#platonic taekook

[dearweirdme]

Anon,

Aside from loving Tae and Jk, I’m also a Larrie. I just lived through Harry Styles and Olivia Wilde fake dating very obviously for (coincidentally) almost exactly two years. I’ve seen stuff 😂. I can absolutely handle two idols holding hands for a minute.

[jeonscatalyst]

Someone just told me that if a joker says things like…

“Jikook are in their own world”

“Jungkook pays attention to Jimin”

“Jungkook does whatever Jimin wants”

“Jungkook gives Jimin princess treatment”

“Jungkook doesn’t know what to do with himself when Jimin is not around”

“There is no platonic explanation for Jungkook having Jimin’s name on his chest”

….A taekooker is found kicking, screaming and popping veins somewhere. Their insecurities have gotten so loud that jokers cannot even make throw away statements or harmful jokes about Jikook anymore because what do you mean you are having a whole mental breakdown on your blogs because jokers say “jungkook treats jimin like a princess”? Whose fault is it that Jungkook gets back from a trip and cooks for Jimin? Whose fault is it that Jimin that when Jimin tells Jungkook he wants to do a travel show Jungkook accepts? Whose fault is it that Jungkook was walking around in a towel with a big “Jimin” written accross his chest? Whose fault is it that everyone noticed how different things were when Jimin was around Jk in AYS and when he wasn’t? You don’t see jokers going crazy when the cult says that Jk was snoring in Tae’s bed at 3am or when they claim that the Dream premiere (where Jk went back to his own house after and started a Live at 4am) was a taekook soft launch! 💀

Taekookers can say the most unhinged things like, Tae gave his wooga squad ring to Jk to wear on his pinky on his way to debut, or they can make up things in their heads and believe like claiming that Jk went straight to Tae after he got back from a trip (even though now we know for a fact that, that is true for Jikook) but jokers cannot even say cute and harmless things about jikook without the cult going screaminf their heads off? Lol.

Even now, they cannot handle everything AYS has shown them so they are lashing out and saying nasty things about Jimin and even Jk, while also claiming that Tae, Jimin and Jungkook lied about Tae inviting himself and that the staff asked him to join the show to make it more interesting or that Jimin begged him to join the show😂😂😂😂. These are things they do yet we are the jokers? How can Taehyung open his own mouth to tell you that he found out about a trip 2 days before it started from a groupchat and then said he wanted to join yet you sit on your blogs openly claiming otherwise? I mean what kind of madness is this?

Blatantly ignoring everything he said and making up your own reality just because you cannot deal with the truth is WILD!

This is why the cult will never be satisfied with anything because reality is never enough for them. Reality doesn’t validate their beliefs and that is why they change it every single time. They have to turn their own faves into liars to be able to sleep at night. Imagine going on everyday about how Taehyung is honest, and has integrity and doesn’t like to deceive people yet you are the first one to call him the biggest liar when his words don’t match your delulu. Taehyung says he invited himself to a show and you say he was casted by producers to make the show more interesting? How was him being ok his phone almost the entire time adding to make the show more interesting?

Just a friendly reminder to people who have succeeded in gaslighting themselves to believing that the boys live their entire lives as liars and actors… Your narratives and conspiracy theories do not change reality. They might work in your heads to help you feel better about a non existent romance but in the real world, the truth will always be the truth and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. Taekook fucking each other 10 ways from Sunday might exist in your minds but that doesn’t mean it exists in reality and if the only way you can make your ship make any lick of sense is by constantly branding them liars, actors and pretenders, then that is when you should know that you are chasing the wind.

[chimggukchim]

Share our @s so we can be bullied in our inboxes till kingdom come and be ostracized by you lot? No, thank you. I'm a Jikooker too and I've seen it happen to other Jikookers too many times just because their view of Jikook isn't "they are 100% together and practically married and monogamous towards each other for more than 10 years now"

Unfortunately this space has become too cult-like where one just can't have a slightly differing opinion about Jimin and Jungkook's relationship or express how they personally truly observe it without Jikookers losing their minds or accusing them of things, the way you guys are doing right now.

There's literally no difference between this community and the Taekooker community anymore - I've seen that crazy side turn on their own just because they had the audacity to point out the ITS talk made sense to them because for a while prior to that even they felt things weren't the same between Taekook anymore. And now it's Jikookers doing the same to other Jikookers🤦🏻‍♀

People can believe that Jikook is real while still pointing out the things they feel contradict that belief, or they can believe they were together and no longer are but still think they are special to each other, or they can believe they aren't together in what one would consider the "conventional, traditional" sense.

Taekook can never be real. That is a ship that has no real substance and was literally formed on aesthetics and vibes and had a whole false narrative attached to it that became lore over the years. A lot of people say just Jikook's existence alone cancels out Taekook, but I think even if Jimin and Jung kook didn't have the kind of dynamic they have and/or they didn't exist as a duo, Taekook still wouldn't be real. Please there's fuckall there.

I am someone who believes there's something more than platonic between Jimin and Jungkook and that Jungkook is deeply in love with Jimin, but still I agree with everything the last anon's(s') said. They *are* different from how they were before and the last few years make it hard to believe in the kind of image of them that Jikook shippers have painted for years.

We are Jikookers, we are here, we exist. Accusing us of being Taekookers won't make that shit true. We don't have to be a monolith.

First thing's first - YOU may not be a taekooker in disguise, but the other anon most likely was. And most with dumb takes are as they have a knack of using the SAME rhetoric and examples every single time, not to mention, always managing to slip in Tae somehow. Let's get that out of the way.

Now, here's the thing, anon.

