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Since I watched The Crow (1994), I've been wondering if I should make an addition to my Vengeance Criteria. In addition to the vengeance being for a damage that is not the avenger's fault, solving an ongoing problem, and fitting the damage done, it should also be carried out against people who actually did the damage.
But shouldn't that go without saying? If the avenger is killing people who had nothing to do with the harm done to them, that's something other than vengeance. The only reason I would even consider adding it is that The Patriot's good guys kill people who have nothing in common with those who harm them apart from being in the same Army. Even their uniforms are different!
The militia: "We've got no smoke with the Green Dragoons who are actually killing civilians. Those Regular bastards guarding supply trains the British need to leave South Carolina and its civilian population, though . . . Fuck those guys! They all deserve to die!"
Obviously, this creates a lot of problems because the Green Dragoons definitely have smoke with them. A lot of it. Look at all the smoke they have!
January Jones's character in Sweetwater (2013), the other avenger of whom I approve, does kill a lot of people who were not directly involved in her husband's murder. However, she does not even know he's dead for quite a while, and it's impossible for her to tell who was or was not involved. She just wipes out Prophet Josiah's whole congregation to have her bases covered. Eric Draven is much more focused in his vengeance. The first three men he kills were all physically in his apartment the night he and Shelly died. He only shows up at the criminal symposium Top Dollar hosts because the fourth man who was in his apartment flees there, and he kills the other criminals in attendance to get to him. When Top Dollar reveals that he was behind the attack on Eric and Shelly's complex, Eric is happy to add him to the list, but killing people without direct culpability is certainly not a priority for him.
Honestly, watching The Crow made me wonder if I even have a problem with revenge narratives at all. I think I've just seen a lot of movies where violence itself is the end goal and vengeance is just a convenient excuse for it.
#the crow 1994#the patriot#sweetwater 2013#revenge narratives#brandon lee#january jones#michael wincott
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SV AU where Shen Yuan transmigrates into a kind of mimicry demon.
He still gets tasked by the System with replacing Shen Qingqiu, except this time he actually has to pull off an imposter role on multiple levels, while the real Shen Qingqiu is stuck in a coma due to his qi deviation. Initially he thinks the situation is going to be temporary -- just take over until he figure out how to get the original goods to wake up -- but Shen Jiu's condition proves to be more difficult to repair than just waiting. Shen Yuan buys special side missions from the System to find items and artifacts to keep Shen Jiu alive, mainly because he doesn't want to be stuck playing this part until Luo Binghe kills him, but also after the first couple of times Shen Jiu regains some consciousness (not enough to leave his bed), Shen Yuan starts to feel kind of... bad for him. Too. Despite everything.
Shen Jiu, of course, is deeply suspicious of this doppelganger that has obviously taken advantage of his weakness to infiltrate the sect and steal his identity. He initially theorizes that the creature must be keeping him alive because it needs some aspect of his vitality in order to keep posing as him, but as they share more encounters is forced to concede that the thing might just be insane? And weirdly softhearted. Over time and by feigning sleep to listen in on Shen Yuan's muttering, he figures out that this all has something to do with Luo Binghe, which he's not pleased about. But he can't deduce what. (Luo Binghe doesn't get to move into the side room in this version of the story, because Shen Yuan has the house on lockdown for obvious reasons, but he does still get to make Shizun's meals!)
Anyway, Shen Jiu doesn't manage to conveniently wake up before the Immortal Alliance Conference. Shen Yuan has to throw Luo Binghe in, which he hates, but along the way he manages to recover that magical flower macguffin that won't work on Without-a-Cure (which he doesn't have in this AU because his species is immune to it), brews a tea that finally fixes Shen Jiu, and then fucks off to go mope about Binghe being in the Abyss.
