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To say JC was disrespecting his sister's sacrifice by blaming WWX for her death is a bit of a reach, honestly. Especially since that's obviously his trauma speaking. Merely him trying to put the blame onto someone because sometimes, when we grieve, we feel better when there is someone to blame. Something to attribute those feelings to and hope that by hunting it down, maybe they'll finally go away? And that maybe he will finally get the answers and feelings of closure he yearns for when he does?
We see his conflicted feelings throughout the latter part of the story and how he struggled with them, after all (Which is another tragic aspect of his and WWX's character, which we can't ignore).
Even then, you could argue that in the moment, that was just how JC perceived and rationalised things. WWX did lose control at Nightless City. And whilst it wasn't intentional, and this time by the hands of someone else, rather than his own "zombies", we can see why JC would rationalise it to be WWX's fault. That's what trauma does to a person.
Also, the implications that JC sees his sister as some "commodity" is just wrong and unfairly misrepresenting his character, too. Sorry. Especially whilst he respected all of her wishes throughout. Be it her choice to marry JZX or not, despite JC and WWX hating the dude.
Allowing her that choice to either reject the arrangement (which was hugely beneficial for the sect btw and something families did back then), or accept it by choice is a big deal for a dude of that period tbh. Especially whilst JC effectively had "control" over his sister (which again, he never exercised. She was always the big sister to him, whose word he respected. We see this when he confides in her during the search for WWX during the war). So no. She wasn't a commodity for him. JC started a siege over this woman. He loved her dearly and to reduce their relationship to something so surface level is disingenuous and so not what the author wanted to convey in her work. Js.
To sum up, whilst JC was factually wrong to accuse WWX of the death of his sister, we can see beneath the surface why he reached that conclusion, regardless of the facts.
Context matters greatly here. And WWX did inadvertently bring that threat to them. What doesn't help is also the events that took place before this.
WWX refused to open up to JC when prompted. He kept things from him prior to the incident and just.. Looked culpable as heck for everything despite actually being innocent (especially since this took place not long after the death of his brother in law which was apparently by WWX's hands). All feelings of confusion, anger and grief were bound to mount up and unfortunately, WWX was going to be the outlet for all that because behind it all, there he was. Looking responsible for all that went wrong for JC (despite us as the reader knowing that there's more to the situation than that and that wasn't true. But remember, JC doesn't see what we see. So it's only natural he's going to attribute all that's gone wrong in his life to the man that was always there, somehow at the core of it -ahem. No pun intended there!-).
But all this aside, you've got to remember that JC does let WWX go in the end anyway. He drops all feelings of malice as the truth comes out and he learns that WWX wasn't actually fully responsible for everything he accused and hated him for.
To still hate JC for initially blaming WWX for the cause of JYL's death is a bit silly tbh, especially when they effectively closed that chapter at the end of the book and moved on anyway.
JC doesn't pursue him anymore for answers and nor does he continue to hold him accountable for everything. To bring up his old feelings when the book is finished and all has been put to bed is unfair tbh. Especially when some of you won't even put yourself in JC's shoes and try to come to understand how he came to that conclusion in the first place.
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here's to all the little sacrifices we have to make as disabled people.
here's to skipping a friend's party because you were in too much pain, or because you had no energy.
here's to dropping out of clubs because they became too much for you.
here's to all the times we've said "no it's okay, you guys go ahead, i'll hang back here."
here's to all the things we've held ourselves back from just in case they hurt us.
here's to moving seats in class away from your friends because your back was getting a draft and the cold hurts you.
here's to us. here's to letting ourselves heal. here's to being cautious, being safe.
here's to the things we can do. the things we're allowed to do. here's to enjoying those things, enjoying our lives.
here's to making the most of being us.
#add anything you see fit#this is from a physically disabled pov#but definitely applies to neurodivergents#no matter your disability - just make sure you don't undermine anybody who contributed before you#disabled#disability#disability rights#disabilities#actually disabled#physical disability#physically disabled#disability pride#cripplepunk#cpunk#cripple punk#c punk#crip punk#neurodivergent#(which i am supposedly not but i just want those guys to see this positivity too)#tee is tumblring
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Abramâs back
#pov you just tried to tell him he canât just go prancing back to Evermore to kill Riko#no matter how bad you both would love that#itâs tragic honestly đ#fan art#my art#aftg#all for the game#neil josten#royal au#traditional sketch digital color
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Page 43 of my Miraculous Mentor AU comic A Matter of Trust! In which the last of the Sphinx bloodline finally come face to face... đŚđ
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#miraculous ladybug#mentor au#A Matter of Trust#felix sphinx#bridgette cheng#richard sphinx#josie's art#over here doing my best to get fresh pages out no matter what :'V#bri absolutely had a kickass fight scene before getting overpowered but felix was too busy doing ridiculous sky parkour to see it :/#one day i'll do the same story from her POV because there's so much we miss from felix's perspective! she has hobbies and adventures too!!!#she spends all night fighting supervillains and dealing with chat noir then rollerskates late to school with toast in her mouth!#and tikki sleeps in a barbie palace like a queen while felix keeps plagg in a tupperware box :/
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winterfell is one of my favorite of the castles bc its warm. both in a metaphorical and literal meaning. its built on natural hot springs and has hot water streaming through out the entire castle, protecting its residents both from the cold and people alike. its so warm inside that catelyn can open her windows in the middle of the night and still stay comfortable. even the glass gardens are warm enough for flowers to bloom and crops to grow in the long winters, feeding the keep. the people are warm too; everyone from the servants to the lord himself. Ned cared for his people and they loved him for that and took care of the Starklings in turn, risked their lives to save Bran and Rickon from the ironborn. Theon knows that if Bran and Rickon were to get away from Winterfell, the commoners themselves would protect the princes, hide and lie for them. and when Sansa builds Winterfell from snow and rocks and sticks in the Eyrie, it doesn't feel right bc despite the snow which covered it from winter to summer, Winterfell itself never was cold
#and also! the vale!#during sansa's stay in the eyrie it doesnt feel like HOME. its white and cold and empty and despite rarely getting bards and singers#winterfell was ALIVE and warm and despite being burnt down and broken ppl still long for it. be it sansa or arya or bran or cat#even jon misses winterfell and his family and his father and half siblings despite knowing he ought not to return#theon too for that matter. hes a liar and a killer and he betrayed the starks and yet...#asoiaf#winterfell#finally reading adwd btw... finally returning to the north does something to a lad...#house stark#ned stark#catelyn stark#sansa stark#bran stark#rickon stark#catelyn tully stark#its also making me realize how much i miss winterfell povs... maybe i should reread the early books actually#a song of ice and fire#valyrianscrolls#chaos reads
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mmmmmm read a disciple shen yuan/shizun luo binghe fanfic about two days ago where the first chapter was the Immortal Conference arc, and SQQ was the one who had to be pushed into the abyss (he was still the villain) except Luo Binghe was refusing and was like, lowkey losing his mind about SQQ being so close to the edge. SQQ ended up having to be the one to fall in himself because of the system's punishment system. The rest of the fic is leading up to that moment. But like, MMM i've been obsessively thinking about that first chapter for DAYS ever since.
