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My thought is that in the past Yg was very insecure and believed he is not worthy of someone else love (i rememer during one promo it was even written smth like "don't get close to me you will only get hurt"--?? -- or smth between these lines). There is possibility that Yg for a long time was pushing away J when he was giving him affection. Maybe that was what happened during those "tough times"... maybe someone confessed and someone got scared (it became too real and serious). And maybe during those times J tried to cheer up and made some decisions that led to the situations that we now see. And to his words when he said that he "learned that he can only trust on his members" -? im so bad at quoting sorry. That is just my theory but hey... it's a human nature and normal thing to do. many men or women even act this way. Broken heart = don't wanna think about this = fidning solutions to turn off my mind. .. It would also make sense --i think --- why later J said that Y "needs to beg" and that " i want you to want me more" . And maybe that actress maybe even caught feelings and wanted things to be serious but was met with the wall and didn't like it? didn't want to accept?

Hi, anon! While I see what you’re saying, I think there could be a little too much speculation here. (Just my opinion!)

Is it possible he dated her? Sure. But how do we even define that? One date, two dates, serious relationship, we have no idea. I think it’s also possible that they were friends.

I agree with you that Y and J having feelings for each other probably wouldn’t be an easy thing for them to navigate.

I feel like the only thing about my yoonmin thoughts that has changed is that I now think their rough patch in early 2020 was perhaps more serious than I’d previously thought.

I’ve had over 24 hours to sit with the new information, and I keep coming back to the same conclusions.

Thanks for the ask!

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Yoonmin in June, July, and August 2025

+ working out together

+ sharing a car to the airport

+ possible yoonminjoon dinner in LA

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Ok I’m getting lots of asks and messages and whatnot. Please be patient with me. I’ll be offline for several hours today, so it will take me some time to respond. It’s also possible I’ll miss something, and if that happens, I’ll need to get caught up.

Please enjoy this yoonmin pic in the meantime:

Aren’t they lovely?

Also, please read what I’ve already said. My opinion is unchanged as of now. Whatever happened is clearly in the past, in my opinion. That will continue to be my opinion unless there is information to suggest otherwise.

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So during the covid era do you think they broke up and dated other people (specifically women)? I always thought that was the case for years even back to 2016 but no yoonminer ever wanted to entertain that.

I thought they had a rough patch from late 2019 until about March or April 2020. I’ve talked about it before here and here. I talk about the BE-hind Story and J saying he learned that he can only trust the other members here (the relevant part is #7 on the list).

Previously, I assumed they didn’t have a full break-up, just a rough patch. Who knows.

What I do know is that all of the information we have from D is from a very specific time period. I also know that ym seemed closer than ever starting in about May 2020 and going all the way up through to the present. It is kind of crazy how that timing works out, isn’t it?

I have other thoughts, but it’s probably best to wait and see if anything else happens.

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Recent anon:

Yes, the company is in a difficult position if they want to release a statement.

There are idols in confirmed relationships. There are idols who are married. We can look at those situations and see how they were handled.

What we are seeing is not that. So…it is something else.

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They could be friends too yk. People jumping on her calling her crazy b^tch or a stalker are so weird. Jm didn’t seem uncomfortable when he saw her, his reaction was rather chill and funny. Besides the stalker wouldn’t walk in to apartment that requires a key card.

That being said I don’t understand her intentions of posting it now. Maybe they got into a fight and that was her way of getting back at him? Maybe fans of his have been against her for so long, sending her hate that she felt like posting something that will tell them “i know him and you don’t”. It looks like she didn’t thought it through and maybe her intentions weren’t vile, bc she posted where he lives and at what floor unintentionally probably(but I don’t think that’s much of an issue, since he lives in apartments with heavy security and without a card you won’t get in ). I personally don’t like how people hate on her and call her slurs and bring up that she “denied dating him” - well maybe they never dated and were or are just friends? Friends visit each other too at their house or some of them even owns their own keys to their friends house. Every member is allowed to have friends outside of the group (and they have) regardless of the gender. Armys are blinded too much by this “bts family” agenda that they convinced themselves that members won’t have friends outside of the group (they hate f.e Jungkook 97 line friend group).

Of course they could be friends? Or neighbors? Or exes? We have no idea!

What I do know is this: she is mad at Army, but it’s not like she was just living her life and people made connections between her and him. She’s posted stuff and immediately deleted. She’s hinted they are dating, then said they’re not, then hinted again. She posted videos with his face covered. She claimed she was suing stalkers but posted a screenshot to an old case that didn’t involve her. She released a statement (right after she posted these latest videos) saying she just signed with a new company and within hours that company released a statement saying that they have no exclusive contract with her.

J has friends. The other members have friends. We can see what that looks like, and it isn’t this.

If they were currently friends, she’d post a nice selfie with him and say she’s thankful for their friendship. That’s not at all what happened.

You’re aware of why her acting career never took off, right? By her own admission she was friends with Seu____ and worked at one of his clubs. Her name was in headlines about that scandal. It’s hard for me to have any sympathy for her because of this. Sorry.

I don’t think she’s crazy at all. I think she’s very strategic.

Obviously, J has some connection to her. But I see no way that connection is current. Just none at all, and I’ve already explained why.

Let’s please not forget the time period we are talking about here: 2020. The time when J has said he went through a difficult phase, when Yg asked during Suchwita if he was “living like a fool?” And J said “you would know,” the time period represented in Face Off, a song that J said was about a group of friends who violated his trust. It was shortly after this period that J said that he learned he could only trust the other members. How do these two happily dating fit into any of that?

There are a lot of people willfully denying the timing and trying to act like this is some happy boyfriend reveal. They are ignoring a lot of information.

