#batman 367

[doesthebatfamknowpopculture]

Jason Todd has read the Sherlock Holmes stories/novels

[sascha-reads]

Bruce calls him son 🥹

[pokeberry5]

i feel like i never draw tim smiling but bb robin tim smiles a lot! (in between angst and tragedy)

brought to you by my continued attempts at figuring out tim’s early robin hair

[spooky-kakashi]

the younger sibling curse of never measuring up

[brucie-baby]

[Forget your faith in me. I took you with me because I was vain.]

batman: #367, #368, #368, #426, #426, #426, #408, #427 & doctor who

[flashfuture]

Jason Todd as Robin ... the first time

[I previously addressed how before the original Crisis Jason Todd was introduced to the world.] The world being Earth One and this Jason Todd is much different to the Jason of New Earth who smacked Batman with a tire iron. He has red hair

But this is the tale of how Jason was awarded the title of Robin the first time around.

It begins with Dick Grayson. Wally West has just quit the Titans because he's losing his powers. And Dick has an announcement of his own.

(New Teen Titans vol 1 #39)

Dick has been Robin since he was 8 years old but he can't be Batman's kid partner forever. "Costume, you and I have gone through a Lot together. Sure hope your new wearer doesn't abuse you as much as I did." He already has a successor picked out of course

But Bruce is maybe not so on board not at first.

(Batman #363)

Jason is rather peeved he isn't allowed to do anything in this new place he's been put and reminds Alfred he can just go back to the circus

(Batman #363)

Still Jason sneaks out to assist Bruce with his Batmaning which is Not appreciated. Bruce realizing that maybe the orphan he took in at eight shouldn't have been fighting crime and trying to stop his new child actually makes So So much more sense than fired an adult Dick Grayson to protect him and then hired a twelve year old to replace him

(Batman #363)

Anyways Jason is pissed and makes a break for it back to the circus. "... Not every conversation with a clown in funny." hilarious narration and excellent unintentional foreshadowing

(Detective Comics #530)

Bruce realizes Jason ran away and is like 'Let's go get him back before the police realize we are almost kind of holding a child hostage. And by we I mean you Alfred okay bye.'

(Detective Comics #531)

Then after a fight that was with some lions and other evil villains this circus has a rough time. Bruce agrees Jason can have a chance at being his partner.

(Batman #366)

Jason is bored waiting around for Batman partner training and goes and fucks around in Dick's room.

(Batman #366)

What he found was evidently one of Dick's costumes and hair dye? So to note Jason dyed his own hair black just to prove himself nobody made him.

(Batman #366)

Anyways SUPER important because I'm so Mad they changed this and the fandom gets in a tizzy about it to this day. But Bruce was pissed Jason dressed up as Robin. "But at the very first opportunity, you will remove that costume. You had no right to wear it in the first place. Becoming my new parter is one thing...stealing someone else's very identity is another-- and one I won't allow." Bruce was incredibly protective of Dick's claim to Robin.

(Batman #367)

Just want to say Jason's first suggestion of an alternative sidekick name was "Ishmael"

(Batman #368)

Jason is listing out other names he could be called and Bruce doesn't like any of them.

(Batman #368)

But here comes Dick Grayson and he comes bearing gifts.

(Batman #368)

He has a suit and a name for Jason Todd to use happy to give permission while also pleased with Bruce's protectiveness.

(Batman #368)

Like this meant a whole lot to Bruce and Dick as well as Jason. Dick was nearly crying from Bruce's sincerity and gratefulness.

(Batman #368)

And now it's time for Dick Grayson to take his leave.

"So long, Robin. Be great."

[camphorcapstan]

pre- reboot jason :)

panel from batman 367 ↓

[pub-lius]

Hey, so recently I saw a post about the misogyny of hamilton, so I wanted to ask you if it was true. Not the part of misogyny (because in that time it was normal, I guess), but rather how much was? (does make sense?), did it affect the relationship with eliza or with her daughters?

Thankyu!!! (Muak)

hm okay so im not completely sure what you mean but i am going to do my darndest

So, in the time period which Hamilton was alive, which is the latter half of the 18th century, there definitely was a profound attitude of misogyny, but it was very different from what we know today. Most of our idea of sexism comes from the religious revivals of the 20th century (and people who know me know how i feel about the godforsaken 20th century when it comes to history). This is yk your typical idea of a housewife being at home, taking on the burdens of homemaking and child rearing and basically keeping everything together at home while the husband worked a stressful 9 to 5 and didn't do shit at home and weaponized incompetence and implicit biases and yadayada

This was not the case in the 18th century! 18th century gender roles are very different from what we're used to, and even more different than what the Victorians and Edwardians considered the norm. This is especially visible in Hamilton's relationship with women, so I'm quite excited to talk about this.

Firstly, I want to talk about the joker to my batman: Ron Chernow. A major theory he supports in his biography of Hamilton is the two sided nature of Hamilton's perception of women. He says that there is a clear distinction between two "types" of women in Hamilton's wife-- the good, Christian mistress of the house and the stupid, mentally unstable skank. These are his terms. I want to hit him in the head with a brick.

