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acidic--citrus · 6 months ago

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Hiii! In my previous reblog of this wonderful post, I said I would be providing some more accurate Korean translations of the stuff we've seen to confirm or correct things as an addendum; I hope OP doesn't mind ^^ I'd also like to share some additional thoughts of mine that I've been rotating. I've just been rewatching this goddamned trailer over and over because I'm Just That Obsessed and wanted to share some of my findings/thoughts. HERE WE GO! All under the cut.

Going by the order of topics in the original post, first off are the silhouettes in the title card! People in the notes have speculated correctly; the 5 silhouettes we see are N Corp Don, Sinclair, Faust, and BL Yi Sang and Outis, from left to right. Here's a gif I made to easily show what I mean. (Huge thanks to the public limcom shared assets google drive, I don't know what I'd be without it.)

(Seeing as how later on in the trailer, the Envy Peccatula are confirmed to manifest as N Corp Don and Faust at the very least, I hope this means we'll also have a Blade Lineage/Yield My Flesh to Claim Their Bones node, or BL/YMFTCTB themed wave if the Envy Peccatula fight is going to be all in one node.)

Next, the new RR4 gimmick of specific buffs being seemingly tied to the order in which you choose your sinners pre-battle. The translations for these buffs in the original post are, for the most part, fine, but here I've cleaned up and corrected the translation (I even used the in-game font to match in the hopes that someone out there will appreciate it!!). The source for my translation comes from. ME! I'm (somewhat) fluent in Korean, though my primary language/native tongue is English. I also cross-referenced the in-game translations across both the English and Korean versions of the game (I was very thorough) so as to be accurate.

Additionally, I tried to decipher what the blurry text is for Yi Sang and Hong Lu, which google translate couldn't catch in the original post. They are also included in the image above.

To do so, I used the same font used for the Korean in the game, and typed out what I thought it was from a glance, and then put them right next to each other for comparing. Unfortunately, even going frame-by-frame, Heathcliff's text was far too blurry and went by too fast to decipher.

I'd say it looks about right, doesn't it??

From here on out, I'm supplying new tidbits not in the original post!

The next part in the trailer shows a little of how the backup mechanic works.

First off, yes, it looks like 2 sinners died in the turn prior, as Dante's announcer comment confirms this (my translation might be a little different from how the actual in-game English version of Dante's comment is translated, I just tried to remember to the best of my ability).

Additionally, it seems you can remove, switch out, or outright cancel backup sinners from joining in??? As "해제" here means 'to clear,' or remove. I don't know about this one tbh. "대기" means 'in wait/standby', or backup.

And this is just a small thing, but another thing of note are the little unique status effect icons that each sinner has. Here I've written in large text what the number is in each of their status effects for easy viewing. Numbers 1, 3, and 6 are in red/orange, and belong to the first 6 sinners chosen. Numbers 7 and 8 obviously belong to the new backup sinners who just joined.

I think this is a continuation of the trend in gimmicks featured in the Walpurgisnacht events, where the first sinner you pick has unique buffs and a unique status icon to match. I'm pretty sure that if you hovered over those status icons, you'd see what specific buffs they have.

I wonder if we'll have the freedom to choose which buffs we assign to what number order, similar to how in the 2nd Refraction Railway we could choose the order in which buffs to receive.

To end this post, I'd like to throw my hat into the ring on speculating who wrote the abnormality observation logs teased in the trailer as well!

So while I have the sliiight advantage of being able to more easily pick out everyone's writing style in Korean, as its more obvious/telling in many ways, for example differences in 존댓말 (formal/polite speech) and 반말 (normal/casual speech), I'm still not 100% sure on who's who, as some quirks of their writing overlap with one another. That and, there's very limited data; only one paragraph given for each abnormality. :( i need more .... i need MORE (clawing at my enclosure)

First of all, reminder that sinners receiving/having an EGO of a particular abnormality does NOT mean they'll always be the abnormality's log writer!

Portrait of a Certain Day

That being said, interestingly enough, it seems that this time the abnormality's log writer belongs to someone who does share an EGO with it—Gregor!

We can safely rule out Ishmael as being the writer, because even though the English log is blunt and straightforward like in her other logs, she also uses polite speech (존댓말), and there's absolutely NONE of that here. Rather, the blunt and casual speech (반말) is definitely reminiscent of Gregor's other logs, and while Heathcliff also speaks using casual language, he's also more... violently inclined? So I think we can also rule him out safely too.

Further, the line "Yeah, it's like we're taking advantage of their deaths, isn't it?" could be a reference to how Gregor hates medals, a representation of a person's "great achievements," because of how they're touted as something to strive for when all it is is propaganda for further campaigning. The soldiers in the war were taken advantage of and used for another's purposes.

