#really Hector

[dokokara]

heartwarming! these two fifty year olds can't hold a conversation to save their lives

[somepinkthing]

"Hector was a good man" "diomedes was an honorable man" BZZZT WRONG. Diomedes was there to steal, burn, and wage war same as the next person. In fact, he was pretty adamant about it. Hector had no issue with the greek's actions, merely that they were directed at him—I mean look at what he wanted to do with patroclus's body, only to then cite respect for funeral rites when it was his own turn to die. Hector also owned slaves within his own city walls—people that he likely took from their homes during troy's own conquests. All that seperated him and the greek warriors was which side they were on.

The Iliad isn't a story about morally upstanding men. Sure, it has men who have honor and perform honorable acts, but these are not good samaritans. It's is a story about war and grief and the real victims of fights between so-called-honorable men and gods. The urge to find a "good guy" in this story is wasted. Hector doesn't have to be morally good just because achilles isn't. Troy didn't lose because they were more or less evil than the greeks. It all just. Is. Because of fate? Because the gods said so? Because people will always make disastrous mistakes and it will always end up biting not only them, but everyone else around them? Who knows? In the end though, doesn't it all feel so pointless in the face of the endless amounts of grief and destruction that war leaves behind? Maybe that's the whole point

[logicpng]

this whole "turning over a new leaf" thing might end up a shockingly uphill battle

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[sneakydraws]

Watching over you

[chelathy]

Hector and Paris' dynamic is one of my faves, their deal is so fun realest big brother little brother ever

[pespillo]

someone will have to order take-out again

[elifinchsart]

they cant do anything normally

[spineless-lobster]

IM NOT GONNA CRY IM NOT GONNA CRY IM NOT GONNA CRY IM NOT GONNA CRY IM NOT GONNA CRY IM NOT GONNA CRY IM NOT GONNA CRY IM NOT GONNA CRY IM NOT-

[loopyn3]

Like an Angel with cruel and merciless intent

[baejax-the-great]

Really have to assume that anyone saying hector didn't deserve to die the way he did didn't actually read the Iliad

[ikram1909]

Gavi bullying Héctor 😭😭😭

[weepingalaxy]

A PERFECT STRIKE TO FIX THE HORROR ON YOUR FACE!

[sharkie-chaos]

I think the Iliad does a splendid job of showcasing the humanity in war. I mean this as a sense of people being people, there are no ‘good guys.’ It’s clear that everyone has a life, and everyone has something to lose. Before his death, Pandarus talks of his home, and the regrets he has about the horses, and breaking the truce. He clearly regrets what he did. Another scene is with Diomedes and Glaucus, where they both realize their families were once friendly with each other, and refuse to fight one another, with Diomedes even putting his spear down. Not to mention the scene of Hector playing with his son, where Astyanax gets scared by his father’s armor. The scene ends with Hector even hoping his son turns out to be more skilled than himself. Probably a little silly for me to point out something so obvious, but I needed to ramble about it (my friends and family are very tired of me talking about this book) ALSO DID YOU KNOW PRIAM APPARENTLY HAD 100 KIDS??? BECAUSE I DIDN’T.

[mytho-maniac-108]

Wikipedia tells me one of the meanings of the name Andromache is "man-battler".

Andromache is named such that she fights against men. All the men in her family get killed. Her father, her brothers, her husband and even her son. IIRC, in contrast, her mother lives and dies naturally at her father's house. With the exception of Astynax, all the men are killed by Achilles.

I'M TEARING MY HAIR OUT!!!

Homer. Homer I'm shaking you by the shoulders. WHY DOES ANDROMACHE NOT KILL ANYONE WHYYYY??? SUCH HARDSHIP FOR MY GIRL AND SHE CAN'T EVEN KILL PEOPLE IN A WAR??? SHE SHOULD'VE BEEN ALLOWED TO STRANGLE ACHILLES!!!

[pseudophan]

only notice i care about

[sarafangirlart]

Honestly every time I see the Greeks portrayed as feeling bad for all the war crimes they’ve done in Troy it reminds me of this: