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closed event starter for @rhysmorgann
Nicole looked around as she stood in line with Ryder in his stroller, waiting to see Santa. She had invited Rhys to join them and she was going he'd show up before they got up to see the Christmas icon. Last year, Ryder was so tiny that he didn't realize what was going on, but now he was just over 13 months and was more aware so she was excited to see how he'd react. Finally spotting her son's father, she waved over to him and smiled as he approached. "Rhys, hey. Did you bring the camera?" She asked curiously, knowing while they did pictures with Santa, she wanted Rhys to take one or two as well.
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The 25th anniversary Bond film and first Bond film since Roger Moore retired, The Living Daylights premiered on July 31, 1987. Pierce Brosnan was set to take on the Bond mantle when at the last moment, the makers of the TV show Remington Steele decided to capitalize on all the Bond buzz and hold him to a new season of the cancelled show. This was a failure as the new season only managed 6 episodes before cancelling. The failed season also prevented Steele costar Stephanie Zimbalist from taking a major role in the sci fi blockbuster Robocop. Brosnan was replaced by Timothy Dalton who had decided to pass on the role years earlier because at the time he felt he was too young. However, he only made one more movie before the franchise was forced into hiatus. After years of limbo, Dalton decided to move on and Brosnan was once more offered the role. The Living Daylights and the following Dalton movie both protrayed a Bond closer to the novels, possibly the closest till the Daniel Craig era years later. Following the success of the Duran Duran theme for View to a Kill, Ah-Ha of "Take on Me" fame was tapped for the theme song. Besides the darker and violent take on the character, the movie also had a couple of scenes of actual nudity outside of the opening credits (including Virginia Hey of Farscape). Long time iconic Bond composer John Barry made a cameo as a conductor in the movie. Walter Gotell returned as General Gogol (The Spy Who Loved Me, Moonraker, For Your Eyes Only, Octopussy and A View to a Kill), Robert Brown as M (Octopussy and A View to a Kill) and Desmond Llewelyn as Q (every previous Bond film except Dr No and Live and Let Die). For the first time in the series, the role of Moneypenny was taken over by Caroline Bliss. Previously, since the first film Dr No, the role of Moneypenny had been played by Lois Maxwell making her the most consistent actor to play a role in the Bond franchise. The title and opening teaser was based on a Bond short story written by Ian Fleming. ("The Living Daylights" movie event)
#nerds yearbook#real life event#first appearance#james bond#bond james bond#007#the living daylights#richard maibaum#michael g wilson#ian fleming#john glen#timothy dalton#maryam d'abo#jeroen krabbe#joe don baker#john rhys davies#art malik#thomas wheatley#desmond llewelyn#q#robert brown#m#geoffery keen#walter gotell#general gotell#caroline bliss#miss moneypenny#felix leiter#july#1987
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The Living Daylights (1987)
Starring:
Timothy Dalton, Maryam d'Abo, Joe Don Baker, Art Malik, John Rhys-Davies, Jeroen Krabbé
Directed By:
John Glen
Genre:
Action/Thriller
Rating:
PG
Run Time:
2 Hours 10 Minutes
Release Date:
29 June 1987 (London, premiere)
31 July 1987 (United States)
Synopsis:
British secret agent James Bond (Timothy Dalton) helps KGB officer Georgi Koskov (Jeroen Krabbé) defect during a symphony performance. During his debriefing, Koskov reveals that a policy of assassinating defectors has been instated by new KGB head Leonid Pushkin (John Rhys-Davies). But as Bond explores this threat, a counterplot surfaces, involving a shady American arms dealer (Joe Don Baker) and a pair of Russian assassins, Necros (Andreas Wisniewski) and Kara Milovy (Maryam d'Abo).
#27 days of james bond#007#27 days of 007#james bond#james bond 007#day 17#the living daylights#timothy dalton#maryam d'abo#joe don baker#art malik#john rhys davies#jeroen krabbé#john glen
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I have a lot of headcanons I've posted to @coffee4harper Discord server in the past couple hours and I was holdnto post them here so :]
💥TORCHWOOD💥
**Ianto James Bond Headcanons**
- Ianto has *atleast* five copies of his favourite James bond movies.
- Lisa started the "Jones. Ianto, Jones." Joke.
- After the events of the season 1 finale, ianto had been referred to as 007 multiple times.
- After Ianto's death, Jack went to every opening night showing of a James bond film, then went to Ianto's grave to tell him about it.
- Ianto use to have a framed picture of every James bond actor in his childhood room.
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**Torchwood Social Medias**
During slow days at work, the team goes on:
*Owen* - Reddit. He absolutely loves Reddit and frequents many subreddits
*Tosh* - YouTube. She probably watches in depth YouTube tutorials on both things she's interested in so she can learn, and things she already knows to silently judge
*Ianto* - Tumblr. He's not very active, but he does some scrolling during slow days in the tourist office.
*Gwen* - Instagram. She comments on every one of Rhys' posts and watches instagram reels.