now i've been in svsss for a grand total of *checks watch* a week. but god obsessed with that. I want to write/read a fic where disciple SQQ goes a little nuts down there. Like keep all of the things that make SQQ, SQQ, but just. Throw in a little bit more trauma in there. A little bit of a mental break. Let him go a little nuts as a treat. Just a tad unhinged. I wanna see him go, just a little, "god fuck it, i've tried so hard to change this shitty story's outcome and it feels like everything i've done has been for nothing. I'm going to die in this world no matter what I do, I've been doomed from the start, so might as well die the way I want to." and he just, breaks a little! Under all the stress.
He still retains the traits that makes shen yuan, shen yuan, like his overwhelming kindness. But he's just! yk. A little less patient. Paranoid. Jumpy. Colder. A little more aloof and closed off. A little more Shen Jiu. He's no asshole child abuser, but he was a Number One Hater in his past life and he's leaning into that old habit a little more now.
(On a totally coincidental not-at-all related note, there's not enough SJ-and-SY-are-the-same-people fics out there that i've found. This is totally unrelated...)
The Endless Abyss turns the mind into an over-sharpened blade, and SQQ is both fascinated and perhaps a little excited to explore a place that doesn't have a lot of info on it in the mortal realm, but still terrified out of his mind. And he's no Luo Binghe, he doesn't have the sheer brute strength and power to just bulldoze his way through, so he has to be a lot more sneaky and cunning if he wants to survive.
The fic itself role-swapped LBH and SQQ so that SQQ was the half-demon (which lowkey fucks) and LBH the human, but I'm equally-if-not-more obsessed with the idea that LBH remains the half-heavenly demon and SQQ the human. If only because I keep thinking about SQQ befriending some demons (particularly and specifically a group of succubi) and they grow very attached to this Human Cultivator so through magic plot stuff they create some kind of seal/illusion/talisman that makes SQQ appear as a demon because a human cultivator in the endless abyss may as well be the equivalent of putting a giant neon target on your back.
And iirc Shen Jiu was taught demonic cultivation by that one guy(?? i've only been here a week so im not caught up in ALL of the lore yet) so that could totally happen here.
(On the other end of the realms, poor Shizun Luo Binghe is just. losing his fucking mind over losing his most precious and beloved disciple. About .5 seconds from burning down the peaks himself. somebody sedate him.)
The Endless Abyss sucks and SQQ is having a really terrible time and can feel himself going lowkey mad, but also holy shit look at all this WORLD-BUILDING. look at all this flora and fauna, and oh if he had the equipment for it he'd be writing all of this down. ALL OF IT. He was kinda-sorta-already planning on never leaving the Abyss as some sort of fucked up self-exile and self-preservation thing, but now he might? actually just?? never leave if he can help it, like he lowkey likes it down here.
anyways the next time anyone ever sees SQQ again he's got hair so long its almost touching the ground and he's either in rags and half-feral or he's been completely dolled up by his adoptive succubi sisters and still about three seconds from biting anyone who tries to touch him. (he's also lowkey trying to book it back down to the abyss even if he has desperately missed all of his friends and shizun)
#mxtx svsss#svsss au#scum villian self saving system#shen qingqiu#shen yuan#luo binghe#disciple shen yuan#scum villain#svsss#*points at SQQ/SY* i want him to go nuts. as a treat. let him crumble just a little over the stress of his fate and the stress of survival#and the stress of having a lack of autonomy over a handful of his decisions. starry craves angst and she craves a very specific SQQ angst#he was a number 1 hater back in the day and lbr being a hater takes energyyyy. ive heard that this man was the BIGGEST hater i wanna#see him rip a man to shreds with nothing but his tongue and a voice that could cut marble clean in half. skin a man alive sqq you deserve i#*mortal kombat voice* FINISH HIM#i love without-a-cure but unfortunately i dont think SQQ would be able to have WAC and also survive in the abyss.#the succubi nest that adopted him tried seducing him at first. it didn't work. but he did somehow charm them with his cringefail ways#so now they have a brand new mortal big/little brother to dote on. SQQ is frankly delighted to learn all about succubi culture that doesnt#revolve around sex. he makes quite a few friends/allies in the abyss because of his pure fascination and unbiased desire to learn about#demonic culture and all the different niches and nuances of it across species. he's still going insane tho. like that's not stopping.#there's a single LBH pov chapter in the fic and its frankly so unhinged it was fantastic. he's so possessive. he straight up goes:#'oh SQQ isnt gonna be the next peak lord. he's ascending to heaven with me when i do :)' when Sha Hualing (also peak lord) told him that he#couldn't keep his disciple in the bamboo house all the time. what was SQQ gonna do when LBH ascends and he becomes the new peak lord?#gosh that first chapter is rotating around in my mind so bad. LBH was SO unwell. like losing his actual shit over SQQ near the edge.#i so want to write a oneshot abt this where SQQ is also in hysterics (albeit over slightly diff reasons) and tells LBH on his knees:#'this disciple deeply apologizes to his shizun. for he will not be ascending to the heavens with him.' right before he falls into the abyss#this au being disciple SY is for shits and giggles but i can also see it happening for regular SQQ bc 'fuck it im a dead man either way'#frothing at the mouth at this idea also being a SY-is-SJ au too. for the extra angst of SQQ trying to bear the weight of multiple lives on#his shoulders and trying to figure out what is real and what isn't and if he's meant to suffer in all of his lives no matter what he does.#not once in his life has he ever been free to do what he likes has he? self-hatred to the max. he's going mad. poor boy :]
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#pov: iruka has a rule against dating coworkers and he refuses to break it (no matter how hot they are)#kakairu#kkir
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based on that panelâ˘, moments in between
#laishuro#laios touden#toshiro nakamoto#dungeon meshi#delicious in dungeon#like!!!!#there are 3 drawings of them hugging#just for that scene alone#ryoko kui is onto something#he got praised and a hug then no one else seems to matter bcs why laios only hug himmmmm#namari and kabru probably are just standing there like đ§đ§ get a room#laios tunnel vision activated all i see is shuro my best friend#basically a redraw but from different pov and added some little moments in between the canon ones???#hopefully my drawings are understandable :'D
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Final breath of a dying star
Closeup and lightless + bonus version under cut
#confession. i just started watching his pov and drew this before i got anywhere near when this actually happened in the series#it doesnât matter because just thinking about the summaries of this moment iâve read tears my heart into shreds#guahâŚ#the parallels between astronauts and the divine#tango#tangotek#tangotek fanart#hermitcraft#hermitcraft season eight#hermitcraft fanart#hc s8#my art
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sudden hiatus mb
#five nights at freddy's#fnaf fanart#fnaf#fivenightsatfreddysfanart#five nights at freddys#fnaf foxy#fnaf art#fnaf movie#artists on tumblr#foxy the pirate#foxy the fox#fnaf 1 fanart#fnaf 1 foxy#fnaf 1#pov#hes attempting to hide but the fans spot him no matter how hard he tries
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đđđ đđđđđ & đđđ đđđđ. (sneak peek)
Sylus had carried you through the corridors of the base, his steps heavy with guilt and his shirt drenched in blood as you remained unconscious in his arms. The hunter girl had followed him in his spiritless steps, her eyes wide with confusion over his anguish.
