#problematic solo stans

[superbat-love]

Officer: So let me get this straight. You two were fighting on the streets because of a…fan war?

Clark: He started it! He was tearing down all my ‘Batman is the #1 Superhero’ banners! As the president of the official Batman fanclub, I had to do something!

Bruce: Your hero is a miserable weirdo who skulks around in caves like a rabid flying rat. How can someone like that be the #1 Superhero? Obviously, it should be a good role model like Superman. Besides, you protested against the final round of the annual popularity poll and tried to get our votes invalidated, didn’t you? This is payback.

Clark: Because it’s rigged! Batman was clearly leading the poll until a million votes for Superman appeared out of nowhere. I bet you bought those votes, you rich crook! And don’t call Batman a weirdo, he’s just misunderstood! He’s a hundred times braver than Superman!

Officer: Listen, gentlemen, can't we resolve this peacefully? After all, these two superheroes are on the same team — the Justice League. You should be showing support for both of them!

Bruce: You’re delusional. The Superman fan events were a massive success nationwide, clearly demonstrating his popularity. Where's your evidence that I was buying votes, Mr Investigative Journalist? Even you can't deny it: Superman, the visual king, inspires the masses more than that ugly, sad excuse of a gargoyle you call a hero.

Clark: Ugly?! [holds up a life size standee of Batman] You call someone with this chiseled jawline and these sculpted pecs ugly?

Bruce: [punches a hole through the standee]

Clark: Ahh! How dare you hit Batman! [lunges at Bruce]

Officer: Hey! Hey! Calm down!

[puppetshcw]

Which member has the most solo stans and why is it Tomie? (or Aimee if we're being serious now)

AINE ˳ ⠀⠀⠀ and what if i say it's JEANNE? out of all members, she definitely has the most solo stans, and some of them are really bad... like batshit crazy bad...

some of her solo fans are the worst sasaengs out there. i'm not going to get into the details yet, but what i'll say is that because she's such a private person, fans know barely anything about her life away from the cameras. maybe it's that fact that attracts crazy people to her side lmao–

if i have to put down all the members from most to least solo stans, it'd go : JEANNE > AIMEE = TOMIE > VIVA = CHESKA. viva and cheska have the least solo stans, and the ones that they have are the most chill! all they do is make cute threads on twitter, interact with fellow viva and cheska enthusiasts and are just... vibing.

tomie and aimee's solo stans are somewhere in between – some like starting fights with other fandoms for fun, but others are surprisingly normal enough to have an okay conversation with. most of them have a specific symbol in their bio, so it's easier to differentiate between an ot5 and a solo stan. by the symbol, i don't mean some cute emoticon or a number, i mean they like to put "ˢᶜ", yet there's no actual explanation as to why they're using the dwarf version of the group's initials. it's probably an inside joke of those solo stans; who knows...

[lokisasylum]

You know shit's going DOWNHILL for Hybe when they start PAYING the SAME journalist who defamed and downplayed Jimin's achievements on Billboard Hot 100, and every other record he got without the company's push to start fabricating dating rumors in order to use that artist as a shield from the backlash the company's already facing under the allegations being made/exposed by MHJ.

Such as the fact that Bongo tried to bribe MHJ into accepting him having NewJeans' album sales inflated so they could "beat aespa's record".

ALSO:

(The OP is referring to 2022 when "With You" was released and Jimin's personal information was sold to antis, who spread it to the media to make it seem like Jimin hadn't paid his apartment's rent [its called "health insurance", but in reality its apartment rent] in 3 months, when at the time BTS had been on tour in the US and therefore Hybe should have absorbed the payments until their return. But a manager who was in charge of delivering the mail stole Jimin's for those 3-4 months in order to sell it to antis on DCGallery. And Hybe "allegedly" had no knowledge that this was happening right under their noses and put up that halfassed apology.

And the girl group OP is referring to is Lesseraphim, since at the time one of the former members, Garam, got involved in a very ugly scandal that resulted in her getting kicked out of the agency. OG Armys know about Bighit/Hybe's past scandal with their first gg GLAM and without the fabricated distraction using jimin's mail, this would've put BH/Hybe under a very shitty position infront of investors. )

(Yes, you read all that right, Hybe personally chooses/hires problematic journalists in order to PAY THEM to write articles that favor THE COMPANY. Even if it means damaging their own artist's image/reputation. Like what they've been doing to Jimin since FACE was released last year. ALL of those Weverse Magazine articles that targeted, defamed, downplayed Jimin's achievements, but favored and praised ANOTHER MEMBER, were all PAID and APPROVED by Hybe themselves.