*Jack* - do you really think this man knows how to use social media? Owen probably made him download snapchat and got him hooked on the fitters like every grandparent
Owen's reddit account was also linked to his torchwood email
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The team once came into the hub really late to find Jack sleeping on the couch under the "TORCHWOOD" sign hugging ten's hand jar
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One of the last things the face of bo sees is a suited figure crouching down infront of him and just holding him. He can't remember the figure's face, or who it is, but the face of bo feels safe to die, knowing he's in this unknown figure's arms
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Jack reaches out to ianto's sister after the days of miracle day and offers finance support to her until the day she dies, saying ianto would've wanted his family to be safe. This continues for generations, until eventually the children are stopped being told of their late relative Ianto and the odd man who gives them so much money in his name
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Owen fucking loves Melanie Martinez - specifically Cry Baby
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Sometime in season 2, Jack once again started feeling guilty about suddenly leaving Torchwood for the Doctor for like a year, so he surprised Ianto with a spontaneous road trip. They drove across Wales for a week and it was one of the last peaceful moments the two ever had
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**Post Death**
Owen's spirit haunted Dash-Con
After the events of House If The Dead, Ianto's spirit ended up at Canary Warf. Tourists and people who work in the area often talk about the suited Welshman who sits at the fountain all day, everyday, waiting for a woman to arrive
Tosh's spirit, somehow, ended up in Glasgow. She haunts Torchwood 2 and helps old Archie with tech. Archie doesn't realise she's a spirit. He's just happy to have company and someone to help him with all the email stuff
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Mitski became popular and Jack locked himself in his office for a week straight and sobbed to her songs, thinking about ianto and all he lost in the past few years. He made sure to keep her music safe until his face of bo era. He never played miski for the guests of his events. She was just for him and his cat maid
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The doctor's hand was destroyed in the torchwood bomb, and after learning about it, Jack just sobbed. He's lost tosh, Owen, and ianto. And now, he can't even keep track of the doctor. He's lost in his eternal life with nothing. This later leads to his decision to leave earth
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Jack absolutely loved the x-men comics when they were first released, and when X-Men First Class was released he'd watch it on repeat imagining him and his team in place of the characters. The roles would shift around sometimes, but Jack always sees himself as Charles Xavier
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Jack had a fling with Wilfred Owen during WW1. He keeps original copies of the man's work close to him. After Ianto's death, he donated what he could scavenge of the papers to the London Archives, not wanting anymore reminders of the men he loved that died too young
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After CoE, and realising she never actually knew Ianto, Gwen sat Jack down with a cup of tea and asked him to tell her everything he could about the real Ianto before his funeral. Jack just.. sighed.. and said to gwen, "he was many things" and never explained further
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Before the coffin was closed, Jack started a stopwatch and placed it in Ianto's hand. Like the ring that John threw in with Jack when he was forced to bury Jack alive, the stopwatch was a tracker with a special battery to allow it to run for centuries. When he felt lonely, Jack would check on the tracker, just to know that ianto was still there and the stopwatch was still ticking away, timing their time apart. He was not ready for the day he checked on the tracker and the screen was blank
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(Based off that one scene in greys anatomy) after the service, Jack and gwen found a quiet spot to sit, and Jack just burst into laughter. And because Jack was laughing, Gwen was laughing. And they laughed together until it morphed into a comfortable silence between them as they held eachother
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Ianto was buried with a sobriety coin in his pocket. Only Jack knows about this.
#ianto jones#torchwood#captain jack harkness#janto#children of earth#coe#miracle day#headcanon#owen harper#toshiko sato#gwen cooper
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Post dinner consensus: Johnathan Rhys Meyers would be the best Bond (if he cleaned up)
JRM 4 007!
#Why isn’t he on any of the lists?#Now that’s something I can get behind#No 007 can’t be played by an American actor#Aaron Taylor Johnson? Maybe I’m bias because he played Vronsky#Theo James#Taron Egerton#What says you tumblr?
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⸻ max irons, 39, cis man, he/him ; ] welcome to the bastion, RHYS THORNE. we’ve had a problem with our system, please help me readjust your files. it says here you are THIRTY NINE and have been around london for YOUR WHOLE LIFE, correct? yes, i’ve read an article about you - they said you can be CONFIDENT and DISTANT, is that true? no matter, i’m sure your position as a SPY FOR THE TABLE will conceal all of that. all done now. i hope to be seeing more of your DOZENS OF PASSPORTS WITH FALSE NAMES ON EACH / A WARDROBE TO FIT EVERY OCCASION / PERFECTLY BLOWN SMOKE RINGS in the future. enjoy your stay, and remember the rules. / / james bond, jack ryan, jason bourne. [ ⸻ honey ;
𝐟𝐚𝐜𝐭𝐬
full name . rhys henry thorne
nickname(s) . rhys
age . 39
sexuality . heterosexual
place of birth . london, england
occupation . spy for the head of the table
height . 6'0"
tattoos . plenty of scars + tattoos worked over the scars.
piercings . none
pinterest . here
𝐝𝐞𝐭𝐚𝐢𝐥𝐬
( tw: )
a lot of this is tbd while plotting with daddio
rhys fell in love with spy movies as a kid. it seemed so fast passed, so intense and interesting that he sought to find a way into that world. he won’t admit it, but he can quote the old james bond movies.
but being a spy for the crown just wasn’t what he thought it would be. covering up shit for politicians and people who needed to keep a clear image wasn’t what he signed up for. that damn sure wasn’t what 007 did. his tipping point was always a delicate one, which is why one little wind pushed him into the world his father had already embraced.
years later he’s a spy for the head of the table herself. nobody knows really, but they damn sure do know he does something for the table. rhys weasels his way into every sort of situation, he learns your secrets, and he reports what’s worth it to the woman in charge. sometimes he gets his hands dirty, and the lack of rules and regulations certainly makes him enjoy this job a far bit more.
𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐧𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐬
on main :
flings, exes, messes : is hoe, make mess.
friends : or as close as they can get. he doesn’t really get close to a lot of people but their relationship works because they don’t really ask any questions either.
sparring partners : he enjoys fighting, and they keep one another in the ring and up to skill.
connections : people who tip him off to things, whether willing on their part or just people he has manipulated into it and don’t even realize what is going on.
enemies : or just in general people who don’t like him, people who don’t get along with him, people who he doesn’t like.
