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Me r@pist just got out of prison⌠and they are now making me see him again when i go to court for my restraining order. Iâm physically sick at the thought of seeing my dad again.
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because the Melanie Martinez allegations are resurfacingâŚ
DISCLAIMER BECAUSE ALL OF YOU FUCKING MEL SUPPORTERS REFUSE TO READ TILL THE END! I DONT THINK TIMOTHY IS A GOOD PERSON! SHES A RACIST AND HAS SOME ALLEGATIONS AGAINST HER, BUT NONE OF THIS MAKES MEL INNOCENT OR JUSTIFIED
Friendly reminder that:
-Melâs first response was to say âTimothy never said noâ, but then changed the story to ânothing happenedâ
-Timothy picked out the game, but didnât consent to do anything farther
-Timothy only said it was that date because she was looking at the date of a photo which she saved in her camera roll multiple times
-Timothy has nothing to gain from making these allegations again, especially after they ruined her life the first time
-The crybabies hacked Timothy, doxxed her, sent hate, and Melanie thanked them
-Timothy never actually accused anyone else of doing anything, the posts were fabricated
-Timothy wasnât the only one who made allegations against her
-By saying Timothy is lying because she messed up the date or didnât give all of the details when she first made the accusations (left out the part about the games) youâre invalidating many, many other victims. -By siding with Melanie youâre telling every survivor in your life that youâre willing to side with the person who assaulted them if you know of the other person if they leave out any part of the story, donât remember something correctly, etc.
If you support Melanie, get tf off of this blog. Our stance has never changed once since the allegations came out. As soon as Melanie said âshe never said noâ that shouldâve been enough for you. (not to say Timothy is a good person, as she apparently has allegations against her, and is racist)
#melanie martinez#timothy heller#sa#rape/noncon#endos dni#endos fuck off#anti endo#autistic system#weird#allegations#accusations#assault#believe victims#controversy#ramble#fuck Melanie martinez#crybaby#melanie k12#idk what to tag this as
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something happened in my brain, and now u have to watch it
#armand#astarion#amc iwtv#but it's weird that it happened twice#amc interview with the vampire#I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot#iwtv fanart#interview with the vampire#baldur's gate 3#bg3#vampire armand#aliasmardart#If I had a nickel for every time I fell in love with a sensitive âevilâ vampire who was raped by his âmasterâ and has a lot of trust issues#I'd have two nickels. which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice
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Odysseus was afraid the entire year on Aeaea in the Odyssey.
Content warnings: Rape, Sexual Coercion, Sexual assault, Sex Work, power dynamics, this will also be long as fuck as I talk too much. This is NOT a "Circe the Goddess Hate Post". I call her out but that's it. I tried to keep this neutral but still making a point (Let me know if I gotta put more)
Lots of lovely folks on here have written great essays on what Calypso did to Odysseus as it's soooo blatantly obvious there. It literally states how he cried every day and how he flinched from Calypso, very straightforward on how he was explicitly raped.
But I've noticed that a lot of people are always iffy about Circe's situation (understandably so, it's not so in your face.) She's usually always mentioned in the "Odysseus never cheated! He was raped!" posts but then the evidence is only ever given against Calypso, and then mentioning how you can't say no or disobey the orders of an immortal and how it was in exchange for freeing his men.
WHICH IS ALL CORRECT!!! But!!!
There ARE immortal/mortal couples who genuinely love each other. Dionysus and Ariadne, and Eros and Psyche are examples. Apollo and Hyacinthus. Psyche indeed becomes immortal eventually and in some versions, both Hyacinthus and Ariadne do too. But even while mortal themselves, their immortal lovers still remained respectful and loving towards them and definitely doted on them. There are definitely power dynamics at play here but there's some nuance.
Odysseus and Circe's relationship, however, is very different. We all know he slept with her at the very least once. And that was in exchange for his men being returned to humans. That was the only time it was explicitly stated. With Calypso, it tells you every night he was enchanted and slept beside her. It was the narrator speaking but Odysseus is the narrator now and it's his story. If you think he lied, this probably won't change your mind anyway.
But even if it was a one-time thing, (which isn't the only interpretation and I will have points that talk about others) then why did he stay a year? What was he doing?
I'm doing a deep dive into the year he spent on Aeaea based on evidence in Book 10 and then the beginning of Book 12. Step by step, and honestly I'm writing this for Tumblr, not as a thesis so I will be a bit more casual but still using sources. To me, it's very obvious that he was uncomfortable throughout the text simply based on the language that is used. But it's very subtle and not an outright statement of "He's been crying every day."
BTW, just so we're clear, this is not a "Circe is the root of all evil, etc." type of post.
This isn't meant to villainize her. She's an immortal being and in mythology that changes things. Everybody is morally gray. I genuinely think if we were to ask her feelings on it, she'd probably be like "Oh, yeah! Turned his men into pigs! Strange little man he was." I don't think she gave a flying fuck.
I just simply get pissed tf off when people think Odysseus was fine. It honestly disturbs me how often I'll go on other websites YouTube and see everyone call him a whore and a womanizer. It's sexism at its finest because 1.) "MaN AlwAyS wAnTs sEx" and 2.) women can't rape/coerce. THIS IS SIMPLY TO LOOK INTO HIS FEELINGS ABOUT IT.