Jimin stans have been warning and talking about this since last year, but nobody believed us. They thought we were throwing baseless allegations "out of jealousy" only for it to be brought to light in the end.

The sales that were stolen and erased from Jimin's album so that he wouldn't get the record of "First 1Million Seller Ksoloist"? Got proven with an official Retail Chart near the end of year that proved Jimin's album had not only sold MORE copies than the other members, but he was the only member who's numbers matched the pre-order with the ones that were actually bought AND shipped/delivered to actual fans (and not some warehouse in China without owners only to be discarded in alleys, train stations and bathrooms << ).

I wrote something similar to this last year around June, how we should be cautious of content Hybe would be releasing in the following months; with possible shipping content included to benefit only ONE member who was obviously being favored above the others to prove a point.

That the company isn't blind, they KNOW which member currently has a large following of unique loyal fans and if said member wasn't the company's favorite they will do everything they can (rumors, scandals, forced shipping content, ect) to wear out the solo fans and make them leave that member to make him dependent only on the group's fandom or company support (even if its nonexistent).

And it amused me the amount of shippers and company stans that got hella triggered by that post I wrote, even though in the end it all came true.

As for that problematic (crazy bitch) girl from IG claiming to be "jimin's gf" ? Just know that she's been doing this since 2018 to MANY male Idols/Public figures for clout (i guess it helps to boost her already TANKING career as a mediocre "actress").

Hell, she even at some point in the past 2 or 3 years claimed to be f*cking JK too.

[chaeryeos]

1st gen stans are hilarious jobless weirdos (i include myself in that), i know a girl whos a sechskies kang sunghoon solo stan (i love her, shes an icon) but she says a lot of out of pocket stuff + she has a obsession with FEET… she spams photos os kang sunghoon’s feet everywhere and she says a lot of weird stuff (sometimes kinda problematic but i don’t take her seriously since duh its a 1st gen stan) and like EVERYONE on the 1st gen fandom hates her except for me, this is a pic she sent me

WHAT THE FLA P i didnt except to see this in my inboz.......

[not-goldy]

https://twitter.com/eleni_cherie/status/1769810189367030167

What kind of people HYBE is involving boys with ? Since 2022 beg I.e around the beginning of chapter 2, Scooter started introducing these problematic people with boys.. either for a friendship or for collabs. And more than favor it's whole downgrade music wise and can be harmful for them in long run. You won't know what shady things these people are into and eventually involve members too. To this day, there is a certain status and ethics BTS has exhibited which western industry lacks. Now that they are working solo it's easy to influence them especially with lack of proper language. They better keep their eyes and ears fully open when they are interacting with these kind of artists and crew because one second of messing up can cost their whole career and life.

You have a very valid point and I understand your concerns

However, Ahjumma me nuh kwenchana discussing BTS aligning themselves with problematic people

I'm too truth conscious to compartmentalize such issues.

if I have to drag Hybe ill have to drag Kook too cos he definitely has a choice and autonomy in there he's not a slave under a slave contract and in case you haven't noticed I'm kinda a Jungkook stan soo... bias it is🥲

Like I'm not even gonna lie biased me is💀

I'm a huge advocate for not infantilizing these grown men by assuming their company is forcing them into everything.

They are grown adults who decide who to work with. Jungkook decided he wanted to work with CK and he did I hate to think he's the same person being walked like a dog to Scooter's crib.

Kook is ambitious have his own goals and I reckon he's gonna shake hands with the devil a few times in his career. Scooter is the one you publicly see, you have no idea what goes on behind the scenes too.

Do I agree with that choice, no.

Am I going to drag him for it????