I understand completely, the feelings of confusion and second-guessing whether jikook are really together or not. I have been there before, on multiple occasions. There were things in the past as it happened that made me doubt whether my suspicions about the true nature of their relationship was right. I get it.

So don't go putting words into my mouth and think that you can assume 'what kind of jikooker' I am.

Cause like I've said on multiple occasions now, I did not start out in the ARMY fandom space either as a jikooker or as a shipper. I had no clue what shipping was. And til this day, I remain an ARMY supporting all of our boys as a group before any sort of shipping enters my mind. Whenever I watch BTS content, jikook as a couple is never at the forefront of my mind. I watch them as a part of Bangtan.

There are certain moments that jikookers put on a pedestal as concrete 'proof' of a relationship, that I side-eye and hence, make no post or comment on because it does not make sense.

If tomorrow, Jimin and Jungkook were to announce they were both dating other people, I would still be happy for them because before anything, I want them to be happy. If that's with other people, so be it.

So I know me and how I perceive Jimin and Jungkook's relationship. I trust my objectivity of their relationship over yours, thank you.

Now to what you have accused most in this community of...I have honestly yet to see to the extent that you have indicated. Harassing? Bullying? Cult-like? Well, I've got news for you. You're in the wrong side of town, deary. And people who go looking there, clearly want to find what they're looking for. (toxicity, by the way)

And the way you spoke of taekookers and knowing how they behave and treat each other?...Honey, the 'normal' jikooker would NEVER EVER find themselves anywhere near taekooker spaces willingly. But you have apparently. That says a lot.

You're looking for trouble. You're going to find it.

Also...my sympathy for you lessened when you compared jikookers to the cult. Because the last time I checked, jikookers didn't go around literally harassing Tae's and JK's FAMILIES AND FRIENDS in real frigging life. So miss me with that similarity nonsense. Point out all you want about SOME jikookers not being able to handle different takes of others all you want, that's fair. I'm sure there may be the immature ones like that in this community, I'm not denying it. I assure you, they're in the minority. But the minute you go comparing any shipping community's behaviour to THAT CULT...it clearly shows loose objectivity.

So with my sincerest heart, I would advise you to change your space. You're clearly in toxic spaces, jikook and taekook-wise. This is bound to influence how you view not only jikook but more importantly, the jikook community.

There is a reason why I don't answer or comment on toxic asks. It's because it brings negativity to the jikook space. And I don't want that. I have found myself probably treading on that territory these days with this discourse. But I'll work it out to bring back the space to positivity and just focusing on Jimin and Jungkook.

Anyway, the final thing I'm going to bring up is that you all keep speaking about Jungkook and Jimin's relationship changing with no actual evidence. You all simply point out things happening now but fail to actually show a proper comparison to the past to highlight the 'CHANGE'. That's not how that works.

For instance, I can say their relationship changed in that Jungkook became a lot bolder with JImin publicly as opposed to years ago. He actively flirts with Jimin on stage when, for instance, during the Red Bullet Tour (back in 2014-2015), he didn't. Jimin did. See how easy that is? Comparison.

If you have any sound comparisons...with proper context, by all means, share. I'm up to hearing it.

PS. This does not include "they don't see each other as much" because we are not privy to how much they actually saw each other back then nor how much they did in 2022/2023.

Anyway, that's all from me. Peace!

[ggukkieisintominnie]

This will get me into shit BUT WHATEVER 🙄

I find it funny that ARMYs can sit and Kiki about Namjoon's "toxic male ex" but turn around to call Jimin and Jungkook brothers and us who support them delusional. Like the fuck...

Here is this ARMY doing what we "Jokers" are dubbed to do which is speculating Jimin and Jungkook's relationship being more than platonic. However while we get comments about being jokes and crazy...

... They get this as response. The double standards in this fandom I can't 🙄. Like not only that but the engagement is crazy as well for something that has no valuable prove whatsoever.

Here is another tagging the ex who apparently is known as "emoji guy".

Oh my... sharing or wearing the same shirt allows for ARMYs to conclude that Namjoon is indeed in a gay relationship so why is it when we do the same for Jimin and Jungkook; we are considered delusional.

Jikook has done more than just sharing the same shirt. Jimin went to bed in Jungkook's sweater which the other wore the whole day while carrying out his schedules for the day. But they are the ones boxed as brothers.

ARMYs are insufferable. They legit chose which members in the band are allowed to be suspected as Queer and who are not. Suspecting Jimin and Jungkook to be Queer in this fandom means you have to be skinned alive but hey Namjoon bi king, go off tongue technology Min Yoongi and bisexual icon Jung Hoseok I guess.

It a shame really especially for someone who has showed so much of their identity like Park Jimin to be shunned to heterosexuality because the fandom has such a mindset. Or just because accepting Jimin for anything but straight acknowledges that Jimin's relationship to Jungkook can actually be more than just platonic. Everything Jimin has done from ID: Chaos to Face means nothing to ARMY because they rather sit down and fascinate over the girl in the like crazy MV and the she/her lyrics to songs he has no writing credits on.

ARMYs will never change. It too late to change their backwards views but atleast they should not show up in Jikook spaces and spam with "they are brothers." "I do this with my sibling." comments. Are You Sure wasn't catered for the likes of those who will watch Jimin and Jungkook's relationship and just immediately cast them aside as platonic brothers without seeing and comprehending the beautiful bond they have. And hyping those who are claiming the travel vlog as shippers content.

No they do not have to believe that Jimin and Jungkook are in a love relationship but they also don't have the right to label their relationship as brothers because apparently ARMYs have proclaimed themselves as "who can be queer" police. ARMYs should watch Are You Sure and leave it at that if they don't have anything other than a stupid or an incestuous comment on it.

