#platonic taekook

[dearweirdme]

Anon,

Aside from loving Tae and Jk, I’m also a Larrie. I just lived through Harry Styles and Olivia Wilde fake dating very obviously for (coincidentally) almost exactly two years. I’ve seen stuff 😂. I can absolutely handle two idols holding hands for a minute.

[jeonscatalyst]

Someone just told me that if a joker says things like…

“Jikook are in their own world”

“Jungkook pays attention to Jimin”

“Jungkook does whatever Jimin wants”

“Jungkook gives Jimin princess treatment”

“Jungkook doesn’t know what to do with himself when Jimin is not around”

“There is no platonic explanation for Jungkook having Jimin’s name on his chest”

….A taekooker is found kicking, screaming and popping veins somewhere. Their insecurities have gotten so loud that jokers cannot even make throw away statements or harmful jokes about Jikook anymore because what do you mean you are having a whole mental breakdown on your blogs because jokers say “jungkook treats jimin like a princess”? Whose fault is it that Jungkook gets back from a trip and cooks for Jimin? Whose fault is it that Jimin that when Jimin tells Jungkook he wants to do a travel show Jungkook accepts? Whose fault is it that Jungkook was walking around in a towel with a big “Jimin” written accross his chest? Whose fault is it that everyone noticed how different things were when Jimin was around Jk in AYS and when he wasn’t? You don’t see jokers going crazy when the cult says that Jk was snoring in Tae’s bed at 3am or when they claim that the Dream premiere (where Jk went back to his own house after and started a Live at 4am) was a taekook soft launch! 💀

Taekookers can say the most unhinged things like, Tae gave his wooga squad ring to Jk to wear on his pinky on his way to debut, or they can make up things in their heads and believe like claiming that Jk went straight to Tae after he got back from a trip (even though now we know for a fact that, that is true for Jikook) but jokers cannot even say cute and harmless things about jikook without the cult going screaminf their heads off? Lol.

Even now, they cannot handle everything AYS has shown them so they are lashing out and saying nasty things about Jimin and even Jk, while also claiming that Tae, Jimin and Jungkook lied about Tae inviting himself and that the staff asked him to join the show to make it more interesting or that Jimin begged him to join the show😂😂😂😂. These are things they do yet we are the jokers? How can Taehyung open his own mouth to tell you that he found out about a trip 2 days before it started from a groupchat and then said he wanted to join yet you sit on your blogs openly claiming otherwise? I mean what kind of madness is this?

Blatantly ignoring everything he said and making up your own reality just because you cannot deal with the truth is WILD!

This is why the cult will never be satisfied with anything because reality is never enough for them. Reality doesn’t validate their beliefs and that is why they change it every single time. They have to turn their own faves into liars to be able to sleep at night. Imagine going on everyday about how Taehyung is honest, and has integrity and doesn’t like to deceive people yet you are the first one to call him the biggest liar when his words don’t match your delulu. Taehyung says he invited himself to a show and you say he was casted by producers to make the show more interesting? How was him being ok his phone almost the entire time adding to make the show more interesting?

Just a friendly reminder to people who have succeeded in gaslighting themselves to believing that the boys live their entire lives as liars and actors… Your narratives and conspiracy theories do not change reality. They might work in your heads to help you feel better about a non existent romance but in the real world, the truth will always be the truth and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. Taekook fucking each other 10 ways from Sunday might exist in your minds but that doesn’t mean it exists in reality and if the only way you can make your ship make any lick of sense is by constantly branding them liars, actors and pretenders, then that is when you should know that you are chasing the wind.

[ggukkieisintominnie]

This will get me into shit BUT WHATEVER 🙄

I find it funny that ARMYs can sit and Kiki about Namjoon's "toxic male ex" but turn around to call Jimin and Jungkook brothers and us who support them delusional. Like the fuck...

Here is this ARMY doing what we "Jokers" are dubbed to do which is speculating Jimin and Jungkook's relationship being more than platonic. However while we get comments about being jokes and crazy...

... They get this as response. The double standards in this fandom I can't 🙄. Like not only that but the engagement is crazy as well for something that has no valuable prove whatsoever.

Here is another tagging the ex who apparently is known as "emoji guy".

Oh my... sharing or wearing the same shirt allows for ARMYs to conclude that Namjoon is indeed in a gay relationship so why is it when we do the same for Jimin and Jungkook; we are considered delusional.

Jikook has done more than just sharing the same shirt. Jimin went to bed in Jungkook's sweater which the other wore the whole day while carrying out his schedules for the day. But they are the ones boxed as brothers.

ARMYs are insufferable. They legit chose which members in the band are allowed to be suspected as Queer and who are not. Suspecting Jimin and Jungkook to be Queer in this fandom means you have to be skinned alive but hey Namjoon bi king, go off tongue technology Min Yoongi and bisexual icon Jung Hoseok I guess.

It a shame really especially for someone who has showed so much of their identity like Park Jimin to be shunned to heterosexuality because the fandom has such a mindset. Or just because accepting Jimin for anything but straight acknowledges that Jimin's relationship to Jungkook can actually be more than just platonic. Everything Jimin has done from ID: Chaos to Face means nothing to ARMY because they rather sit down and fascinate over the girl in the like crazy MV and the she/her lyrics to songs he has no writing credits on.