Didnât I do the right thing? she must be thinking, but he was too laden with grief to pay her any attention.
âSylus, why are you doing this?!â she demanded, grabbing his arm to halt his progress. âShe wouldâve killed you. Did you forget?! That girlâs a traitor!â
Although he stopped in his tracks, he couldnât really return her gaze. His eyes could only look at your lifeless ones. âThat girl you shot in the head,â he spoke low and in despair, âis my woman.âÂ
#sneak peek#damn it feels like iâm writing anecdotes with sylusâs pov gahahah#itâs not a laughing matter but mc really gave yn the toji treatment iykyk đ#pew pew
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x reader haters are so silly like. maybe YOU canât write a good story with a good plot and good characterization in second person pov, but i can <3
#idk sounds like a skill issue to me#they complain about the shitty fics like charxchar doesnât have a ton of bad writing in the tags too đ#not that it really matters bc itâs about having fun#itâs just dumb to think one aspect of a fandom is better than the other when weâre all in fact losers#but when u write an oc/reader ur making up an entire character !!! and in a pov youâre not really taught how to write in!!#sounds like you need at least a little bit of talent to do that but ! what do i know
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psa that the day there are no jgy stans left on tumblr dot com is the day i am dead
but rest assured i'll go to my grave exactly as i lived: obnoxiously proclaiming to everyone within earshot how great lianfang-zun is. narratively, metaphorically, spiritually. sexually, too, like why limit myself. i like to keep my options open
#the spirit of su minshan possessed me for a minute there but like. i'm fine with it#jin guangyao#he did crimes??? good for him đ#editing this post to add that while the tone here is clearly joking#i really am fundamentally still engaged with this fandom#and with this book#almost exlcusively because of my enjoyment of jgy#even xiyao is secondary for me like i love it and i'm ride or die for it obvs#but jgy as a character is the main draw for me. and he would have me by the throat even if there was no zewu-jun#(tho i think jgy's life would be more depressing for his absence obviously)#but he is just. /clenches my fists!!!#THE most compelling character in the story and i cannot stop thinking about him!! cannot will not!!#who else in this book has his range? who else can be the doe-eyed idealist AND the spy with blood on his hands who ends a war?#who else is two different greek tragedies and at least two separate shakespearean tragedies rolled into one antagonist#an antagonist who but for the POV of the novel could very easily have been the protagonist#whose moral event horizon is so deeply entwined with his own trauma and abuse that there is no way to meaningfully separate#the violence he does to others from the systemic violence that was done to him for his whole life?#who else in this book manages to get five separate sect leaders utterly obsessed with him no matter how you choose#to interpret that obsession?#no one!!! that's who!!#ain't no one else in the jianghu doing it like lianfang-zun and that's just a goddamn fact
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I fear we're all being a little hard on Bison when we say he shouldn't have called Style a snitch. Not only is "just realized that the guy I was starting to plan my future with is actually a fucking rat" not the best emotional state for calm, nuanced analysis, but tbf Style courting Fadel because he's an informant is actually so much more realistic than "was initially in it for a car and the love of the game." Unfortunately Occam's razor never accounted for comedy.
#from bison's pov he has to look super sus#(not to mention style is kiiind of snitch. he did help & report to kant. not maliciously but i don't think that would matter to bison atm)#the heart killers#the heart killers spoilers#anyway i love you style
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An analysis on c!Owen and his behaviour throughout the Outsiders SMP series!
Some disclaimers before I go into this. There will be spoilers up ahead! I would like to warn anyone reading that this post will mention some blacklisted members from the smp because their characters play a role in showing us about cOwen.
For convenience, all the members mentioned are the characters, not the actual ccs themself. Some of this might seem all over the place, but when the characters learn random parts of themselves at different points it's bound to happen.
Owen has changed a lot as the series has progressed and many find his personality to have changed entirely towards the end, however, this isnât really the case. When we go over his character, we can see his core values have stuck with him throughout the series, so in this post, I will go over how exactly he has changed over time and his character in general.
To make it easier, Iâm gonna split it into 3 parts. Early maze days, the introduction of clearing 2, and post memories.
During the early maze days Owen establishes his character very early on. Right from the beginning, Owen arrives with the demon Rasbi. They are notably one of the three pairs that come up, with most coming up the elevator alone. The first time we see him, Owen immediately takes up a role as a protector, asking if Rasbi knows how to fight in case there is danger up ahead.