This is also only for Homer's Odyssey, using different translations. If you want to discuss this, (I'd be happy to! Just be nice!) DON'T BRING UP ANY OTHER WORKS.
With all that out of the way, come yell with me đ¤
I've read multiple translations, as I know there's going to be bias depending on who's translating. And having done so, each one has basically the same situations described the same so that's nice for consistency. Also, there are some parts in the story that are vague and that we'll never have answers to.
Odysseus first simply sees the smoke from her chimney and then sends his men in, after drawing lots Eurylochus leads half of the men to check out the house. I mentioned here vaguely how the 2 immortals he sleeps with are both introduced while singing and weaving, which could be seen as an enchantment (which to me is most likely. They both possess magic and are goddesses). So I'm just gonna move past that. Just take a peek and come back or just know that enchantment was likely.
Next, I'll see people often joke on Tumblr about how
"Odysseus says that Polites is his best friend yet only mentions him once!"
I think Odysseus mentions his best friend, the one to jubilantly go in first, to show WHY he would go through with this. How much these comrades mean to him. That's his best friend, and there are approximately 20 others who are now pigs as well. Could you knowingly leave one of your best friends to live a life like that knowing you could've done something?
[...]Circeâand deep inside they heard her singing, lifting her spellbinding voice as she glided back and forth at her great immortal loom, her enchanting web a shimmering glory only goddesses can weave. Polites, captain of armies, took command, the closest, most devoted man I had: âFriends, thereâs someone inside, plying a great loom, and how she singsâenthralling! The whole house is echoing to her song. Goddess or womanâletâs call out to her now!â So he urged and the men called out and hailed her. She opened her gleaming doors at once and stepped forth, inviting them all in, and in they went, all innocence.
(Fagles, Book 10)
In the Odyssey, it's never mentioned why she turns people into animals. I think they were turned into pigs because, throughout the Iliad and Odyssey, Odysseus is often associated with boars. His men are associated with him, therefore: đ Piggy. From what we know, the lads were just eating her food. With how much Xenia and hospitality are a large part of the story, they probably thought they were safe. They were GUESTS. This is especially welcome after the Cyclops and the Laestrygonians. And it literally says "All innocence". They were simply naive.
Then Eurylochus runs back, so terrified that he couldn't speak at first. He then begs Odysseus to just leave the men behind. Odysseus has shown that he does TRY to save his men when it is truly not reckless to do so.
But I shot back, âEurylochus, stay right here, eating, drinking, safe by the black ship. I must be off. Necessity drives me on.â
(Fagles, Book 10)
Then the famous warning from Hermes. I've seen folks bring this up when talking about this. YES, he is literally commanded by Hermes to not refuse her if he wants his men back in basically every translation. It sounds like Circe was warned as well. When? We don't know, but it sounds like Hermes didn't pick "sides" here.
Strange that he was still like, "Sleep with each other" to both, because he could've been like, "Circe, there's this guy named Odysseus. When he comes to this island, change his men back." But who knows, maybe it was Circe's idea from the beginning and Hermes went along with it. Just food for thought.
Now hereâs your plan of action, step by step. The moment Circe strikes with her long thin wand, you draw your sharp sword sheathed at your hip and rush her fast as if to run her through! Sheâll cower in fear and coax you to her bedâ but donât refuse the goddessâ bed, not then, not if sheâs to release your friends and treat you well yourself. But have her swear the binding oath of the blessed gods sheâll never plot some new intrigue to harm you, once you lie there nakedâ never unman you, strip away your courage!â
(Fagles, Book 10)
But that doesn't explain why he was there for a year afterward! Nor if he himself was okay with it, which is what I'm trying to delve into as he wasn't.
Also the knife thing? She's still immortal. It was meant to startle her. Her dad is Helios. Odysseus would've been toast, literally.
Also note this exchange wasn't a "Yippee! Hermes says I'm going to get laid!".
...just approaching the halls of Circe, my heart a heaving storm at every step, paused at her doors, the nymph with lovely braidsâ I stood and shouted to her there. She heard my voice, she opened the gleaming doors at once and stepped forth, inviting me in, and in I went, all anguish now âŚ
(Fagles, Book 10)
Another translation by Ian Johnston, (they all say the same thing essentially but trying to make a point.)
I continued on to Circeâs home. As I moved on, my heart was turning over many gloomy thoughts. After I had walked up to the gateway                        of fair-haired Circeâs house, I just stood there and gave a shout. The goddess heard my voice.            She came out at once, opened her bright doors, and invited me inside. I entered, heart full of misgivings.
HEđWASđSCARED! The tone is solemn and suspenseful. He was just told that without Hermes' help with the root, he wouldn't be able to survive and bring back his men. Circe was dangerous.
He made her swear not to harm him.
Straightaway she began to swear the oath that I requiredânever, sheâd never do me harmâand when sheâd finished, then, at last, I mounted Circeâs gorgeous bed âŚ
(Fagles, Book 10)
Please note that she NEVER promised that to his men. His comrades did NOT have moli in their systems. He had no way of truly ensuring their safety in any way from Circe.