Shen Jiu doesn't tell anyone about his demonic replacement, for a variety of reasons. One, he's punishing the other peak lords for not figuring it out themselves. Two, he's punishing himself for the fact that a literal demon replaced him for like 3 years and everyone considered it an improvement. Because it was. Three, he has mixed feelings that might potentially amount to not wanting to hunt down and kill Shen Yuan, but he's not admitting that even to himself.
Everyone thinks that Shen Qingqiu's return to asshole form is a result of Luo Binghe dying, and that his sudden new research projects are part of him like, trying to make sense of a senseless tragedy, and coping. But no, he's still trying to figure out why the fuck Luo Binghe was important and why Shen Yuan inserted himself into their lives only to basically just do Shen Qingqiu's job while he was indisposed, and then fuck off the moment Luo Binghe left the picture again.
After... healing Shen Jiu. Also. For some unfathomable reason.
But this version of the System's just happy that the plot is back on track! And surely it will stay back on track. Yes? Problem solved, right? Shen Yuan? Definitely nothing is going to mess with the rest of the story, cough cough, wait why are you visiting User 01, and what would you, a demon shapeshifter, need with a Sun & Dew seed...?
#svsss#scum villain#scum villain's self saving system#shen jiu#shen yuan#luo binghe#shen yuan's got a problem#because he threw luo binghe into the abyss and so even if shen jiu definitely would have done it and is still an asshole#can he really let someone else shoulder the horrible consequences of his own (albeit coerced) actions?#binghe deserves revenge but he won't even be taking revenge on the actual wrong-doer this time!#surely this system won't mind if he just... sticks shen jiu's soul into a new body after the narrative's done with him...?
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A phone call between brothers (takes place AFTER this incident and Fiddleford's phone call)
Sorry if this is OOC!
#mama~ just killed a man~~#<- PLEASE get that reference#anyways- the lipgloss is popping and the girlies are slaying <3 (literally)#psychologically messing with the doomed narrative brothers just for the fucksies and the funsies#as per usual#been planning on this lore drop for a WHILE but got sidetracked- so here it is later than never#A brief insight on how Stan got roped into the whole mess and why Ford is so insistent on bringing Bill back#there's a little more to it like how Bill kinda acted like a parasite in Ford's brain?? and it latched onto his mind until he became#like codependant and INTEGRAL to his brain and whatnot#and then Ford killing him from his mindscape was basically the equivalent of him smashing the load bearing pillar of his mind with a#big ass hammer#sooo it left a GAPING hole where Bill used to be- making Ford believe Bill cursed him or did something to him during his last breaths as#revenge#(which Bill obviously didn't because he was busy DYING- altho it's completely fair of Ford to believe that of Bill- that narsty skank)#so he's trynna bring Bill back to figure that shit out- BUT also ALSO keep in mind that Ford is a leetol bit frazzled atm#he's not in his right mind- so he's making stupid decisions and stupid thoughts#anyways#gravity falls#gravity falls au#stanford pines#ford pines#grunkle ford#stanley pines#stan pines#grunkle stan#bill cipher#my art#my writing#HWINEBHABWNAJCAHOWEEATOWEUB AU#tw graphic descriptions
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🕸️Kirbtober 2024 Day 2: Revenge 🕸️
(ID: Kirby series fanart of Dark Meta Knight and Taranza, the latter looming behind the former with violent intent in his four front-facing eyes, his six hands clenched into shaking fists and curled into claws and raised over his head to conjure a pair of glowing spiderwebs. Meanwhile, the knight stands in blissful ignorance in the foreground, a mug of steaming coffee in one hand, a rolled-up newspaper in the other, glancing off in confusion as a thought bubble over his head reads, “Why do I hear boss music?” END ID.)
Based on the implication from KTD’s Dededetour! that DMK might be responsible for Sectonia’s corruption, indirectly or otherwise.