ARMYs will never change. It too late to change their backwards views but atleast they should not show up in Jikook spaces and spam with "they are brothers." "I do this with my sibling." comments. Are You Sure wasn't catered for the likes of those who will watch Jimin and Jungkook's relationship and just immediately cast them aside as platonic brothers without seeing and comprehending the beautiful bond they have. And hyping those who are claiming the travel vlog as shippers content.

No they do not have to believe that Jimin and Jungkook are in a love relationship but they also don't have the right to label their relationship as brothers because apparently ARMYs have proclaimed themselves as "who can be queer" police. ARMYs should watch Are You Sure and leave it at that if they don't have anything other than a stupid or an incestuous comment on it.

Like how is Jungkook slapping Jimin's booty something you do with your sibling? How is Jungkook's intense gaze on Jimin's sleeping form reminding you of how your father looks at you when you sleep? How the fuck are those takes normal?

This discourse can go on longer on how they are obsessed with the "rapper girlfriend" trope when it comes to Jungkook's relationship with Namjoon but I decided not to. But the truth of the matter is... ARMYs are annoying. If you are a Taekook, Namjin, Vmin or a Yoonmin shipper you deserve flowers and praise on your comment section but if you are a Jikooker you deserve a spam of "You are delusional" type of comments on your post.

I'm glad Jikook scares them so much. It feeds my soul. And it makes me believe in them so much more. Because Jimin and Jungkook even got "Queer ARMYs" hating on them. Like if they hate is coming from inside the house.... you better believe that shit is good.

Anyway 2moro's we officially hold a funeral to Are You Sure 😭😭😭😭 peace ✌

[queenhallebe]

I'll never get how people call themselves fans while still believing everything they do is scripted like 🤔 We get it y'all hate shippers but throwing the members under the bus is just crazyyy. The best thing I've ever done for myself as an Army and Non shipper, is to fully accept that jikook has an unusual bond. Bad?? No. Romantic?? Idk. Platonic?? Idk. They have something not a lot of male friendships have, and that's okay. They make people uncomfortable, not because they're “real” or “not real”, but because they defy( if that's the right word) what the society sees as friendships between men. I never knew accepting jikook's strange relationship as it is is an abomination in this fandom. I've seen people shunning me for having a jikook pfp and calling me a shipper, I've been shunned for saying Taekook just to save myself the trouble of writing long ahh “Taehyung and Jungkook”... Although that's not the point... Thing is, I'm not delusional enough to be fantasizing about the positions these men be effing one another in, nor taking valuable time out of my day to make crazy ahh fanarts. But neither am I so blinded by the hate for shippers that I completely go out of my way to call their relationship a script as if they were robots. That's just disrespectful... And trying to make shippers cry at the expense of jikook's relationship is just another level of stupidity... I love Jikook, I love BTS. I want their friendship, I want to be as close to another person as jikook is. So close that people would even question the status of our relationship... If they're just friends, I want that friendship... And if they're lovers, I want that for myself... If it's both, I want that. Yes, I would never make them puppets to fulfill all my failed relationship through them, but I want what they have. And it is what it is. I hate it when shippers go to the point of forgetting that jikook are real people, and they have lives outside of their relationship with one another, but I also hate it when people call every jikook interaction fan service... !!!

[peachjagiya]

Maybe tae and jk were hanging out in '23 bcs they were both free and none of the other members were? Atleast this year is proving this jikook theory right. Tae is still a social butterfly but he has not once been spotted with jk in the past 9 months. Everything else is still like solo era except for the never ending taekook hang outs 😕

I have to admit my jaw dropped at this. They're in the military. How is this anything like solo era?

We don't know what their leave arrangements are like or what the approval system is. Tae was awarded this leave for completing a gruelling physical thing. We know nothing of when JK has been on leave other than assuming he had leave for Chuseok. How are they going to have as many hang outs?!

Did you truly expect we'd get pictures of the two of them seeing each other? I went into this MS period believing that enlistment would be the last time we'd see them individually together until June.

Quite aside from the fact that they have actually spent time together in previous years, let's put this dumb jimkooker theory to bed:

👉 Here is a post from @5and3nevermind detailing all the times Jimin and Yoongi found time to hang out, 9 times minimum in person, though it's likely more because he was "working out with Yoongi a lot" implying more than once. That doesn't factor in phone calls.

That's two members who weren't too busy.

👉 Here's Namjoon hanging with Jimin:

A third member not too busy.

👉 Here's a bonus of Namjoon walking into Jimin's live without audibly complaining about being asked to:

But actually that's beyond the point because Taekook did see other members over 2023, didn't they? So where does this idea that Taekook's time spent together was because other members weren't around come from?

👉 Here is Taehyung with Namjoon:

👉 JK also managed to organise his schedule to see Yoongi before enlistment.

The other members clearly weren't too busy to organise things with. They all found time to do stuff with other people.

It's a dumb argument that seems to exist just to diminish their relationship, romantic or platonic. Fact is that Taekook didn't just see each other occasionally. They saw each other a lot by comparison to other members. By my count just under 20 confirmed together days, including Hawaii, and up to 30 if you include plausible speculation where we just don't have a confirmation. This doesn't include facetiming whilst apart which seems to be a common thing for them. And that's just what we know about.