Looking away respectfully

We can just pray they don't sell their souls in their journey or compromise their values or be abused and manipulated and traumatized its a crazy world they are in

All I can tell you for now is.... there there

[himenako]

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likes: lolita, jirai kei (the WHOLE culture), menhera, jfashion in general, oshikatsu, yume shipping, ita bags, sharks, the ocean, vtubers, video games, smoking, alcohol, anything designer handbags, shoes and jewellery, disney, kpop, jpop, cpop, makeup and plushies

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[hawkgirlz]

oomf on twitter said this but yeah, a lot of john stewart's 'fanbase' is so fake. or as he said, 'faker than a 3 dollar bill'. dcau stans whine about how john doesn't get the spotlight he deserves but the minute he actually got a solo aka war journal, it's crickets.

i still remember when dcau john/shayera stans on twitter who claimed to care for john said that green lantern (2021) comic run should be boycotted not because the writer was problematic but because he made a thanagarian oc with shayera's color scheme to 'bait' dcau stans 😭😭😭

and even if that story for john was bad..... they did not care about that because this was way before the story even released lmao. they're genuinely a pathetic performative lot who don't care about john as his own character and only see him as an accessory to shayera the WHITE woman. like when will we finally stop entertaining this fanbase and call them out for what they really are?

[quicktimeeventfull]

hello everyone i am posting a preview of my kpop au -- an in-universe callout for one light yagami. rainfalls50 is L. (eight god is the alternate & more common kanji spelling of 'yagami'; 50 is the roman character for L)

ifyoubloom

ok i hesitated on writing about this for a while because i knew people would be mad but someone needs to say something. @/eighthgod/light is one of the most toxic people in the entire fandom. yes this is a callout post in 2023 but it needs to be done. problems with eighthgod: - he is an akage. no, not just a solo stan, he REGULARLY posts about how he thinks other members are untalented or ugly and how they should be kicked out of the group and he even celebrated when A had to go on mental health leave in 2021 because ‘they could have more time to focus on beyond.’ YES beyond gets sidelined sure but thats still no excuse to be negative about other members - tags hate - posted ‘kys’ when people tried to explain CALMLY to him about how his behaviour was causing hurt - toxic judgement about beyond and misa dating, idols are allowed to have private lives, they give so much to us and its not our place to say what they do in their personal life - accused of running a group order and switching the photocards so he could get the beyond photocards. this was not proven but there’s a lot of evidence - has had a harassment campaign against @/rainfalls50 for more than a year. you can look through his twitter or tumblr and see this, he posts negative things about him and reblogs his posts to add hate hate and makes up lies about him. rainfalls has a lot of hate anons and hate comments on ao3 because of this. its weird and could be a sign of a bigger problem. but he still uses his translations which is hypocritical  - a lot of people have shown evidence he’s lying about being a lawyer, this is not proven either but there are a lot of contradictions there’s a lot of other things too but these are just the major ones. i blocked him so he won’t see this PLEASE don’t screenshot. do not harass him. just block and ignore. i know people are going to be angry because ‘he’s joking’ or ‘he’s mentally ill’ but its not a joke if it’s causing stress and harm and mentally ill people are still responsible for their actions. i won’t tell people what they should do but he has shown AGAIN AND AGAIN he does not care about the effects of his actions. just because he’s a big account and posts good analysis doesn’t mean he’s a safe person to trust

regardingreaper

isn’t rainfalls an akage too though

ifyoubloom

no people just say that because he made a few vent posts that were taken out of context plus even if he is it’s still wrong to harass him. and if you read the rest of post you will know it’s not just his harassment of rain that’s the problem, he harasses other people too and is problematic in other ways 

yoxingisthighs

op is a beyond/A shipper btw

ifyoubloom

SO WHAT IF I AM how does that change anything??? and it’s not like they’re going to see it????? anyway the company encourages it i’m pretty sure they wouldn’t hold each others hands and FAKE KISS if they cared that much. everyone on this post is so obsessed with shipping and ‘rain is an akage’ when eighthgod is SCAMMING PEOPLE AND TYPING KYS. i’m turning off reblogs this whole post was a mistake sometimes im embarrassed to be associated with any of you

[potc-musical]

I have this theory of why we never got to see Jack Sparrow doing shitty stuff

Jack's an iconic antihero character, but where is him doing problematic thing in 4th and 5th?

But I felt there's a reason

Extreme high favoritism by solo stans who wants him to be centered and "good" character

When Verbinski said Jack doesn't have to be the center of the films and he's right

I felt like that's missing for Jack's character, especially in 4th film. Pirates can be problematic in history (looking at you ofmd with Stede). Making Jack a unproblematic character is flat and boring in 4th and 5th. My pal from Discord said they're hints that he maybe problematic but we cannot see enough of him being problematic

As for the posts I remember

Jack is an anti-hero and we should let him be problematic

This is why I wrote him in OST musical concept than what writers in the movies did to him

[chim-chim1310]

Everytime I open twitter/X all I see in my timeline is pjms fighting with any and every fandom possible.