Like how is Jungkook slapping Jimin's booty something you do with your sibling? How is Jungkook's intense gaze on Jimin's sleeping form reminding you of how your father looks at you when you sleep? How the fuck are those takes normal?

This discourse can go on longer on how they are obsessed with the "rapper girlfriend" trope when it comes to Jungkook's relationship with Namjoon but I decided not to. But the truth of the matter is... ARMYs are annoying. If you are a Taekook, Namjin, Vmin or a Yoonmin shipper you deserve flowers and praise on your comment section but if you are a Jikooker you deserve a spam of "You are delusional" type of comments on your post.

I'm glad Jikook scares them so much. It feeds my soul. And it makes me believe in them so much more. Because Jimin and Jungkook even got "Queer ARMYs" hating on them. Like if they hate is coming from inside the house.... you better believe that shit is good.

Anyway 2moro's we officially hold a funeral to Are You Sure 😭😭😭😭 peace ✌

[queenhallebe]

I'll never get how people call themselves fans while still believing everything they do is scripted like 🤔 We get it y'all hate shippers but throwing the members under the bus is just crazyyy. The best thing I've ever done for myself as an Army and Non shipper, is to fully accept that jikook has an unusual bond. Bad?? No. Romantic?? Idk. Platonic?? Idk. They have something not a lot of male friendships have, and that's okay. They make people uncomfortable, not because they're “real” or “not real”, but because they defy( if that's the right word) what the society sees as friendships between men. I never knew accepting jikook's strange relationship as it is is an abomination in this fandom. I've seen people shunning me for having a jikook pfp and calling me a shipper, I've been shunned for saying Taekook just to save myself the trouble of writing long ahh “Taehyung and Jungkook”... Although that's not the point... Thing is, I'm not delusional enough to be fantasizing about the positions these men be effing one another in, nor taking valuable time out of my day to make crazy ahh fanarts. But neither am I so blinded by the hate for shippers that I completely go out of my way to call their relationship a script as if they were robots. That's just disrespectful... And trying to make shippers cry at the expense of jikook's relationship is just another level of stupidity... I love Jikook, I love BTS. I want their friendship, I want to be as close to another person as jikook is. So close that people would even question the status of our relationship... If they're just friends, I want that friendship... And if they're lovers, I want that for myself... If it's both, I want that. Yes, I would never make them puppets to fulfill all my failed relationship through them, but I want what they have. And it is what it is. I hate it when shippers go to the point of forgetting that jikook are real people, and they have lives outside of their relationship with one another, but I also hate it when people call every jikook interaction fan service... !!!

[peachjagiya]

Can I be honest, as someone who didn't know much about the world of kpop, when I came across Taekook I thought they were actually a confirmed couple that was out and I found them so adorable🤭 I was quite shocked to find out people were just shipping them and that they were not actually dating.

The only BTS or kpop song I ever knew of was Boy With Luv because at some point it was everywhere and super popular. Besides that I never felt compelled to look deeper into BTS. I used to watch these vlogs though from a Youtuber named Ben Kim, and at some point he began focusing his content more on kpop reactions. And so I came across one focused on Jungkook and I fell in love with him immediately. Who the hell was this funny, adorable, quirky guy with the cutest bob hair style that I hadn't seen on a guy before? 😍 And that's when I started paying more attention to BTS (but if I am being honest it was mostly for Jungkook 😂). I then discovered his cover songs and realized not only was he one of the cutest humans alive but also how insanely talented he is. His Lost Stars cover is just sooo good. Anyways while still being pretty ignorant to all the kpop stuff and BTS's story the algorithm led me to clips of the Dream Premiere and all I saw was two dudes who looked absolutely smitten with eachother and made a strikingly beautiful couple. They looked and acted like a couple or like they were in love, my brain didn't even question it.

Now I know about shipping and fanservice, I know how complicated it can all get and still no other ship has convinced me the way Taekook has. I have looked at the taekook timeline, I have seen some taekook channels, I think some theories are slightly far fetched or silly and can easily be applied to other ships. But there are some moments where it's undeniable that there is something between them and I just can't find another explanation for it. Like Dream Premiere and my absolute favorite 2019 MMA and MAMA (I actually believe 2019 is when they became serious, which is why I love seeing them at those awards shows, because urgh the body language screams whipped).

It's so funny to me when people get into these ship debates or overanalyze everything about them. I think it's really simple. They either have strong non platonic feelings for eachother or are just really close friends but appear to be hiding something about their relationship. Either way something is there and I feel like we can all see it. To me though everything about them makes sense in the context of them being in a relationship that they can't be entirely open about, and there is no discourse that can sway me. You just can't hide love, chemistry and attraction man and I see it with them even when they are being lowkey.

A nice TKK ask with a side of Jungkook appreciation?!

I love it.

[theschizotypalsolilquy]

I just know that that anon is the same person who was camping under two Jikook blogs yesterday and I don't know why y'all even waste your time on them because it's clear as day that they're just a Jungkook solo who's extremely homophobic.

It's okay to think that he's not with Jimin and that he's someone who fools around and has a high body count. Anything is possible. But to double down on the fact that "JK fucks girls" is all I need to know about that person and what their agenda really is. If the point they're trying to make is that it's unlikely for a young, handsome, successful and famous man like him to be in a committed monogamous relationship, then why is their emphasis only on the fact that he's sleeping with women? He can still be sleeping with men as well, no?

I love how they use "scandals" and that recent smoking clip of him *nonchalantly* staring at a girl for three seconds as proof that he likes pussy, but conveniently ignore all the times he's shown blatant attraction towards men over the years.

I wouldn't be surprised if anon is just a JK solo imagines herself as his future Y/N and doesn't like the fact that there are so many people who believe he possibly doesn't like women, likes men and even more so, that he's been in love with one for so many years. It shatters the illusion.

