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Sorry if you've been asked this before, but can Alters (in DID) present as having separate disorders? For context, we have alters that show complete criteria for certain PDs nobody else shows symptoms of. I know symptom holders are a thing, but I really doubt we deal with that much.
this is a complicated subject, and the short answer is "sort of".
there's plenty of documentation of alters having physiological differences - alters that are vision impaired while the body isn't, and in tests their eyesight is legitimately different, to cite a well-known example (check out this 1991 journal article replicating an older study). the ISST-D DID treatment guidelines notes physiological differences between alters including "differences in visual acuity, medication responses, allergies, plasma glucose levels in diabetic patients, heart rate, blood pressure readings, galvanic skin response, muscle tension, laterality, immune function, electroencephalography and evoked potential patterns, functional magnetic resonance imaging activation, and brain activation and regional blood flow using single photon emission computed tomography and positron emission tomography among others". there's also a post here that neatly summarises this.
as for mental disorders, that's a bit tricky. most mental disorders have a biological basis. neurological and neurodevelopmental disorders (like autism) are hardwired into the brain, so it's not possible for only one alter to have a neuro disorder, though they may show symptoms that could be interpreted that way (probably more trauma linked though) (though trauma does affect your brain's structure... anyway, i digress). (in fact, van der Hart et al. note “autistic and [disabled] parts” as a type of part, that “can be regarded as more or less elaborated ANPs or EPs whose characteristics are defined by the action system(s) which mediate their functioning and which involve particular psychological defenses.”)
it's possible (and actually very common) that an alter will develop an eating disorder or self-harm while others don't. @this-is-not-dissociative has some posts on this: on PTSD, mental disorders, and a more in-depth explanation.
as for personality disorders, there's some argument as to whether PDs are hardwired or not. so it would depend on that. it's more likely that your alters are displaying trauma reactions than having full-fledged PDs. [though since most PD cases are trauma-caused, it's kind of a moot point anyway...]. (remember that trauma reactions are very varied - for example grandiosity in NPD is often a trauma reaction, but so is feeling inferior in AvPD!)
Summary: maybe! if there's no biological basis, it's most likely a trauma reaction. if there is a biological basis, it's more likely that they have that disorder - with the caveat that if it's something body-wide, like diabetes for instance, obviously all alters will have it, but they may react & present differently to symptoms, treatment, etc.
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My personal alternative headcanons for Sebastian solace
#agirlwithmagicpals#nerodiversity#nerodivergent headcanons#actually autistic#sebastian solace#sebastian pressure#pressure roblox#autism headcanon#I personally believe he has certain ticks due to trauma#physical ticks#hand rubbing Stim#hand stim#hand gestures#verbal autistic#stim toys#tail stim#brown outfit#white outfit#loves to dress like that#autism symptoms#honest is highly valued by this guy of course#loves the beach to death#Fiddles and tinkers with many things#Tee hee big fish tee hee#high functioning autism#am i projecting?#self indulgence at its finest
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PSA:
If you have related to how I have described Nathan’s struggles with his mental health and some experiences with life; emotional, physical and social etc (ignore the story/his fam background for this; I mean if you have been able to relate to his feelings/anxiety/negative physical sensations etc.)
Might be worth it to get your blood checked.
Especially B12, Vitamin D, Iron levels and Ferritin (ferritin should be 100+).
Building on top of the character, character background, and my research into trauma / mental health etc, I have always used a lot of my personal experience when describing emotions, feelings, and how mental health issues can feel like or present. It’s my attempt to make the writing feel realistic, had I experienced the things in the story or not. Aka even if the story was high fantasy and thus not realistic, I’d source my own feelings to make it ‘real’.
So. Regardless of what's causing it in the story: If you have ever related to how Nathan FEELS or describes his experience with the world and his brain… (Anxiety, depression, chronic fatigue, feeling like an outsider/in a fishbowl, easily overwhelmed or over tired; social withdrawal, social anxiety, heart palpitations, chest pains, breathlessness, dissociation, irritability, issues with cognitive function; memory, overthinking, insomnia, brain fog, panic attacks, slow recovery from physical activity, etc etc et fucking c)
Turns out bish has been chronically deficient of many things for a very long time due to stomach issues that stopped nutrients from absorbing. Antidepressants have never successfully worked for me, and it’s now looking like that’s because my mental health stuff could've largely been a physical symptom, instead of just purely mental health??