Sometimes it's justified, sometimes it's not. Though pjms can be a bit too much sometimes..

But most of the time their fight is justified. Kpop stans are behind jimin's ass everytime something happens with their faves.

Sometimes it's blinks, the other day there was a tweet about Gdragon's arrest and someone dragged jimin when he literally had no role their. Then we have jimin's own fandom subtly shading him. His own company downplaying his achievements. Then literally all bts members solos who for some reason only have problem with jimin. Then today we have seventeen fans unnecessarily dragging jimin into their mess when their faves f*cked up.

Like give my boy a break. Goddamn.

And it's funny because jimin is literally the most unproblematic kpop idol. Even some of bts members have done some things that's actually problematic. But there is literally no dirt on jimin.

Still they only chose to attack jimin when there's any fanwar no matter what the fandom is. Just because they can't get anything on him they try to make up lies to drag him.

Like wtf man.

It's literally so exhausting. Most of the time I just see pjms fighting only

I think we shouldn't start any fanwars unnecessarily but if someone else does talks shit about jimin then we should go all out to protect jimin. I would say even go as vile as they can. Because if you'll see the shit they say about jimin you're literally gonna puke.

If they started it pjms should give the same energy back. Why are we expected to act good when they're being disgusting towards jimin. Why they always try to police us only?

It's so infuriating honestly. These kpopies need to leave jimin alone and stop dragging him in shit which has nothing to do with him.

[fuutakaji-official]

uhh excuse you but can you like delete yourself or something. i don't wanna see any fuutas on my dash or fuuta kinnies or fuuta apologists. cause i'm saur serious and like he's so problematic. like seriously he made a middle schooler or something die bc of cyberbullying like that's saurr messed up. like op you should seriously reconsider your whole gimmick. and like what kind of prison would even give their prisoners access to the internet????? i hope you find a better person to stan and base your blog around instead of a ginger 🫶

I am autistic and cant tell tone so idk if this is a joke or not so i'll treat it seriously

But like, the block button literally exists if you find me annoying and dont want me on your dash just. Block me??? Im not gonna stop rp'ing on tumblr bc some anon doesnt like me lmao

Your opinion does not matter to me whatsoever, so just block me, hell ill block you if you'd rather that 🤷

Anywaya fuuta solos your favs AND JUST BECAUSE OF YOU IM GIVING FUUTA ACCESS TO YOUTUBE, NETFLIX, AND CANDY CRUSH!!! JUST FOR YOUR HATE ASK!!!

Utilise your block button and grow up <3

If this was a joke ask, welp.....

/ooc

[lokisasylum]

Lets talk about something controversial--

Lets talk about how BALLS-DEEP taekookers have embedded themselves inside the fandom to the point of Armys DEFENDING THEM over protecting the ones constantly being the target of this disgusting breed.

We (the OG fans who were there since the beginning and noticed the moment it started) warned ya'll about this; for MONTHS, for YEARS. But ya'll didn't listen. Just let it happen.

It started with Big “OT7″ accounts ignoring the issue and deeming it “just shipping wars”, “focus on BTS only”, to the fandom collectively turning a blind eye the bigger the hate got with every little "ignore and block", every "you need to curate your TL better so you don't constantly see that--"

We warned ya'll and you called us Crazy, you called us Delusional, you called us Entitled, you called us Problematic Old Hags. And now I fear we may never get rid of taekookers AT ALL.

EXHIBIT A:

Lets start with something that happened a few days ago. It started with a TKer using a set-up account to drag The Weekend for that weirdo netflix series. Which for some reason it called the attention of Abel (the lead vocal)'s attention to the point of quoting it, which in turn gave the tweet MORE attention/views.