In this first section, we can also see that he acts a lot more childish and naive. Heâs very emotional and easily upset by his past. He can be seen jumping on rocks with Mohwee and the others and crying on his first night over his loss of memories. The overwhelmingness of the clearing gets to him. This isnât to say he is some weak, stupid or soft character though.Â
Owen may be naive in believing things should be played in certain ways according to his rules but there are many instances where we can see heâs not stupid. First episode he can immediately recognise what knife Oeca is holding âHey thatâs a throwing knife right? No thatâs a daggerâÂ
After getting more settled in the maze he asks about the mazeâs agriculture, he mentions everyone is unarmed despite fearing the dangers in the maze. He starts asking about protection, armour, shields and notably, âSo this place is safe on the inside? It's safe to walk at night?â Heâs already worried for everyoneâs safety here, he knows the maze is dangerous so is there anywhere thatâs safe?Â
Very early on his past also becomes a very important aspect of his personality. He is probably one of the first to remember anything significant about his past. By episode 2 he is getting flashbacks about how to make a bow. But he makes a javelin first, noting âI think I was a hunter. No, I was an archer. I was a hunter. I was a soldier? I was good at this.â He then proceeds to aim the javelin at Oecaâs name, because at this point he canât fully trust Ocea. He is very quick to violence, although he doesn't want Oeca dead, he certainly canât trust in him.Â
Another important note is that Mohwee is one of the people in the clearing he respected and saw as someone with the ability to act. Which is why we get this interaction where Mohwee calls out âOwen.â and Owen replies with âyes sirâ. His past even without his memories is important and ingrained enough he still acts like this, and this only continues as we go through this section.
The first time they go in the maze as a group is when Apo arrives. This is a very important moment for Owen because their first trip in the maze solidifies his personality throughout this section and maybe even the series. Oeca is shot because Mohwee was careless and brought anyone in. When the group comes back, Owen asks Graecie, âHow many entrances are there to this maze?â After finding out this is the only one that opens, he refuses to let anyone get hurt again and starts blocking it off.
Trust and promises are very important to Owen here too because it's one of the key reasons he blocks off the entrance. Itâs not just Oeca getting hurt, itâs the fact he promised Graecie he wouldn't go in. âI broke my promise.â He also takes Apoâs word very seriously in the mine when he tells Owen he didnât pull the lever. Also because of this he only trusts himself to go in the maze.
When the entrance is blocked off Owen is quick to violence and threatens people if they try to get past him. After finding the old battle axe he starts using it to threaten and intimidate people. âAnyone who goes past this (the gate) i will attackâ
âAnyone else that will, I will just cut downâ are some of the things he says. He punches Mohwee for trying to get past him. When Oeca comes back after Mohweeâs disappearance, Owen follows him with that battle axe trying to talk.
Owen then goes on to say âIâm not looking for violenceâ and âI'm not collecting weapons this was instinctual (points at bow)â he doesn't want people to think heâs dangerous and he knows people are scared of him.
Even if he seems aggressive he still wants to protect others. Owen goes back in the maze to look for Mohwee after he randomly disappears on their way back. âMy job is to protect people and I will do that to the best of my abilities. At every possible stageâ
When Mohwee disappears Owen takes a massive risk to stay in the maze overnight to see if the gates would open. âThe only thing I remember about my life Graecie, is that I was raised to protect people. That's all I remember. And I know it was dumb and stupid to go in the maze but if it got us a step closer to finding Mohwee. I was willing to make that riskâ
So weâve established that Owen cares about the people in the clearing even if he doesn't trust all of them, he wants to protect them and he will do it no matter what. It's the purpose he has given himself in order to be useful.
He knows it doesnât work how he wants it to. People are scared and wary of Owenâs protection. There are multiple instances where he tells his voices, âThey donât get it,â because he knows people donât trust his methods. His method of control is disliked by a lot of people.Â
Ori is one of the main characters to go against Owen. Owen hates this because not only does it risk the safety of others but it goes against his main purpose he gave himself. He takes this job very seriously. So when Ori goes in the maze itâs no wonder Owen becomes very violent.
âOri I'm seriously sorry I will break your legs and I'm very close to it. Are you gonna make me. â
He doesnât see himself to be super aggressive though âPeople think I'm being really aggressive when I talk like âoh hey if you come near me I'm gonna break your legsâ but I'm saying it in the most friendly way I can, you understand that right? I'm not trying to be aggressive with thatâ
âI'm saying like if you do step in here I will have to break your legs. In like a very gentle and I'm very sorry I hate to inconvenience you but I do have to break your legs.â
When Ori sneaks into the maze, Owen talks a lot about his purpose. Things like âDon't, I'll fail them. They'll kill me. My entire purpose here is to stay by this door and stop you from coming in.â
Owen hates to know he is failing the purpose he has given to himself âWhen I discovered I was a soldier that's what I set myself to (protecting others) but what do I have to show for myself? I have tried my hardest to protect these people. And get they look at me and tell me I'm a tyrantâ âyou're not in control, who are you to say what happens?â
He would do anything, even if it meant sacrificing himself. As shown before when Mohwee disappears but also as he protects the gate after the second lever gets pulled he says âI'm going to protect them if I die in the process so be itâ Â
Another note before this section ends is that itâs not just Ori who opposes Owen. Sillvia also talks about Owenâs method of leadership.
Sillvia about Owen: Owen I think you would be great. If not for the fact that you have a militaristic mindset. I don't want to see your leadership spiral into a place where Apo wants. Owen I fear you and I want you to know that. I actually fear you and I don't say that about many people. And ruling should not be through fear. You are a terrifying individual and to see you be in a position of power would be a slope we cannot afford or gamble slipping down. We've seen you tussle with Ori. I know you're a strong individual. You could lead us quite well but it's the risk that comes with your leadership that I am not willing to risk.Â
The perception Owen has of himself differs from how he comes off. It becomes more of an issue later but we can already see this happen.Â
So as clearing 2 is introduced this is what we know about Owen. He was a soldier once, he wanted to protect people in the clearing even if it meant sacrificing himself. Heâs nice to others but his methods are still aggressive and violent, ready to hold a weapon to someone if needed and Owen cares a lot about trust.Â
With the introduction of clearing 2 we can see how Owen changes and develops. Heâs very cautious of clearing 2 members because for all he knows they could have led the creature that destroyed half their clearing in on purpose.Â
Owen also faces betrayal from Apo. We know trust is something Owen values a lot. Itâs mentioned in the early days, and itâs a major part of why he feels so strongly about Apo lying. During the scene where Owen faces Apo after finding he pulled the lever that killed the second clearing, his main issue with Apo isnât the fact that he killed people. It was the fact he lied to him.