(Amusingly, 30 is just under ten percent of the year. Like 8% or something. How much of ITS got edited out, according to Yoongi? 90%? I'm not saying the maths is precise or reliable or that Yoongi's estimate is on the dot but those numbers did make me laugh.)

With that much time together, we might just have to admit they chose each other a lot and let this ridiculous demeaning narrative die.

Edit to add: they don't owe us pictures or hints. They don't even owe us being a couple. Maybe some tkkrs need to remember that instead of keeping a log of selcas and treating two humans as only as good as the last way you perceived them.

[theschizotypalsolilquy]

I just know that that anon is the same person who was camping under two Jikook blogs yesterday and I don't know why y'all even waste your time on them because it's clear as day that they're just a Jungkook solo who's extremely homophobic.

It's okay to think that he's not with Jimin and that he's someone who fools around and has a high body count. Anything is possible. But to double down on the fact that "JK fucks girls" is all I need to know about that person and what their agenda really is. If the point they're trying to make is that it's unlikely for a young, handsome, successful and famous man like him to be in a committed monogamous relationship, then why is their emphasis only on the fact that he's sleeping with women? He can still be sleeping with men as well, no?

I love how they use "scandals" and that recent smoking clip of him *nonchalantly* staring at a girl for three seconds as proof that he likes pussy, but conveniently ignore all the times he's shown blatant attraction towards men over the years.

I wouldn't be surprised if anon is just a JK solo imagines herself as his future Y/N and doesn't like the fact that there are so many people who believe he possibly doesn't like women, likes men and even more so, that he's been in love with one for so many years. It shatters the illusion.

Anon should give up on coming here with some mission to make Jikookers "see the light". It's futile. There have been many like them years before, they're not the first. But what's always interesting about these people is that I've never see them camping under Taekook, Yoonmin and Vmin (when it still had people who genuinely believed they were in a romantic relationship) blogs with their theories.

I've always lurked on every side of ARMY Tumblr and I never see the other shippers getting such asks; it's always Jikookers. Which is strange considering that Jikookers aren't even nearly as loud as Taekookers or Yoonminers for them to always attract people like that.

Simple answer?

Cuz they feel threatened by a 5'9 androgynous beauty who gets heart eyes 24/7 from their solo stan.

But what they forget is that before Jimin's "glow up" (cuz dude was always hot he just matured into an ethereal being and honestly good for him) JK was still obsessed. Constantly touching and squeezing his arm muscles, the almost exorcist neck turn when Jimin would flash his abs during the choreo for "No More Dream", how when the members were asked what part of Jimin they liked the best, JK doubled down and said "all of that".

He LOVES that man. And whether they think it's platonic or romantic, some people have a problem with it. And that's horrible for them because their bond is so rare. It should be celebrated. The gods decided those two should meet, they should bond, and we are better for it. Because something like that comes along so rarely, and we are privileged to witness it.

But homophobic bitches and delusional yns ruin it. They can't accept it. I guarantee you that if those two weren't half as hot and as popular as they are, they wouldn't give a fuck. It's the audacity to them. How dare a gorgeous man love another gorgeous man? He should be getting all that pussy, spreading his seed far and wide, not settling for a man. How dare he gatekeep his own hotness??

That's how they think. And it's revolting.

[struggle-but-its-all-ocean-floor]

Gonna be brutally honest here (as usual) and say I'm disappointed that V is going to appear in the Jeju Island episodes of Are You Sure. The odds were high, but I hoped for a scene or two at best. I don't know how many episodes it will be, but I hope it's only two and the rest are Jikook alone in Japan. With V there the dynamic is going to be very different. Jikook won't be the same Jikook from episodes 1 and 2, and the fandom will be all "Vmin this, Vmin that" and "Taekook this, Taekook that". Not that the fandom matters much, but Vmin is one of those dynamics that everyone highly exaggerates about, like Namjin, Namkook or Sope.

Not to sound childish, but I wanted only Jikook on Jikook's show... This is probably our once in a lifetime opportunity to have Jikook all to ourselves. I'm sure the episodes will be fun and cute, but, yeah...

The only way I'd be happy about another member joining Jikook is if the member were Jin (literally impossible). I love (platonic) Jinkook as much as I love Jikook, and Jinjikook are a blast. I guess Namjoon joining Jikook would've potentially been hilarious too. Tbh, V is a member I love like family, and think is cute and funny, but he's also a member I've always struggled to connect with, especially lately when BTS are on hiatus and I haven't watched much V content, other than the Layover performances. And it's not V's fault but it really annoys me that when he's around all everyone sees in Vmin, the maknae line, and Taekook. Jikook are even more ignored than usual.

[chevelleneech]

Now there's the whole issue with peopleg giving AYS bad ratings on purpose. It just makes me so sad, how Jimin and Jungkook can never be enjoyed as a duo the way the rest are in BTS. And then Taekookers (and some ARMYs) have the audacity to say the company uses Jikook for fanservice because they make money off of them as a duo very easily, and I'm just like "where??". For who are they doing all this when a majority of the fandom are Taekookers and ARMYs who prefer Taekook together the most? We see it with the views all the time.