〈 𝐑𝐇𝐘𝐒 𝐓𝐇𝐎𝐑𝐍𝐄 / 𝐬𝐩𝐲 〉,〈 𝐫𝐡𝐲𝐬 / 𝚝𝚑𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚍𝚜 〉
〈 𝐑𝐇𝐘𝐒 𝐓𝐇𝐎𝐑𝐍𝐄 / 𝐬𝐩𝐲 〉,〈 𝐫𝐡𝐲𝐬 / 𝚒𝚗𝚜𝚙𝚘 〉
〈 𝐑𝐇𝐘𝐒 𝐓𝐇𝐎𝐑𝐍𝐄 / 𝐬𝐩𝐲 〉,〈 𝐫𝐡𝐲𝐬 / 𝚒𝚖𝚊𝚐𝚎 〉
〈 𝐑𝐇𝐘𝐒 𝐓𝐇𝐎𝐑𝐍𝐄 / 𝐬𝐩𝐲 〉,〈 𝐫𝐡𝐲𝐬 / 𝚍𝚎𝚟 〉
#〈 𝐑𝐇𝐘𝐒 𝐓𝐇𝐎𝐑𝐍𝐄 / 𝐬𝐩𝐲 〉#〈 𝐫𝐡𝐲𝐬 / 𝚝𝚑𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚍𝚜 〉#〈 𝐫𝐡𝐲𝐬 / 𝚒𝚗𝚜𝚙𝚘 〉#〈 𝐫𝐡𝐲𝐬 / 𝚒𝚖𝚊𝚐𝚎 〉#〈 𝐫𝐡𝐲𝐬 / 𝚍𝚎𝚟 〉#talesfmintro
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Art Masterlist
A dream I had
All liars go to hell (Deacon and X6)
All about Jay
Bedhead Danse
Boone
Daily rounding of oreos
Danse and Cutler (gif)
Danse and Cutler remade (gif)
Danse eats sushi with a fork
Danse in Slime Rancher
Danse stimming
Danse and Cavetown
Danse is EVIL and DANGEROUS
Danse and Jay hugging
Deaccready (ugly ass groom)
DiMA
DiMA helping a worm across the road
Doodle Deacons
[Edit] She was poetry... Faraday x DiMA
[Edit] Desdemona
[Edit] DiMA x Faraday
[Edit] Nick
FNV gecko
For the Brotherhood
Frustration area
[Fanfiction] Danse and Uncertaincy, Ao3
[Fanfiction] Danse and Cutler (unfinished)
[Fanfiction] Six-sentence Danse and Cutler
Jay!
Jay and Danse blood
Jay and Danse oven
Jay eating cigarettes (gif)
Jay and Shaun
Jay's outfits
Jay being ansgty on a bench
Jay and a lot of blood
Military irl
[Moodboard] Jay
[Moodboard] Danse
[Moodboard] Deacon
[Moodboard] Edward Deegan x Jack Cabot
Nick explains what a tree is to DiMA
Piss ass ass (Jay and Danse)
Queer Deacon
Rhys wouldnt love Danse as a worm
Stop starin' at me with those big ol' eyes
[Stimboard] Nick Valentine
They call Deacon 007
Transe (trans Danse)
To a good home (Danse)
Too Sweet (Preston x Sole)
Trans!fem Danse
[Gifset] Maximus doesn't know what sex is
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"I take this is not a social call, 007."
John Rhys-Davies as General Leonid Pushkin
Art from THE JAMES BOND LEXICON by Alan J. Porter and Gillian Porter
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Matthew Rhys Reveals How He Messed Up His James Bond Audition With A Joke
Matthew Rhys has added his identify to the lengthy record of British actors who, regardless of their greatest endeavours, wouldn’t be Bond. The star of Perry Mason and The Americans instructed The Times of London that he managed to royally mess up his assembly with 007’s producers, again after they have been on the lookout for a alternative for Pierce Brosnan. Rhys instructed the paper he was…
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VALENTINE’S STARTER • @wasworthy • Rhys Strongfork
“Now, you know I barely need an excuse to get dressed up. And I love being your plus one to these things - especially given how good you look in a suit. But you look like you’d rather crawl out of your skin than go back in there, so here’s a wild idea,”
The bubble of conversation, though muffled, can still be heard coming from the gala they’ve momentarily escaped from. Midge reaches to fix the knot of his tie, and there’s mischief in her expression as she glances up to meet his eyes.
“There’s a back entrance near the kitchen. And I’m very good at sneaking out of places.”
#wasworthy#+ wasworthy.#+ interaction.#MIRIAM ‘ MIDGE ’ MAISEL • i want to be the biggest thing out there.#MIRIAM ‘ MIDGE ’ MAISEL + interaction.#MIRIAM ‘ MIDGE ’ MAISEL * verse 000. ( undetermined )#MIRIAM ‘ MIDGE ’ MAISEL + rhys strongfork 007. ( wasworthy )#OOC + queue.#apparently all it took was one comment from you#and i'm completely all in on this ship ;)
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🌙 — tag dump.