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Started on 08/30/24, finished on 08/31/24. | Kirbtober 2023 Comp
#veins art#veins fanart#kirby series#kirby#dark meta knight#taranza#kirbtober#kirbtober 2024#day 2#revenge#paintpanic#triple deluxe spoilers#<- (kinda?)#images seen seconds before disaster#you corrupt a guy’s love interest ONE time and he holds it against you forever smh#(for the record… I think the situation is more *complicated* than whatever knee-jerk assumptions Taranza might make in his grief)#(and that the fault lies with both DMK *and* Taranza to some extent…)#(as well as whatever issues Joronia herself might’ve had that the corruption simply exacerbated)#(heck you could even make the argument for Dark Mind being the root cause! his influence on the Mirror lingering even after his demise)#(like I said... complicated. and narratively compelling!)#(we love a little bit of speculation wiggle room in this house)#veinsfullofstars
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maybe a hot take: I don't think there's any act of revenge in all of MDZS that we are meant to take pleasure in
#as a known JGY stan i'll say: yes#even JGS's death#it's great but we're told about the collateral damage for a reason#however it is not worse than the other revenges or judged more by the narrative#even if it is judged more by the characters at least in that moment
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End of Empathy (time for violence)
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#poorly drawn mdzs#mdzs#wei wuxian#lan jingyi#jin ling#lan sizhui#We are back to the present! Honestly I think I'm going to try and truncate the rest of this arc.#I LOVE yi-city and I really appreciate all of the support the yi-city lovers have given me. And the patience of those who aren't.#But it's been two months. And I need to move this along </3#Anyways; I love the start of ep 3 so much. The worried concern of the juniors is so cute#but the crown jewel by far is wwx responding like a parent that's very hungover but trying so hard to be nice about it#like 'shhh shhhh guys hi I'm up now. Can you keep the volume down. Can you get me some water and my sunglasses from the glovebox.'#and of course the incredible wham line of 'Xue Yang Must Die.'#'Is YX irredeemable? I'm pro 'everyone is capable of change and deserves a chance.' So Im of the camp of 'if he had the opportunity...maybe#The issue is that this setting has no structure to provide those opportunities. You are perceived as a threat therefor you must die#XY is a very interesting parallel to the YLLZ because they both meet the same fate: outsiders determining that they need to be killed#plus both did war crimes. I know it's easy to forget the YLLZ actually did do some of the things he was accused of (most wrong)#but wwx also has blood on his hands. He also sought revenge in pretty twisted ways. Both were given opportunities to step away and refused#The difference is that we empathize with and like XXC & SL and A-Qing. The Narrative says they were wronged and that is an injustice.'
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My haitani father Shio headcanon is just a bit too funny cuz of how well it works that it sounds like a waste of perfect canon idea and crossover for both of wakui's works.
Aside from the obvious physical features very very obvious, identical eyes, nose, blonde eyebrows, rindou's face form, ran's hair color palette and (arguably) bonten hair style, blah blah i mean just look a the pictures below, you can also bring up any fact from either manga and add it to the hc and it fits in just SO WELL, i'll give the first example, The Haitanis are very obviously rich spoiled kids like have you seen their apartment? They have a fucking dj set, only rich kids with neglective powerful parents will have no problem paying for that, just saying, and even though i love him let's be real Shio is the type to be that parent, i mean cmon he's rich like crazy rich (filthy yakuza money yum yum) he tots would give his children WAY more than enough allowance so they can leave him alone, also the way they act, i've always the Haitanis were the type of kids that think they own the school cuz their dad is rich .
Nvm if this never becomes canon or both universes don't collide, it's just so entertaining to keep connecting the dots that were likely never there, like how Rindou is a heavy drinker cuz his father drank alot with the rest of the Yotsurugis and he tried to imitate him from a young age that it became an unhealthy habit or if you want to add more drama he only drinks cuz he looks up to his father but Shio favors Ran cuz he can posssibly succeed him (canon power complex) so Rindou resorted to drinking cuz it's the only thing like his dad that he can do. Heck yeah i made it angsty!!!