I don't know when people are gonna open their eyes. It's not HYBE's fault that Jikook have the kind of dynamic they do that they (the antis) obviously notice but hate for some reason.

Poor Jimin and Jungkook. I feel so sorry for them for real. I don't even want people to see what I see in them as someone who ships them, I really just dream about ARMY reacting to them the way they react to Vmin, Minimoni, Sope, Vhope, Taejin and literally any other duo in BTS. I just wanna come across a Jikook video and not come across weird, delusional and mean comments about them all the time that dismiss them having anything that goes beyond a co-worker relationship.

Do you think it hurts them to see how much the fandom hates seeing them together, or used to at one point?

My main takeaway, that proves these reviews are being left by people who are Tkk shippers and nothing else, is how hard they are trying to word things so they sound like unbiased, casual dislikes.

I’d usually say they don’t view the members are real people, but using things such as, “the script”, “the protagonist”, “falling flat”, “forced acting” makes it clear they actually do, and are aware that they have to twist things into fiction to come across as more “honest”.

They have to use words and phrases that don’t ping as being unnecessarily hateful, but to do that, they have to paint AYS as a scripted/forced project. Because how do you unbiasedly say, about a band you supposedly love and understand do skinship with each other in general, “I don’t like that these two members specifically are interacting.” without it coming across as you being hateful of those two members specifically? You can’t.

They can’t give real Anders to how or why JM and JK seem scripted, because doing that requires listing all the things they do and why it is fake, without also presenting a case for why it’s fake for other members including Tae and Wooga. Because doing that would also require proving Jimin and JK’s actions have been fake this entire time, which is delusional. No one is going to believe that 10+ year long best friends are doing scripted friendship shit now, but weren’t in the last. Not will anyone believe for a second that two people would fake being best friends for TEN YEARS. No paycheck is worth that, when it’s not an actual fictional tv show or movie.

As for whether not Jimin and Jungkook see it and are affected? I don’t know. I’d hope not, but they have access to the same internet as the rest of us, and have proven time again they know what’s going on in Armyland. So I would say yes, they do know there’s a certain faction of this fandom who hates them being a Them, and they likely do also know how little is done on the overall fandom to stop it.

Does it affect them? My guess is no. They’ve been a Them for a long time now, be-it platonic or romantic, and they haven’t changed their behavior. They know people think they’re dating, they continue to act like they’re dating. They know people don’t like seeing them together. They continue to be seen together. They know people think their friendship is forced by the company. They continue to call each other best friends.

So my take away is, if they do care what people think, they have worked very hard on making sure it doesn’t change their thoughts and feelings for each other, whatever they may be.

All that said, it is incredibly fucked up that Jimin and Jungkook being friends is disliked as much as it is. They don’t do anything but love on each other and love on the other members, yet one stupid group of fans are loud enough to put such a damper on that. Those people need help.

[beautifulpersonpeach]

Hi BPP, i noticed in one of your asks about Jikook, you mentioned paying attention to their Vlives and i swear to you that one of the biggest reasons i think Jikook are not just platonic is because of their Lives especially the ones when it’s just two of them. There is this different air around them and you can literally always feel how thick the air is with tension.

I know this might sound a little delulu but i 100% trust my guts when it comes to certain things. I’m usually not very great at catching things at first glance but when someone else catches those things and brings them to my attention, I’m exceptionally good at paying more attention and catching those things many people will miss. There is nothing in the world that can convince me that Jimin wasn’t with Jk in his room during that famous “naked bread Live” where Tae surprised Jk in his room. There is also Hobi’s Live from 2016 where Armys kept asking for Jimin and Hobi went to Jimin’s room and it was clear that they were hiding something or someone. Now this one is debatable as to who it was in Jimin’s room but there was 100% someone there with him as we could literally see a shadow pass by in the tv screen. Another Live that was very telling was the New Jersey Live of May 2019. That Live where Jk started a live and later panned to Jimin. That Live is a goldmine and minus all the analysis, anybody who has a little bit of a brain could immediately tell that something fishy was going on with Jikook. I always laugh when tkkrs also use that exact same Live as proof that taekook were sharing a room because of that statement Tae made about “weren’t we sharing a room”, i mean he came into the room and the first question he asked was, “whose room is this” he literally didn’t even know it was Jk’s room in the first place lol and if they were indeed sharing a room, why the hell will he feel the need to ask Jk “weren’t we sharing a room” outta nowhere? If you live in the same house as someone, do u just wake up outta the blue and ask them “aren’t we living in the same house?” How does it even make sense? If you paid attention you would notice that, just b4 tae said that, there was a cough sound that came from maybe the bathroom or something and Jk immediately asked Tae to stay put while he went to the bathroom and while he was there, you could hear him mumble something offscreen and that is when Tae said that. I always thought maybe tae said that to cover things up or he was just being his chaotic adorable self idk but that Live pretty michconfirmed alot of things for me. Not forgetting how Jk was literally kicking tae outta the room lol.