#001. — BEHAVIOR.#002. — HUMOR.#003. — VISAGE.#004. — NISHA.#005. — ANGEL.#006. — TIMOTHY.#007. — LILITH.#008. — MAYA.#009. — ROLAND.#010. — AXTON.#011. — MORDECAI.#012. — ZER0.#013. — BRICK.#014. — SALVADOR.#015. — ATHENA.#016. — MOXXI.#017. — CL4P-TP.#018. — RHYS.#019. — HEADCANON.#020. — DASH GAME.#021. — DASH COMM.#022. — ASK.#023. — PROMPT.#024. — PROMPT FILL.#025. — AESTHETIC.#026. — IN.#027. — OUT.#028. — REFERENCE.
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Latest tweet on trail cam with Rhys Darby; no Kiwi, stay tune for his TikTok!
New post from Rhys Darby's Instagram:
“I miss my boys so I'm heading to The Music is Bond tonight at the Kiri Te Kanawa Theatre, Aotea Centre. There's still tickets available I think, so come along for a tremendous evening of 007 tunes!”
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16 for the ask meme
for @ beckettjay as well :)
16. How does the Torchwood Secret Santa end in disaster
Jack gets Rhys.
He ends up organising a flash mob for Rhys outside his office. Rhys swears never to forgive him until gives him his real present, which is two tickets for a long weekend in Venice in Spring. Rhys says maybe he can find it in his heart to forgive Jack after all (even if Rhys does accuse Jack of just wanting to buy a gift for Gwen instead because he likes her more. Jack doesn’t deny it.)
Rhys gets Tosh.
Rhys. Panics. Tosh is nice, and friendly, and lovely. He initially thinks that compared to Captain Jack Bollocks and Owen (the guy who ‘comforted’ his wife during that rough path), getting Tosh was a result. But he knows *nothing* about her. She’s too nice to be let down with a shit gift, but he never knows how to talk to her. He can’t ask Gwen for help, because then she’ll know who he got. He ends up with no choice but to try and follow his wife’s example and do some stalking. Unfortunately, he’s just as rubbish at spying as Gwen-of-the-pizza-girl-disguise was, and Tosh ends up pulling a gun on him when she catches him following her around the John Lewis homeware department, convinced he’s an alien imposter is following her. Rhys nearly wets himself but manages to explain what’s going. Tosh points out the (scarily sharp) set of designer Christmas knives and takes a retcon pill so it will still be a surprise.
Tosh gets Ianto.
Toshiko thinks this should be a doddle. After all, it would be so easy to just hack into Ianto’s search history. Unfortunately, Ianto doesn’t google things such as ‘perfect presents for Ianto’. Aside from that more personal googles searches that Tosh could only suppose was research for his dabbling with Jack, everything else was weird and random google searches, and bookmarked pages of lists of weird random facts. Not only does Tosh struggle to find gift inspiration, she is shaken by the realisation that Ianto does in fact not know everything, he just commits random bits of info to memory which he can drop into conversation in order to seem like he knows everything.
Finally, Toshiko hits gold and hacks into the official 007 museum and has an authentic pair of Roger Moore’s cufflinks sent to the Hub, Ianto is delighted, but would be less so if he knew that Tosh picked the gift after reading his self-insert James Bond fanfic. She will never look at him the same again.
Ianto gets Andy.
Ianto panics at first in his calm, quiet way. Outwardly, he’s as cool as a cucumber. Inwardly, he’s in crisis mode. He isn’t even sure Andy should be in the office Secret Santa (Rhys was a push) seeing as Andy isn’t actually in the office.
Still, he rises to the challenge. He goes by the tried and tested method of internet stalking and google history hacking, and gets some good ideas. Beers, jeans, the odd piece of tech, but he decides to get some more info via Gwen and Owen, by subtly bringing Andy up in conversation. Unfortunately, his subtlety doesn’t turn out to be so subtle. Gwen and Owen become convinced that Ianto is considering inviting Andy to join in on Jack and Ianto’s dabbling. Gwen thinks that Jack and Ianto might be too overwhelming for Andy, and kindly advises Ianto to bring Andy into the fold gentle. Owen has his own objections to Jack & Ianto defiling his boyfriend friend acquaintance. Ianto firmly puts them right, but they’re still sceptical.
Ianto decides to give Andy what all men (and most women) truly want, and that’s a perfectly cut suit. Andy is surprised and delighted, while Ianto; well, after Gwen and Owen voices their suspicions, Ianto couldn’t quite get the idea out of his head. At first it seemed ludicrous, but after seeing him in that suit...well...Ianto’s next James Bond self-insert fic saw the inclusion of a mild mannered PC with sandy blond hair and a lanky build, getting up to all sorts of fun with James Bond and his Welsh butler.
Andy gets Owen.
Out of all the TW team members; except Gwen and maybe Rhys, Andy knows he lucked out getting Owen, seeing as he actually *knows* Owen. And Andy knows Owen has had a tough year, what with all that dying stuff, and he really wants to get Owen something special, something meaningful, something that tells Owen just how much their friendship has meant to Andy the past year.
Trouble is, they’re blokes, and Owen is the blokeiest of blokes. How are blokes meant to show their love and appreciation for them, especially when one of them would break out in hives at any sign of affection, if his skin was still capable of breaking out into hives.
Andy started second guessing himself, everything is either too personal, not personal enough, or just plain shit.
He finally strikes the perfect note with the platinum movie subscription package. With so much time to kill, what Owen really needs is something to fill it, and what better way than movies. Things are going well, Owen is delighted, too delighted in fact. He actually hugs Andy.
That’s when Andy starts crying.
Owen is surprisingly sensitive for him, but that only makes Andy cry even more, and in the end he has to step outside for five minutes to pull himself together.
Owen gets Gwen.