You can also add great context to his fear of Yakuza, picture this, when he was a kid he got up in the middle of night after hearing a loud noise to search for his parents and witnessed Shio (canon Yakuza) pew pew-ing some poeple and surrounded with scary men, that probably scarred him for life that he was so terrified when Kakucho got them interfering with some, OH OH something just came to mind, if he's the son of a yakuza yeah he didn't wanna clash with other yakuza families cuz it can end in a blood shed and risk his and his family's lives.
And i'm gonna add this one not very small detail and i swear i'll shut up (for now), i know it's just a stupid headcanon that is very far from becoming reality and i don't have to take it this deep but hear me out, why their last name is Haitani and not Yotsurugi like their dad, Shio is powerful and have many enemies right ? So he simply decided to protect his children and their identity by giving them another last name likely their mother's (yk like minato with naruto style plan ?) So Haitani is actually their mom's family name. I rest my case. Thank you for coming to my useless ted talk.
#i officially announce i have gone crazy#this is like my new hyperfixation until i find a better headcanon that is more likely to be canon#actually you should all thank me#i just made up a way for the haitanis to be useful for once in their lives#kinda#i mean we already established they bring absolutely nothing to the table#we don't have to go through that again#let's put it in a simple equation#tokrev plot - haitanis = no big difference#but Shio on the other hand is the main antagonist so far sooooo#in my logic by relation they are sort of useful in some way (through nepotism)#i saved the narrative you're welcome#also an addition no one asked for or thought about ran is their dad's favourite but loves his mom more#while Rindou is mama's boy (yk how moms prefer the youngest) but looks up to his dad#speaking of their mom i think she's like from another powerful family#and based on shio doing anything to gain more power that's probably why he married their mom in the first place#OMG ARRANGED MARRIAGE WITH SHIO IS INVADING MY HEAD AFTER I THOUGHT ABOUT IT FOR A SPLIT SECOND#WRITERS IF YOU'RE SEEING THIS PLLLLSSSSSS#oh and apparently Shio is also in Roppongi so that's that.#i really took calling him daddy shio to a whole other level lol#tokyo revengers#ran haitani#rindou haitani#negai no astro#astro royale#haitani brothers#shio yotsurugi#i'm gonna call my new masterpiece of a shitty hc#the wakui multiverse of madness
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tbh it is incredible how compelling bingge and shen jiu are considering they're characters who ceased to exist as soon as the novel began
#svsss#they're so fascinating to me....#the way the cycle of abuse plays out between them#that post about characters who don't deal with their trauma#whose trauma makes them mean and hateful and unpleasant#that's shen jiu#his trauma and abuse turned him into a monster#and then he turned around and did the same thing to binghe#turning him into the monster that would ultimately kill him#he is the monster shen jiu created#the way they parallel each other is so fascinating to me#people who were kicked and beaten and unloved#and the moment they got some power they took violent revenge on the people who hurt them#they used a pile of bodies to climb to the top#but it wasn't fulfilling once they got there#they were still hollow and hateful and unloved#ough. augh. coughs up blood#thinks about the bingge extra and the shen jiu extra and has to go lie down for a while#AND THEY'RE NOT EVEN IN THE GODDAMN MAIN NOVEL#i mean bingge is for one (1) extremely graphic scene#but shen jiu is fucking dead and gone the moment shen yuan appears#and yet they're SO complex and compelling#because of how they haunt the narrative#and how they are the ugly shadows that trail behind our main characters
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My problem with The Dragon Prince is that while it preaches about "breaking the cycle" and "choosing love", it repeatedly does so in a way that echoes the age-old idea of telling victims to passively accept their lot in life and the injustices inflicted upon them while their perpetrators never have to acknowledge their wrongs or face consequences for their actions. This is the kind of narrative they follow on both a personal and systematic axis, and it's exactly why the show will always frustrate me.