Almost all of the lives with Jimin and Jk in them pretty much give them away and the lives are my biggest reason for thinking Jikook are/were more than friends. I honestly can’t tell what kind if relationship they have with each other these days but nothing can convince me that those two have always just been platonic. Even if they have never actually dated each other or been in a relationship, i know that they have felt sexual attraction towards eo and have probably acted on it. I mean lets be serious here, why else do you think Jk would visit Jimin’s room multiple times a day, goes there really late at night and remains in there for abt 4 hours at a time “doing nothing” as Jimin said? Especially when he has 5 other hyungs he could visit and hang out with when he is bored. We know he is really close to Tae too so why wouldn’t he even spend some of that time hanging out with him? What is so interesting about any room Jimin is in that he has continued to be obsessed with those rooms for years BPP? Since b4 their debut, we they have always liked spending their nights together. Jk would pile clothes on his bed to go sleep in Jimin’s bed, when Jihope were roomates, it was the same time taekook shared their big living space together yet we found out from Jimin and Hobi that Jk came into their room every single night to sleep there. The one time staff hid cameras in their hotels rooms without telling them, what happened? Didn’t we all see Jimin and Jk getting into Jk’s hotel room together even though all the other members got into their rooms together? Let’s not even talk about Hobi’s bday Live in 2019 when Jimin had to come back to get Jk cuz it seemed like he couldn’t get into his room without him or how during the Live itself he mentioned telling Jk he wouldn’t be able to get which suggested that they were together in the same room before joining the Live.

I dunno combing through footage of all these years, it is crystal clear that there was/is something up with those two. They are just too sus.

Sorry for the extremely long ask.

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I agree.

[dearweirdme]

Just a heads up, I'm a Jikooker, but I come in peace ✌️

I really like your blog because of how grounded and respectful you are of bts members. I feel like only reading Jikook bloggers opinions kinda traps me in an echo chamber, so it's really nice to question my interpretation of Jikook interactions with different perspectives (sometimes we gotta admit we're being delulu kkkk). Your blog is perfect for that 'cause you're very chill and bring very interesting points, so you quickly became my fav taekook blog. I'm sorry for all the jikookers who come here to make a fuss.

To clarify what I mean when I call myself a Jikooker, I believe Jungkook and Jimin have a very special bond, be it platonic or romantic, they are best friends and care deeply for each other. They're the only duo that actually makes me raise some eyebrows, however, at the end of the day, I don't know these people so what do I know? ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯ No matter who they're dating I'll always be happy for them and cheer them on.

Anyways, the reason why I'm here is 'cause I love Taekook's relationship and I wanna gush about it lol.

One thing that I noticed that's very sweet is that JK is very sensitive to how Tae is feeling, so you can frequently see, for example, Jimin not realizing when a joke hurt or annoyed Tae and JK coming in to defend and praise him. (Of course Jimin is very sweet as well, he has comforted Tae through his hardest times, he's just not good at reading Tae unless he expresses his feelings out loud)

That's why I think Taekook became closer than Vmin over the years. Now, I don't think Vmin is as close as they used to be because they don't understand each other well, but the way they hugged during Jin's military discharge made me remember that despite their distance, Vmin has a soft spot for each other. You know those friends who go months without talking but when a hard time comes, they're the first ones to be there for each other and vent out their feelings? I feel like that's Vmin.

Meanwhile, Taekook seems to understand each other very well. I'm not sure if it's cause they both show signs of possibly being nd, but Taekook just has a natural understanding of what the other means. You always see Jungkook and especially Tae, say things that shock and confuse the other members, but when you look at Taekook they frequently don't even realize the other said something "weird".

Ever since their talk in ITS, it's like Taekook became closer than ever. They bring up each other any time they can in interviews and lives, they hang out all the time and we got so many adorable photos of them together. I see a lot of people saying their interactions are awkward and they seem distant, but I think they're just not the most talkative people in general and are perfectly comfortable with silence, both of them are the type of people to let other people talk more and just respond once in a while. I think Taekook communicate through actions rather than words.

The only time I saw their interaction as awkward was that Livestream in 2020 where they were making those flowers(?)(I don't remember...) but even then I think it was more about their difficulty with conducting live streams than their relationship.

That's it. I hope I wasn't an annoying jikooker

Borahae~ 💜

Hi @moo-mood !

Thanks for your kind ask. Obviously there’s things you and I will not agree on (I’ll not get into it, you know what those things are, I know what those things are, everyone does) but since vminkook-love-each-other is the biggest hill I will die on.. I’m always happy to see that this is something we can at least agree on and find enjoyment in 😊. I’m very much sure Jk, Jm, and Tae hate to read some of the stuff that goes around about them, so to see people acknowledge their closeness is really nice.

[jeonscatalyst]

I’m procrastinating from a project at work haha, and apologies if you’ve already answered a similar question! (And if I’ve sent in something similar already 💀)

At the tail end of what it looks like jikook prepared for us during enlistment (muse, golden documentary, AYS content), does it put anything into context for you differently? Such as, do you still believe jikook are irl dating and were so throughout chapter 2?

I always have to laugh at the biggest argument against jikook during chapter 2 was that they didn’t hang out in front of cameras. Do I think jikook saw each other a lot ahead of face? No. Do I think that then not seeing each other a lot mean they can’t be dating? No, and Jimin in particular was busy.

I always laugh at our clowns-in-law, because we really don’t know how much they’re hanging out off camera. We didn’t know about a whole taekook Hawaii trip until a year later, we wouldn’t have known jikook spent the night before jeju unless Jimin made an offhand comment.

