#pro catra

[darklinaforever]

I saw someone... at face value... compare the character of Catra to Christian Grey !

Saying that if you're willing to defend Catra by saying she's a complex character with a good redemption arc, or even that she deserves redemption in the first place, then you're also willing to defend Christian Grey.

I don't even have the words to describe such stupidity...

[yourhighness6]

Some ppl literally hate complex female characters so much they want one-dimensional, awful female villains instead because at least they don't have to contend with messy emotions. Like "pro-shadow weaver" wtf is that

[whocanbelieve]

Am curious

[spop-romanticizes-abuse]

i will never forgive the spop writers (and fans) for acting like glimmer was being unreasonable and mean by not wanting to save entrapta from beast island. she had all the reason to stop adora and bow from doing this. let’s see..

as far as they’re concerned, entrapta willingly started working for the horde. regardless of how she was treated by the princesses, she shouldn’t have joined the horde. she wasn’t just hurting the princesses, she was hurting innocent civilians. glimmer has the right to be suspicious of entrapta after this.

the princess alliance was already losing to the horde. adora was very much needed there, this was not the time to go on a side quest and leave the alliance in shambles.

beast island was DEADLY dangerous. adora and bow nearly died out there. they shouldn’t have gone without any prior preparation or plan.

they didn’t even know if entrapta was ALIVE. she could have died out there, for all they know, and that entire mission would have been a waste of time.

glimmer wasn’t even saying that they shouldn’t save entrapta at all. she just didn’t want adora and bow to act on impulse and potentially get themselves killed. she was being perfectly reasonable there, but somehow this was all meant to tie into her corruption arc, and a sign that she has gone “too far”.

and in s5, they make it seem like adora’s and glimmer’s conflict was all one-sided and adora never has to apologize for not listening to glimmer’s advice. glimmer instead has to admit that everything was her fault when it wasn’t. sure, she did make the bigger mistake of putting etheria at risk and she deserved to be held accountable for them. but adora should have also acknowledged her own mistakes and apologized.

spop could have pulled off a good mutual conflict with glimmadora but instead they went with trying to make c//a the relationship with mutual conflict.

[danielkingx16]

Catradora(She-Ra) Tool: Medibang Pro

[catras-breakup-song]

i’ve seen 4nt1s claim it’s the stans harassing them under their posts like they’re some moral upstanders who never bother people in the ship’s default/mainstream search results, yet i’ve also found a couple examples of it actually occurring the other way around instead:

x / x / x

let it also be known that i haven’t personally come across any stans harassing 4nt1s, which is different from responding to an invite for a debate (something i don’t typically feel comfortable allowing myself, hence the banners, but i’ve only had an issue with one user regarding that boundary so far) or otherwise interacting like a normal disagreement among an open post/inbox should go. obviously this isn’t me denying it happens, it’s just that i’ve never known this fandom to be toxic as others i’ve been involved in discourse with comparatively — which, all things canon considered, is ironic i admittedly suppose. lol lmao.

anyway, i’m sure there’s… probably plenty more examples out there… but i don’t go out of my way to find that stuff on purpose, so i can’t be sure. yeah, i’m sure the popular critical gimmick blog names that tag everything correctly and start discussions under the guise of genuine constructive criticism aren’t responsible (at least, i hope not and will give benefit of the doubt here), but “look how this side is so much better than the other!” is just not a truthful declaration unfortunately.

[catgirl-catboy]

Can we go back to the days where it was possible to have a familial HC without shitting on the people that ship them?

[moonlight-collective]

she's not present right now, but we recently(?) formed a Catra fictive, from She-Ra and the Princesses of Power

I like her it's just, she's our first fictive so it was a noteworthy moment for us

I welcome her with open arms though :3

[dougydoug8797]

I know this going to trigger Catradora stans/fans and mainly the entire Catra stans/fan/fan base/fandom; but, To all Catra fans Catradora fans. Shadow Weaver deserved redemption and a second chance not Catra. SW changed Catra did not. SW cared about Adora. Catra did not care about Adora. I stand with Shadow Weaver and Adora. Please don't defend Catra. She's a toxic person. Shadow Weaver is less toxic than Catra. Catra is more toxic than Shadow Weaver.