Ok, he likes Gwen. Gwen is a fairly open, honest person. Not too hard to buy her a gift. And Owen knows everyone thinks he can’t be sensitive, but even he’s not a total emotional potato when it comes to gifts. He’ll get her jewellery, chicks love jewellery. Good idea, pretty sensible. He’ll even go super thoughtful and check out antique jewellery, dating back to the 1891, the year her family moved to Cardiff.
He finds an antique site that is selling antique necklaces, and a beautiful emerald pendant that would perfectly match Gwen’s eyes. In great condition too.
In too great condition.
Yeah, the site is being run by illegal time travellers who have been using scavenged Rift tech to go into the past and sell the good they pick there for a profit. Ok, fine, bit dodgy but still...no harm done.
Except that the space hopping tech was unstable as hell and has been ripping a hole in the space time continuum and soon the streets are filled with Victorian Christmas carollers who fell through the gaps. Right, ok, bit annoying but fixable. Round them, confiscate the tech, send back the Victorians who want to go back, set the Victorians who’d rather stay and enjoy such luxuries as voting rights, indoor plumbing and inoculations up with new identities.
And then it turns out that a certain mass murderer known as Jack had been hanging around Cardiff that time. Luckily, they take him down before the streets of Cardiff are lined with corpses, but still, not someone you want to spend Christmas Eve interrogating.
That said, Gwen does love the necklace.
Gwen gets Jack.
Jack. Jack should be easy. Gwen loves Jack. Jack loves Gwen.
Except, oh yeah, Jack doesn’t tell her shit. Jack doesn’t tell anyone shit.
So how is she to get his Royal Enigmatic Immortal Pratness the perfect gift?
Well, maybe looking up a certain Doctor might do the trick. At first, it’s just meant to be a quick call, courtesy of the wonderful Martha Jones. That phone call turns into a skype meeting. That skype meeting turns into a face to face meeting. That face to face meeting turns into a frenzied hurry to save the world from the cannibalistic teddy bears that had gone on a rampage in the shopping centre. That fight to the death turns into an offer for just one trip, just one short little trip, maybe to see Christmas the year her family moved to Cardiff? Ok, but now she’s seen the past she has to see the future. And she can’t just stick to Earth she’s got to go to see some other planets and yeah of course her husband can come along!
So yeah, that one phone call turns into a six month trip through time and space and vague plans for another ‘quick’ jaunt in the Summer. During this trip Rhys ends up worshipped as a god for introducing lasagne to the until then war-torn planet of Zaxland, a lasagne so good that it ended a war that had been lasting for twenty generations and introduced an everlasting peace. And Gwen, Gwen gets turned into a werewolkf. Yeah, ok, the Doctor said he cured her, but she still runs way to fast and it’s bad enough that she wants her steaks extra rare now, but to eat them without a knife or fork and just tear at it with her teeth? yeah, a bit creepy.
Still, Jack is really chuffed with the album of his favourite 51st century singer’s greatest hits, so all’s well that ends well.
#Torchwood#Jack Harkness#Torchwood Christmas Ask Meme#Gwen Cooper#Toshiko Sato#Owen Harper#Rhys Williams#Ianto Jones#Andy Davidson#The doctor
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I want to talk about Elain today and her role in future books. I will also be talking about other ships at the end of this including: Lucien x Vassa, Lucien x Elain, and Azriel x Gwyn. These are merely my opinions and thoughts, this is not me trying to bash anyone else's opinions. I am open to having discussions as long as you are kind and respectful.
This is going to be long as a warning. Let's begin.
Quiet Strength
My friend recently start reading ACOTAR and she came to me one day and said that she had found a quote that she really liked. That quote was:
"She had looked at that cottage with hope; I had looked at it with nothing but hatred. And I knew which one of us had been stronger" ~ ACOTAR, pg. 259
I know that a lot of antis like to bring up the fact that Elain didn't do anything but plant flowers and such while Feyre was out risking her life to put food on the table. Why hadn't Elain planted food instead? As someone who tried to garden vegetables with her dad one year I can tell you it's not as easy as flowers.
Maybe Elain was trying to bring some color into their drab little existence like Feyre had done with the paints. Maybe she wanted one thing to make her happy.
When Feyre comes to see them in ACOMAF, to ask for their help, it was Elain who said that they should help.
"If... if we do not help Feyre, there won't be a wedding." ~ ACOMAF pg. 247
"Feyre gave and gave - for years. Let us help her. Help... others." ~ ACOMAF pg. 248
Elain was risking a lot by saying they should now help their Fae sister. She was going to be married to someone who's family hated the Fae. If they found out what Elain and Nesta were doing it would probably be the end of her engagement to Graysen. They would become Fae sympathizers and like the Children of the Blessed we see mentioned throughout the books.
Would a coward risk all of this? Not to me they wouldn't.
When Rhys, Az, and Cassian arrive once Elain had cleared out the servants. Elain, while scared, still tries to be a good host to the four of them. I want to come back to this scene when I discuss Elriel because this was the moment that I first started thinking that they would make a good pair.
But while Nesta and Feyre are more bold with their actions like wielding swords, bow and arrows, knives, etc., Elain doesn't necessarily back down from a challenge. When given Truth-Teller she simply states that she doesn't know how to use it. She does not shove it back at Azriel and refuse it, she simply informs him she doesn't know how to use it.
Also when they had been captured by Hybern and all that mess was going down. Tamlin had been gunning for Feyre and it was Elain who did this:
"But Elain's cry - a warning. A warning to- To my right, now exposed, Tamlin ran for me. To grab me at last." ACOMAF pg. 602
Elain, despite being scared in this highly stressful situation, saw her sister in danger and tried her hardest to warn her. If it had not been for Elain, Tamlin might have been able to grab Feyre at that moment in all the confusion and chaos. Despite being in her nightgown and terrified she still tried to protect her younger sister.