I have been on a pile of supplements for a bit now and uhh… It’s like night and day? Even with the other health stuff I've been getting treated for, it's been... So much better?? Like. Life changing amount of difference?? And I’m only just starting out fixing these deficiencies, which could take a long time. But...
Holy shit, “Better” might actually be a real thing after all?? There was a reason I've been so "stuck"???
Kind of mad… And sad. Because if this is true and I keep feeling like I have been recently, it means I’ve lost a lot of time to this. I try to focus on how good I’ve been feeling though, and stay curious for this journey of what literally feels like a second chance at life.
Just… Wanted to post this in case it could help someone else. This is a highly personal experience, mental health issues absolutely exist on their own too and there's possibly often overlap as well. But stuff like this can make existing mental health conditions worse too, so either way it’s worth checking.
Yeah. So.
Happy new year?
From someone who might be pulling a whole Phoenix moment???? xx
#Apologies for the silence here#Been going through a lot if you can imagine lol#I have a bunch of asks and messages to catch up to#I'm so sorry for taking forever#It might take me a bit longer still but I promise I'll get back on here at some point hopefully soon#Your messages mean so much to me<3#Take care everyone <3#Also#the description of Nathan's experience could and would still be rather accurate#even if you don't have these physical health issues!!#Depression and anxiety etc from a deficiency is still depression and anxiety#+ when I write Nathan I have a set of mental health “maps” or “guides” for his character (like C-PTSD and CEN and OCD)#Yes I use my own feelings and experiences to describe his anxiety etc#But his character is built around specific mental health markers / trauma research / symptoms etc (like C-PTSD and CEN and OCD)#So I'm pretty sure Nathan's POV would still look very similar based on just that research and ignoring the stuff in this post#Hope this all makes sense :'o
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Why is the answer to "why am I doing that" always ptsd. Villain origin story
#had a nightmare that i only sort of remember and am insanely hyper and wired#but like i dont feel anxious only kind of numb? which being disconnected from your emotions like that is very much a trauma thing#like experiencing the physical symptoms of it but struggling to recognize it#at least according to The Body Keeps the Score#absurd and annoying mental disorder#ptsd#complex ptsd#post traumatic stress disorder#cptsd#trauma#anxiety#mental health#mental illness#mentally ill#vent#okay to reblog
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hey team any advice for someone coming to terms with being disabled haha👀 kinda freaking out about the whole “holy shit this is the rest of my life and no matter how hard i try i’ll never be normal”
#disabled#<- for reach#autism has been getting so much worse to the point where i haven’t bought groceries in 2 weeks and have no food#also physical health going downhill and pain getting worse and#symptoms of physical disabilities caused by trauma and shit becoming more apparent and harder to live with#can’t afford drs struggling to do my job and all i do is work cause i don’t have energy for anything else#sorry for the vent but had scary moment yesterday that’s made me spiral
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I did something completely out of my comfort zone and I lived!