"Together, the two eldest [Schuyler] sisters formed a composite portrait of Hamilton's ideal woman, each appealing to a different facet of his personality. Eliza reflected Hamilton's earnest sense of purpose, determination, and moral rectitude, while Angelica exhibited his worldly side- the wit, charm, and vivacity that so delighted people in social intercourse." -Ron Chernow, Alexander Hamilton, page 133

Yeah, this is horseshit. It gets worse when he compares Elizabeth Hamilton and Maria Reynolds on page 367, but I'm not going to get started because I won't stop. And this isn't about him anyway.

Instead, I want to talk about WHY this is horseshit. First of all, even Alexander "thinks with the wrong head" Hamilton didn't have this fucked up mindset, because it is heavily based in 20th century evangelicalism that didn't even exist in Hamilton's world.

Yes, obviously there was religious attitudes that condemned certain actions from women, but this was not as intense as in later periods. In the 18th century, an upperclass woman, such as Elizabeth Hamilton, would be responsible for maintaining the household, but this meant being in charge of the servants rather than doing the work herself. The work she did do would be maintaining the finances and the family's reputation.

Reputation was everything in the 18th century, and this especially applied to women. Not only did they have to maintain their own reputations, but they had to raise their children to have the skills necessary to do the same, and often had to fill in for their husbands in this department if they held public office. It's very difficult to maintain your reputation if you're beating people with walking sticks in the Continental Congress.

When it came to lower and middle class women, their jobs weren't different in that they carried an equally important role in the family. They would be doing household chores just as well as their husband, and these weren't easy chores that made women "feeble". They very often took a lot of physical strength and endurance, and it wasn't considered unladylike for women to do "men's" chores while their husbands were away. This isn't to say that women in later eras didn't do the same, but it wasn't as publicly frowned upon.

Hamilton had a very unique perspective as he was witness to both sides of this coin. His mother, a single, working class mother would be juggling both the man and woman's role. I think it was really this background that allowed him to have a much more informed perspective on womanhood. He was one of the few men in this period that I've seen write from the perspective of a woman, specifically a grieving mother.

"For the sweet babe, my doting heart Did all a mother's fondness feel; Careful to act each tender part And guard from every threatening evil. But what alas! availed my care? The unrelenting hand of death, Regardless of a parent's prayer Has stopped my lovely infant's breath-" -Papers of Alexander Hamilton, volume 1, page 43.

Chernow attributes this to Hamilton's deeply empathetic nature, which is fair, however I think it also shows that he was able to understand a woman's experience specifically.

I say this because Hamilton does tell us a little bit about exactly what was expected of women in the time during Elizabeth's first pregnancy in a letter that is usually used to call him a sexist, but I think it's a little more complex than that. Here's the excerpt:

"You shall engage shortly to present me with a boy. You will ask me if a girl will not answer the purpose. By no means. I fear, with all the mothers charms, she may inherit the caprices of her father and then she will enslave, tantalize and plague one half [the] sex, out of pure regard to which I protest against a daughter. So far from extenuating your offence this would be an aggravation of it." -Alexander Hamilton to Elizabeth Hamilton, October 12, 1781

In this letter, Hamilton isn't telling Elizabeth that he wants a boy to inherit his fortune, to carry on his name, or the other reasons that were given by his contemporaries for preferring sons over daughters. He specifically states that his reasons are his fear that his traits will be passed onto his children, and that if its a daughter, she will be more discriminated against than his son because of her sex. Essentially, it was easier to be a gay son in the 18th century than a thot daughter. In that question, Hamilton would choose gay son because he knew that men were generally less criticized than women.

So, I'm not saying Hamilton wasn't sexist, because, by definition, he was. He was taught that women were fundamentally different than men, but he didn't look down on women for that, because that simply wasn't normal. You wouldn't be a gentleman if you looked down on a woman for being physically and psychologically different from a man, you'd be an asshole. While their interpretations of these differences don't align with what modern medicine has determined, they weren't the same as in the later eras in American history. Women were, most certainly, oppressed because of these perceived differences, but it was a different system of oppression than what typically defines our idea of sexism.

It's hard to say if it affected Hamilton's relationship with his wife and daughters, as there isn't any real written proof, but I imagine Hamilton's attitude specifically towards women did make their relationship different than other fathers, daughters, husbands, and wives of the time. We do know that Hamilton was a very hands on father who dedicated a lot of time and care towards his children, and he did not treat his daughters any differently than his sons. He put the same amount of energy into their education, though they weren't educated in the same thing, and he seemed to be equally close with all his children.

Hamilton and women is a very interesting topic, and it gets more complicated when it comes to Rachel Faucette and Maria Reynolds and those parallels, but that is a topic for another time. Good thing its women's history month! Hope this helped :)

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Baby Jason being a little nerd

Batman Vol 1 #367

Batman Vol 1 #383

Batman Vol 1 #411

Batman Vol 1 #413

Batman Vol 1 #371

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Pre-Crisis Jason Todd becomes Robin, the Saga! 😄

Pause the video to read it.