Anon should give up on coming here with some mission to make Jikookers "see the light". It's futile. There have been many like them years before, they're not the first. But what's always interesting about these people is that I've never see them camping under Taekook, Yoonmin and Vmin (when it still had people who genuinely believed they were in a romantic relationship) blogs with their theories.

I've always lurked on every side of ARMY Tumblr and I never see the other shippers getting such asks; it's always Jikookers. Which is strange considering that Jikookers aren't even nearly as loud as Taekookers or Yoonminers for them to always attract people like that.

Simple answer?

Cuz they feel threatened by a 5'9 androgynous beauty who gets heart eyes 24/7 from their solo stan.

But what they forget is that before Jimin's "glow up" (cuz dude was always hot he just matured into an ethereal being and honestly good for him) JK was still obsessed. Constantly touching and squeezing his arm muscles, the almost exorcist neck turn when Jimin would flash his abs during the choreo for "No More Dream", how when the members were asked what part of Jimin they liked the best, JK doubled down and said "all of that".

He LOVES that man. And whether they think it's platonic or romantic, some people have a problem with it. And that's horrible for them because their bond is so rare. It should be celebrated. The gods decided those two should meet, they should bond, and we are better for it. Because something like that comes along so rarely, and we are privileged to witness it.

But homophobic bitches and delusional yns ruin it. They can't accept it. I guarantee you that if those two weren't half as hot and as popular as they are, they wouldn't give a fuck. It's the audacity to them. How dare a gorgeous man love another gorgeous man? He should be getting all that pussy, spreading his seed far and wide, not settling for a man. How dare he gatekeep his own hotness??

That's how they think. And it's revolting.

[struggle-but-its-all-ocean-floor]

Gonna be brutally honest here (as usual) and say I'm disappointed that V is going to appear in the Jeju Island episodes of Are You Sure. The odds were high, but I hoped for a scene or two at best. I don't know how many episodes it will be, but I hope it's only two and the rest are Jikook alone in Japan. With V there the dynamic is going to be very different. Jikook won't be the same Jikook from episodes 1 and 2, and the fandom will be all "Vmin this, Vmin that" and "Taekook this, Taekook that". Not that the fandom matters much, but Vmin is one of those dynamics that everyone highly exaggerates about, like Namjin, Namkook or Sope.

Not to sound childish, but I wanted only Jikook on Jikook's show... This is probably our once in a lifetime opportunity to have Jikook all to ourselves. I'm sure the episodes will be fun and cute, but, yeah...

The only way I'd be happy about another member joining Jikook is if the member were Jin (literally impossible). I love (platonic) Jinkook as much as I love Jikook, and Jinjikook are a blast. I guess Namjoon joining Jikook would've potentially been hilarious too. Tbh, V is a member I love like family, and think is cute and funny, but he's also a member I've always struggled to connect with, especially lately when BTS are on hiatus and I haven't watched much V content, other than the Layover performances. And it's not V's fault but it really annoys me that when he's around all everyone sees in Vmin, the maknae line, and Taekook. Jikook are even more ignored than usual.

[chevelleneech]

Now there's the whole issue with peopleg giving AYS bad ratings on purpose. It just makes me so sad, how Jimin and Jungkook can never be enjoyed as a duo the way the rest are in BTS. And then Taekookers (and some ARMYs) have the audacity to say the company uses Jikook for fanservice because they make money off of them as a duo very easily, and I'm just like "where??". For who are they doing all this when a majority of the fandom are Taekookers and ARMYs who prefer Taekook together the most? We see it with the views all the time.

I don't know when people are gonna open their eyes. It's not HYBE's fault that Jikook have the kind of dynamic they do that they (the antis) obviously notice but hate for some reason.

Poor Jimin and Jungkook. I feel so sorry for them for real. I don't even want people to see what I see in them as someone who ships them, I really just dream about ARMY reacting to them the way they react to Vmin, Minimoni, Sope, Vhope, Taejin and literally any other duo in BTS. I just wanna come across a Jikook video and not come across weird, delusional and mean comments about them all the time that dismiss them having anything that goes beyond a co-worker relationship.

Do you think it hurts them to see how much the fandom hates seeing them together, or used to at one point?

My main takeaway, that proves these reviews are being left by people who are Tkk shippers and nothing else, is how hard they are trying to word things so they sound like unbiased, casual dislikes.

I’d usually say they don’t view the members are real people, but using things such as, “the script”, “the protagonist”, “falling flat”, “forced acting” makes it clear they actually do, and are aware that they have to twist things into fiction to come across as more “honest”.

They have to use words and phrases that don’t ping as being unnecessarily hateful, but to do that, they have to paint AYS as a scripted/forced project. Because how do you unbiasedly say, about a band you supposedly love and understand do skinship with each other in general, “I don’t like that these two members specifically are interacting.” without it coming across as you being hateful of those two members specifically? You can’t.

They can’t give real Anders to how or why JM and JK seem scripted, because doing that requires listing all the things they do and why it is fake, without also presenting a case for why it’s fake for other members including Tae and Wooga. Because doing that would also require proving Jimin and JK’s actions have been fake this entire time, which is delusional. No one is going to believe that 10+ year long best friends are doing scripted friendship shit now, but weren’t in the last. Not will anyone believe for a second that two people would fake being best friends for TEN YEARS. No paycheck is worth that, when it’s not an actual fictional tv show or movie.

As for whether not Jimin and Jungkook see it and are affected? I don’t know. I’d hope not, but they have access to the same internet as the rest of us, and have proven time again they know what’s going on in Armyland. So I would say yes, they do know there’s a certain faction of this fandom who hates them being a Them, and they likely do also know how little is done on the overall fandom to stop it.