#Wasn’t prepared for freeway driving at all but I surprisingly didn’t screw myself or the person following me over#now that I have Siri hooked up to the car stereo that is#Also nothing quite like being on high alert all day to give you a tension headache#But fortunately for me it wasn’t warranted because if anyone wanted to like chop me up and put me in a freezer they would have#But I’m talking to you now and I’m obviously not dead so woohoo#Don’t worry I never go into anything unprepared. And I’m the most resourceful person I know other than my father#Who does not surpass me but equals me#But yeah they’re actually nice and neurodivergently-honest and not trying to love bomb me so far as I can tell#Because I was getting “this is weird” vibes but never the “don’t do this you’re gonna die” feeling#And they’re quite obviously auDHD so I crunched some numbers based on observable behavior and determined#much of the bubbly “too much” behavior was coming from that#but I was unaccustomed to it because I’m on the polar opposite end of the DSM for ADHD (unsure of autism)#and am less likely to recognize behaviors I don’t engage in as being a symptom of neurodivergence#If that makes any sense at all#Like I’m heavily heavily introverted and quiet and soft-spoken and never initiate friendly physical contact with anyone while talking#I’m very reserved with people I don’t know and am in possession of the most blunted affect known to man and don’t reveal my hand#Ever#So seeing someone engage in the opposite of those behaviors to a degree that isn’t normal with me made me take a step or two back#because my sensory/social/trauma issues are opposed to those kind of things#So I prepared just in case my assessment of them was incorrect but everything turned out fine.#I may be extremely introverted and socially awkward (or at least I feel like I am)#but I make up for it by being able to read shrimp social cues— social cues you didn’t even know existed#(And I also project the vibe of “I have eyes in the back of my head” which makes me kind of scary for someone as slight as I am)#But yeah I’m grateful to have met them and that they’re nice#It sounds like I don’t like them but I swear I do. The circumstances of the journey made me more apprehensive than the person themself
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Me in high school: yeah I’m pretty lucky; I have ADHD but not rly anything else haha. Guess I’m the outlier!
Me, now, staring down the barrel of a PTSD diagnosis on top of the fibromyalgia, probable dysmenorrhea, autism, adjustment disorder, heart rate issues still unexplained, and ADHD: oh I am not the outlier I thought I was.
#blue chatter#I know I’m still very lucky#I know that most of my shit isn’t physical and the physical stuff is decently manageable#and I can care for myself and do bADLs and iADLs on my own#but goshdang I’d like to stop finding out about more fucked up things going on with my body#‘oh by the way the reason your sound sensitivity got suddenly worse when you moved to a new place with safe people is not random chance’#‘oh by the way the dissociative episodes aren’t just bc you’re doing EMDR and that’s exhausting’#‘oh by the way the fact that EMDR is even working for you this well is probably indicative that you need trauma help’#I hate that this is a ‘worse before it gets better’ thing also#it feels very unfair#that I get all these symptoms after I’m out and safe and not in an abusive environment anymore#I understand why. I understand that I’ve essentially been procrastinating on feeling or processing any of this for 20-odd years#but it hurts to finally feel safe and comfortable and then get hit with 7 pickup trucks in a row of new scary symptoms
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"and then ended up cosmically separated; luz lost her fucking mind for years trying to get back to him" - got stuck with a similiar idea I won't ever make a fic out, but it starts with him saying "That can still be arranged" after that overly dramatic entrance, only to then immediately use the staff to stop the human that is rushing at him (Luz tearing up and sprinting for a hug), becuase she is an enemy BUT ALSO because his armour is scalding hot and he subconsciously wants to protect her.
MMMMMMMM. this is a slightly different premise from the dream but i've been thinking about writing hunter memory loss fic for ages.... there's this art of belos removing & burning hunter's memories of flapjack and luz and the emerald entrails that. Sticks With Me.
the thing that really gets me abt that kind of fic is when the body and the subconscious remembers but the consciousness doesn't.... hunter like i don't know you and you're telling me we're family and i know you're lying bc i Don't Know You but i want So Bad to trust you and part of me is So Sure i can trust you... what gives
there's something So Deeply Compelling about the concept of luz """betraying eda""" and """joining the emperor's coven""" because hunter will only trust her if she's another soldier....