[existinghedgehog]

an ode to my friend

[garden-of-bah]

You're all disgusting I hope you know that. I hope everyone you all love finds out you're radqueers and cuts all ties with you. Fuck you

Awwww, our first anon hate. For what you’re worth (nothing), our loved ones do know we’re radqueer and love us anyways. But nice try, this your first time?

Besides, what did you think you were accomplishing with this? Did you really think this would be what got us out of being radqueer? Aggression, hatred, and hostility? To convince us to cut ties with the community that has made us feel the most secure and accepted in our entire life? Rethink your approach if you really want to

“””save”””” us poor, disgusting radqueers.

Probably gonna delete asks like this in the future, but this was the first one and I wanted to say something.

[dougydoug8797]

@spopsalt and @caramelarr0w055 can we all agree that Catra is Shadow Weaver 2.0 only way worse and way toxic?

Hi friend, today i'm bringging the moment i really hate of C*tr, even if i hated her before this scene made me hate her even more.

I mean, in s5 it was hard to watch because trash-tr* was in there and inmidiatly forgiven but this ? this made it worse for me " After everything she's done to us " C*tr* you can't even be more hypocrite you literally abused, torture, manipulated and gaslighted Adora and murder Glimmer's mom and almost destroy a whole unniverse you have not right to say that. " you're really going to follow her ? " I mean if i Adora could follow her abuser sister then i wouldn't be surprised if she follows her abusive mom but at least SW is not a monster like you.

Friend, my question is, which moment of c*tr* made you get angry but SO ANGRY ??

Ugh of course Catra acts like she did nothing when she legit gaslit Adora and abused Adora, on top of so many more things, Shadow Weaver isn't a good person, but she shouldn't ask why Adora is fine with following her when Adora legit is being all nice to Catra like she wasn't abusing her for years. And to answer your question, I would have to say the first episode, this was when they were supposed to be friends and she was getting all whiny over her promotion when Adora has been working to this for her entire life but Catra didn't care because it wouldn't benefit her, also her slapping Adora when she was having a panic attack is up there as well.

[spop-romanticizes-abuse]

see, the main reason that glimmadora works is because they were always on equal footing, even when they were not getting along. neither glimmer nor adora used their power over the other, and neither of them took the other for granted. even when they were fighting, you could sense a mutual respect there. adora was not scared to stand her own ground, if she knew she was right.

and when glimmer said something insensitive to adora in s4, adora was allowed to be mad at her. she was allowed to not immediately forgive glimmer, even when she tried to apologize something catra never did. whereas if this same conflict happened with catra, adora would be forced to apologize instead. she would be the one to take responsibility and try to make catra happy.

in catra's and adora's relationship, catra always had power over adora. she knew the right things to say if she wanted to shut adora up or make her feel guilty for something that wasn't her fault. and catra knew this. she literally brags to lonnie about her girlfriend being easy to manipulate. isn't that so cute?

adora never had to walk on eggshells around glimmer, she didn't have to apologize for every little thing. she didn't have to constantly put glimmer's feelings above her own. her efforts never went unrewarded. glimmer didn't take adora for granted, unlike catra. even after all their conflict in s4, when adora asks glimmer to stay, she does. she respects adora's feelings and decides to compromise.

[danielkingx16]

Catra(She-Ra)(Line Art + Flat Color)

Tool: Medibang Pro

[catras-breakup-song]

not gonna mention who unless someone asks me privately (+ i have them blocked on this blog) but i just saw a catradora 4nt1 say that the toxic yuri they enjoy includes boschlow from the owl house… so (explicit) bully x victim, which is a relationship dynamic that was NEVER CANONICALLY RESOLVED after the timeskip, is okay to like, but not (alleged) abuser x victim? sorry but you lost me…

[dougydoug8797]

Big shout out to @dirt-apple-productions for understanding Shadow Weaver so much. You should write a character analysis on Queen Angella.

Yo 👋🏾!

Why did Catra, a violent, unhinged, and dangerous war criminal, get off Scott free and an unearned redemption arc? Why was Shadow Weaver not given a redemption arc and was given the death sentence?

I’m bad at respecting pronouns. I will do my best, but if I call N.D. by his deadname or misgender him, that is an act of forgetfulness and not malice. Please be patient with me.