#oh also their hero-centered morality is blatant and exhausting#if you disagree pls don't interact on this post. I'm genuinely happy you have a different interpretation but I have no energy to argue.#tdp critical#anti tdp#this is so painfully obvious in the way they depict Viren and Claudia and even Ziard in that flashback#I am also...very concerned with how they're going to deal with Aaravos#currently I'm baffled at the way his justified anger and desire for revenge against Sol Regem for Leola's murder#is being framed as a Bad thing by the narrative via its moral mouthpiece Terry#Like hello? The Cosmic Order murdered his 8-year-old daughter to enforce their bigoted hierarchies of the world with violence.#Whatever you think about his methods being extreme and what he deems collateral damage being unjust is another thing altogether#But basic idea of him wanting revenge against the Cosmic Order and Sol Regem is perfectly justified in itself imho?
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One of the biggest arguments I’ve seen used by the Ob*d*l*s against Anidala, is that scene in the ROTS novel where Padmé says she could trust OW with the secret of the rebellion and was hesitant to tell Anakin and I just wanna say:
Padmé wasn't an idiot. She was an extremely intelligent and competent woman, perfectly able to understand that loving Anakin and thinking that he could be trusted with a certain politic-related matter were two very different things and reducing her choice regarding who to trust with an important political matter only on the basis of her feelings of romantic love diminishes her professionalism, and this is why I say y'all could never understand her.
Padmé didn’t have to "love" OW or even like him at all to know he was the perfect Jedi to ask for help in a secret political matter.
That's the point being made in the novel, she’s hit with the realization that Anakin in this particular moment could not be told this piece of info because of his relationship with Palpatine, and Padmé specifically mentions in the Junior ROTS novel that she didn't want to make Anakin “keep a secret” if he didn’t agree with their stance because it’d be “unfair.” So this also played a part in why Padmé didn’t think it best to inform Anakin about the Rebellion. It honestly had little to do with her actually lacking trust in him, and more to do with the circumstances she was in not allowing her to be open with her husband and her not wanting to make him choose between his wife and his “father figure.”
However, Padmé knows OW’s political ideas aren't tied to ONE particular person but to a philosophy, one which is closer to her own, at that point. None of this was ever meant to be hinted as “romantic” or even remotely insinuated as romantic. It’s strictly professional and even the tone of the scene makes that so abundantly clear.
All I’m saying is that, some of these proshippers are doing the most out here to try and prove their ship, like my loves? You forgot a very important thing called ✨ context ✨ and regardless of her rational thinking, Padmé still went out of her way to try and talk out all of this Rebellion secrecy stuff with Anakin when she confronted him in the scene where she asks if he ever thought they were “fighting on the wrong side.” Padmé didn’t trust OW in the same way she trusted Anakin (with her entire self and being) she had the level of trust and love for Anakin that was only meant for him.
Mixing up her unwavering faith in Anakin as her husband with her trust in OW’s devotion to duty as her comrade/ally is purposely deluding yourself, because the two aren’t the same and therefore can’t be compared. An example of this is: Padmé constantly putting more value to Anakin’s words over OW’s in the end of ROTS when he came to tell her of Anakin’s “crimes”. She completely disregarded what OW had claimed about her husband and instead made her way to where Anakin was herself, to ask him directly. Despite what the truth was, this is proof of her trusting Anakin unconditionally, and I didn’t even think I had to spell that out because it’s as clear as day.
In conclusion, Padmé didn’t trust OW more than Anakin, she just knew the circumstances she was in didn’t exactly make it easy for her to openly talk with her husband about these matters and that’s part of what played into the issues they had in ROTS, it’s exactly what Sidious wanted.
