs "I'll hold on to it until we have our real fight"), that weird interaction in gaiden where it seems like sasuke is taunting naruto for his choices, calling him 'hokage' when in other times he called him by name, highlighting their philosophical differences too (naruto stays in the village, sasuke works outside of it) as "cooperation", highlighting how "the mission" that he's doing is 'top secret that nobody can know', "ignorance is bliss"????. It's probably the most subtext we're ever gonna get into those two's arrangement and it haunts me still.

Hi. I talked a bit about this [link]

I understand the bitterness towards het couples. Kushina's comment is realistic since most people expect their children to find a member of the opposite sex, get married and have children. Heteronormativity is a thing. I do feel the recent Boruto chapters have been oddly playing with the subtext that makes me wonder where it's all going. But we shall see.

The "cooperation" part is a very suspect moment, like a private conversation we aren't given full context of. As you said, the charged tone, the unsaid things, Sasuke's sad face and Naruto's taken aback/nervous face, Sakura's nervous face etc. Sasuke's conversation with Boruto as well, especially with the last frame of him saying maybe I'm the one who has to show his resolve next. Like why so vague? I do hope Kishi some day will explain all this!

[twomiddlefingersforthehaters]

As we know, in Naruto, awakening new powers and body moves on its own when your loved one was in trouble or in danger.

This was when he uses Kage bunshin no Jutsu for the first time to protect Iruka.

1. Zabuza attacking Sasuke

No. Of shadow clones increasing when Sasuke was in trouble

Ah... Shadow clones.... And quite a lot of them...

2. Sasuke's death

This is the first time we see Naruto awaken this Nine tails power despite all the hatred he accumulated during his childhood when the villagers treated him badly. The reason for his awakening was none other than Sasuke.

3. Gaara vs Sasuke

When Sasuke admitted that he too was his precious comrade and that he could save Sakura, he could make Tajū kage bunshin no jutsu. Meanwhile, when it comes to Sakura's rescue...he was only able to make 4 Kage Bunshins compared to thousands.

TO PROTECT SOMEONE IMPORTANT.... NARUTO BECOMES EVEN STRONGER!!

4. Sasuke retrieval arc

I already talked about this particular arc in my previous post [link]

"NARUTO LETS OUT A WAR CRY AS HE PREPARES TO RETRIEVE SASUKE!!"

"WITH THE MONSTROUS MULTIPLE SHADOW CLONE INITIATION, NARUTO'S RAGE SURROUNDS KIMIMARO!"

"YOU WON'T TAKE SASUKE!" NARUTO'S RAGE SURROUNDS KIMIMARO!"

5. The reason for Naruto to enter the fourth tails form.

"USING SASUKE'S NAME TO TAUNT NARUTO... OROCHIMARU INCITES A TEMPEST OF RAGE!!!"

Hearing Orochimaru say 'My Sasuke-kun' sends him into a rage that activates his nine tails power

"EXTREME POWER BORN OF A RAGE VERGING ON MADNESS!!"

"OROCHIMARU CONTINUES WITH YET ANOTHER TAUNT... UPON HEARING IT, NARUTO UNDERGOES AN EVEN GREATER TRANSFORMATION!?"

"THE DREADED FOURTH TAIL MAKES ITS APPEARANCE WHAT IS THIS OMINOUS TRANSFIGURATION NARUTO HAS UNDERGONE!!?"

[littlemonstert-blog]

Explaining What I Shouldn't have to...

My Aynalsis

People act like this explanation came out of nowhere when it was literally right in our faces.

Since there only so many panels I can add i might even do a mini part 2

Yes Naruto reasoning for his crush on Sakura was because his rivalry with Sasuke.

Let's started from the beginning where the author set of the dyanmic between team 7.

This is how

Had it from the very beginning

"Sakura a cute girl i like alot" like this is it. So basically from the start from what we know she's cute. That's it

then introduce sasuke already we seen they already know each other.

People tend to "call cap" like there isn't a whole ass chapter explaining the ONLY reason why he even liked her in the first place. Chapter 3

" All I want is for you to acknowledge me." Naruto really took this up as a competion to go out of his way to make Sakura dislike Sasuke.

He did in certain ways at time saw sakura a trophy in a competion.

How did people take this seriously. A immature boy who grew up without parental guidance.

Chunnin Exams

Chapter 37

For somebody who as a crush on Sakura he much more worried about Sasuke having the attention then rather Lee who's blowing kissing & asking her out on a date.

"Always Sasuke"

Forest of Death

Chapter 57

Don't even get me started on the forest of death that the real kicker for me.

in the dream sequence we finally get to see how Naruto wants to one up Sasuke & Sakura as the trophy

And when Naruto wakes up not asking about her injuries but... about her hair.

