#post-crisis jason reading

[thedynamicduo]

what a freak honestly

[daisybell-on-a-carousel]

"Jason was the happy robin" this, "jason was the angry robin" that. Let's all be fully honest here Jason was the lonely robin

[welcometogrouchland]

Was skimming through some Dixon era BoP for no particular reason and came across a scene where 3 DIFFERENT MEN (Dick Grayson, Ted Kord and Jason Bard) all show up to Babs' door at almost exactly the same time bc they're all in love with her.

Birds of Prey (1999) #19

Which is, A) really funny on its own and B) actually extremely based from a representational view. Oracle was important as disability rep in comics for a lot of reasons, one of which being that she got mad bitches in her wheelchair. She had too much swag and they had to kill her

[kara-zor-els]

Dick Grayson (Nightwing) and Jason Todd (Robin) in Batman (1940) #416

Bonus:

[brucie-baby]

I've got a lot of thoughts about "Robin gives me magic!" and absolutely none of them are coherent but I'm sharing them anyway.

So for context: this line comes from a story in which Calendar Man is planning to kill Jason, and Bruce tells him that he can work the case but not out in the field. There's a whole thing here where Jason gives Bruce the silent treatment until Bruce calls him immature and sends him to his room. That night, Bruce apologises and explains that he can't lose Jason, and that sometimes Batman has to go out alone. Jason says he understands but sneaks out anyway, planning to take Calendar Man on his own.

When he gets back to the cave (after Bruce has been searching for him despite bleeding out), Bruce tries to scold him. This is where he says that line, and that Robin lets him do things he'd never have dared before. Bruce says that it sounds like recklessness, and Jason says no, just maturity. There's a few more bits here that I have a lot of thoughts on but these are the most relevant parts of it.

The thing I find so interesting about this is actually from a different comic from a little while before. There's this guy, Collins, who wears Catman's costume and believes it has this magical ability to give him nine lives. Collins narrowly avoids death several times (e.g. nearly hit by a truck, almost crushed by rocks) and he thinks it's the suit's doing, but actually, it was Batman following and saving him every time. While they're fighting and Collins is insisting that the suit gives him magic, Bruce thinks, "I've created a monster - he's completely reckless - unwilling to concede there's any danger his costume can't handle!"

Now I also have a lot of thoughts on this that I might get into when it's not five in the morning but the main one is this: "Robin gives me magic" is not proof of Jason being the happy, chill Robin. This is him giving Bruce grey hairs in real time. This is him thinking that he's nearly invincible. To me, this would've been the perfect point to start shifting him into his post-crisis self. I think Jason's too complicated to label him as just reckless but also? I would not say it's wrong to. He is occasionally reckless and he does act without thinking sometimes. And just to clarify, this isn't criticism. I love pre-crisis Jason. He's my little guy. That's why I hate it when he's just boiled down to 'the happy Robin' (and the fact that it's a stupid label for any of the Robins, please let go of that), because he's been stressing Bruce out since day one. Like, this is the kid who said "if you don't make me Robin I'm doing to run away to the circus," and then did. And post-crisis he's very explicitly written as violent and reckless. He's always been a menace, don't take that away from him!!

[mikakuna]

the transition from being an avid manga reader where there's only one author for the entire series to becoming a comic reader where there's a billion different universes, writers, and characterizations for a single character is!!!!! not for the weak (me)

[fantastic-nonsense]

I take the piss out of Jason so much I feel like I have to occasionally reassure everyone that I do genuinely love him and think he's great. he's just an extremely easy target

[mzminola]

I am going insane over how much Cassandra Cain & Jason Todd have in common.

Became street kids approximately age eight? Yep! Spent time as specifically Gotham street kids? Yep! Associate leaving street life with becoming a caped vigilante working with Batman? Yep! Get mentoring from Barbara Gordon? Yep! Though who they proportionately spent more time with is pretty different for that part.

Fucked up relationship with parents? Yep. Has died for real? Yep. Been in the Lazarus Pit? Yep. Death can be blamed on parents? Yep!

Cass was killed directly by her birth mother Lady Shiva, and later by her brother (relationship via both being trained/raised by her father David Cain). Jason wasn’t killed directly by a parent, but he was targeted by the Joker due to being Robin (therefore targeted due to Batman, Bruce, his dad) and directly betrayed by his birth mother Sheila.