#star wars#anidala#anakin skywalker#padmé amidala#sw novels#revenge of the sith novelization#revenge of the sith junior novelization#avoiding tagging and using full character names because I don’t wanna attract those weirdos on my post#haters dni#anti ob****d*la#i’ve seen shippers claim that ow and padme would make a better couple simply because they both value duty and share some of the same ideals#even though padmé’s strong sense of duty doesn’t define her personal identity#she’s always wanted to leave behind her responsibilities to live a simple happy life with her husband#she stays out duty and care for peace and justice in the galaxy#which is actually a trait she shared with anakin not ow#anakin is loyal and dutiful because he cares about helping people and that’s padmé’s aim too#ow stays to help people because of his devotion to the jedi#that’s not the same#saying she’d be more compatible with ow is like the punchline of a bad joke#in every way padmé shares more in common with anakin when it comes to the core of her personality#and relationships aren’t built off sharing ideals mind you#it’s about connecting and sharing core values which is what anakin and padmé always had#there’s a reasons why padmé and ow argued a lot in wild space#padmé says the one thing her and ow can agree on is loving anakin otherwise their mindsets clash way too much#compatible? never in a million years.#padmé herself disagrees#and apart from the fact that canonically padmé never shows romantic interest in him#nor does the narrative include ow as one of padmé’s love interests…#holy god my tags deserve their own posts
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i hope that if VAL kills carson she doesn't turn him into her mother like her other victims, because he's already hateful enough as it is
#🐉#i feel like she might not get to kill him or if she does it wont bring her the satisfaction shes after#because tsv isnt generally that straightfoward when it comes to cycles of violence and narratives of revenge#but a guy can hope#VAL thesiltverses#the silt verses
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i hope ruby gets a well-that’s-alright-then-style notdeath. on the one hand it will make haters mad because oh no not another companion with an impermanent end (and i like to see haters mad) on the other it would require creativity to depict this in a new way + i love all the implications i love the dark fairytale quality of these companion exits i love my un-undead schrodinger’s women
with the way the legend of ruby sunday is titled… legends aren’t usually told about living people. legends are stories of the bygone past, of an age long since over, fictionalised and overgrown with folklore like barnacles sticking to an abandoned shell. there is such a thing as a living legend, but they’re exceedingly rare. the unmistakeable raven’s call in the 73 yards teaser, the trailer’s cut to fifteen crying alone after promising to cherry he’d protect her daughter… the foreshadowing is clear as day…
and yet. there’s one massive HOWEVER. ruby appears in s15: millie’s been spotted on set filming it. which leads me to believe — the doctor isn’t one to take the time travel route and revisit companions that in his future are genuinely dead. that would hurt too much, it would cause unnecessary trauma and could break the timeline. that must mean ruby stays alive in some way. ish. she’s alive and a legend and a mystery. girl-ballad girl-song girl-paradox
here she is, fading out.
p.s.: thesis statement on moffatgirls from the tags i left on somebody else’s post about charley pollard.. well it belongs here since it’s basically the semiotic hurricane swirling around ruby at the moment :)
#on a personal level what interests me about these characters is precisely what gets them labeled as being subject to#misogynistic writing by pop-feminist video-essayists. as an autistic girl* (*ish) however; i find female characters that#aren’t quite ‘normal people’; women who represent an idea or concept or are a puzzle to be solved or a manic pixie dream girl to be#more and in a way far more interesting than a girl-next-door-type universally relatable protagonist#they make for more nuanced stories with more symbolism and more layers of interpretation usually. why should there be realism in a#fantastical narrative? similarly i like characters that are haunting the narrative or dead before it began (big locked tomb fan if you#didn’t know) and like. not to be tvtropes but the lost lenore archetype. dead woman who spurs the hero on to recklessness or revenge.#i identify with that dead girl. the laura palmers of the world. set the story in motion without#necessarily having agency. maybe it’s something to do with my#constant background radiation of passive suicidality. in a fun whimsical way :) i would never kill myself but i don’t want to be a real#person. i want to be objectified but not necessarily in a k*nky s*xual way (that too) in a princess in a tower way#the ultimate femme fantasy innit? there’s something about it. hashtag problematic hashtag conforming to gender roles#10000 tags be upon ye#ruby sunday#millie gibson#doctor who#dw#steven moffat#clara oswald#fifteen#fifteenth doctor#twelveclara#amy pond#charley pollard#river song#donna noble#ncuti gatwa#doctor who meta#jamie.txt#haunting
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revenge is actually dope as hell the only issue is that you have to have some idea of what you wanna do afterwards and like, probably a support network too. cuz otherwise you'll be lost after devoting yourself entirely to it, but that's not an issue that *only* happens with revenge so idk why people act like it is.