All this Discourse from them about how jikook grew distant in chapter 2, as if they didn’t do the biggest act of devotion by picking the harder path (to go for the buddy means you’re automatically in one of the harder bases) so that they wouldn’t spend 18 months apart. Don’t know about you, but I’m personally not doing all that for someone I’ve been distant from for the past 6 months.

Hi anon.

“At the tail end of what it looks like jikook prepared for us during enlistment (muse, golden documentary, AYS content), does it put anything into context for you differently? Such as, do you still believe jikook are irl dating and were so throughout chapter 2?”

I have actually given a few of my thoughts on this already but I don’t mind repeating them. I think there is a good possibility that Jikook are irl dating or are in some kind of a romantic relationship, as a matter of fact I am certain that they have crossed the friendship boundaries (don’t ask me why, I just am lol) but the thing with the terms “dating” or “couple” is that they could be a little more complicated that people wish to admit. Just because two people are in a romantic relationship or have a relationship which isn’t platonic doesn’t necessarily mean they see themselves as a couple or think they are dating. I will always maintain that I think Jimin and Jungkook have been in a romantic relationship and possibly still are but I can’t say for sure if they have ever considered or termed what they were doing to be “dating” or being a “couple”, because of their circumstances or because of how much pressure labeling what they have could be on them. This isn’t me saying that is how things are in real life for them but just me saying this a possibility which means I could be 100% wrong.

To me it is clear that Jimin and Jungkook are attracted to each other, it is clear that they love each other and they also have quite a few couple-like behaviours even during chapter two and some of these behaviours could even still be seen in the show but the thing is, things never completely make sense and quite frankly they shouldn’t because there is a lot we don’t know. There are always going to be some question marks because we don’t have all the information. These guys have full lives behind the cameras that we know absolutely nothing about so expecting everything to always make sense or for all the dots to connect completely in situations like this is a bit unrealistic in my opinion. So anon, I do believe Jimin and Jungkook are in some sort of a romantic relationship, they could be a couple in a long term committed relationship, they could just be casually dating, they could be FWB, I honestly don’t know what kind it is so because I don’t know that, I don’t know if I would say I believe they are “dating” or a “couple” but I believe they are more than friends.

“I always have to laugh at the biggest argument against jikook during chapter 2 was that they didn’t hang out in front of cameras.”

This particular argument has never made alot of sense to me because one particular period of time could never debunk or prove that a romantic relationship happened so when I see people use this in their arguments against Jikook, I get the impression that they are either too young, have very little life and relationships experiences or are straight up dumb because anyone who actually treats this discussion like we are talking about real human beings and not some fictional characters we are shipping, would never use this as an argument. The only thing Jimin and Jungkook allegedly not seeing each other during a period in the solo era could mean or prove is that they probably were not actively “dating” or together at that particular point in time but it doesn’t debunk the idea that they were together before that or after that.

The thing is that shippers often cherry pick moments or value single moments over patterns and history. It’s how taekookers honestly believe that taekook are a couple just because they hung out frequently for a period of time even though everything that happened all the years before the solo era and even during the solo era proved that Taekook were definitely not a couple because they just didn’t have the history. People often forget that in the real world, human relationships ebb and flow, evolve and devolve. Even the closest people could experience moments in their relationships where distance creeps in, I mean 10 years is a long time for a lot of things to happen but some people seem to think that human beings and relationships and feelings remain the same.

Instead of the cult thinking that things changed and taekook finally started spending more time together when it was more convenient or simply because they both made the concious decision to do that so they could bridge the distance that crept in, they choose to believe that before the solo era, some people were restricted from hanging out with anyone they chose but had more freedom after they all started doing their own things. Dumb I tell you.

Truth is, because we don’t know how much they hang out behing cameras, we have to listen to them and not just make assumptions. While I understand that they cannot always be completely honest with us about everything they get up to behind the cameras and that they sometimes have to lie to protect their privacy, I see no reason why they would ever have to lie about something as simple as seeing or spending time with each other. Sometimes fans exaggerate or purposely bend or twist their words to make things worse or better but I believe when it comes to stuff like that, they have no reason to lie. It’s either they choose to say something about it or say nothing at all if they don’t think it is our place to know.

I don’t necessarily think Jikook were distant in chapter two. It is obvious to me that they weren’t much so but I do think things weren’t the same for them. I think whatever relationship they have/had experienced some hiccups but not necessarily “distance”. They were clearly so important to each other for Jk to do everything he did for Jimin during his debut and the fact that they chose to enlist together says alot too so whatever haters have to say falls apart when you think about all these. Funny how they claim they were distant yet Jikook somehow keep ending up with each other, every step of the way. Take a look at their every milestone since they debuted, Jikook just somehow always managed to end up by each other’s side.

[stupendousfoxthing]

Give or take a few days because I don't know exactly when it happened, this is approximately my eight-year anniversary of becoming a Taekooker. 😂 I just know it was around Thanksgiving 2016.