As soon as the tweet started getting the desired amount of clout, the TKer changed the entire layout from taekook to Jimin to make it seem like "oh, pjms again starting shit because they're bored" (when in reality Jimin stans were hyper focused on streaming & buying 'Like Crazy' since the song was about to break the record for longest days charting and also the 119 #1s on iTunes), but what everyone ignored completely was the fact that despite switching the layout the person was actively dragging & defaming Jimin on that same acc & liking tweets from Jimin antis. But NOBODY CARED ABOUT THAT, because armys only saw "a jimin stan being problematic". And it took ONE Jennie solo stan calling out armys hypocrisy for the way they've always given trashcookers a free-pass in their fandom instead of defending Jimin, when both he and Jennie get the most hate from them on all platforms.

But AGAIN, what did the fandom do? Instead of actively reporting and trying to get the TKer suspended, they switched to attacking that Jennie solo stan AND slvtshaming Jennie as well. As for the person who started the whole thing? Deactivated and is probably STILL around with a different account spreading more hate and ways to get away with it.

EXHIBIT B: The #s war from yesterday.

Again, it was a TKer who started trending those disgusting tags over a harmless joke about spotify debut numbers. The hashtags were ALL initially AGAINST JIMIN ONLY, and each one more vile than the last and the bastards even celebrated that they got them to trend so quickly and were even putting money into keeping them up longer. 

(I spent an unhealthy amount of hours out of my life yesterday reporting & blocking people from BOTH ends, but it was just neverending! And for some reason twitter wasn’t showing all of the reports I made which frustrated me even more).

But armys only cared about the issue when Jimin stans actually started fighting back, using the SAME #s against TKers. NOT BECAUSE JIMIN HAD BEEN DEHUMANIZED/DEFAMED FIRST, BUT BECAUSE NOW IT INVOLVED 2 MORE MEMBERS (otherwise they would have ignored it). So instead of helping to clear the searches and reporting EVERYONE who was using the #s, they ONLY reported/suspended Jimin stans and instead trended “BTS IS 7″ initially, while the TKer who started this whole thing is STILL around, active on another acc after deactivating.

This gave TKers the upper-hand to once again SWITCH THE SITUATION IN THEIR FAVOR, by gaslighting armys/ot7s into thinking and trending: “solosOUT” “ALL SOLOS ARE ANTIS” “WE LOVE YOU TAEKOOK” “WE LOVE YOU [X, Y, Z member]”

(I even saw BTS members who weren’t involved in the issue being included in the tags as well to divert attention further from the fact that it was taekook shippers who started this shit).

And if you had looked closely at the first tweets using these tags, you would have noticed TONS of taekookers with the cult symbol on their username at the same time putting ALL of the blame on Jimin stans and accusing armys of ONLY caring about Jimin but never defending Taekook.

Which now has officially enabled the mentality inside the fandom that calling out Taekook Shippers = shading/hating Taehyung & Jungkook as individuals.

But its OKAY to call out Jikookers/Kookminers (cause they’re now “Tae antis” by association) & anyone who defends Jimin, because its OKAY for Jimin to get hate/shade as long as Taekook are protected.  LOL what a fucking joke of a fandom (Alexa, play “Face-Off” )

EXHIBIT C:  VMinKook at SG’s concert today

The 3 maknaes were literally standing/sitting together, playing. vibing to the concert (there’s literal clips of them talking, interacting and playing with the army bombs). But what topics made noise first?

“Taekook together at the concert” “Taekook concert date” “Taekook ignored Jimin, as they should” “Jimin left first/alone in his own car because he’s bitter.”

I even saw one where tkers were UPSET because “Jimin didnt pay attention” whenever tk interacted. Like sis makeup your mind, are you happy he’s no longer interacting like before or are you desperate for his validation that will never come???

Jimin is unbothered, happy and busy and probably had some schedule to attend after the concert, but these deranged mfers will always see what they want and armys will always give them a free-pass instead of addressing the pink elephants on parade in the room.

And if this is the fandom we have to go back to when and IF BTS ever return as 7 after enlistment (given that they don’t actually disband after that not so subtle hint suga made at the end of the concert)? Then I’m about ready to drop BTS as a whole the moment Jimin goes in for his service. ‘Cause this ain’t it.

[prbni]

Kpop opinion from a former stan that no one asked for

Kpop used to take western samples and then modify it since a long time ago but now its just the western samples sung partly in Korean and mostly in English, they don't even put the effort for putting in sounds and instruments to make it sound more like Korean pop.

I have argued with second and third gen stans against this in almost every comment section, but for 4th and 5th gen stans I do have to say that a lot of your faves can't sing live and dance simultaneously and NO its not okay, its the basic requirement to be an idol. Otherwise, you're just a backup dancer and not idol.