Similarly, a portrait is a (dishonest) representation of someone, and usually these portraits are glorified or commissioned by someone of high status to make the person portrayed look good (recall canto VI's first intervallo), much like a medal. So when Gregor expresses his distaste for a portrait being paraded around...? 👀 You see what I'm getting at.

Dreaming Electric Sheep

THIS HAS GOT TO BE HONG LU IT HAS TO BE. listen listen okay listen on the topic of hong lu observation logs, listen his last two logs for the Sign of Roses and Canto VI's first intervallo's final boss respectively was. was. listen okay they were absolute gut punches and i. they make me distort everytime i think about them okay i just need to get this out somewhere. anywhere. its so dark in here

Ahem, SO! Judging by how the dream aspect is being emphasized here like the original post mentions, as well as how the writer uses polite speech in the Korean version, I'm leaning more towards this being written by Hong Lu. Red Chamber Dream has a huge motif going on with dreams, or so I hear, and him waxing a little poetic in the line "It was almost like a dream." could tie into that! That line is also why I don't think its Ishmael, who also uses polite speech, as I think she rarely ever waxes poetic; from my observations it seems she tends to be blunt, straightforward, and goes about it objectively.

I'm also ruling out Sinclair, another such polite speech-user, since he stutters (includes many ellipses) often in his logs, and in awkward moments. His also tend to include lots of "um"s, "uh"s, and other such sounds to convey hesitance or lack of confidence/certainty. The ellipses that trail off here are more reminiscent of Hong Lu's tendency to trail off into thought at times, I think!

i bet 13 lunacy that earlier in the log, hong lu talks about how the sheep's fluffiness reminds him of something/a luxury back at home lolol

Envy Peccatula

Hmmm... The casual speech here and the lighthearted "nicknames" given to the lust and gluttony Peccatula ("mass of flesh," "toothy plant-thingy") make me think it's going to be Rodya who writes this log, as she loves to give nicknames to things in her logs!

While she's jovial and silly for most of her logs, when shit gets real or something made a serious impact on her, her tone sometimes gets serious or dumbfounded—and I think this is one of those times.

The impact placed on that last line, "But... these look just like us." makes me think of Rodya's whole deal of wanting to be unique and stand out. The introduction of dopplegangers, and her having to face herself (which she has been AVOIDING..!!!) would absolutely be something to shake her deeply.

This is the one that's throwing me in for a loop, I'm not gonna lie. But at the same time, I can't see myself attributing this to any other sinner otherwise, that is, assuming that the new abnormalities introduced with this Refraction Railway are all written by different people (no repeats).

The King in Binds

Following right after the doozy that was the previous one, This is 1000% Yi Sang. This is just Yi Sang. I know for a FACT that NO ONE ELSE IN THE BUS is talkin like That in Korean. ITS SO PAINFULLY OBVIOUS which logs are his, this needs NO MORE discussion. EVERYONE GO HOME

Jokes aside, the specific things that gave it away to me were "듯했으나," and especially the "하오." at the end of the sentence. I can't quite translate them into a proper English equivalent, but just know that they're very antiquated Korean, and the only other sinner who does that is Don Quixote, and she is NOT the one who wrote this. She simply isn't. Source: Trust Me Bro

Such is all I have to say on who I think will have written these observation logs. If you've made it this far THANK YOU FOR COMING! I hope to write more analysis posts in the future.

Hello Limbus Gamers

Why did I title this post that.

Anyway, yeah, it's that time again. I'm gonna analyze the RR4 trailer. Some of you may be asking why, but. You'll see.

Oh boy you'll see.

Starting off, we get a very brief animation of the nodes of the new Railway. And by brief, I do mean, this shit speeds past you like instantly.

They even make sure to not show the whole thing all at once to make it harder to count. I did count though. There are thirteen of these nodes in this animation. This might be subject to change, but we shall see.

Then we get the title card. We're back to single word Railway names from before RR3, and in the background we get to see some silhouettes. We're gonna learn what they are during the trailer itself, but you can already tell they're the abnos from the Battle Pass E.G.O - Dreaming Electric Sheep, The King in Binds, and Portrait of a Certain Day.

We also see silhouettes of some Sinners, and while it's hard to make out with the text in the way, I'm pretty sure there's N Corp Don, N Corp Faust, and BL Yi Sang in there.

Now THIS is interesting - a new Railway gimmick! Not just one gimmick though, but after throwing the screenshot into Google Translate, it turns out we might be dealing with two!