Chapter 74

Ya' know this could been a true moment between the two, but Naruto doesn't really care. Always turns to be comedic relief nothing to take seriously.

(This is how sum up there 'moments" could have been romantic but ends up as a joke because the author never takes them seriously.)

Naruto vs Gaara

Chapter 129

'What are we suppose to do?"... Now, thats not something you say when the girl you like is in danger of dying.

It took Sasuke throughout this chapter to remind him to do something.

In contrast with other characters there's no questioning what to do. Naruto does two things; will get super mad and go berserk if you mess with Sasuke or Hinata regardless of what point you read in the story

After the Tsunade arc

chapter 172

Now, people say he was sad because how Sakura ran up to. No form this panel Naruto sees that Sasuke was at peace that why we get that "sasuke..you..." he's been through then decides to leave.

If naruto was all that upset about it we would have gotten a flashback to the scene. But then here we are again with Naruto & Iruka eating more concered if Sasuke will become a chunin chapter 172

Then went back to see sasuke smiling as if nothing happened

Even after this to prove my statement he still wants to check on Sasuke & his wellbeing chapter 173

The promise

chapter 183

Seen people say Naruto was truly heartbroken during this. Which is not true Naruto always knew Sakura has feelings for Sasuke. If it was that they would have had a flashback to the hospital scene. In truth Naruto understands her too and is hurt because he cares about Sasuke leaving too.

After Pein Arc

In this scene it just shows us how they just incompatible they are. Never being able to console each other ( other then when it comes to sasuke) when it comes down to it. Naruto needs cheering up to & I understand Sakura needs it as well because Tsuande is her teacher.

Naruto never paied attention when Sakura has been feeling down unless it possibly about Sasuke.

If it isn't Team 7 mission related or Sasuke what do they honestly talk about? I've never see them bond about anything else. When it comes down to it there friendship has always been rocky.

The kage summit arc

The Promise

Chapter 457

What we've all been waiting for

Here we have it brought up again the conversation between Naruto & Sai

Couldn't keep his promises... Not only did he not answer the question we have the next time when it's brought up again.

Chapter 470

"Doesn't matter about the promise." I want to save Sasuke for my own sake."

Naruto telling her it doesn't matter if there a promise between them and if he never made he still chase after Sasuke....

Then what the hell is it then? This just tells us that his "feelings" for Sakura are shallow as hell and fading.

After this it's never brought up again. Normally if the girl you love did a fake confession like this be heartbroken & could never see them again.

But, Naruto acted as if this nothing ever happen. It's never brought up again.

If he really wanted Sakura wouldn't he have ask his mother advice/tips on this?

Looking back

Chapter 693

you have Sakura confess again right in front of Naruto & he isn't even fazed nor cares by it.

Chapter 691

At the end Naruto still doesn't even mention her to his father at the end.

At the end of it Naruto still doesn't know a damn thing about romance or girls. Why would he? Honestly an orphan at birth will be ignorant to certain situations. Just look at how long it took for Naruto to understand Sasuke.

but the question is when did Naruto start to grow up & mature?

I'd say it the time Jiraya died that when he truly grew up & matured.

May revise when I feel like it.

[watermelonsloth]

I was digging through old texts and found propaganda I wrote for team taka being a polycule

This is my formal apology for not mentioning them in my “what I ship” post.

1. Sasuke was a sort of “awakening” for all of them. He was the first person to show Karin kindness, he was the first person to inspire Suigetsu into loyalty, and he was the first person to make Juugo feel safe/secure enough to freely interact with people

2. Sasuke chose each of them specifically, a sign that he respects all of them

3. Sasuke was willing to die for team taka and refused to leave any one of them behind against Killer Bee

4. Suigetsu risked his life to give team taka a chance at escape against Killer Bee

5. When Sasuke saw he accidentally hit Karin with Amaterasu, it was upsetting enough that he unlocked one of his mangekyou sharingan abilities

6. Suigetsu went through the trouble of freeing Juugo and finding Sasuke during the war

7. Team taka offers support to Sasuke without actively trying to force their beliefs into him or “fix” him like so many others do

8. Juugo helps out Suigetsu and Karin even when he doesn’t have to

9. Karin lets down her walls in front of team taka and no one else

10. After Shippuden, Karin, Suigetsu, and Juugo all decide to stick together

11. In the Boruto anime, there’s an entire arc of Karin and Suigetsu trying to help Juugo

12. Sasuke doesn’t drop them after completing his goal of killing Itachi despite only using them initially

13. All of them have an interesting dynamic with each other

14. All of them have similar traumas and have shown that they understand each other

15. They all knew Sasuke well enough to see how he was acting during the five kage summit and not only knew that something was up but were actively concerned (though my memory’s a little fuzzy here about Suigetsu and Juugo, I know for fact Karin falls under this)