âYou lied to me. Why did you do it? No no no I don't care about the lever. Apo why did you lie to me? You're my friend I trusted you. I stayed there. I held your back when oeca said it was you. I put my name on the line. Because we stood together in the mine and I asked you to swear to my face that you didn't do it. And you lied to me. Im meant to be your friend and you lied.âÂ
You can also see what Owen values in a person when they discuss Apoâs punishment and Owen says there's 3 main things he did
- went into maze without group consent
- pulled the lever
- he lied
Owen only adds on at the end that he left Squidney.
With all of this too we see Owen for the first time back away from the job he gave himself. He backs away from leadership, we start to see how tired Owen is from the stress of it all. His reasoning has to do with his trust being broken.
âWhat's the point they're all liars. This entire place is filled with filthy liars. Every single person. All I've ever done is tried to protect themâ
âForget it. I'm done. I'm don't helping people. No I'm not villain, I'm not a hero I'm nothing.
From now on there is no leader of the maze. They put me in charge. My word means nothing to them I'm done.â
âHow am I meant to protect them when I try and stop them with physical force im made out to be some kind of monster. When I try to reason with them I'm made out to be soft.â Â
Owen being viewed as soft has always been something heâs aware of. People tend to think because heâs kind that they can do whatever they want (sneak into the maze etc) and this perception Owen is a soft person develops. Even if heâs emotional and kind weâve seen before in early maze days he is not soft.Â
Owen tries to ignore all his problems but with it he grows more aggressive than before. His tone changes when he speaks about other people to his voices.
âTo visit him would be to acknowledge he exists. And right now the last thing I want to do is consider the fact that this thing lives and breathes and eats and sleeps under my feet. The sooner he wastes away and fades into nothingness the better. I don't see a life going forward with him in itâ - Owen about Apo
âThe more I look around these stupid 4 walls the more I'm reminded that he that. That I trusted him.â
"he's everywhere. It's like a disease. Like it festers. The outside looks fine and you look just below the surface and it's rotting vile and it's himâ
Apo: Just give me a chance.
Owen: why should I? So you can have another tick to the long list of times Owen has naively believed there is some good in the people that infests this clearing? Oeca, mohwee, Bekyamon, Magic, Graecie, Ori, you, liars. All of you.
Iâm not just putting quotes here just for you to see oh trust is important! But more so for you to see that Owen changes when his trust has been broken or when he sees someone as a threat. Some of these things sound very similar to what Owen would say when he gets his memories back. Because to Owen trust and protection are 2 very important values. When that is broken he canât be certain someone isnât a threat.Â
With this change Owen does become more aware he isnât the most approachable person due to his methods. I do want to bring up this quote first thoughÂ
"Can I kill someone? Ive been thinking about this recently I say I'm a soldier. But I've never actually killed anyone. All my life in these 4 walls I've spoken about security and fighting and I can't remember a time I've actually taken someone's life. What if I have to. What if it comes to that I don't think I could stomach it either. I doesn't feel like me. It's not me it's not who I am. No I can't. I'll only attack this person if they do something first. And even then I'll just aim to incapacitate"Â - Owen about Ash
This is an interesting quote from Owen knowing his later actions but itâs not that out of character. If we look at every flashback heâs had so far we can see the life of a soldier is not one heâs always wanted.
Owen to his dad: What if I'm not ready to be your protector? No It's what you've always wanted! What if I wanted to do something else? What if I don't want to be a soldier what about me when do I get to look out for myself.
However he is always ready to attack if he needs to, if it comes to it he would do anything to protect someone. I think that means to kill even if Owen doesnât think so at this point.Â
His notebook btw
Another note about his behavior is that because of how others view him he almost dies from the creatureâs venom. Ayngel even said before Owen is more angry. Other people even though it sounds jokingly say Owen gets grumpy when people disrupt him, leading to no one but Soup to check up on him when he gets stung.
When Bek comes back he doesnât hesitate to do the things he did before. He does what he thinks is right and protects Magic by aiming a javelin at Bek. He says heâs not violent but anytime he feels like heâs in danger he pulls out a weapon. He did it when he was in Soupâs basement, he does it anytime he hears about someone potetially harming Rasbi, and he did it when he heard Oeca attacked Graecie.Â
Owen in general is a fighter at heart. Even if he says he doesnât want to kill anyone he is still ready to attack.Â
Owen: this isn't you Ori. You fight. That's what you do.
Ori: what are you talking about?
Owen: you fight people. When you don't get your way you fight. You and I are the same
At the end of this section, the group decides not to go back in the maze. They had lost Squidney, Oeca, Mohwee, with the presumption that Red, Apo and Graecie were either dead or dying. Owen is tired of it all âEvery Time I've tried to protect someone they've ended dead Kyleâ he tries to hope but he is so tired. This tiredness also explains some things that happen when he gets his memory back.Â
So to summarise before looking at Owen when he gets his memories back, this is what we know about Owen. He wants to protect his friends, he believes in trust a lot, he is both seen as more aggressive and angry these days and soft at the same time, he wants to be a good leader but other people donât listen. Not much has changed since the early maze days, but itâs a more solid character now.Â
When the reunion comes around Owen in the story has finally had a moment to think about everything that happened between him and Apo. His main regret in the series was how he treated him even if he broke his trust.Â
Owen loves to contradict himself a lot but itâs a very human trait he has. He has complex feelings about Apo, and Beks and a lot of people. Yet heâll still offer his protection to them. Itâs because of this the âsuddenâ shift in personality he has becomes very shocking to the audience.Â
Since right before he sees Apo, Owen is very emotional here. Very similar to how he was in the early maze days. Itâs out of his character to hope for something like seeing Apo because he knows itâs very unlikely heâll see him again. However he gives himself this hope, one more chance.Â
When Owen regains his memories the tone shift is obvious. He acts less emotional, he seems more mature. But we do need to consider this is someone who just had a lifetime of memories shoved back in his head and his core values are so strong that Owen doesnât hesitate to act the way he used to.Â
Thereâs lots of similarities to Owen here to the one weâve known. Like his purpose. He sets one for himself immediately after arriving in the clearing. Even as he talks to Apo about his past he talks about his purpose
âI had a purpose once. I was useful, vital, adored. And suddenly everything changed. The world grew tired of blood shed. When all you're good for is violence, when you've been breed into a killing machine, a nation of peace will toss you aside like a spent torchâ
Thereâs an obvious difference here right? The man weâve watched in the maze who wanted to protect his friends just killed his best friend. This is definitely a different person right? Yes and no. Owen hasnât changed that much, and I'll explain why after we go through some more things. But itâs important to note that this isnât a completely new person, this isnât something that is unexpected when we go through the information we already have about Owen.Â
âI know what you are, you are everything wrong in the world has to offer. You are the amalgamation of all the gluttony and lust of humans with the evil and cunning of demons. You stand as a testament to everything vile. You are a disease on the face of this earth and I am it's curseâÂ
Apo: this isn't you you've changedÂ
Owen: incorrect, this is me. The man you manipulated and lied was nothing more than a puppet driven by the instinct to survive.Â
Owen wants protection for his friends. He goes to extreme lengths to keep people safe, so when he remembers demons as this evil creature that will hurt people for their own gain he wasnât going to stand around and do nothing right?Â
Surprising or not this is very in character for Owen if we look at everything else we have from the series. To him, he is still doing his job, the one heâs done since day 1 in the clearing. Just now the threat isnât just the maze and the occasional person, itâs demons.Â
The way Owen became a demon hunter is essential too. He used to live in comfort, and based on past flashbacks he was training to be a soldier even if he didnât fully enjoy it. His mother was a poet and his father was a general. He had grown up hearing all about how terrible demons are, and he didnât understand until his village had been burned down.