Echoing the first opinion, the only 4th gen boygroup that actually has been consistent in delivering a beautiful discography has been TXT. For others, I can mute the sound and just watch them dance and it won't make much difference.

If intense choreos are the issue, then they could just tone down a bit with the choreos and then make their artists perform LIVE. Older groups like Mamamoo, BTOB, and Winner-YG groups in general focus more on performing LIVE and vibe with the audiences and tbh that looks a lot better than groups just grinding that intense choreo and losing breath.

Le Sserafim have a really enjoyable discography but when it comes to live performance artists, Source Music has downgraded a lot considering they started with GFriend.

Since I brought up Source Music, I'd say HYBE should have delayed girlgroup debuts by a couple of years coz these girlies still need training on live performances. The boygroups tho *chefs kiss*

Girlgroup discographies have saved the 4th generation of Kpop. Hoping for boygroup discographies to have the same upgrade. TWS discography gives me hope even though they just debuted.

Groups like NMIXX, ITZY and G-Idle don't fall into the categories I mentioned above. Those babes can blast their mics with vocals AND shake that leg simultaneously.

The obsession with noise music needs to go. Not everyone can do it properly. Plus we don't need to hear the same kind of bass boosted music for every other Kpop group. Bring the diversity back.

The only company that kinda knows what they are doing with the noise music genre is SM Entertainment.Even though NCT songs are either hit or miss, atleast I can tell they aren't lazy about it and are methodically experimenting with the sound. SM might be shitty about a lot of things but they're serious when it comes to music.

Coming to SME, the management has messed up with things a lot of times and idk what changed but they've taken a few good decisions so far- like, Lucas solo debut, putting Sungtaro into RIIZE where they can individually grow as artists rather than being extensions of NCT,throwing away the idea of NCT Hollywood, debuting an entire unit of NCT instead of 1 or 2 members and doing it through a survival show for more exposure of the members, putting a stop to the avengers group concept etc. Now only if they could bring Seunghan back to RIIZE.

'Self-producing' worked for Seventeen coz their producer is Woozi. A lot of kpop groups are better off having actual composers and producers preparing songs for them.

The way most of the netizens have labeled New Jeans as a 'problematic' group just because these teenage girls have voiced their support for an adult they know (even though she is shady af 💀) over an entire bunch of adults and employees that make them feel uncomfortable and don't even try to hide their discrimination against these young girls is baffling to me. Yall expect these girlies who aren't even adults themselves to take a correct political stance when yall like to act like these girls aren't the biggest victims of the Hybe versus ADOR situation is so hypocritical and peak clownery 🤡.

[taegae]

hi I'm a new exol, could you pls explain the feud between sm and exo?

oh? welcome to the fandom, new EXO-L!!!! I was not expecting this question, ngl. I think this is very complex and I'm not the best person to answer it. However, you can still read my big ass ramble (with my weird english):

The history between EXO and SM has years, so there are a lot of moments where we had big problems and rn I can't expose or even remember them all. But it started with their debut. Yes, SM invested a lot in EXO's teasers and all, but it was not well received in korea and EXO were called at that time "SM's biggest mistake". It took a full year for them to have their first comeback with wolf... (and they were the new baby group of the agency). They also had a lot of anti-activity going on (even before they debuted, tbf), and to me SM never did sh*t to help them out . Till today, we still have a big anti EXO activity (including akgaes - they are very bad solo stans lol), but SM apparently doesn't know how to get into action and sue them lmao. We almost need to beg this agency to do something to deal with rumours, protect their artists... (example, if you search on twitter "Chen" "protect" "sm" you can find all you need). Kinda wild .

Not only that, but SM has the tendency to prioritize newer groups, and even when EXO was (or is) the group with most sales, we were having problems with underproduction, zero promotions activities, poor management, etc. SM loves sabotaging them lol.

I trully don't remember a comeback where we were not annoyed by SM's decisions. In 2015, for example, SM could have been smarter with call me baby and promote it more internationally. Spoiler alert: SM didn't do it. But funny enough, SM decided go to the international market with superm in 2019, where kaibaek were exploited and overworked (not saying the others weren't).