Once again when people are in danger once the Wall had been taken down it was Elain who spoke up. She knew that Graysen's family's estate could help protect those closest to the Wall and from any Fae that may come to do them harm.
"Glamour me," Elain said - to Rhys. "Make me look human. Just long enough to convince him to open his gates to those seeking sanctuary." ~ ACOWAR pg. 471
"It's already ended badly. Now it's just a matter of deciding how we meet the consequences." ~ ACOWAR pg. 471
She's Fae now. If Graysen or any of his family or those working for them knew this (which we see that they did) then they might kill her on sight. She risked her life to make sure defenseless humans remained as safe as they could with the oncoming war.
When Azriel and Feyre go to Hybern's camp to save Elain they also save another human. They are being pursued and clearly, the human girl is terrified of them, but it is Elain that says this:
"Grab onto him!" Elain ordered to the wide-eyed human girl as Azriel thundered toward her. *skipped ahead* "Elain screamed at her, "If you want to live, do it now!" ~ ACOWAR pg. 577
She also does this when the King of Hybern's beasts are upon them:
"Elain moved. As Azriel battled to keep them airborne, keep his grip on them, my sister sent a fierce kick into the beast's face. Its eye. *Skipped ahead* "Elain slammed her bare, muddy foot into its face again. The blow struck home." ACOWAR pg. 577
Knowing that their lives are in danger and that if this beast does anything to Azriel's wings they are all going to die. She does not hesitate and does not back down as she goes after the beast with her barefoot.
She slays the King of Hybern as well:
"Elain stepped out of a shadow behind him, and rammed Truth-Teller to the hilt through the back of the King's neck as she snarled in his ear, "Don't you touch my sister." ~ ACOWAR pg. 652
She has a protective streak in her and she will go down swinging if she has to.
And this I just found interesting. Everyone seems to shy away from Amren, but in ACOFAS this happens when they're all eating together:
"Elain, to my surprise, held Amren's gaze." ~ ACOFAS pg. 108
I just like that she held Amren's gaze.
Being Feminine Isn't Boring
I see a lot of people saying that Elain being feminine is boring, that she isn't an exciting heroine. Yes, Elain isn't one of SJM's typical heroines, but I think that makes her all the more interesting. We've never seen someone who isn't like Aelin, Bryce, Feyre, and Nesta from SJM.
"Elain stood between Nuala and Cerridwen at the long worktable. All three of them covered in flour." ~ ACOWAR pg. 386
"Elain was in the kitchen, helping Nuala and Cerridwen prepare the evening meal." ~ ACOFAS pg. 101
"She'd been toiling in the estate gardens since dawn." ~ ACOSF pg. 28
"Elain had already departed with Feyre, claiming she had to be up with the dawn to tend to an elderly faerie's garden." ~ ACOSF pg. 311
Do I think Elain's entire book will be based on her baking and taking care of gardens? No, I don't. I think she is capable of more than that and that is going to lead into my next point.
Elain Archeron, 007
This is not a new theory and it isn't even one that I came up with. Many lovely Elriels have pointed out comparisons to Azriel and Elain and how he may even teach her how to be a spy. I think it is a perfectly lovely idea. Let me show you some quotes from the book that make me think that this could be a possibility.
"Elain spoke from the doorway, having appeared so silently that they all twisted toward her, "Using me." ~ ACOSF pg. 230
They were talking about looking for the Dread Trove here and scrying. They were debating who should do it when Elain stepped up. She has done this before and with her seer abilities she is a perfect choice for the job. Obviously several characters aren't thrilled with the idea (Nesta and Azriel being two of the ones that don't like the idea).
"Azriel stiffened, an outright sign of temper from him as he said quietly, "There is an innate darkness to the Drea Trove that Elain should not be exposed to." ~ ACOSF pg. 311
"Elain saw every single thing Nesta had done, and understood why." ~ ACOSF pg. 470
"You came," Elain said behind her, and Nesta started, not having heard her sister approach. *skipped ahead* "Wondering if she'd been taking lessons in stealth either from Azriel or the two half-wraiths she called friends." ~ ACOSF pg. 595
We see that even Nesta is questioning whether or not Elain has been having lessons. She very well could have or this could be a hidden talent that Nesta has never gotten to see or never cared to see because she viewed Elain as someone who is innocent and needing protection.
Nesta mothers Elain throughout the series, we constantly see her coming to Elain's defense, stepping in front of her, talking for her. And while Elain used to let that slide we can see now that she is coming into her own and not letting Nesta walk all over her.
"Elain said, "You can't have it both ways. You cannot resent my decision to lead a small, quiet life while also refusing to let me do anything greater." ~ ACOSF pg. 232
I think Elain has been denied many things in her life because she has been seen as the most beautiful. Her own mother seeing her as nothing more than a pretty face that would be easy to marry off once she was of age. What will she do now that she has more freedom than she did before? Now that she will not become some lord's wife?
I do not see Elain as a warrior who is ready for battle, but I see her being ready for a different kind of battle.
"It took hours for Elain to work her charm on the staff to swiftly pack their bags and leave, each with a purse of money to hasten the process." ~ ACOMAF pg. 250
You know who else is charming? James Bond.