One negative interaction with demons had put this deep hatred in his heart for them. Before his memories returned he was ready to forgive Apo, he knew he wasnât as dangerous as he made him out to be. But when the sudden influx of memory comes, he has this past knowledge that Apo is a threat.Â
Since Apo had hurt Owen before this only adds to it. Remember Owen really values trust. Apo has broken that trust in the past, so everything combined and letting go of the final restriction itâs no wonder he kills Apo.Â
Despite this âmassive personality changeâ Owen has, when he returns to the clearing he still makes sure Magic is safe. He doesn't tell people about the lava rising so he wouldnât cause panic. He still cares about these people.Â
But Owen starts to view all the demons as a threat, every demon in the clearing has done something to suggest they could be dangerous. The reason Owen kills Guts is because they poisoned the food at the feast, which led to Magic being poisoned. He carries out this duty for protection
I think another thing people tend to forget about Owen is that he's been slowly breaking apart trying to fit what others want from him as seen in the last section. And it took a major toll on him. His outburst at Magic is one of the ways shown to us how much stress heâs been under. Perhaps even guilt heâs been feeling.
Magic: if you don't you're just putting everyone danger by not leading us⌠in thereâŚ
Owen: danger? You want to talk about putting others in danger? All of this coming from who exactly? The woman who's clearing burnt down under her leadership? The woman who lied about that previous position of leadership as she lacked the spine to correct her friend when she lied? The woman who was tied up and left for dead by that same friend? The woman who swore to protect a stranger only to them shot down in front of her? What the woman who stood still as her friend was ripped apart beside her? Oh yeah the magnitude of your failures Magic is deafening. Do you hear it? When you fall asleep at night, do you hear the screams of the dead who's blood stain your hands? How do you cope? When you find out be a good friend and let me know would you? Been looking for a way to shut them up.Â
Owen does try to justify his actions to his voices even if they donât listen. He knows people here arenât good. Heâs known this since clearing 2 was introduced, but with his memories back he feels like he has to carry on this duty by killing the threat. Thatâs the only way to keep people in the clearing safe right?
Owen to voices: have you stopped to think why I'm doing this? You seem so attached to these creatures, why? What good have they done? These people aren't good people. None of us good people. We're all in here for a reason. Just because you haven't taken your rose tinted glasses off to see that doesn't mean the rest of us haven't.Â
Like before he wonât let anything stop him, even if it means hurting a few people. He doesn't hesitate to pull out a weapon when he hears Ayngel might know him. He canât risk anything ruining his plans because he canât afford to. Heâs so tired. I think at this point anyone that was a major threat to him he would kill.Â
Ayngel: I feel like I recognise you. You and your face from somewhereÂ
Owen: oh? (Starts to pull out knife from his bag)
Ayngel: I've been having this thought and it's got me thinking (Owen pulls out a knife in case)
Ayngel: actually, honestly forget it. It's all a dream and I'm overthinking
The only exception to his thinking is Rasbi. Rasbi actually hasnât done anything wrong to him personally. Sheâs one of the few people that didnât break his trust but he still kills her. Why?Â
First off he doesnât see her as the friend he wanted to protect but instead as something he protected only to kill in the end to fulfil his duty. Her sister is the reason why he ended up in the maze, so even without Rasbi directly harming Owen in any way itâs enough for Owen to kill her. Iâm sure any small mistake or detail would have led Owen to killing any demon, because it only proves his thinking.Â
Owen barely survives after Rasbi attacks him. So as Owen starts planning how to kill Krow he starts going a bit insane. His room is a mess, his mind is a mess and he can barely stand it anymore. We really start to see him fall apart here
Owen: this yolk is a burden is a burden I can't carry for much longer. I'm tired. I want to rest. But I took a pact, I made a promise. A glorious death is his for who his country falls and either I or they thing will have to die before I stop.Â
Something thatâs brought up when discussing the idea of âMaze Owenâ is the fact that we can see âglimpsesâ of him in different interactions. For example when Owen and Krow go out into the maze and Owen spots Puddy he makes sure Puddy doesnât die by keeping him away. Even if heâs aggressive in the scene the fandom interpretation is the care he has for Puddy as âMaze Owenâ slipped through. But Itâs not out of character for him to still show care for people after his memories are returned based on everything weâve seen.
Before âkillingâ off Krow, Owen does say this âThere's no escaping who you areâ Which is really interesting since most characters heâs interacted with will tell him in the maze you can escape who you used to be. Owen knows for a fact no matter what he does in life now he will never have anything outside the maze. Because the world doesnât need him anymore. He kills the demons as his final act of service to the world because he has nothing else to offer.Â
When Krow finally comes back and Owen gets hit in the head he says to the rest of the group âI was protecting you all.â and âYou don't know what they're like! You haven't seen the outside world.â
Looking at his final moments we see that everyone that Owen has cared about doesnât trust him anymore. They donât believe his protection was needed. Heâs told that he will not get out of this cell. Heâs left alone in the silence of the cell. Finally with the time to think. He starts experiencing multiple flashbacks and it makes it hard for him to think.Â
Weâve seen in the past how Owen deals with multiple flashbacks. It gives him a headache or causes him pain in some cases. He also becomes really emotional afterwards. This follows the same case. Except he starts to realize some things.