Batman (1940-2011) #357. "Squid."

Detective Comics (1937-2011) #524. "Deathgrip."

Batman (1940-2011) #358. "Don't Mess With Killer Croc."

Detective Comics (1937-2011) #525. "Confrontation."

Batman (1940-2011) #359. "Hunt."

Detective Comics (1937-2011) #526. "All My Enemies Against Me!"

Batman (1940-2011) #364. "The Man Of A Thousand Menaces."

Detective Comics (1937-2011) #531. "The Face Of The Chimera."

Batman (1940-2011) #365. "Ruins."

Detective Comics (1937-2011) #532. "Laugh, Killer, Laugh!"

Batman (1940-2011) #366. "The Joker Is Wild."

Detective Comics (1937-2011) #533. "Look To The Mountaintop."

Batman (1940-2011) #367. "The Green Ghosts Of Gotham."

Detective Comics (1937-2011) #534. "Brambles."

Batman (1940-2011) #368. "A Revenge Of Rainbows."

Detective Comics (1937-2011) #535. "A Hole In A Quilt Of Madness."

[nikrei]

Obsessed with how the pre-crisis robin transfer happens honestly. You've got the traditional new robin steals the suit and goes out without permission:

(Batman 366)

But, wildly Bruce uses his words and they talk to each other! They disagree! They talk it out! They hug it out!

(Batman 366)

Jason goes back to his cute Jason not!Robin costume:

(Batman 367)

They brainstorm hero names together! And they are so so bad at it:

(Detective Comics 534)(I don't think bluejay and cardinal are awful, Jason!)

Then Dick shows up! The Titans are smack in the middle of Judas Contract, Wally has just quit, and Dick has hung up his mantle as he considers his identity as an adult. He gets a voice in what happens to his identity! He personally hands over the costume and gives his blessing!

(Batman 368)

Emphasis is put on the importance on legacy

(Batman 368)

It's just handled with way more nuance than it ever is after this, which makes sense! It's the first time this has happened in comics! Dick's been robin for more than 40 years! Everyone loves him, of course the writers are gonna be careful about it this time! I just wanna bring some of that energy to all the other hand offs.

[doesthebatfamknowpopculture]

Jason Todd has read Moby Dick

[captainlordauditor]

Trick or Treat! 🧙

Batman #367 by Moench, Newton, and Roy!

[moonilit]

Im reading more about Jason and just wanted to read from his origins and all that, which yes i know this is pre crisis and it all going to be retconned in a minute but its way too funny to me what I found

both these two different issues where published December 1983

New Teen Titans #37

And Batman #366

And apparently Bruce DID respect Dicks wishes and did not allow Jason to just take Robin

Then next issue Batman #367 January 1, 1984

Idk why jason just continued to dye his hair black ig its too late to go back now, so basically Bruce give him a chance but not as Robin, as a new partner with a new custom and name.

and he wanted to be called ISHMAEL 😭 idk if he referring to the character from the Moby-Dick novel but in any case. Non of the names stick, like they go do their thing and close up a case and everything and Bruce STILL can’t digest any of them. Which gonna be real, Jason was quite chill about this because he just start brainstorming new ones like ‘what? Ishmael didn’t cut it? A mouthful when in danger ok’ like :( I really liked Ishmael tho, bruce you brood.

problem solved when DC hold a gun to dicks head and tell him to just let Jay have the name:

So I just wanna say, that if you ever wrote or thought that Jason todd look back at his younger more naïve self and get embarrassed that he wore the leotards. Just know that its actually worse, because Jason Todd stood there saying “WWWOW” With sparkling eyes and WILLINGLY, with all his mental capacities chose the leotards over his own personalized custom. Like where is the sibling bullying for that fanfiction???

Dick: feast your eyes on my Spiffy custom Jason:

THEN DICK JUST FUCK OFF 😭😭😭 its so unserious 😭😭😭

[spooky-kakashi]

oohh foreshadowing how you plague me

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Forgive Me All My Sins

by FireFlerg899 “I don’t deserve you.��� Bruce says, hoarsely. Like it was torn out of him. It’s the truth. Words: 367, Chapters: 1/1, Language: English Series: Part 1 of A New Age AU Fandoms: Original Work, Batman: The Dark Knight Returns (Comics) Rating: General Audiences Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply Categories: Gen Characters: Carrie Kelley, Bruce Wayne Relationships: Carrie Kelley & Bruce Wayne Additional Tags: Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence, Alternate Universe - Everyone Lives/Nobody Dies, Aged-Up Character(s), Post-Canon, Father-Daughter Relationship, Angst and Hurt/Comfort, Bruce Wayne Tries to Be a Good Parent, dark knight strikes again didnt fucking happen bc cringe via https://ift.tt/M7ujW5f