First, the one that doesn't need translating to figure out - the Backup gimmick. I believe it's shown a bit clearer in the next scene, so I won't be speculating on it too much yet, but from my guess it's a replacement for a similar mechanic in RR3, where you could throw another team of Sinners at an Abnormality after your initial team of 6 died to finish the Abno off from where you left it at.

That's not the most interesting part though, this is.

Our Sinners are also going to be recieving individual buffs in this Railway, potentially based on selection order, considering PM has been pushing more and more for the selection order to matter with the recent addition to the E.G.O Gifts.

If I'm correct and the buffs are based on selection order instead of being completely random, we can see the buffs are as follows:

Selection 1 - Identity Level +2

Selection 2 - SP Gain Efficiency +3

Selection 3 - too blurry for google to translate

Selection 4 - Defense Level +2

Selection 5 - Max Speed +2 (the 5 came from the semi-transparent level 45 number lmao)

Selection 6 - too blurry for google to translate

Selection 7 - Final Power +1

Selection 8 - Damage taken -10%

Selection 9 - this one i'm not too sure on but it might be Aggro +5 (the 45 came from the semi-transparent level 45 number lmao)

Selection 10 - scene cuts away too quickly to read it

In addition to that, some IDs (primarily the Backup selections but also for some reason Faust) get a head start of +10 SP when they join the fight, which is a very nice way to help off-set the issue of having to gain sanity in harder fights to even attempt winning clashes.

Next scene shows us what seems to be the Backup mechanic. It's an admittedly very brief shot that barely shows us anything of how it works, but considering everyone's low sanity and Ishmael's stagger, I'm guessing what happened is two units died and the backup units were put in there in their stead.

An interesting gimmick that honestly feels more lore-accurate than the current system LMAO.

Next up, we get our excerpts from the new Abno Logs. This one, based on the background, is for Portrait of a Certain Day. It's a bit hard to tell who wrote this Log based on the English translation, but it does give an interesting insight onto the Abnormality and by extention its E.G.O, Bygone Days.

Something about taking advantage of deaths through parading mementos of the dead in connection to Yi Sang and Gregor, huh... Gregor is the one who gave Aya's mask to Yuri as a memento, and then proceeded to keep that mask as a memento of Yuri. On the other hand, while Yi Sang personally didn't keep mementos of the League around, both Dongbaek and Dongrang had a strong emotional attachment to the last remaining picture of the League all together. There's something there I think.

Then we get to see the excerpt from Dreaming Electric Sheep's Abno Log. Again, not very clear who's writing this from the English translation. And this is a very interesting excerpt too! This is the clearest connection we get between the Abno and the 'Dreaming' part of its name! I feel like I'd need to see the whole Log to get a better idea of what is being conveyed here, but it is good to see we're getting to see some new angles on the Abno.

BIG SHEEP! It's notable that it's attacking Faust.

And there's Portrait, in all its low bitrate glory! Note that it's attacking Yi Sang.

What follows is two more shots, one of each of the Abnos, and then...

It might hard to see in that glorious 240p low bitrate, but yes. That is, in fact, N Corp Don and N Corp Faust, covered in a purple glow, attacking the Sinners.

And then, the bombshell.

Guys.

These are Envy Peccatula.

Envy Peccatula are doppelgangers.

DO YOU REALIZE HOW HUGE THIS IS FOR SIN ANALYSIS??? Envy is one of those sins we got barely anything on due to its lack of Peccatula, and yet here we are, RR4 gave us a fucking blessing.

Anyway, back to talking about the actual fights themselves, I believe we're going to be dealing with faction-themed Envy Peccatula stages. The one we see in the trailer is N Corp, complete with a relevant background, and in the in the title card we can see Blade Lineage Yi Sang, implying we could get a BL-themed node as well. Notably, these are both factions that have enough IDs to form a full team.

The only other full team ID factions we have are W Corp and Liu Association, so these are also contenders for Envy Peccatula nodes. Seven Association is also possible, as they are only missing one ID from being a full six ID team. We could also potentially get a fraud Pequod Trio that's made up of the Pequod IDs, which would be really funny, but I'm not sure how likely that is.

Back to the trailer itself.

We finally get the Abno Log excerpt for The King in Binds, and it's very evocative in my opinion. The poetic language makes me think that Yi Sang is the one writing this Log.

This seems like an excerpt that's being used to describe a game mechanic - The King in Binds might have a mechanic where he tears himself free from his throne if certain conditions are met. Very interesting considering what we know about the abno.

What follows is some extremely quick and hard to see snippits of The King in Binds attacking Yi Sang. Yes, this is the best frame I could get from it.

Aaaand that's about it!

All in all, extremely excited about the potential Envy lore and fighting against out own units, and I guess the abnos are there too.

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