He then refuses to eat or speak, literally "lost in grim forebodings". If he "just got laid", then why isn't he happy? Not many men can say that a goddess CHOSE to have sex with them. He did it to get his men turned back. It was an exchange. I don't think Circe is "Evil" so maybe it slipped her mind. Or yes, she could've thought, "Hey, I got what I wanted. He's handsome enough. Homer never shuts up about how hot this guy is He hasn't brought up the pigs yet. I'll just let this play out. Maybe HE forgot. I don't have to do anything." We don't know. But Odysseus probably felt like he got deceived.
"Hey, I did my part of the deal. I slept with you. Now do yours."
She pressed me to eat. I had no taste for food. I just sat there, mind wandering, far away ⌠lost in grim forebodings. As soon as Circe saw me, huddled, not touching my food, immersed in sorrow, she sidled near with a coaxing, winged word: âOdysseus, why just sit there, struck dumb, eating your heart out, not touching food or drink? Suspect me of still more treachery? Nothing to fear. Havenât I just sworn my solemn, binding oath?â
So she asked, but I protested, âCirceâ how could any man in his right mind endure the taste of food and drink before heâd freed his comrades-in-arms and looked them in the eyes? If you, you really want me to eat and drink, set them free, all my beloved comradesâ let me feast my eyes.â So I demanded.
(Fagles, Book 10)
He doesn't trust her despite what she had told him that he should when they sleep together. He has figured out that while she will not hurt him, his men were not a part of that oath, the men he was trying to protect in the first place.
She is then moved by how they rejoice when they see one another again. While turning people into animals for funsies isn't cool and coercion is fucked up, I think she comes to see this group as not quite friends but I think she did find them entertaining in a way.
This is very strange but I've seen some folks say that since Odysseus was pissed at Eurylochus for still not believing him about Circe is proof that "Oh he was trying to defend her!". Which??? Uh, Eurylochus was literally questioning his leadership as a whole. Calling him reckless and shit. He is captain and he's the King, he can't let that shit slide. The text literally says "Mutinous". Also if I had to sleep with someone I did not want to especially if it was to save my friends and I got called names afterward I'd get fucking pissed too.
Only Eurylochus tried to hold my shipmates back, his mutinous outburst aimed at one and all: âPoor fools, where are we running now? Why are we tempting fate?â why stumble blindly down to Circeâs halls? Sheâll turn us all into pigs or wolves or lions made to guard that palace of hersâby force, I tell youâ just as the Cyclops trapped our comrades in his lair with hotheaded Odysseus right beside them allâ thanks to this manâs rashness they died too!
They stay a year. Again it's never stated that Odysseus slept with her that whole time. You could interpret that. (Honestly, I feel Circe would get bored with him? She's a goddess, she's got more important matters than mortal men. And she definitely doesn't love him.)
His men DO have to bring it up that "Odysseus has forgotten his native land." Maybe they thought they could sneak out without her knowing??? I am fucking REACHING but hold on as Telemachus did because he knew Nestor would well, be Nestor and try to coax him with "Have a meal with us! Let me tell you about how badass I used to be in my youth." But to sneak away from a goddess? Without her permission? That won't end too well. Aeolus in the beginning kicked out Odysseus when he tried to ask for another bag of wind. If she didn't want him around, she could literally boot him out. While she didn't force him to stay like Calypso did, she didn't "release" him either.
We don't know if they've been asking for a long time. Odysseus does say to Circe that they have been begging him nonstop, but he could also be saying that to try and convince her. He's good at persuasion. I think while he knew he could rely on her for food, shelter, and good advice, he still didn't feel...SAFE with her. I think he was possibly avoiding her personally.
I think HOW he asks her to leave is important to know as well.
...but I went up to that luxurious bed of Circeâs, hugged her by the knees and the goddess heard my winging supplication: âCirce, now make good a promise you gave me onceâ itâs time to help me home. My heart longs to be home, my comradesâ hearts as well. They wear me down, pleading with me whenever youâre away.â
(Fagles, Book 10)
Throughout all of Homer's works, the characters grasp another's knees when they are desperate and are literally at the other person's mercy. Priam did when begging Achilles for Hector's body back. The man who literally killed his son and was defiling his body by dragging it around. Leodes grabs Odysseus' knees to beg for his life before Ody kills him. If he saw her as a friend, and not a captor, WHY DID HE FEEL THE NEED TO BEG IN ORDER TO LEAVE?! No one, who is in a healthy relationship, has to BEG for permission to leave. Or to "Break up", if you interpret them as still sleeping together.
And even Circe acknowledges that he is there against his will!
âRoyal son of Laertes, Odysseus, old campaigner, stay on no more in my house against your will.
(Fagles, Book 10)
[...]Odysseus, man of many resources, scion of Zeus, son of Laertes, donât stay here a moment longer against your will
(A.S. Kline, Book 10)
This is probably another reach that you can ignore but the whole "they wear me down", could be trying to appease her. "Look, you're REALLY cool, it's actually my crew that wants to leave hahahah please don't kill them"
I mentioned before how Telemachus snuck away from Nestor but that was simply out of necessity because he needed to go home now. Not rest for the night. NOW. Nestor is just everyone's grandpa. Menelaus kind of talked more but Telemachus is very straight up in "Please I have to go now" and Menelaus immediately got things ready for him. He never has to beg and clasp his knees. Telemachus was never afraid. Menelaus is a fun uncle and Helen is your cool auntie.