THAT'S SO CRAZY TO ME. Some post shower thoughts about this: It's interesting looking back on my first year or two as a Taekooker now. I was never vibing with the camp that thought they had been _together_ together for a while at that point. I always felt that 2015-2017 were angsty transitional years, and that honestly could have gone on for longer. The nape kiss happening in late 2018 tells me it had crossed a line beyond platonic by that point, but the timeline is uncertain outside of that. The most interesting thing to me looking back though, especially after solo era made me more sure than ever about them, is that I really did see and recognize something in 2016 that was real and I have watched it bloom. Whatever happens, it has been an entirely joyful ride. It has never been hard for me. I love being a Taekooker.

ALSO: If you're in the US/PR please make sure to buy your White Christmas cds and/or stream for Taekook. :))))

[mini-jiminie]

https://www.tumblr.com/mini-jiminie/767184888661262336/i-was-watching-some-yoonmin-edits-and-felt-all?source=share

I'm not a shipper, I'm Jimin-biased, and I also came across that post. One thing I've noticed about people who ship Jimin and JK with others is that they are always extremely insecure and bitter over Jimin and JK's friendship. They are just incapable of being satisfied with their ship being real while simultaneously accepting that there's at least a deep, platonic bond between JM/JK. No, in their minds, those two have to hate each other when the cameras stop rolling and every nice thing they say about one another has to be scripted in order for them to be able to imagine Jimin coming home to Yoongi, JK coming home to Taehyung or Jin at the end of the day.

I always wondered why, but I've come to realize that there's only one example for it, no matter how crazy it may sound every time I think about it. They see whatever Jikookers swear is there too, but they obviously hate it because they wish it existed somewhere else and they hate that other people boldly point it out over and over again, like rubbing salt into their wounds,

and that's how posts like the one from that Yoonmin blog come to be, that's how there's always this unnecessary outrage within the fandom every time Jimin and the maknae just exist next to each other and treat one another like human beings (I acknowledge they objectively have some very eyebrow-raising moments; I'm not talking about that but just genuinely mundane moments where they just smile at each other, laugh together, touch each other in the most innocent, typical way ever and say decent things about/to each other. Even those things get people mad). That's how their relationship as a duo becomes somewhat taboo in the fandom.

It's fascinating to witness as an "outsider", someone unattached to any of them as hypothetical romantic pairs.

Also I ask myself why these people ship Jimin with their favorites so much when it's clear as day they don't like him. You can't believe Jimin is in a loving, committed relationship with this one person while he, according to you, consistently plays at romance with another and lies every time because he's apparently so fame hungry. Nah. Let it go.

Thank you for your perspective!

I'm always curious about how people outside the shipping bubble perceive the discourse that happens within it.

The way you describe the general attitude towards jkk (within the fandom) as 'somewhat taboo' is honestly spot on. It's something that's always fascinated me because even bringing up the word 'jikook' within a broader fandom context gets everyone's panties in a twist. There have been countless ot7-focused accounts who've gotten harassed to the point of having to take down jkk-focused posts or posts even mentioning them as a duo. It's pretty mind-boggling because the outrage wouldn't exist if it wasn't rooted in some sort of fear.

You've summed it up brilliantly here:

"They see whatever Jikookers swear is there too, but they obviously hate it because they wish it existed somewhere else and they hate that other people boldly point it out over and over again, like rubbing salt into their wounds,"

There's a vast majority of army that are cultists or, have joined the fandom through the cult's indoctrination (I can't think of a better term:)). Part of this indoctrination is the narrative that jm is incentivised by the company to tear taekook apart. Yet apparently, he's also their beard? So, jm is the devil but also simultaneously Mother Theresa because he selflessly protects his best friends who are a couple. Unfortunately, there are so many people with this mentality who make up the older part of the fandom (people who have stanned them for a while). Somehow, the cult has normalised default favour for themselves and have so much sway over the fandom. It's so disturbing because of their generally deranged attitudes towards jm and jkk.

On yoonminners, again, you've hit the mark:

"You can't believe Jimin is in a loving, committed relationship with this one person while he, according to you, consistently plays at romance with another and lies every time because he's apparently so fame hungry."

As a jm-biased army too, I completely understand your frustrations. In shipping discourse, it seems that it's mainly him who receives the brunt of everyone's hate. Even yoonminners, who you would think would defend him as he's their only stake in this discourse, always manage to direct some passive-aggressive comment towards him under the guise of affirming their ship. Because how on earth does the 'jikook are money hungry slaves at hybe's mercy' narrative paint jm in any light but a horrible one?

[peachjagiya]

https://www.tumblr.com/peachjagiya/755198778095616000/you-can-do-a-ted-talk-lecture-on-one-taekook?source=share

I will be doing a series of Ted Talks called: "Is it coincidence or is it just......... Taekook?!"