16. They all knew Sasuke well enough to know he was back to normal when they met up with him during the war arc

17. All of team taka know how to and are capable of restraining and calming down Juugo

18. All of team taka can see through Karin’s act

19. All of team taka know how to reel in Suigetsu

20. Team taka knew that Sasuke was using them and still chose to follow him

21. Sasuke gave team taka seals that would inform them if he had been reversed summoned

22. Suigetsu thought Karin and Sasuke were close enough to have had a child

23. Both Karin and Juugo have nearly pushed themselves to chakra exhaustion induced death to save other members of team taka

24. Both Karin AND Suigetsu find Sasuke attractive

25. Suigetsu and Juugo were sparing partners while with Orochimaru

26. Suigetsu was right there to help Karin against Guruguru Zetsu

27. Both Suigetsu and Juugo have shown a fondness for animals

28. They were close enough that Sasuke abandoning/hurting team taka was used by Kishimoto to demonstrate him falling into darkness

29. Sasuke puts his life in taka's hands on multiple occasions (most notably after his fight with Deidara, during the fight against Killer Bee, and during the Five Kage Summit)

30. The entire team taka vs Killer Bee fight

31. Suigetsu is so invested in Sasuke and Karin’s love life that Juugo felt the need to ask him about it

32. Sasuke trusted team taka enough to ask them for help in completing his goal to kill Itachi, something he didn’t even trust team seven with

33. Karin is physically affectionate with Sasuke (something he was shown to be neutral towards up until her personality switch in the war arc) but stops whenever he tells her to

34. Sasuke took a detour in his goal to help Suigetsu get the executioner’s blade

35. Juugo and Karin worry about Sasuke during the war

36. Both Sasuke and Karin are from dying clans

37. Karin goes to Juugo for help to get the Konoha ninja off their trail

38. Juugo, Suigetsu, and Karin all have the shared trauma of being used as experiments by Orochimaru

39. Juugo has sworn himself to protect Sasuke

40. Karin unlocks the chain jutsu in her panic to save Sasuke

[sasukeless]

Hii, I hope you you're doing well I wanted to know if you have any thoughts/opinions on the team 7 vs team taka debate that I see some people get very passionate about😅

oh this is like opening pandora’s box. i have alot of thoughts on it but i will try to keep it simply.

my honest opinion is that both sides are veryy biased.

team 7 stans fear to admit that sasuke cared for team taka even if there’s proof he did because most of team 7 stans are shippers and shippers tend to not like admitting that sasuke does care for other people outside of the character they ship him with. which is not new i mean i see people claiming sasuke loves more naruto/sakura than he ever loved itachi and it’s just not true. again, it’s just a shipping thing i see because i assume they like the “character hates everyone but you trope ❤️” when it definitely doesn’t fit sasuke. they act like sasuke had no choice to be a team with taka when he himself chose them because he wanted them with him. (ik this gets ss especially heated after sasuke rejected sakura when she wanted to come with him. just to later sasuke pick a team that included a girl in it lol) it’s just annoying and honestly pathetic so o ignore them all the same.

on the other hand, team taka stans claim than sasuke never cared for team 7 post part 1 and act like naruto’s feelings are completely one sided. and while it’s true sasuke cared for sakura and kakashi in part 1 and later managed to cut his bonds with them, this is not the case with naruto because sasuke HIMSELF states it. taka also gets too fanonized because ppl see taka supporting blindly sasuke and think that it’s how team 7/naruto should act when that completely ignores that well, sasuke’s path is not free of flaws and his self-harming actions aren’t really smth to ignore. again, taka’s devotion for sasuke is a very blind one, while naruto’s devotion can be a kind of selfish at times, it at least keeps him awake when sasuke is doing smth that’s self destructive. also as perfect as ppl say taka are, they ignore that sasuke doesn’t return the same devotion to his teammates. he’s not completely honest with his goals (as we see him only telling obito in private that he wanted to slaughter everyone in konoha and prior he had been just feigning in front of taka when he said he just wanted the take down the elders only.), he also left and cut them off during the 5 kage arc and he didn’t have any intention of going to seek them again, only after they seek him first he accepted them back to help them. and like Yes, sasuke cares for them as a team as he did for team 7, since we can see him fighting for them in their fight against bee with the same determination he wanted to fight for team 7 in their fight against gaara. but there’s still a disconnect between them. and this is ignored by stans that also blatantly deny that naruto is special to sasuke in a way nobody but itachi is even when sasuke himself is the one saying this and individualizing naruto from team 7 in a way he doesn’t do with any other in team 7 AND in team taka.

so to put it simply, sasuke has show care for both teams but neither team is perfect and there’s things to criticize in each of them and personally it’s what makes them fun! i get having preference everyone has it but this discourse just has both sides acting biased and denying sasuke’s actual characterization to fit either of their agendas