Back to Circe! She tells him instructions for the underworld, they were in her bedroom. But that might've been the only way to speak with her. As even Penelope is usually away from the suitors when they are in her halls, Circe may have done the same. The text never states she played hostess physically. If she was hosting in the halls during the day, why did Odysseus wait until night to talk to her? He could've just asked her while she was on her throne in front of everyone. (He did so with the Phaeacians)
Or maybe he went alone because she only swore an oath to not harm him and so he didn't want his men near if she decided she didn't want to let them go. I could be missing something here so feel free to say something. Idk if this was a pride thing on how "I don't want others to see me beg".
She has info he needs in order to go home as well. She tells him to go to the Underworld.
She gave him new fine clothes and put on pretty clothes herself but that doesn't mean they had sex. Nausicaa gave him nice clothes as well but he never slept with her.
Then he leaves. Immediately. Not even doing a headcount as he didn't realize one of his men had died. (That was negligence on his part but he wanted out) He booked it, to the UNDERWORLD BY THE WAY. Circe even had to sneak the animals he needed for the sacrifice. Odysseus even basically said "She's a goddess. She can do things mortals can't" at the end of the book. And it almost feels...Numb? Solemn? Neutral? Gives a "It is what it is" vibe.
But Circe got to the dark hull before us, tethered a ram and black ewe close byâ slipping past unseen. Who can glimpse a god who wants to be invisible gliding here and there?
(Fagles, Book 10)
Sheâd slipped past us with ease, for who can see a god move back and forth, if she has no desire to be observed?
(Johnston, Book 10)
She's a goddess. She has magic. She can do whatever the fuck she wants.
NOW ON TO BOOK 12!!! That was long! GET A SNACK AND WATER! LUCKILY THIS'LL BE SHORTER!
In Book 11, Odysseus swears, upon all his loved ones in Ithaca, to Elpenor that he'd give him a proper burial as he's been "unwept, unburied". So in Book 12, he sails back to Aeaea to fulfill his promise.
But you know what's funny to me?
He didn't tell Circe he was there.
He didn't even go to greet Circe himself. He sent his men to go get Elpenor's body.
The biggest clue that he didn't love/trust her is that if she was his "Affair partner" then why not go see her for "one last night together"?
SHE came out herself and pulled him aside to know what happened and then gave more advice.
I dispatched some men to Circeâs halls to bring the dead Elpenorâs body. [...]
Nor did our coming back from Death escape Circeâ she hurried toward us, decked in rich regalia, handmaids following close with trays of bread and meats galore and glinting ruddy wine. [...]
But Circe, taking me by the hand, drew me away from all my shipmates there and sat me down and lying beside me probed me for details
(Fagles, Book 12)
In every translation, it talks about how he sits, and she lounges/lies down. That's not sex đ In some translations, it even says he tried to be with his shipmates but she pulled him away!
So we lay down and slept beside our shipâs stern cables. But Circe took me by the hand and led me away, some distance from the crew. She made me sit, while she stretched out beside me on the ground.Â
(Johnston, Book 12)
Then, she gives advice about the sirens, Charybdis, Scylla, and her father's Cattle. He tries to ask if he could save all his men. She scolds him for even thinking he could try. He again books it out of there.
I think we all know it wasn't "love". But I think a lot of people think Odysseus was willing and happy with whatever this was. "Friends with Benefits", if you will. I guess you could see it that way but I will say that makes me feel itchy with the whole power dynamic and fear. I don't think folks who have that arrangement have to beg on their knees to ask if they can leave though.
I mean the entirety of Book 10 gives me the vibes of "Laughing uncomfortably because you don't want to upset the other person". To just grin and bear it.
A lot of this was just putting the text here and picking it apart step by step. What you do with this is up to you. It's rambling while banging pots and pans together.
Maybe you see him as drugged the entire year and still sleeping together, as the moli "wore off". Even then, just because her magic can't affect him, there are plenty of natural concoctions that can be created that can affect mortals.
Maybe you see the entire year as sex work in exchange for shelter and food.
Maybe he was just alongside his men the whole time under her roof and was avoiding her after the exchange. After he got asked by his men to finally leave, he would start to walk up to that room only to freeze and turn around, thinking "One more day won't hurt. Should wait until I know she's in a sympathetic mood".
I beg of you, however, PLEASE understand that there was fear and coercion throughout his entirety on Aeaea. He wasn't staying to get laid. While there is so much going on and too many things that are left vague to really know exactly what happened, it is consistent that he was scared/numb. Lots of people go through with things they don't really want to do just to appease others. There are plenty of situations of sexual trauma where one person goes through something and the other has no idea the other person isn't okay. ESPECIALLY WHEN SOMEONE CAN HARM THE PEOPLE YOU CARE ABOUT AT ANY MOMENT!