Does it affect them? My guess is no. They’ve been a Them for a long time now, be-it platonic or romantic, and they haven’t changed their behavior. They know people think they’re dating, they continue to act like they’re dating. They know people don’t like seeing them together. They continue to be seen together. They know people think their friendship is forced by the company. They continue to call each other best friends.

So my take away is, if they do care what people think, they have worked very hard on making sure it doesn’t change their thoughts and feelings for each other, whatever they may be.

All that said, it is incredibly fucked up that Jimin and Jungkook being friends is disliked as much as it is. They don’t do anything but love on each other and love on the other members, yet one stupid group of fans are loud enough to put such a damper on that. Those people need help.

[beautifulpersonpeach]

Hi BPP, i noticed in one of your asks about Jikook, you mentioned paying attention to their Vlives and i swear to you that one of the biggest reasons i think Jikook are not just platonic is because of their Lives especially the ones when it’s just two of them. There is this different air around them and you can literally always feel how thick the air is with tension.

I know this might sound a little delulu but i 100% trust my guts when it comes to certain things. I’m usually not very great at catching things at first glance but when someone else catches those things and brings them to my attention, I’m exceptionally good at paying more attention and catching those things many people will miss. There is nothing in the world that can convince me that Jimin wasn’t with Jk in his room during that famous “naked bread Live” where Tae surprised Jk in his room. There is also Hobi’s Live from 2016 where Armys kept asking for Jimin and Hobi went to Jimin’s room and it was clear that they were hiding something or someone. Now this one is debatable as to who it was in Jimin’s room but there was 100% someone there with him as we could literally see a shadow pass by in the tv screen. Another Live that was very telling was the New Jersey Live of May 2019. That Live where Jk started a live and later panned to Jimin. That Live is a goldmine and minus all the analysis, anybody who has a little bit of a brain could immediately tell that something fishy was going on with Jikook. I always laugh when tkkrs also use that exact same Live as proof that taekook were sharing a room because of that statement Tae made about “weren’t we sharing a room”, i mean he came into the room and the first question he asked was, “whose room is this” he literally didn’t even know it was Jk’s room in the first place lol and if they were indeed sharing a room, why the hell will he feel the need to ask Jk “weren’t we sharing a room” outta nowhere? If you live in the same house as someone, do u just wake up outta the blue and ask them “aren’t we living in the same house?” How does it even make sense? If you paid attention you would notice that, just b4 tae said that, there was a cough sound that came from maybe the bathroom or something and Jk immediately asked Tae to stay put while he went to the bathroom and while he was there, you could hear him mumble something offscreen and that is when Tae said that. I always thought maybe tae said that to cover things up or he was just being his chaotic adorable self idk but that Live pretty michconfirmed alot of things for me. Not forgetting how Jk was literally kicking tae outta the room lol.

Almost all of the lives with Jimin and Jk in them pretty much give them away and the lives are my biggest reason for thinking Jikook are/were more than friends. I honestly can’t tell what kind if relationship they have with each other these days but nothing can convince me that those two have always just been platonic. Even if they have never actually dated each other or been in a relationship, i know that they have felt sexual attraction towards eo and have probably acted on it. I mean lets be serious here, why else do you think Jk would visit Jimin’s room multiple times a day, goes there really late at night and remains in there for abt 4 hours at a time “doing nothing” as Jimin said? Especially when he has 5 other hyungs he could visit and hang out with when he is bored. We know he is really close to Tae too so why wouldn’t he even spend some of that time hanging out with him? What is so interesting about any room Jimin is in that he has continued to be obsessed with those rooms for years BPP? Since b4 their debut, we they have always liked spending their nights together. Jk would pile clothes on his bed to go sleep in Jimin’s bed, when Jihope were roomates, it was the same time taekook shared their big living space together yet we found out from Jimin and Hobi that Jk came into their room every single night to sleep there. The one time staff hid cameras in their hotels rooms without telling them, what happened? Didn’t we all see Jimin and Jk getting into Jk’s hotel room together even though all the other members got into their rooms together? Let’s not even talk about Hobi’s bday Live in 2019 when Jimin had to come back to get Jk cuz it seemed like he couldn’t get into his room without him or how during the Live itself he mentioned telling Jk he wouldn’t be able to get which suggested that they were together in the same room before joining the Live.

I dunno combing through footage of all these years, it is crystal clear that there was/is something up with those two. They are just too sus.

Sorry for the extremely long ask.

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I agree.

[dearweirdme]

One thing that made me stop believing that Taekook is real was when Taehyung posted that Taekook Dream photo on his IG only to be seen going on a late night date with Jennie in Paris a few days after. It made me feel like he posted that TK photo on purpose to feed shippers and keep them occupied while he went to Paris with the person whom he was really in a relationship with.

I know you also think the video was real and not edited in any ways and definitely those were not cosplayers, but then you seemed to convince yourself that everything was just media play even when it was clear that Paris walk was a "soft launch".

I never questioned the bond that Taekook have. We can all see how close they are. I would have love to think it was more than a platonic relationship, but their dating rumors are telling me otherwise and Paris was the last straw for me.

I think Taekook do fanservice as a way to help each other cover up as to whom they are really dating. They do stuff like the Wooga ring, Hello Kitty plushie, the ILY sign, the stares etc etc to feed shippers so when dating rumors emerge, no one would believe in those rumors. Do I make sense?

Hi anon!

I don’t really feel like having yet another conversation about why I feel Taennie isn’t real. I mean, look through my tag system and you’ll find everything I have said on it in the past. I will say something on why I don’t feel you make sense though.