(and if you’re going to say, “well, what about ym?” I have explained that this seemed to be a rough patch for them, and I believed that even before Face was released. I could see it.)

I think maybe J saw all of this coming. Maybe that’s why he went out of his way to talk about living alone. (We know about ym’s living situation. I think they are in separate apartments.)

Sorry if this sounds grumpy, anon, but don’t lecture me about the guys being allowed to have friends outside the group. I love their friendships. But I also listen to the guys and I know there have been times their trust was betrayed and that navigating friendships outside of the group can be quite difficult. J said it himself.

I’m suddenly reminded of the whole situation with T and Je____. I remember seeing one of the leaked photos of them in which he’s leaning in to kiss her and she is cringing and has her arms crossed. And I remember thinking, “I don’t know if this is real or not, but if it’s real, things aren’t going well.” It’s honestly crazy how much people are willing to ignore just to feel better about their own ship. Does this look like a healthy or normal situation to anyone? Honestly? Please. Unlike a lot of ot2s, I try to apply the same standards regardless of if it “helps” my ship or not. Most of us can recognize healthy relationships (platonic or romantic).

Anyway.

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Do you seriously think Hybe will say something? Idk. I have a feeling they will keep quiet and wait for the rumor to just be forgotten

It’s funny you sent this because I was actually just wondering why I was so quick to say that. They don’t seem to make many clarifying statements lately when it comes to dating rumors.

I can see both sides. If they make a statement, many people won’t believe it anyway. If they don’t, a lot of people will see that as confirmation that the rumor is true.

Of course, we’d believe J, but there’s no way he will say anything. He shouldn’t have to. That’s part of the company’s job, to handle these situations so that J can focus on other things.

I actually think she wants a statement to be made, even if it’s a denial. Keeps her name out there, which seems to be the goal.

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Follow-up: you know I won’t post that 😉 but feel free to dm me. A lot of people are choosing to ignore that the video is from 2020 or 2021, which is just odd. Why would you act like it’s current? Oh, right. Changes the whole context. [“you” as in people, not you anon]

Also, so kind of her to show what floor he’s on. I’m sure that was done out of love [<- sarcasm]

Anyway.

Recent anon:

My instinct is usually to be friendly and find common ground with others. I tried to do that when I first came here. Over time, I discovered that there wasn’t much common ground to find. I have unfollowed and blocked a lot of people.

Anyway.

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Recent anon:

My instinct is usually to be friendly and find common ground with others. I tried to do that when I first came here. Over time, I discovered that there wasn’t much common ground to find. I have unfollowed and blocked a lot of people.

Anyway.

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❤️‍🩹❤️‍🩹❤️‍🩹 Yoonmin in Newark - 2023 ❤️‍🩹❤️‍🩹❤️‍🩹

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She's posted things (that I know of) only from around that same time period which feels telling. It was a very uncomfortable thing to see. I mostly just hope he's ok, cause whatever it is she's up to does not feel like the type of thing you do when you care about a person.

Anon, I agree. Something about this feels off, and I hope he’s ok.

I am really in a predicament because there is so much I could say, but I’m not sure that’s in the guys’ best interest. I wonder if I can be vague but still get my point across. (Thank you for not mentioning any names in your ask. That helps!)

Ok…

- I don’t see any way they are currently dating. He has not reciprocated any of her hints, in fact he’s made efforts to say the exact opposite. After being discharged, he traveled for filming and then has been out of the country for weeks. He’s one of the few members who has not returned to SK during this time. Personally, I think it’s clear they are not currently together, because NOTHING she’s posted is recent, and NOTHING has been reciprocated by him.

- as recently as late 2023, J was going out of his way to say he lives alone. He said it multiple times. I’ll always put his words above other people’s especially someone with integrity issues.

- we know the scandal she was associated with previously, right? Her level of involvement is not clear. But google her name and the name of the scandal and/or the club and/or the main dude associated with that scandal, and…yeah.

- so to me, I do not view this the same way as if we got this information from another idol or celebrity.

- I just want to say that I have always known it was possible that the guys dated other people. That is not the issue here. The issue is who this person is and the fact that none of this is being reciprocated.

- it feels like a violation of his privacy.

- beyond issues with her trustworthiness, there is a pattern with what she has posted. I agree with you, anon! Every single thing is old. Everything. The “unreleased” video taken by Hb, the video she took from Weverse, this new video. (I’m J biased and I remember that exact outfit and it is not recent!)

- I still think that apartment complex offers a furnished option, which is why so many of the things in his apartment (and hers) match not only each other but also the display unit. It is also clear that she lived in the apartment complex before he bought his unit. So, I’m confused about how that would have worked.

- I see people mentioning a hug? Where are people seeing a hug? He doesn’t even take his hands out of his pockets but now I sound goofy, so just ignore me. (Or it’s possible there’s more I haven’t seen?)

- I previously thought that he likely didn’t know her at all. That appears to be incorrect.

- I could be wrong (clearly; see above), but I think the company will address this. So, let’s be patient.

- still love my y/m so much!

All of this is just my opinion and subject to change!

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There’s a lot I want to say, but there are certain things I’ve decided I just won’t say here. So, I’m stuck.

There’s a reason I don’t trust her, but I won’t say the name here because I don’t even want that phrase associated with our guys at all.

I think one thing we can all agree on is that the video is not recent. I remember that outfit. It’s from…2020? 2021?

Let’s wait and see what happens. 💛

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bonus: koala Jimin

koala yoongi ♡

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remember when (127/366) yoongi won a bean paste steamed bun and gave jimin a bite just for doing aegyo

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The Muse vinyl is so pretty 🩵🖤🩵

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is it you who changed? or is it me? happy birthday annie @kimtaegis ♡