Sexual trauma is a very complicated thing and while he was scared, he definitely wasn't as traumatized by her as he was by Calypso. Calypso was a torturous hell while Circe was a year of walking on eggshells. Not comparable but I still think it should be acknowledged. It's wild because I read the Odyssey and kept thinking "Y'all are calling the sex slave a cheater? The guy who slept with a goddess to get his men back? The ultimate simp apparently doesn't love his wife??"
Things I'm adding that shouldn't affect the argument as it is not in the Odyssey but I want to mention as it's a "fun fact": Odysseus' dad was an Argonaut. Laertes probably met Circe as well, (or knew of her) with the whole purifying thing and maybe Odysseus heard his dad tell stories of her. Later myths also have Circe with the habit of turning her crushes (or their lovers) into something with Scylla and Picus.
In conclusion, Yeah, he was afraid of her. At least to an extent. And don't pull the whole "Ancient men didn't get raped". Male victims exist and deserve compassion for what was done to them and women are capable of sexual abuse. If you think otherwise, you are not a true feminist and Fuck you. I said in the beginning this'll be casual and I don't wanna write a fancy ending. You can still think Circe is neat but you have to know that this was fucked up.
If you think a lot of this is bullshit or wanna give more context or wish to yell with me but still know he wasn't alright on Aeaea, cool. If you want to point out mistakes or something I should keep in mind with interpretations then feel free to say so but give text evidence. If you try and bring up the Telegony and/or Madeline Miller's Circe, fuck clean off. This is Homer. If you call Odysseus a whore and not the malewife he canonically is I'll start biting. đ¤
#feel free to add thoughts! just be nice#Was a bit afraid to post this but now I don't care lol#I'm a tired bitch#Youtube and idiots on tumblr got me acting up.#This may be too thorough but idc.#idk why the colors get weird#I don't know how other people can see all these things lined up together and not see how he was not okay.#like I said you can still like circe the goddess but know this was wrong!#might make private sometime but fuck it#Circe the goddess is âfineâ. Circe the book is not#It sounds like it does her dirty anyways. Odyssey Circe would take book Circe out back and beat the absolute shit outta her.#if you bring up the tele-GONE-y then BEGONE yourself#odysseus#the odyssey#odyssey#circe#tagamemnon#tw rape#tw sa#tw sex assault#crying shaking throwing up#greek mythology#circe rant#odyssey rant#anti madeline miller#anti circe#the BOOK#Mad rambles#anti-madeline miller#essay
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STOP babying and objectifying Daisuke
STOP making anya a perpetual forever doting victim
STOP making swansea this hotheaded gaurd dog
STOP babying and objectifying and being ableist to curly and removing autonomy
STOP ignoring the complex themes of jimmys character just to mischaracterize and to dunk on your idea of him and, therefore, ignoring the themes of the story
Stop ignoring the complexities of their characters please and thank you
#mouthwashing#mouthwashing jimmy#mouthwashing anya#mouthwashing curly#mouthwashing swansea#mouthwashing daisuke#i need you guys to just stop actually lmao#ik its fandom and its bound to happen#but geez#think this is spurred on by a mixture of shit and weird fanart ive seen#btw this doesnt make that art bad at all!#but you cannot deny how much these works mischaracterize these characters and show very real issues surrounding:#rape culture + pop psychology/demonizatioj of personality disorders+ how yall treat disabled people +male victims of abuse+ how yall treat#abuse victims in general (ahem anya)#how you make characters you cant understand 1 note and boring#ships + media literacy AND SM MORE.#this was spurred on by seeing someone shit all over jimmy and anyas characters#and then scrolling down thru the moythwashing tag just to see someone draw curly as anyas drooling gaurd dog from men#so caught of gaurd aha#i have a lot of opinions on this gane#some controversial some not#eh
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Something something perhaps the reason Curly lacks a truly undamaged ID where his face is visible is to represent how much damage Jimmy had already affected on him throughout their relationship and the way Curly obscured part of who he is and what he stood to unintentionally cater to this toxic influence in his life.
#I think there is something to say that most people draw post crash curly and may not have every drawn him pre crash#and I think it says something that we only really look at the characters substantially in relation to Jimmy and not their own merits#unless we are discussing how J I M M Y mischarcterizes them cause in this#since we donât assign a face and identify to Curlyâs actions outside of Jimmy until the end their is the question of how much we are viewing#them as separate entities rather than intertwined actions cause while the flipping#of who we play at shows them and parallels and in separable in terms of the story going down#they couldnât be drastically more different in thinking and you only really realize that at the birthday scene where Curly felt the need to#take responsibility for something while Jimmy just felt the need to take#this is also more so me thinking about all the reason people think Curly and Jimmy could be friends but they are missing the point of Jimmy#and his dynamic there is nothing severely weird or sinister about Curly or his intentions itâs that heâs well meaning to a fault#heâs an average dude having a mid life crisis and Jimmy is a guy that takes advantage of good intentions like the idea#that curly has to be like Jimmy in some way personality humor morally is the exact sort of projection Jimmy wants#to happen and does like itâs the sad and real case that sometimes people just have friends like Jimmy that they canât cut off for one reason#or another like itâs not highly philosophical people are friends with objective assholes but itâs less about them#and more about the person feeling some obligation to stay like I feel like crafting him into#being more morally grey is to just make it easier to be angrier or think someone with more of a backbone#could of done something but itâs not even that he was spineless he was just too distracted and sometimes that feel like cowardice like even#Swansea waited itâs just the sad truth of how people avoid people like Jimmy or setting them off#sometimes it just does more harm than good I just am so bored with all the takes#acting like there was a perfect man on that ship and that any one outside of Anya knew the exact type of guy Jimmy#was from the get go like the point is other men wouldnât in rape culture but women and their victims already know#mouthwashing#mouthwashing game#curly mouthwashing#jimmy mouthwashing#throwing rocks at Jimmy
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The lack of understanding and empathy for cult survivors is really alienating. Because the same people that (rightfully) get upset hearing domestic violence jokes or rape jokes will make jokes about starting a cult.