You’re basically contradicting yourself. You think it was a soft launch, but at the same time Tae needed to use Jk to hide his relationship with Jennie. When you soft launch something, you don’t also try to hide it. To me it also makes no sense at all for him to use a rumored queer relationship to hide a straight one. We’re talking about a hugely homophobic country here.

I think your thoughts are heavily based in heteronormative thinking. Because Jk and Tae are just as much a rumored relationship as any of the straight rumored ones. Theirs is the only rumored one though in which we have gotten actual organic clues from (opposed to Taennie which was all fed to us from outsiders).

I would like you to think about this… All throughout his career Tae has been given the narrative of weird/outsider/alienish. When he was a rookie he wasn’t allowed to be visible with the other members until their debut. He then was said to be quirky. His friendships outside of BTS were somewhat used to set him aside. His talk with Jk in ITS was edited in a way that made him look like the one who caused a rift; using his mental health issues. AYS once again put him in a narrative of being a guest.. amongst two people he is super close with. What effect do you think Taennie has had on his image…? It’s once again something that’s made him stand aside. It’s something that for Army’s made him connected to Blinks. It made him part of a dating scandal. In the wider context, Taennie is just another narrative Hybe stuck to him to make him susceptible to fandom criticism.

You are free to think Jk thought about ways to trick shippers before doing his first live in a year.. and came up with the brilliant idea of the Hello Kitty plush.. which ofcourse he made sure to pack up in a convenient place just for this occasion before moving house. I am however convinced that the plushie actually means something to him.

[jeonscatalyst]

I’m procrastinating from a project at work haha, and apologies if you’ve already answered a similar question! (And if I’ve sent in something similar already 💀)

At the tail end of what it looks like jikook prepared for us during enlistment (muse, golden documentary, AYS content), does it put anything into context for you differently? Such as, do you still believe jikook are irl dating and were so throughout chapter 2?

I always have to laugh at the biggest argument against jikook during chapter 2 was that they didn’t hang out in front of cameras. Do I think jikook saw each other a lot ahead of face? No. Do I think that then not seeing each other a lot mean they can’t be dating? No, and Jimin in particular was busy.

I always laugh at our clowns-in-law, because we really don’t know how much they’re hanging out off camera. We didn’t know about a whole taekook Hawaii trip until a year later, we wouldn’t have known jikook spent the night before jeju unless Jimin made an offhand comment.

All this Discourse from them about how jikook grew distant in chapter 2, as if they didn’t do the biggest act of devotion by picking the harder path (to go for the buddy means you’re automatically in one of the harder bases) so that they wouldn’t spend 18 months apart. Don’t know about you, but I’m personally not doing all that for someone I’ve been distant from for the past 6 months.

Hi anon.

“At the tail end of what it looks like jikook prepared for us during enlistment (muse, golden documentary, AYS content), does it put anything into context for you differently? Such as, do you still believe jikook are irl dating and were so throughout chapter 2?”

I have actually given a few of my thoughts on this already but I don’t mind repeating them. I think there is a good possibility that Jikook are irl dating or are in some kind of a romantic relationship, as a matter of fact I am certain that they have crossed the friendship boundaries (don’t ask me why, I just am lol) but the thing with the terms “dating” or “couple” is that they could be a little more complicated that people wish to admit. Just because two people are in a romantic relationship or have a relationship which isn’t platonic doesn’t necessarily mean they see themselves as a couple or think they are dating. I will always maintain that I think Jimin and Jungkook have been in a romantic relationship and possibly still are but I can’t say for sure if they have ever considered or termed what they were doing to be “dating” or being a “couple”, because of their circumstances or because of how much pressure labeling what they have could be on them. This isn’t me saying that is how things are in real life for them but just me saying this a possibility which means I could be 100% wrong.

To me it is clear that Jimin and Jungkook are attracted to each other, it is clear that they love each other and they also have quite a few couple-like behaviours even during chapter two and some of these behaviours could even still be seen in the show but the thing is, things never completely make sense and quite frankly they shouldn’t because there is a lot we don’t know. There are always going to be some question marks because we don’t have all the information. These guys have full lives behind the cameras that we know absolutely nothing about so expecting everything to always make sense or for all the dots to connect completely in situations like this is a bit unrealistic in my opinion. So anon, I do believe Jimin and Jungkook are in some sort of a romantic relationship, they could be a couple in a long term committed relationship, they could just be casually dating, they could be FWB, I honestly don’t know what kind it is so because I don’t know that, I don’t know if I would say I believe they are “dating” or a “couple” but I believe they are more than friends.

“I always have to laugh at the biggest argument against jikook during chapter 2 was that they didn’t hang out in front of cameras.”

This particular argument has never made alot of sense to me because one particular period of time could never debunk or prove that a romantic relationship happened so when I see people use this in their arguments against Jikook, I get the impression that they are either too young, have very little life and relationships experiences or are straight up dumb because anyone who actually treats this discussion like we are talking about real human beings and not some fictional characters we are shipping, would never use this as an argument. The only thing Jimin and Jungkook allegedly not seeing each other during a period in the solo era could mean or prove is that they probably were not actively “dating” or together at that particular point in time but it doesn’t debunk the idea that they were together before that or after that.

The thing is that shippers often cherry pick moments or value single moments over patterns and history. It’s how taekookers honestly believe that taekook are a couple just because they hung out frequently for a period of time even though everything that happened all the years before the solo era and even during the solo era proved that Taekook were definitely not a couple because they just didn’t have the history. People often forget that in the real world, human relationships ebb and flow, evolve and devolve. Even the closest people could experience moments in their relationships where distance creeps in, I mean 10 years is a long time for a lot of things to happen but some people seem to think that human beings and relationships and feelings remain the same.