Being another pretty face has something going for Elain. No one would look at her and think "Yeah she's totally a spy." She can charm people, make them feel more at ease, and get them to open up. Maybe even enough that they think nothing of divulging things in front of her that otherwise shouldn't be overheard.
Maybe she can learn to glamour herself so that she is not recognizable to others. Who knows but I'm sure we'll find out when her book happens.
Welcome To Spring
One of my least favorite theories I've seen is that Elain will leave the Night Court and her family to go to Spring. Even going as far as saying that she will wind up with Tamlin. I don't think Feyre would let her sister wind up with her abuser plain and simple. Nor do I think Elain would fall for her sister's abuser just because he lives in a land of eternal spring and has flowers.
In ACOSF Nesta has this thought:
"Elain would love this place. So many flowers, all in bloom, so much green, *skipped ahead* But Elain... The Spring Court had been made for someone like her." ~ ACOSF pg. 454
While I do believe that Elain would love the Spring Court I do not think she would ever leave her family or friends behind.
"Two half-wraiths she called friends." ~ ACOSF pg. 595
"Cassian kissing Elain's cheek in greeting. *skipped ahead* Amren came next, giving my sister a nod. *skipped ahead* The Mor, with a smacking kiss for either cheek." ~ ACOFAS pg. 105
We also know that the sisters tend to consider one of the brothers friends. Feyre with Cassian, Nesta with Azriel, and I believe Rhys and Elain will also be friends. He seems to like Elain (certainly more than he likes Nesta).
Plus now there is Nyx in the mixture and why would she leave and miss out on her nephew growing up? What about if Nesta becomes pregnant and has a child? So no I do not believe that Elain will leave the Night Court.
Shipping Time
Here is where opinions and feelings may vary and people might not like what I have to say. Just know that these are merely my feelings on a ship. Ship what you want to ship, I am not here to gatekeep. These are merely my feelings on the matter. I'm going to start with the two ships I like: Elain x Azriel and Lucien x Vassa.
Elain Archeron x Azriel
I mentioned this earlier but I've been shipping them since ACOMAF. I saw the potential for them from the moment they began to interact.
"Elain rasped, "Nice to meet you," before hustling after her, the silk skirts of her cobalt dress whispering over the parquet floor." ~ ACOMAF pg. 253
I like the symbolism in this line. Cobalt = Azriel's siphons. Whispering = Azriel's shadows. While it might not be that deep as a writer I like the small things like this in my works. Things that later when you come back to them after something important happens that is a callback to something like this you can go "ooooh that makes sense now, yeah." We also do see other mentions of Elain wearing blue, but this post is long enough and it's only a few more times so I don't think it's worth noting. This part just sticks out to me because it's the first time they're meeting and like I said I love symbolism.
"Elain said to Azriel, perhaps the only two civilized ones here, "Can you truly fly?" ~ ACOMAF pg. 256
Elain who has been taught to fear the Fae is talking to him, also probably leaning around Cassian - who she is seated next to and also has wings - and asking if he can fly.
Azriel responds on the same page saying, "We're born hearing the song of the wind." And her response of, "That's very beautiful." This is the same male who famously said he wouldn't need poetry to woo a woman. Maybe he's not trying to woo her here, but he's trying to impress her.
"Elain, noticing Azriel's ease as proof that things weren't indeed about to go badly offered one (a smile) of her own as well." ~ ACOMAF pg. 258
She seems mighty comfortable with a Fae she just met. Which leads my into my two mate theory that I've had for some time now.
We know the tweet where SJM says that someone can have two mates. This was during a time when one of the TOG novels was about to come out and was probably referencing something in there, but I think it would be interesting to see play out in this situation as well.
We've seen several times people questioning Elain and Lucien's mating bond. Feyre and Azriel both do it. Feyre during ACOWAR and Azriel in his bonus chapter from ACOSF.
We also know that not all mates are happy pairings ie. Rhysand's parents and Tamlin's parents. We also know that sometimes it's based on who would have the strongest offspring. We can see this reflected in both Rhysand and Feyre's mating (he's considered the most powerful High Lord and she has abilities from all seven HLs).
But what if Elain and Lucien aren't true mates? True mates to me is a happily mated pair like Feyre and Rhys as well as Nesta and Cassian. Azriel questions why his brothers were mated to two sisters while the third was mated to another. (Pardon me for not using quotes here, I do not have the bonus chapter so I am going from memory.)
Why indeed? And I think it was because he was on the floor dying at the time. We know that the Cauldron loves Elain, so if her true mate was on the floor dying and there was no guarantee for survival it would make sense for the Cauldron to gift Elain another mating bond.
I will talk more about this in the section where I discuss them as a ship, but I wanted to briefly mention it here.
We also know the scene where Azriel hands over Truth-Teller to her, something that shocks all of them. I think of Truth-Teller like Azriel's security blanket. Something that brings him comfort and he never ever wants to part with it. But he gives it to Elain.
After she was taken by the Cauldron and held captive at Hybern's camp. After she says this:
"She shook her head, devouring the sight of him as if not quite believing it. "You came for me." The shadowsinger only inclined his head." ~ ACOWAR pg. 573
Why did she look only to Azriel? Why did she seem so surprised that he would come for her? Kind of like how a princess might not believe that her prince has come for her. (Love me some Disney princess movies)
To me these two just fit together. And to me they are more like Hades and Persephone than Feyre and Rhysand are. And hear me out: Elain as Persephone, goddess of spring. Azriel as Hades, god of death. (Feyre once calls him Death when thinking of a painting of him and Elain. Death and the lovely fawn she called it). Some might see Azriel and Elain falling in love as stealing her away from her mother (or mate in this case).