#i logically understand that people actually mean commune or group or something innocuous#emotionally... all i can hear is 'i have a desire to abuse/harm a group of people'#and like. the same people that would balk at any other abuse joke don't think of it like that when it comes to cults#cults are not just a silly little group with weird beliefs teehee#they do actual harm#and I'm sick of people joking about subjecting others to the same trauma i went through#and i *logically know that people are just not educated*#it still deals psychic damage to see#ex cult#religious trauma#rape ment#i just#nobody feels safe when my trauma is free game to joke about
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ok wick is kind of upsetti spaghetti so im doin a little rant here. thatâs it
people get very weird about proshitters. they give a billion arguments to why its not that bad but at the end of the day itâs consuming or supporting people who consume fictional child porn.
âbut XYZ was proven false!â i donât care about the jaws effect or the slenderman stabbing. i am talking about grown ass adults getting off to drawings of little kids getting raped. why is that so controversial to think is disgusting. why is it something that people are so quick to defend. i do not see any reason why a grown adult would get off to that unless there is something genuinely wrong with them and that should not be a controversial thing. an adult should not be aroused at the concept of a child being raped, even fictional.
if you hear: âan adult should not get off to drawings of a child being raped by an adultâ and your immediate thought is to try and justify it, there might be something wrong with you, too. at the end of the fucking day, regardless of whatever shit you want to spout, you have to see the common fucking sense that is âa grown adult should not be jacking off to drawings showcasing the rape of childrenâ. why is this a sentence so hard for you to accept. how come saying this gets people mad. how come grown adults with a 9-5 think this is okay. you are old enough to have raised the kids youâre getting off to in art form. that is not a good thing. you should not be left alone with a child.
if someone hired you to babysit their kid and saw your ao3 history you wouldnât be allowed near that family ever again. if your coworkers saw your tumblr youâd be ostracized quicker than you can blink. if your parents saw your twitter youâd be disowned. getting off to kids is weird. you are the chronically online ones.
(do not harass proshippers. it is never productive, never causes any actual change, and only serves to make everyone in the situation stressed. proshippers do not change their minds because someone sent âkysâ in their inbox. not to mention multiple younger pros were groomed into the community and all harassment will do is push them further into it and away from recovery. block pros and move on.)
#cw suggestive#because i mention getting off to weird shit a few times#cw proship discussion#cw proship#eeugufhhhh#brotha eughhh#cw csa mention#cw pedophila mention#cw rape mention#grody#proship dni#anti proship#anti harrassment#donât harrass people buddy
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#mind you david is a dead dover through and through and loves exploring such topics as incest rape graphic violence etc#bro was shipping incest all over his twitter while the borgias was airing and posting how lucrezia should fuck both brothers#in fact he played characters who commit such acts#but even he was weirded tf out by the people who get all shocked by incest but not by rape which is like a more extreme crime??#âis incest worse than murderâ to quote francois lmfaooo#also need people be normal without throwing hissy fits over themes in fiction#david oakes#the borgias#text post#tb text post
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spartacus and crassus :)
this is actually a rejected panel from a much longer comic Iâve been fucking around with on and off for awhile- I had plans to do a long form spartacus comic for a long time, I just keep missing the last book on my research list in second hand stores đ I always have money when the last copy sells out aughhh
anyway! I might call crassus my girl in the group chat, but Iâve actually spent more years wishing that spartacus got to run crassus through on his sword and then read the fate of rome out of his entrails. ALAS. on that note, isnât it kind of interesting how spartacusâ funeral games for crixus turn roman order upside down and feel like both a foundational sacrifice and a curse? isnât it kind of fun how crassus will not die in rome, and neither will pompey, who came in like a vulture to take credit for crassusâ work? (itâs VERY fun)
Plutarch, Crassus
#Spartacus and Crassus have a very specific kind of narrative foil dynamic with each other that I find extremely compelling#Team spartacus bc I love to see rome eat itself like the horrible machine of violence that it is#and then cower in the face of what it created#That one doc that dramatized the starting spark was spartacus not being able to turn away from a Roman soldier#raping another gladiator. Thatâs what it all comes down to. Christ#Team crassus when the cast is just Romans because oh you are weird. Crassus you are so fucking weird. What is happening there.#BLAH anyway. panel rejected bc the scene needed to be bigger. grander. more bodies on the ground#Spartacus still get to call him a dog tho. Tahol Crassus! Tahol!!!#usually I have more to cite. Like. Most of my gladiator stuff is backed up on a flash drive! but guess what is not compatible with#An iPad. My flash drives. Bc I literally only use this for drawing work 𼲠also reading/researching on a screen like this is hell#spartacus#marcus licinius crassus#spartacus tag