#nnstuff#rambling#not necessarily about monkey man idk how this movies gonna go#i jsut think about this a lot when it comes to 'revenge bad' narratives#like idk. maybe revenge a little good.
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percy are you seriously gonna fall for the same trick that you just pulled on anna?? it's been like ten minutes.
#SHE IS YOUR DARK REFLECTION! SHE IS YOUR NARRATIVE FOIL ABOUT REVENGE AND INNOVATION AT ALL COSTS!#this moron can't see narrative parallels�� this is what you get for being a stem freak who only studies engineering#the legend of vox machina#dr anna ripley#percy de rolo#percival fredrickstein von musel klossowski de rolo iii#aj watches vox machina#aj watches
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DOOMED-BY-THE-NARRATiVE GAY ; for gays who are/consider themselves and their partner to be doomed by the narrative, or gays who enjoy the ‘doomed by the narrative’ trope
DOOMED-BY-THE-NARRATiVE LESBiAN ; for lesbians who are/consider themselves and their partner to be doomed by the narrative, or lesbians who enjoy the ‘doomed by the narrative’ trope
🦇 ——— COINED BY ME
[ PT: doomed-by-the-narrative gay; for gays who are/consider themselves and their partner to be doomed by the narrative, or gays who enjoy the ‘doomed by the narrative’ trope
doomed-by-the-narrative lesbian; for lesbians who are/consider themselves and their partner to be doomed by the narrative, or lesbians who enjoy the ‘doomed by the narrative’ trope
coined by me / END PT]
#— jacks smirking revenge#mogai#mogai flag#mogai term#mogai coining#lesbian#lesbian flag#wlw#wlw flag#gay#gay flag#mlm#mlm flag#doomed by the narrative#doomed by the narrative gay#doomed by the narrative lesbian
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okay im still on my rat grinders/kipperlilly redemption arc bullshit tho. like, jace and porter have been evil since freshman year, they targeted those kids, manipulated them and promised them easy leveling.
plus, brennan makes it very clear that the rat grinders only became obsessed with revenge after they were brought back wrong. when the bad kids find jace's texts about not antagonizing them, brennan makes it clear that all those texts came after spring break.
my question is: did the rat grinders know they'd be killed? did they agree to it? ruben, in his puka shell necklace, was scared when he went to the clearing. when he went to his death. they've essentially formed a cult dedicated to their teacher who has heretical goddamn aspirations. how high control is the group? who's the leader among the rat grinders themselves? i still have so many questionssss
#look. the rat grinders evil plan being so incredibly complicated and dramatic has only made me love them more ngl#like you give me??? noted jason todd apologist a came back wrong narrative?? and i am going to go insane about it#this last episode..... ough#like are the rat grinders to some extent looking for revenge because oisin had a connection to kalvaxus?#did oisin notice manipulate kipperlilly's outlook on the situation because she already thought things were unfair#like no no we don't hate them because they killed the friend of my great great great grandma#we hate them because they had an unfair advantage in that fight?#ugh i don't knowwww but specifically ivy and oisin feel like shit stirrers to me at this point#i just. NEED to know their dynamics#it feels like kipperlilly's 'in charge' but oisin and ivy are pulling the strings#rat grinders#fhjy spoilers#fantasy high junior year#kipperlilly copperkettle#oisin hakinvar#ruben hopclap
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