Furthermore, we are talking about a big agency who is known for having some problems related to... let's say, problematic contracts. Between 2014 and 2015, 3 chinese members filed a lawsuit against SM to terminate the contract, claimind unfair treatment, lack of support towards their activities and health, unfair payment and discrimination problems. A person could think this was going to be the last situation envolving an lawsuit... yeah, no, we have the most recent problem with CBX.

The CBX vs SM:

https://youtu.be/eFLjrCb5XB8?si=JG0PJgUC8hELIJmU&t=132 or this https://x.com/chanbaekalert/status/1664125854723747840

They "reached" an agreement... https://www.soompi.com/article/1594856wpp/exos-baekhyun-xiumin-and-chen-reach-agreement-with-sm-entertainment-release-joint-statement

But yeah, the story doesn't end there lol: https://www.soompi.com/article/1666874wpp/exos-chen-baekhyun-and-xiumin-to-hold-press-conference-regarding-dispute-with-sm-entertainment

https://www.kpopstarz.com/articles/319944/20240610/sm-denies-exo-cbx-claims-settlement-breach-accuses-trio-distorting-facts.htm

https://www.allkpop.com/article/2024/06/inb100-responds-to-sm-entertainments-statement-regarding-unfair-terms-in-exo-cbx-deal

To understand this last part better: https://x.com/kyoonghrt/status/1801311638772920322

All of this with a lot of SM's media play :) it's really hard to have all the facts and details, and it's really complex when we are talking about contracts, the nature and details of those... so, yeah, we are going bald with all this stress and lack of transparency.

If you want to, you can watch this compilation here of EXO exposing SM (some topics: SM control freak, creating idol personas, greedy, abusing it's power, yeah) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brXrQHKiSik

[honeymouthedtales]

Not fic related, but what can you say about the issue surrounding hc? Some say its lost in translation but idk what to believe. I'm not fluent in Korean after all. I'm quite on the heavy side, so seeing haechan say such words, as his fan, is uncomfortable...

i tried to find an ask i was sent about a similar issue but it was jeno talking to haechan a few months ago, because my answer will be the same i gave that day. unfortunately it was on cc and cc doesn't allow to look for old tweets, nor is twitter helpful in any way so i'll try to answer again.

under the cut bc very long sry

first of all, it's completely normal to feel uncomfortable. those are your feelings and they're valid. your feelings are separate from the intentions of the person who said those words, so no matter what you're entitled to feeling hurt if you feel like your bias might be fatphobic and no one should be telling you otherwise. in any case, feeling disappointed is not wrong because as many people are saying he is a public figure and his words can reach (and hurt) many people.

this said, as someone who lives in korea, i do understand why some people who are korean are saying his words are being greatly exaggerated by ifans. korean people constantly comment on other people's weight. it's to the point that i think it's a way for them to make small talk. just like they ask people if they have eaten when they want to ask how they're doing, food is often used in connection to health. when people haven't seen you for a long time they usually tell you that you've gained or lost weight as well (happened many times with me) and people do tell others to eat well as a good health wish. that's why i think that telling people to get in shape and take care of your body does not necessarily mean that he thinks they are fat, it's just a way to say take care of your health. imo it would be wrong to read a deeper meaning in it.

back to my previous point. does that make your hurt unnecessary? no, because you can get hurt even he didn't mean to say something hurtful. if you get run over by a car it doesn't matter whether the driver meant to do it or not.

but i don't accept the narrative that hc is a terrible person who judges the members' bodies because he is fatphobic, and anyone believing this has clearly never lived in korea, where the kind of sentences he said are as common between friends (especially male friends) as using the weather to make small talk. if you want a real example, i dare you to look at the other nct dream members. all of them have, in other instances, made comments that according to our standards would be judged "fatphobic" while they were talking among each other. do we stan a group of assholes or are we going to acknowledge that there might be a certain degree of cultural difference at play between the way we consider acceptable to talk about other people's bodies and the way they do it?

i'd like to add something i said when this issue happened with jeno and haechan was called fat instead. i'm not haechan's babysitter. he doesn't need me to defend him when he's talking with his friends. if what is said among them is problematic, i'm sure they are all old enough to talk among themselves and solve the problems. what they don't need is some fans (often solo stans or akgae) inventing a narrative in their head, analyzing reactions to support their theories and then proudly saying "member x is an asshole" and deciding that they, as strangers, know their friendship better than dream, the actual group of friends. and this is just to get rt and likes, for the drama. it's meaningless to always praise dream for having a genuine relationship but then distort every single instance of genuine reaction we get from them just to make a hit tweet. if jn and jm were annoyed by that comment, i trust them to say something among each other without everyone butting in blindly.