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Things tiktokers have decided people should die/cut/get raped for
Having media literacy
Having an emoji combo they thought looks good without knowing the meaning (đŞźđŤ§, đ§¸đŻ)
Saying they'd rate a cat 1 star on dti
Venting in a comments section that invites people to vent
Having a vent account
Posting a video venting about their sa
Having bad art
Having an art style they don't like
Being LGBTQIA+
Having an eating disorder
Struggling with sh
Being online just after self harming
Starving themselves/hurting themselves for attention
Trying to reach out to people with the same disorders as them
Having issues with their parents in a way that can't be sexualised (daddy issues without being attracted to older men and stuff like that)
Having issues with their family
Not having issues with their family and being visibly happy about it
Being too young to be on the app
Not getting references
Being old enough to be on the app but not by the right amount (a 13 year old, a 30+ year old)
Being an age regressor
Being open about your personal struggles
Trying to hide your personal struggles but not fully managing it
Being average or overweight
Having an alt fashion style other than (a really watered down version of) goth or emo
Being disabled
Being "cringe"
Reposting the wrong video
Wanting to stay out of discourse
Liking the wrong music
Not knowing a music artist's whole past and analysing every detail of it to make sure there's nothing problematic there
Being a cosplayer
Referencing something that other people are sick of
Doing anything for attention
Having the wrong type of mental illness/disability (schizophrenia, aspd, p-ocd, did, psychosis, NPD)
Showing one of those disabilities in the wrong way
Having headcanons they disagree with
Having scars
Reacting to trauma in the wrong way
Being helped by the wrong thing/finding the wrong thing helpful (eg finding toxic motivation helpful)
And most of the people getting told this were minors.
#fuck tiktok#anti tiktok#anti harassment#tw suicide mention#tw sh mention#tw rape mention#tw sa mention#op is a proshipper#op is proship#proship please interact#proshippers please interact#op is a comshipper#op is a darkshipper#proship#antis dni#anti anti#antis are a cult#antis are stupid#tiktok is a plague#tiktok is hell#tiktok is toxic#tiktok is one of the most toxic places i've been#tiktok is weird#tiktok is stupid#tiktok
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I don't think Greek Mythology retellings/adaptions/inspired/etc. are necessarily "evil"...but I DO think people REALLY need to understand that there's a huge difference between the actual mythology and certain media.
I feel like people have to basically do a "Fandom ___" to say the different versions. Like "PJO ___", "Hades game ___", "TSOA ___". For it to be understood that these depictions are DIFFERENT. I'm saying this as someone who grew up reading PJO and still has a soft spot for it. But as someone who really loves Greek Mythology as well, I sometimes get really SAD.
I'm going to use the comparison of Howl's Moving Castle with it's Book Vs. Movie. I enjoy both!!! But they are honestly very different. In the movie there is no "sister swap", Markle isn't a young teenager, Sophie doesn't throw weed killer at Howl, and many more moments. But I enjoy both because even though there are changes they still keep components that are ingrained into the characters!
In some Greek Myth retellings/adaptations/stories/etc., characters are...SO different from the source material. That's fine...Choose what you want with your story... But folks should know that the modern adaptations are NOT the source material!!!
It bothers me that a lot of these wonderful myths and stories are twisted up and seen so differently because of a modern version of them. You can have that character be "awful" or a certain way in your story. But I almost feel that as fans, it's not good to generalize them or see it as "This is the truth". People are hating the mythological figure when it's only in that interpretation they are like that.
In PJO, Ares is "Zeus' favorite", isn't a good dad, a misogynist, etc. The actual myths? One of his Epithets is LITERALLY "Feasted by Women", in the Iliad everybody basically bullies him with Zeus literally saying he hates him. He cries when he learns one of his sons is killed in the war. He literally kills someone about to rape his daughter. Ares isn't perfect but it makes me sad with how he's viewed and talked about when it's only in PJO he's like that. Same with Dionysus. Read the Bacchae, you'll love it.
In Lore Olympus, Apollo rapes Persephone (noticing the fact that modern takes on the myths add rapes where there never were hmmmmm) when he never did in any of the myths.
In TSOA, Thetis is cruel when in the Iliad, she is such a loving mother to Achilles. She grieved alongside her son over Patroclus. Also with Agamemnon. In Ipheginia at Aulis, Agamemnon is a MESS. He adored his children.
In Circe, Odysseus is viewed as a selfish man who ONLY hurts others and doesn't care about his family when that is LITERALLY his one consistent character trait. HE is actually the one who is the victim of rape. Circe was never raped.
Medusa is only a victim in Ovid's, a Roman man, works. Not in GREEK mythology. She was just a cool monster. Leave Perseus alone. Poseidon and Medusa actually had a consensual relationship in Greek Mythology!