First episode is:

"The Paradox of Oh No, Oh Yes and its Timings" In this episode, we will talk about how Jungkook played the song twice in early 2023. On the 2nd time he did, he played it as the last song with lyrics during his winter ski date concept while watching the stars and "aurora" in March 2023. His words, not mine. He started this portion of his "ARMY date" livestream with high energy, cringing and giggling, then committing to the winter date act. By the end of the stream, minutes after he played Oh No Oh Yes, he was in tears and brushed it off as "rhinitis". 1 month after, April 2023, while JK left SK for the first time in a while to LA and start working on his songs, Taehyung went live and shared that Jungkookie recommended him Oh No, Oh Yes. He even lit a candle because "Jungkookie does it in his live" he then proceeded to play Maybe, a song he penned about someone who told him they are Twin Flames and will melt each other away when the world is cold during winter. The most crucial part of this episode is what happened hours AFTER Taehyung went live and shook fans with the information: Jungkook's brother's IG account posted Oh No, Oh Yes in his story. 🤯 Fast forward to September 4, 2024. Tae went to join Firenze event in Paradise Hotel, the same hotel TaeKook stayed at and filmed Run BTS TikTok challenge. On his way to the event, he posted a story of the sunset with Oh No, Oh Yes in the background. He was there for dinner event. The next morning, Jungkook flew to the US. Note that Paradise Hotel is near to the airport and 4 days prior was his birthday while 2 days after that, September 3, was their 12th year anniversary of meeting eo.

To wrap this Ted Talk up, the lyrics to Oh No Oh Yes:

"More than a ring on a ring finger

I chose a love hidden to the public gaze

Even if I show that I'm a strong woman

Always in my heart

I'm shaking of pain

Oh no, we're two sinners

But no, we can't separate........"

I still have more episodes of this "Is it coincidence or is it just.... Taekook?!" such as dissecting To Find You, Sweetheart Shirts, Dream Premiere and many more. Shall I send a weekly Ask to you so we can all discuss and dissect together? 😁

Omg.

This made me smile so wide! 😁😁😁

The Oh No, Oh Yes saga is one of my favourites because of how spaced out it was, like a continually referenced strand running through the year.

Like sometimes a song is just a song, right? But the way it kept cropping up, it feels special like a little Easter egg 😂 I could hardly believe what I was seeing when Tae posted that sunset 5 months on.

I also love that even the platonic explanation, that they just shared and enjoyed the song, shows their closeness. It's undeniable.

Omg PLEASE send a weekly Ask, that would make me so happy.

Thanks anon. I love this. 💜

[keeperoftinyarmy]

I think the relationship that I always think of when discussions about taekook and jikook are going on is vmin. Vmin is very interesting because they're universally regarded - by armys, not shippers and solos - to be the ultimate friendship in BTS. But the same army who will say something about jikook being fanservice will not even consider the same thing about vmin, even though if you compare what we see both offscreen and onscreen, objectively it would appear jikook are closer than vmin by any measure. It's just something to keep in mind when you see the word fanservice thrown around by armys. Not saying vmin are fanservice by the way. I'm just saying it's weird that only gets applied to one relationship.

Actually I think vmin is also something to keep in mind as both a taekooker or a jikooker. As a taekooker, you consider jikook to be a company ship but the elephant in the room is that Tae has said a lot more romantic-coded things to Jimin than he ever has said to JK. As a jikooker, when you accuse Tae of feeding his ship, it's not a bad idea to wonder if you'd feel the same way if he was talking about Jimin instead.

I'm not saying everything is black or white. For instance I think taekook are closer nowadays compared to vmin. And I also personally think Tae plays up his relationship with JK sometimes either because he knows fans like it or because that's just his personality but I don't think it's done with any malicious intent at all.

Anyway vmin is still a good scale to ground yourself on because they have a background of saying so much sus stuff to each other and yet their relationship is considered platonic by everyone so they are perfect for thought experiments. Is what you feel something fair or is it you being a typical shipper? I feel this interaction (between jikook or taekook) is romantic but would I feel the same if this was vmin? I think this member is being fake - but would I think this if it was about vmin and not my 'rival' ship?

Interesting way to think about vmin in terms of the other two ships. Thanks for sharing this. ☺️

I sort of do something similar but with Jimin. Despite his reputation in the fandoms, I don’t find Jimin to be overly flirty or touchy with most people. There are differences depending on his audience and depending on the member. For me (obviously) the way he interacts with Jungkook has marked differences from the others.

I adore vmin…they were the first pair I noticed back when I first got into BTS. I noticed the change in their interactions in contents and actually googled “what happened to vmin?” I had no idea about kpop shipping, I just wondered if they maybe had a falling out. I’ve never gotten anything but platonic energy from them though…even when they were clingy or sweet.

[mrs-monaghan]

I don’t appreciate being compared to taekookers. Are they the standard? I don’t like it🌚. Taekookers have based their ship on stares, storylines and straight up Jimin erasure - Jimin platonification (new word, based on platonic, go with it).

Some of them won’t even type his name.

We are not the same.

One (among many) platonifications I refuse to accept is the platonification of Letter! I’m dying on that hill, sorry! Baby don’t leave, by my side just stay? With jk in the back? Never forget that we’re together? Point me to jk or Tae saying anything of the sort in the vicinity of each other.

Comparisons need not be made. We are not the same!

Jikookers stay getting gaslit I swear 😅

How are we the same? We are not even remotely the same. They believe in Taekook based on things V and JK do with literally everybody else. We believe in Jikook because the couple things they do they only do with each other. It really is that simple at the end of the day.

We will never be the same. The V and Jennie video was clear as motherfucking day and there were witnesses. This supposed JK video needs people with prescription glasses

Our similaries end at the fact that both incidents involve women. The end.

We👏🏾will👏🏾never👏🏾be👏🏾the👏🏾same!!👏🏾