Instead of the cult thinking that things changed and taekook finally started spending more time together when it was more convenient or simply because they both made the concious decision to do that so they could bridge the distance that crept in, they choose to believe that before the solo era, some people were restricted from hanging out with anyone they chose but had more freedom after they all started doing their own things. Dumb I tell you.

Truth is, because we don’t know how much they hang out behing cameras, we have to listen to them and not just make assumptions. While I understand that they cannot always be completely honest with us about everything they get up to behind the cameras and that they sometimes have to lie to protect their privacy, I see no reason why they would ever have to lie about something as simple as seeing or spending time with each other. Sometimes fans exaggerate or purposely bend or twist their words to make things worse or better but I believe when it comes to stuff like that, they have no reason to lie. It’s either they choose to say something about it or say nothing at all if they don’t think it is our place to know.

I don’t necessarily think Jikook were distant in chapter two. It is obvious to me that they weren’t much so but I do think things weren’t the same for them. I think whatever relationship they have/had experienced some hiccups but not necessarily “distance”. They were clearly so important to each other for Jk to do everything he did for Jimin during his debut and the fact that they chose to enlist together says alot too so whatever haters have to say falls apart when you think about all these. Funny how they claim they were distant yet Jikook somehow keep ending up with each other, every step of the way. Take a look at their every milestone since they debuted, Jikook just somehow always managed to end up by each other’s side.

[stupendousfoxthing]

Give or take a few days because I don't know exactly when it happened, this is approximately my eight-year anniversary of becoming a Taekooker. 😂 I just know it was around Thanksgiving 2016.

THAT'S SO CRAZY TO ME. Some post shower thoughts about this: It's interesting looking back on my first year or two as a Taekooker now. I was never vibing with the camp that thought they had been _together_ together for a while at that point. I always felt that 2015-2017 were angsty transitional years, and that honestly could have gone on for longer. The nape kiss happening in late 2018 tells me it had crossed a line beyond platonic by that point, but the timeline is uncertain outside of that. The most interesting thing to me looking back though, especially after solo era made me more sure than ever about them, is that I really did see and recognize something in 2016 that was real and I have watched it bloom. Whatever happens, it has been an entirely joyful ride. It has never been hard for me. I love being a Taekooker.

ALSO: If you're in the US/PR please make sure to buy your White Christmas cds and/or stream for Taekook. :))))

[mini-jiminie]

https://www.tumblr.com/mini-jiminie/767184888661262336/i-was-watching-some-yoonmin-edits-and-felt-all?source=share

I'm not a shipper, I'm Jimin-biased, and I also came across that post. One thing I've noticed about people who ship Jimin and JK with others is that they are always extremely insecure and bitter over Jimin and JK's friendship. They are just incapable of being satisfied with their ship being real while simultaneously accepting that there's at least a deep, platonic bond between JM/JK. No, in their minds, those two have to hate each other when the cameras stop rolling and every nice thing they say about one another has to be scripted in order for them to be able to imagine Jimin coming home to Yoongi, JK coming home to Taehyung or Jin at the end of the day.

I always wondered why, but I've come to realize that there's only one example for it, no matter how crazy it may sound every time I think about it. They see whatever Jikookers swear is there too, but they obviously hate it because they wish it existed somewhere else and they hate that other people boldly point it out over and over again, like rubbing salt into their wounds,

and that's how posts like the one from that Yoonmin blog come to be, that's how there's always this unnecessary outrage within the fandom every time Jimin and the maknae just exist next to each other and treat one another like human beings (I acknowledge they objectively have some very eyebrow-raising moments; I'm not talking about that but just genuinely mundane moments where they just smile at each other, laugh together, touch each other in the most innocent, typical way ever and say decent things about/to each other. Even those things get people mad). That's how their relationship as a duo becomes somewhat taboo in the fandom.

It's fascinating to witness as an "outsider", someone unattached to any of them as hypothetical romantic pairs.

Also I ask myself why these people ship Jimin with their favorites so much when it's clear as day they don't like him. You can't believe Jimin is in a loving, committed relationship with this one person while he, according to you, consistently plays at romance with another and lies every time because he's apparently so fame hungry. Nah. Let it go.

Thank you for your perspective!

I'm always curious about how people outside the shipping bubble perceive the discourse that happens within it.

The way you describe the general attitude towards jkk (within the fandom) as 'somewhat taboo' is honestly spot on. It's something that's always fascinated me because even bringing up the word 'jikook' within a broader fandom context gets everyone's panties in a twist. There have been countless ot7-focused accounts who've gotten harassed to the point of having to take down jkk-focused posts or posts even mentioning them as a duo. It's pretty mind-boggling because the outrage wouldn't exist if it wasn't rooted in some sort of fear.

You've summed it up brilliantly here:

"They see whatever Jikookers swear is there too, but they obviously hate it because they wish it existed somewhere else and they hate that other people boldly point it out over and over again, like rubbing salt into their wounds,"

There's a vast majority of army that are cultists or, have joined the fandom through the cult's indoctrination (I can't think of a better term:)). Part of this indoctrination is the narrative that jm is incentivised by the company to tear taekook apart. Yet apparently, he's also their beard? So, jm is the devil but also simultaneously Mother Theresa because he selflessly protects his best friends who are a couple. Unfortunately, there are so many people with this mentality who make up the older part of the fandom (people who have stanned them for a while). Somehow, the cult has normalised default favour for themselves and have so much sway over the fandom. It's so disturbing because of their generally deranged attitudes towards jm and jkk.

On yoonminners, again, you've hit the mark:

"You can't believe Jimin is in a loving, committed relationship with this one person while he, according to you, consistently plays at romance with another and lies every time because he's apparently so fame hungry."