Also if you want another mythology reference. Paris (Azriel), Helen (Elain), Menelaus (Lucien). Helen was considered the most beautiful and was stolen away from her husband Menelaus (though I think she went with Paris willingly so there's that.)
I see so many parallels and signs that point toward an Elriel endgame. We know Elain's book is in the works and I'm pretty sure it's next since Sarah has talked about doing research for her book. We also know that Sarah is excited to work with Azriel as well.
Moving on.
Lucien Vanserra x Vassa
I've been shipping them since ACOWAR. So not as long as Elriel, but since a bit. I think this was the line that did it for me:
"Indeed, Vassa still remained inside, chatting with Lucien animatedly. *skipped ahead* Lucien, surprisingly, was chuckling, his shoulders loose and his head angled while he listened." ~ ACOWAR pg. 690
Unlike with Elain, he seems comfortable around Vassa.
"Even with Elain here, he's become close with Jurian and Vassa. He's voluntarily living with them these days, and not just as an emissary. As their friend." ~ ACOSF pg. 57
I'm a sucker for the friends to lovers trope (it only falls after the enemies to lovers trope). And while we do not have a lot on them I can see the two of them being happy. I can see Lucien trying to find a way to make her immortal if that's what she wants. And I just want the two of them finding their HEA together in the final book.
My theory is that Vassa will be the MC of the last book and will deliver the killing blow to Koschei (as she should). I would love to see their journey together and their time together in the mortal lands especially since the mating bond would be severed at this point if Elriel is the book before this one. I want Lucien to be happy and I think that he could be happy with Vassa.
Elain Archeron x Lucien Vanserra
We know that Elain and Lucien are mates. He announced this on page 608 a little bit after Elain had come out of the Cauldron. But these two do not seem to fit together in my opinion. Now please note I have nothing against Elucien, I even like some of the fanart and the theories I have read are wonderful. I'm just personally not a fan of these two because of how they were thrust together.
When comparing Jesiminda and Elain, Lucien says this:
"Elain had been... thrown at him." ACOWAR pg. 249
I know Lucien wants to be happy and I know mates are special, but I don't necessarily think that Elain will be his happiness. I think that the way they met ruined that for them.
"But Elain blinked slowly, "You were in Hybern." *Skipped ahead* "You betrayed us." ACOWAR pg. 250 - 251
Lucien, however willing or unwillingly, did play some part in Elain being turned Fae. He was one of the reasons she could no longer go home or marry Graysen. I don't know if that's something that could be overcome especially since Elain is still dealing with the events of that day.
We also know that Elain tends to avoid him, shrinking in on herself when he's around. Another reason why I can't ship this is because I've been in a similar situation where people were pressuring me to be with someone I had no interest in. I know what it's like to hear "you two are perfect for each other", "you should give him a chance", "just try".
Their relationship is not evolving naturally like Feyre and Rhys's did or Cassian and Nesta's. I don't think Lucien would ever push the mating bond onto Elain, but I do think since it's something special to Fae he may cling to it more than she will.
Another thing about their bond that doesn't sit with me is how it is described.
"It felt... strange," Elain breathed. "Like you pulled on a thread tied to a rib." ACOWAR pg. 301
"There's a bond - it's a real thread," he said, more to himself than us." ACOWAR pg. 301
Other bonds have been described as "so much golden thread" or an "unbreakable chain". But Elain and Lucien's is described as a singular thread that feels as though it were attached to a rib. To me mating bonds are like soulmates, why would that bond be attached to a rib and not the heart or her being?
I believe that once again either the Cauldron created this bond between them or maybe they are not what's considered a "perfect match" like Elain's sisters with their mates are.
I will say this: If Elain and Lucien do wind up together I won't be mad. Sure they are not my preferred ship, but they both deserve happiness and can find it together then good for them. We will just have to wait and see where SJM takes them.
Azriel x Gwyn Berdara
I've lowkey been dreading talking about them because of how toxic this fanwar between Elriels and Gwynriels gets. Once again this is just my opinion and my theories. No hate or shade to any of the shippers. I will not be bashing theories. If you don't want to read my thoughts then please just leave now and pretend you never saw this.
I do not like Azriel and Gwyn as a ship for one very big reason: power imbalance. Azriel saved Gwyn from a highly traumatic experience. Now before I go any further let me say that I brought this up to my mom who also reads the series but isn't a shipper, she just reads them to enjoy them. I asked her what she thought of Az x Gwyn as a pairing and if she would like to see that and she said no that she also felt there would be a power imbalance.
Gwyn is a strong character, but I do not think I could get behind her and Az as a couple because of how they met.
I also do not believe that Gwyn will be the MC of any of the last books there are. We still have Elain's book, possibly a Mor book, or even Vassa. There are too many people from the original trilogy that we need to see books for. While I will not rule out a book in the future I don't see her getting one now.
I know the necklace is a hot button issue, but I also don't believe that Clotho gave it to her. We never hear it mentioned in the main portion of the book and I think Clotho knew how troubled Azriel was and thought that she should hold onto it just in case.
"You're the new ribbon, Az," ~ ACOSF pg. 623
Gwyn is a competitive person, to me this line that Nesta says is here merely telling Az that Gwyn's next challenge would be to prove him wrong about the training course. Nesta knows of Azriel's feelings for her sister by this point, so I don't see this line as her teasing Az about Gwyn possibly having a crush on him.
But again these are just how I interpret things between them.
These are all my thoughts at the moment that I'm going to share. If you would like to have a discussion my ask box is open. Hate will not be tolerated though.
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