Cass is revived once by Shiva building up chi & striking Cass in exactly the right spot, and once by Shiva putting her in a Lazarus Pit. Jason is revived by Superboy Prime punching the fourth wall, and additionally healed by Talia putting him in a Lazarus Pit.

Have they both spent some time being outright villains? Yep! Cass’s villainy was explained later as some mind control / brainwashing / drugging, while Jason was credited with his own decisions. Both of them work with the League of Assassins during their villain eras, and physically fight with Tim while speaking (either aloud or in their internal narration) positively of him.

They both wrestle with the idea of killing people; Cass after doing so as a child, not understanding until it was too late, Jason before doing so, coming back from the dead with a different understanding of the stakes.

They have so much going on, I love them.

[jasontoddenthusiastt]

Detective and baby detective

Batman #387

[beeceit]

"I want my fics to have as accurate to canon characterization I can possibly write. I'm reading literally every tim drake appearance pre new52 before I publish this fic to make sure I really understand him. I'm making the most coherent timeline I can out of canon events to make this work"

[remembers what Jason Todd was like in 2009 when red robin dropped]

"....one exception"

[thedynamicduo]

they're a little cute

[nyerusnova]

I can't stop laughing over these panels from DC #565 out of context where Jason is making out with his gf and having a great time, while Bruce is back in the Batcave staring sadly at a cat-shaped stalagmite because Selina wouldn't hang out with him LMFAOOOO

Pre-Crisis was so fuckin unintentionally hilarious. And context honestly just makes it better, because Jason was annoyed that Bruce would get all mooney over Selina, so figured "yo fuck this? gonna go hang with my girl then" and then Selina starts giving Bruce the cold shoulder so he's just left all lonely and pathetic I love it dkdjejdldks

(Jason and Bruce get over themselves pretty quick and go back to being the dynamic duo, not to worry lol)

[bamboozled-distress]

dick PASSING the mantle of robin to Jason. dick by his own choice giving it away to Bruce’s protege. dick witnessing the struggle of jason finding himself and giving him a part of him to help him through the mantle of being batmans partner. dick saying good bye to bruce and comforting him letting him know that he wants to give robin away. pre-crisis was such a wonderous time.

[horsechestnut]

My biggest comic pet peeve might be whenever they try to insinuate that Barbara being Batgirl had any bearing on the events of The Killing Joke.

[gece-misin-nesin]

hey! i have a few questions as someone who hasn't really read the comics but what exactly is the pit? and also i don't think there's a clear number but how long after jason died did tim become robin/how long after jason died did he come back to life?

i just wanted to ask you since you seem very well-versed in jason's comics and i wanted to get into them! but if you don't have the answers, no biggie! thanks anyways <3

Tbh I'm not very well versed in comics myself, so I advise you to do your own research as well but basically:

1)The Lazarus Pit. This is the one I know the least about because it was introduced alongside Ra's al Ghul in 1972. It has had A LOT of changes to it like how sometimes it's alchemic(?) creation and how sometimes it is natural, sometimes it can bring back the dead, sometimes it cannot, sometimes it is green and sometimes(in lost days for example, the comic where we see jason's returen to life) it's orange/goldish. In lost days, it does NOT bring jason back from the dead, because he has already come back by that point, but he has brain damage and is catatonic. Ra's grows impatient w Jason's lack of progress and wants to "get rid of him" and Talia sees no choice besides throwing Jason into the pit to heal his injuries. And the rest is history. Note that a concept of "pit madness" is not present in utrh nor in lost days. I think it is brought up in a later post-crisis comic(btfc maybe?) but don't quote me on that.

2)Lost days places Jason's resurrection(him digging out of his grave) at 6 months after his death. I don't know when Tim becomes robin, you should look at "A Lonely Place of Dying" for that but I think it was around the same time as Jason's resurrection, maybe a bit later.

Thanks for the ask!!

[dailyjasontodd]

Any update on the card for Jason Todd for fic research and stuff?

it's certainly coming together 😊 finishing pre-crisis right now and post crisis is done so its only modern comics after that. heres how the draft is looking