As a jm-biased army too, I completely understand your frustrations. In shipping discourse, it seems that it's mainly him who receives the brunt of everyone's hate. Even yoonminners, who you would think would defend him as he's their only stake in this discourse, always manage to direct some passive-aggressive comment towards him under the guise of affirming their ship. Because how on earth does the 'jikook are money hungry slaves at hybe's mercy' narrative paint jm in any light but a horrible one?

[peachjagiya]

Maybe tae and jk were hanging out in '23 bcs they were both free and none of the other members were? Atleast this year is proving this jikook theory right. Tae is still a social butterfly but he has not once been spotted with jk in the past 9 months. Everything else is still like solo era except for the never ending taekook hang outs 😕

I have to admit my jaw dropped at this. They're in the military. How is this anything like solo era?

We don't know what their leave arrangements are like or what the approval system is. Tae was awarded this leave for completing a gruelling physical thing. We know nothing of when JK has been on leave other than assuming he had leave for Chuseok. How are they going to have as many hang outs?!

Did you truly expect we'd get pictures of the two of them seeing each other? I went into this MS period believing that enlistment would be the last time we'd see them individually together until June.

Quite aside from the fact that they have actually spent time together in previous years, let's put this dumb jimkooker theory to bed:

👉 Here is a post from @5and3nevermind detailing all the times Jimin and Yoongi found time to hang out, 9 times minimum in person, though it's likely more because he was "working out with Yoongi a lot" implying more than once. That doesn't factor in phone calls.

That's two members who weren't too busy.

👉 Here's Namjoon hanging with Jimin:

A third member not too busy.

👉 Here's a bonus of Namjoon walking into Jimin's live without audibly complaining about being asked to:

But actually that's beyond the point because Taekook did see other members over 2023, didn't they? So where does this idea that Taekook's time spent together was because other members weren't around come from?

👉 Here is Taehyung with Namjoon:

👉 JK also managed to organise his schedule to see Yoongi before enlistment.

The other members clearly weren't too busy to organise things with. They all found time to do stuff with other people.

It's a dumb argument that seems to exist just to diminish their relationship, romantic or platonic. Fact is that Taekook didn't just see each other occasionally. They saw each other a lot by comparison to other members. By my count just under 20 confirmed together days, including Hawaii, and up to 30 if you include plausible speculation where we just don't have a confirmation. This doesn't include facetiming whilst apart which seems to be a common thing for them. And that's just what we know about.

(Amusingly, 30 is just under ten percent of the year. Like 8% or something. How much of ITS got edited out, according to Yoongi? 90%? I'm not saying the maths is precise or reliable or that Yoongi's estimate is on the dot but those numbers did make me laugh.)

With that much time together, we might just have to admit they chose each other a lot and let this ridiculous demeaning narrative die.

Edit to add: they don't owe us pictures or hints. They don't even owe us being a couple. Maybe some tkkrs need to remember that instead of keeping a log of selcas and treating two humans as only as good as the last way you perceived them.

[5and3nevermind]

Hey,

I'm new to your blog and yoonmin. I am not a shipper but I've always felt a certain softness in them which I couldn't find in other BTS ship... wait maybe Taehyung and Jungkook. Coming to the point, when I was new to the fandom on Twitter I got bombarded with either taekook or namjin or jikook videos but a lot of people didn't consider or hyped yoonmin as they hyped vmin or jikook. My point is we used to see a lot of content from vmin and still see from jikook so why do you think there is more to yoonmin then these two ships? Vmin I may understand because they have a very different vibe but Jikook is so popular and are so close (not in 2023). You think there is any reason to assume jikook got distanced and therefore yoonmin came more closer this year. No, I don't believe in jikook and I'm not implying Jimin chose Yoongi as a second option. Please don't take this otherwise, this is not a comparison post. I'm really trying to learn about ym and other ship dynamics so may say something which might offend someone. I think the best way to learn is from a person who loves them both. 💜

Hi anon!

So…I answered a similar ask here. (Just adding so that I don’t repeat myself too much 😉)

You asked if I think Jimin and Jk became distant and that drew Jimin closer to Yoongi, and the short answer is absolutely not. First of all, I think Jimin and Jk are still very close.

Secondly, Jimin and Yoongi being a close-knit pair is nothing new. Yes, they were more open/visible in 2023, but this is a relationship (whether it’s romantic or platonic) that goes back years.

I’m just going to throw some receipts at you. I hope that’s ok!

- This (and this and this and this) was yoonmin during debut era. And here’s a bold move by Jimin in 2014.

- Yoongi and Jimin have been hanging out in their free time for years. They’ve mentioned going out to dinner/drinks, gaming together, working out together, Yoongi cooking for Jimin, long conversations, Jimin watching Yoongi do his shoulder rehab, Jimin visiting Yoongi’s parents’ house in Daegu, etc, etc.

- Even during periods when Jimin and Yoongi weren’t as visible (and some people thought they broke up), stuff like this and this and this happened.

- It seems like Jimin and Yoongi have a special affinity for each other. Jimin has used pics of Yoongi as the wallpaper on his phone, and Yoongi has done the same with pics of Jimin. Yoongi says he likes Jimin’s voice best. Jimin attended three of Yoongi’s concerts. Both Jimin and Yoongi have said many times over the years that if they could work on a song with another member, they’d choose each other.

And I’m only scratching the surface, anon! There is soooooo much going on with yoonmin over 11+ years. This is my long-winded way of saying that I don’t think Jimin’s friendships with Tae or Jk or any other member are what define yoonmin.

I hope that answers your question! Let me know if you have any others.