First, the way you’re framing this is (unintentionally, I hope) a little intellectually dishonest. I would definitely not call Catra unhinged. She’s impulsive and definitely attempted more harm than Shadow Weaver did (while being a grown-ass adult perfectly capable of making her own decisions…), but I would not call her unhinged. Her behavior is typical abusive behavior, and I laugh at the idea of war crimes in She-Ra at all because Bright Moon also doesn’t even have a prison. Moreover, I’d argue Shadow Weaver is equally as dangerous as Catra up until Micah arrives and she starts to change. She was the one throwing away soldiers on pointless missions, sacrificing the collective to get Adora back, and trying to wipe her ward’s mind (not to mention the physical abuse both she and Catra committed).

That said, the reason Catra was forgiven by the narrative and Shadow Weaver wasn’t is pretty simple. N.D. doesn’t believe Shadow Weaver is capable or worthy of redemption.

I do agree with him that you can’t redeem someone who doesn’t want to be redeemed, but the language about someone not being “capable” or “worthy” of redemption is entirely different than acknowledging that universal reconciliation isn’t a thing. He is making an assertion about Horde Prime’s value and worth in this statement. Not the free-will choices he made. N.D. can pretend as though it’s about actions all day long, but this is not the true motivation. He’s also conflating Prime’s actions with his worth by bringing up his bad actions and long lifespan, which has nothing to do with anything. It’s all window dressing. What makes Prime’s end work is that he COULD have chosen at any point to repent, surrender, and face consequences, but he chose not to. Get that? C H O S E.

It’s also worth noting that N.D. doesn’t see Shadow Weaver as redeemed.

Here are all the effed-up things in this passage:

N.D. admits he didn’t plan Shadow Weaver’s arc from the start, which is laughable and shows he has a dearth of writing skills. If you’re going to write a story, literally the bare minimum is knowing the climax and ending. But he couldn’t even be expected to know that? Come on.

N.D. acts like it’s so terrible for Shadow Weaver to think she’s the good guy when that’s a.) literally how Catra behaved for the whole story, and b.) how everyone thinks of themselves. Everyone wants to think they’re going through life with the best of intent here.

N.D. asserts that Shadow Weaver ruined the lives of people she never ruined the lives of. She was never in Castaspella’s life before S5, and all signs point to her treating Micah with utmost kindness up to and including when she was possessed. I challenge anyone to find one instance where she treated him at all similar to how she treated Catra and Adora. They won’t find it.

Shadow Weaver does not care about Catra. She cares about Adora but the Spell twisted her love so much it no longer resembles the real thing. Love is an action, not a positive feeling, and the fact N.D. is stating otherwise shows he doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about.

Shadow Weaver’s sacrificial ending was suicidal. I don’t really care who’s mad about me saying that. She said “it’s too late for me” and burned herself alive. Suicide is selfish and cowardly in its own way, but N.D. in other interviews portrayed the final act as a way to smarm Catra and Adora for resenting her, which does not come across in the scene at all. Again, N.D. has no idea what he is talking about here. I have autism and even I understand the basic concept of PORTRAYING WHAT YOU INTEND IN YOUR STORY. And if she was truly being selfish all along and never changed, only manipulated the girls to the bitter end, the next point makes no sense either.

The idea that Shadow Weaver has to “affirm” and “get closure” for the girls in order for them to heal is toxic. Not that Shadow Weaver shouldn’t repent and apologize, but Adora and Catra’s healing can’t be hinged to that or else the moment she makes a mistake in her journey, they’ll instantly be heartbroken. YOU CANNOT SEEK VALIDATION FROM OTHERS. And this brings to attention the tonal whiplash. Catra and Adora should be, by all accounts, utterly distressed. But they just…forget about Shadow Weaver immediately after that, like it was as easy as her death achieving their happiness. Demented. And to think kids are having this message as their takeaway.

So the reason is quite simple: N.D. doesn’t actually believe in redemption, and he never saw Shadow Weaver as redeemed to begin with. As to why Catra’s actions are downplayed, it’s because she’s hot, gay, and young, and she’s N.D.’s special girl. It’s really not that complex.