Krow: I know those eyes. That glint of desperation for approval but knowing it's never coming. We're more similar than you let yourself believe you and I
(Flash back âi was an archer.?â âi was a hunter?â I was a soldier)
âI was a tool. Used.â
He knows heâs going to die soon and he starts to panic. The most important line he says isÂ
âSo what now? This is it!? I deserve to die in battle. I killed them. It was what I. Its just what I was meant to do. I was trained. Should i have? I should have. I should have. I can't think inside my head, it's split in twoâÂ
âSo what voices? What was I before then huh? Was that me? Is that who people trust? People trust that one. Old Owen. Yes? It wasn't me. That wasn't meâ flashback about Apo first coming up
âI can't think. I can't. They trusted him. They trusted him but not me? My headâŚâ
After this he pleads with Magic to let him out. Owen claims âI hurt them, I hurt my friends. Rasbi, Guts. And Apo, Krow I don't know why I did those thingsâ He pleads and cries. And he's desperate
Owen: âNo magic it's me please.âÂ
Magic: âYou kill people owenâ
Owen: âIt wasn't me I'm sorry. I just wanted to keep people safe.âÂ
Owen: âMagic please don't go⌠no⌠magic. You can't do this.â
Magic: âI can and I amâÂ
I think when we look at these final clips thereâs a very important thing happening. Owen is separating himself from the past. He canât understand why his friends donât trust him. Even though nothing has changed. To him his eyes have been opened to the dangers of demons and he fulfilled his purpose.Â
Why does this separation even happen? This is where we move to the final part of this long analysis and look at theories. Thereâs no way I can say for sure this is right or this is wrong. I can only tell you what I think based on the material already there.Â
So before I go into this I have to emphasize I am not saying you can't refer to earlier Owen as maze Owen to explain Owen at different periods of his life. I'm saying when we really look at it, maze Owen doesn't exist since they're the same person.Â
So what am I talking about? The concept of âmazeâ Owen has been around for a long time. Even ccOwen talks about his character like that. The idea that just because Owen didnât have his memories that he was some sweet, soft guy that needs to be babied is something that affects a lot on how you view him as a character.Â
'maze' Owen doesn't actually exist because it's a way that Owen has come up with to justify to himself how he could have cared for demons without shattering his ideals. This is confused with Owen have distinct personalities and missing how he hasn't strayed from his ideals since the start with his idea of protecting everyone.
To separate that period of Owen's life in the maze ignores the fact that the characteristics you see in Owen post reunion are the same from before but taken to the extreme.
He's always been capable of âevilâ'. It's the same as every other character in the series. We don't separate them like we do with Owen. Every character in the series is inherently morally gray, they do things out of desperation to survive. You can never say someone is 100% good or bad.Â
Owenâs same mindset of 'I need to protect the people I care about because they're in danger now' carries through. After the reunion in his head demons are no longer part of that group he wants to protect.Â
The separation of 'maze' and post reunion Owen forgets even in the post memory phase he had the ability to love like 'maze' Owen had. He released Puddy, he started a small farm, he started to relax. It's all part of him.
In his final moments he says a few important things to note. The first being "I was a tool. I was trained. Should I have... I should have." And then right after "I can't think in my head it's split in two"
It seems some take this as 'maze' Owen coming back and fighting with Owen on should he have killed Apo and the others. However rather than 'maze' Owen coming back i think it's this internal conflict he has with himself and his ideals.
Before he says this he's getting flashbacks to the early maze days where he showed kindness to demons. Something he would never let himself do in the past outside the maze. And something he would never do after he remembers it all.
Then he says to the voices "Is that who people trust? Old Owen" while those memories are playing. The voices respond saying they miss that Owen and he replies "Yes? That wasn't me" this is possibly where it further adds to the whole 'maze' Owen is a different person thing.
Rather than facing the fact that his thinking doesnât make sense anymore he separates himself from those memories. As soon as Owen accepts that demons are not these creatures that betray and kill you at any moment, his life has no purpose.
Owenâs thinking comes from the manipulation and propaganda he's been fed. In his final episode we get these quotes which show just how much his thinking revolves around protection and also showing what years of training did to him.
He understands he was a tool that was used. He's well aware everything he is doing may not have a purpose and yet he still plays this part. He can't break away from that thinking because if he lets himself, Owen has to face the fact that his whole life had no true meaning.
That is a terrifying thing to do. He has been in this environment for so long you canât just take him out of it.Â
Going over everything you can access in Owenâs pov, we know that before gaining his memories Owen is a person that cares deeply about his friends, he risks himself to protect them, he wonât hesitate to hold a weapon against someone he sees as a threat. Owen thinks trust is an important value to have, he takes it very seriously. But we also know that not everyone likes Owen and his leadership. Heâs seen with a military mindset, people donât want to upset him and it nearly costs his life.
Now letâs compare that with the Owen we get to know after his memories return. He wants to protect the people he deeply cares about, he risks himself to protect them, he doesnât hesitate to hold a weapon against someone that he sees as a threat, only now the threat is demons. When we start looking at these differences, yes, Owen when he regains his memories is different, his tone changes, he murders people. But those core values weâve seen throughout the series stay with him.
Itâs one of the reasons why Owen canât understand why no one in the clearing is on his side. He protected them against the threat they didn't know about. That is his purpose, and thatâs what heâs good for. Remember right at the beginning of the series Owen sets his purpose to protect these people, now this is still the same. He views demons as a threat because he hasnât had good experiences with them. Even if Apo became his friend in the clearing, Apo ends up lying to Owen, and betraying his trust. Guts became his friend but Guts tried to poison Magic. Owen has never fully trusted Krow and that distrust only furthers once he knows what Krow is capable of based on his experiences with demons.
So letâs go back to the previous question: who was it there? Youâre probably thinking well how do you explain maze Owen and the chips. ccOwen has mentioned before that it's a possibility for the chips to alter memories. Maybe Starr suppressed those memories and maze Owen was there again. Or he was hit hard on the head right? Maybe his chip was damaged and it altered his emotions and memory.