finally, i'm sorry that as a haechan fan he disappointed you. i do think what he said is wrong. i think he should've minded his words better. i don't like when he says stuff like that. i don't believe he wants to be hurtful, but at the same time i don't think he saw a problem with what he was saying because most people around him don't. not only the other members, but also the staff, his family, other celebrities. it's alright being disappointed, but i hope we can all be realistic and stop pinning the weight of a behavior that is widely normalized on a single idol every time something like this happens.

I hope I explained myself properly. It's a delicate issue, and as a fan I have to juggle between dealing with my own feelings of disappointment and seeing many comments of people who are inventing things or being hurtful just because they finally have a good pretext to do it.

[not-goldy]

So Goldy this 11:08 discussion reminds me of a convo I just had with my sister recently... we were discussing of how bts members encourage the bad behaviors of their fans and her biggest point was Jungkook. For her, Jungkook encourages the toxic Y/N scenarios and the example she used was the white day live. I, being a jikooker immediately defended Jungkook however once she asked why I chose peace. But that just made me realize that most things Jungkook does to get his mimis attention has been stolen to feed off the Y/N delulus. Jungkook didn't come on live on white day to dine with you he came on live to dine with his mimi who was overseas... Jungkook dressed up handsomely to attract mimi, spoiled alert mimis solo projects and, even mentioned GCF Tokyo and there for you. This also happened during the jimin 2022 bday wish video when army's started trending for "What was the reason?"... well honey bcuz he wanted to thirst trap his babes to a after hours birthday present. Sorry to break it to you Y/Ns but he doesn't do shit to feed your delulus, you do that on your own. The Jungkook fan service king thing needs to come to an end.

Ahhh you should have called me so I join in the discussion.

I agree that all BTS members are guilty of this especially those who over share sensitive vulnerable tales of their lives and enable their fans to trauma bond with them. Those are the ones who inadvertently encourage parasocial attachments and its more insidious and dangerous if you ask me.

I think anyone who overly emphasize on Jungkook thirsttraping and love baiting his fans has their priorities misplaced cos no one truly believes Jungkook is dating them or saving himself for them when calling him baby irks him so much.

But I agree that writing love songs and sharing deep emotional feelings in a song and calling it a fan song is dangerous.

Like these are grown adults they shouldn't still be disguising their romantic feelings, expressions experiences as content made for fans at their big age.

If you want to have this conversation you have to HAVE IT. You have to go to the root of the problem and not just scratch the surface.

When two people are found in the back of a truck taking a break unwinding and enjoying eachother's company THEY SHOULD BE BOLD TO SAY HEY THIS IS OUR ME TIME AND WE DONT APPRECIATE THE INTRUSION.

But saying you hanging out for fans taking pictures for fans loving someone for fans IS HOW FANS GET CROSSED EYES THINKING THEY ARE ENTITLED TO YOUR HEART MIND AND SOUL.

That everything you do is for them and anything else that can't be co-opted should be explained away as fan service.

I mean speaking of encouraging bad behaviors.

I don't know how and why people fixate on Jungkook gyrating and thrusting his hips on live for fans when there are real issues like these to be discussed. I just don't get it.

And I think Jungkook is doing what the members did when they were his age. Someone has to pamper these fans and incentivize them to remain loyal or even to attract them to the group.

I recall we used to call Tae and JM the recruit fairies cos they were the one's who strong fanservice skills drew the crowd and converted new stans.

It's simply Jungkook's turn to do the necessary evil and I genuinely don't see how he's over doing it. Fans are just nuts if they truly fall for him calling Army his girlfriend cos if so he's cheating on every single one of them with the other😩😩😩😩😩😩😩

I take it all as a joke but if people are taking it seriously they need to seek psychiatric intervention.

Can I ask you a question??🤔

Do you not see the real actual problem with BTS or do you genuinely think what Jungkook does is an actual serious problem 🤔

Because it's the least concerning thing on my scale of problematic things BTS do with fans. If they were all just feeding y/n delusions I'd say that was not a problem at all cos Y/ns will always y/n regardless😩