These adaptations/retellings/inspired by/etc. whatever anybody wants to call them, are not the real myths! They may be similar in some ways but to just generalize them or hate the deity/mythological figure because of something they did in the new media feels fucked up!
You can enjoy these new stories. There's nothing wrong with that!!! But know they're not the real myths. Maybe even label it as "I hate ____'s version of ____". As that makes it clear what version you're talking about.
#I'm probably wording this very weird. I'm sorry for that haha#idk I'm getting sad#I'm clutching the gods and my special lil heroes to my chest to protect them from the hate.#this is silly but...idk had to say it :(#anti circe#anti madeline miller#sorry but that book makes me the sadâ˘#greek mythology#tagamemnon#Mad rambles#shot by odysseus#PJO is special to me but I'm protecting the Gods >:( They can suck in PJO. to say the suck in the myths when you don't know the actual#myths is...sad#tw rape#<because so many adaptations ALSO add them when they're not there!!!!#save me morally gray circe#essay
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fallout fans can range from some guy hanging out being chill to people literally woobifying fascists
#kinda nuts#fallout#fallout or whatever idgaf#not tagging Them(tm) because crosstagging is a sin#but y'know who I'm talking about#mr. rome LARPer himself#also the people that're like âomg the legion is so gay actuallyâ are wild#like um#personally I think it's weird to insist a group that endorses rape &#is fascist is secretly yaoi central#whatever#fascism mention
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before I go to bed and spend tomorrow doing mostly spreadsheets (itâs fun I swear I love logistics Iâm doing it entirely for fun and restarting a game bc I find making detailed spreadsheet plans that enjoyable and I realised I could get some cool mods bc I donât care about balance) I really appreciate that while mouthwashing acknowledges and condemns curly's enabling behaviour, it never presents his disabilities or his abuse as some sort of just punishment. his extremely naĂŻve faith in jimmy hurt everyone and was born out of a patronising misogynistic worldview where he assumed anya was mentally unwell before she was a victim but what happens to him is not a fair consequence, itâs just horrible and senseless. even if it happening made curly aware of the suffering anya did- the obvious parallels between the rape and himself being forced to take his pain medication are something Iâm sure crossed his mind in the months he spent trying to focus on anything but pain- that in no way is ever framed as a good thing even if it technically made him a better person in some respects bc under No Circumstances is abuse ever justified or okay. curly is not a great person, but you do not have to be a perfect victim to be a victim. no one deserves the humiliation and violation jimmy put others through, not even jimmy himself. curly made many mistakes, and was a deeply flawed human- to think otherwise is to fall into jimmy's ableist and dehumanising obsession he uses to justify his abuse of curly- but he was not malicious. the patriarchal support of abuse eats its own, any man who falls outside of the cishetero able bodied white supremacist ideas of man are victims of it. this is not a hashtag girlboss moment, and is tragic and horrible in its own right bc abuse is always horrible, even if men arenât the primary intended victims and even if those men uphold the patriarchy. bc people can be victims and also be deeply harmful to each other. the lines between the misogynistic sexual abuse towards anya and the violent medical abuse towards curly are blurred on purpose- bc being disabled means curly is no longer protected by male solidarity when the idea of maleness we have excludes disabled people. the parallels between ableism and misogyny are a very prominent theme I donât see discussed much about the game, and them not framing curly as in any way deserving of his injuries nor the ableist abuse against him is so important for that point. like, curly sucks in a lot of ways, but heâs still a human being, and no human being deserves violation of any kind, whether theyâre dehumanised for being disabled or for being a woman.
#mouthwashing#sa tw#rape tw#abuse tw#mouthwashing spoilers#misogyny tw#ableism tw#like I think the feminist themes of this game are super important but I also think how they interact with the anti-ableism stuff is so cool#anya and curly represent how those two things are not that seperate after all#And of course that means people are weird about Both Of Them yay đđđđ
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sssstop!!!!!! assuming ganondorf is a rapist random youtube videos I'm literally eating my own fingers and swallowing the bones whole like one of those weird birds aaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!
#thoughts#ganondorf#cw rape mention#he NEVER showed interest in women in that way#to assume it's canon is so!!! aaaaaa!!!!#the gerudos would fucking destroy him if he was!!!!!!!#the gerudos by and large respect him until he fucks around and pulls a little invasion moment on everybody!!!#and if they don't it's because of a political divergence regarding how he sees hyrule!!!!#it's NEVER implied he takes advantage of them in that way!!!#(unless you assume a number of underlying orientalist tropes due to the way they look which --we talked about this enough in here)#there was a time where he was but a wee boy growing up among them#and unless they taught him it was something that was ok for him to do --why would he EVER even think of doing that???#even nabooru's situation (which was mentioned) is mostly focused on making her a top soldier to maintain order within his ranks#the notion that he would take advantage of her is??? he's not even around when she's brainwashed?????#she's literally encased in a hugeass armor!!!#and it's his moms doing the back-end work of keeping the gerudos in line while he's handling stuff in Hyrule??#nothing motivates me to keep working on Thralls more than Casual Ganondorf Slander u_u#like he did enough bad stuff as it is!!! can't we focus on the stuff he definitively did do instead of being weird???
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