There is too little known information to us as an audience about the chips in their head. We know they can supposedly make the outsiders lose track of time, alter their memories, their emotions and change how they act. But if the chips in their head is the explanation for everything then why does Owen remember killing his friends when he talks to Magic? He says it like he wasn't the one doing it, like he watched someone else do it. How do you explain his behaviour then? If the damaged chip really made him act like that then why do flashbacks still occur when he's in prison? He seems to have no control over those, so the chip must still work fine?
I think when we look at his character the maze has already changed him whether he likes it or not. Thereâs more doubt in him than before. He lets Apo go with extra time. He hesitated before he ran after him. No matter how small, he has changed.
But when Owen talks about himself in the past he makes this separation. The voices in his head won't stop calling for the guy they used to know, even though he's right here. I think Owen doesn't even want to acknowledge at one point he was friends with the demons he hated so much.Â
In that prison cell all his ideals and values are facing him. Everything he's done and he's known has been a lie. I think he knows this but can't bring himself to acknowledge that. Would you admit what you thought for your entire life was wrong? That you killed countless for nothing?
When faced with death Owen becomes desperate. Which I think explains his behaviour with Magic. That is his last hope and he knows people like the older version of him. I don't think he's fully lying though when he says i don't know why I did those things. Not because maze Owen came back or anything but because in the maze he no longer has this duty but he still carries it out. He's so tired from it all and he wants to leave it behind but he can't.
So let's go over his death scene one more time. âMy head it's split in twoâ I think the explanation for this is that he was just hit with a bunch of flashbacks of his first days. Right before this he also says âI was a tool. Usedâ I believe in his final moments where he has a moment to think he starts to fight himself. Should he have done all this for a country that throws him away the second he's useless? He was trained to do this. But should he have really? That's what I think is making him say my head it's split in two. He's fighting his own views and alongside these positive memories it makes him confused. And overwhelmed.
It's important to note Owen doesn't have a single bad flashback about Apo and Rasbi. He doesn't think about the levers, he thinks about his friends that he met. That he protected.
The more flashbacks he gets the more defensive he becomes. âI'm right here you can't convince me otherwiseâ He doesn't understand why the Owen in his memories is trusted so much, even though they're the same person. In his mind he's doing what he's always done. protect.
âIt wasn't me I'm sorry I just wanted to keep people safeâ everything he says to Magic is half genuine and half lie. I don't think even Owen knows which parts are which. It's easier if he separates himself into the nice trusted Owen and who he is now.
No matter what in the end, that was Owen. Not Maze Owen but Owen who is desperate to live. He's tired of it all. He's finished his mission and he won't even get to see what he thinks will be an honorable ending for him.
Remember what Owen says to Apo? "The man you manipulated and lied was nothing more than a puppet driven by the instinct to survive."
So of course he'll do anything to survive even if it means playing up the truth.
It's hard to separate Owen into these neat boxes and say for sure that was Maze Owen at the end or that was full manipulation. Because like Owen everything is a bit grey here. Maze Owen wasn't the best person, he hurt his friends, people were scared of him. And post memories Owen isn't some misunderstood guy that needs babying either.Â
My final thoughts on this debate is that in the end the one that pleads for his life is just Owen. To separate him and say it was Maze Owen doesn't allow you to understand how complex Owen is as a character. And continues to let you believe that Owen can't do anything wrong. Not understanding sometimes a good person is capable of this evil. To the end Owen still believed he was doing what was right and that was protecting the ones he cared about. So has anything really changed since the start?
#zara rambles#outsiders smp#outsiders smp spoilers#owengejuicetv#okay if you read this whole thing just know this was about 6k words sjdfhsd#i spent a looooong time writing this mainly cause i started in july got busy with school and continued it last week. along with rewatching#owens pov to get everything here. the original document with all my notes is like 12k long because cOwen looooves to talk#i'm open to other people's opinions obviously like i said i could be wrong but this is just how i see it based on the episodes we have on y#it's kinda unfair to expect people to know random knowledge buried deep in some 4 hour vod from 2 years ago so everything here is from yt#with the exception that one fighting cOri quote since Owen deleted that section from his yt series. but it was originally there#idk what else to say really. i'm not the biggest fan of the whole 'maze' owen thing as you can tell by this and many other posts of mine#i think its fine to call him that but you gotta understand there aren't actually 2 different people. thats the tldr#anyway ty for reading wish me luck when i post this on twitter#oh sorry for no videos tumblr hates those so you guys only got the quotes đ still the same stuff though so it doesn't really matter sjdjdj
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and also "putting everyone in a simulation will make it all ok đ" and also "let's park next to this random system's sun" and also "we can't live on our own planet because of our own folly" and so on
#and also an inablity to accept the inevitable...etc etc#i thought of some more but then i forgot them đ#originally wanted to post this with other sillies but then i was like. well i dont wanna spoil anyone on either a these games so erm. ya#nine sols#outer wilds#nine sols spoilers#outer wilds spoilers#outer wilds echoes of the eye#echoes of the eye spoilers#echoes of the eye#if youve played nine sols could i recommend outer wilds: a space exploration game where u play as a cute and short lookin alien whos#unraveling the mysteries of their solar system although there isnt any combat and although there are horrors theyre not like. well.#nobodies bein harvested thats for sure. and its very much about the story#and if youve played outer wilds uhh. i. dont really know if i can recommend nine sols even though i Can summarize it as a game where u do#explore and there is space and u Are an alien (from a humans pov) and you Are cute and short (from a humans pov)(until u learn the horrors)#and there Are horrors but erm. well. shrug emote. it Is a combat game thats the primary reason#the horrors are less the horrors of space and how easy it is for you to die and the idea of said causes of death and also the unknown. and#more the sins of some REALLY fucked up cats. ethically dubious science sins. actual guts bein spilled. i mean i aint actin like the warning#of the game id recommend lookin those up. sure is a game tho (i cried)(just like w outer wilds)#feels like i could recommend a non combat game to a combat game player easier than the other way round#the theoretical combat game player would be capable of playing a non combat game right#feels harder to imagine the other way around. then again i Did find outer wilds mechanically difficult at times in a way that combat games#can challenge me. so. shrug#all that matters is if u enjoyed the dialogue n interactions in nine sols...if u didnt vibe w that then im unsure how much outer wilds woul#vibe for you. etc etc#idk why i started typing up a whole ass recommendation in the tags. anyway have at ye#idk who'd read this far but i salute you FSDHLFSDHKSFDH
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