and belos being like 🤨 i KNOW what you're trying to do, luz. & luz being like no no i really am sooooo super loyal i've come around to the whole human supremacy thing for realsieeees granpa 😁😁😁🤞🤞🤞 PLEASE let me be friends with hunter 👉👈 the Right way this time 💕🕯️🙏
#ive got way too many fics to finish to take on this project but like#lord the level of pressure on luz to comply well enough with empire standards to lower belos#*belos's suspicions#then to get close enough to hunter to try to explain things to him#without hunter acting weird or straight-up ratting her out to belos#while ALSO maintaining a secret outside contact with eda and her friends#and all the while having her own personality.... which sorta. gets in the way of. 'subtle manipulation'#and at the same time hunter feels really physically sick and headachey and bizarre and can't figure out why#and honestly. maybe those symptoms clue RAINE in that something happened to hunter's memories#if we assume raine's headaches are bc they researched memory loss spells enough to effectively emulate the symptoms...#FUCK dont let me do this. it's running away with me#take my own worries aboht my own brain and project them onto fictional characters. why not#toh#replies#horrible mindscape trauma pals
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I’ve been catching myself grinding my teeth a lot lately and now I’m watching a video on the connection between jaw tension, teeth grinding, and the trauma of stored survival stress.
#I was in fight or flight mode nearly most of my very late childhood/early adolescence so this is explaining a lot#if anyone has physical symptoms and you suspect them as a response to past trauma (the nervous system never forgets)#I’d recommend the book The Myth of Normal by Gabor Maté M.D.#and Irene Lyons’s YouTube channel!
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there's certain things i want to put in storylines but i keep doing this
#i wrote characters instead of mike so u guys can use this too lmao ik im not the only one#i might just have to project in the background so my brain doesn't short circuit#work my way up to it lmao#this is fine :)#'i don't have trauma' says the kid with MULTIPLE TRAUMA DISORDERS#maybe i should make a mini headcanons post relating to this actually. hmmm#fuckin symptoms syndrome#90% of the reason why i write mike as experiencing more physical abuse than emotional abuse is bc my experience was the opposite#and i still have one foot in denial
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is it NORMAL to lowkey dissociate upon getting out of very informative therapy sessions, like we talked about autistic burnout/sensory overwhelm again and she asked me if it could be informing my chronic pain flares and/or vice versa, and yet again im like,, Äch Nae, The Symptoms
#she is so fucking smart and breaking me down into my component parts#and she doesnt even know the worse 2/3s of my trauma#which i think is helping her identify the subtler shit#like not immediately like 'well the avoidant tendencies likely stem from the abusive stepmother#'calling you Manipulative for voicing things like idk acute physical illness from active food poisoning'#bc she doesnt know about that!#instead we discussed burnout's symptom of making verbalization very difficult#and i was like oh fuck wait is THAT whats been happening my whole life oh my GOD#bc it IS whats been happening!!!#i experience a sudden jolt of stress hormone from conflict and become tongue-tied#feels like failing a string of dire persuasion checks#and so i've learned to avoid those moments at all costs!!!#even the cost of losing me my father and oldest friend
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I think that being autistic got me fucked up
#/pos#but also like vent ish#ok to rb#system babbles#my special interest rn is things that harm me. get out of here who let that sink in#like what do you want im fascinated by the degradation of my body in response to trauma#and the internal lashing out of an already neurospicy brain under incomprehensible suffering#all living things respons in insane overdone ways in panic response and we dont have the research to fully comprehend#even physically threatening immediate situations so how fucking interesting is it to consider abstract threats and the effect that has on a#autistic brain addicted to the internet in a cptsd way with osdd with schizo symptoms and all this other stuff#on TOP of addiction in the family chronic illness EDS (and its ties to autism) and just so so so many things im so so fascinated#but i take fucking psychic damage even considering this stuff or remembering anything so autistic hyperfixation sessions get painful as hel#and i can't even leave i have to let the interest brain pick over articles and info vida until it calms down and buddy its trembling#autism#neurodivergent#special interest#psychology#inthrum bickerman#btw im still in front day 42 fucking laughing my ASS OFF TAKE THAT
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I think the most evil thing about panic attacks is that the portion of them not devoted to terrorizing you is dedicated to telling you it's not actually a panic attack, that something is actually fundamentally wrong. You're not allowed to recognize it for what it is. There is no learning from the experience to make it easier in the future. You think you're dying every time. It's fucked up and embarrassing.
#Or I do anyway so I guess that could be the spider bite trauma#No matter how many times I'm convinced I'm having anaphylaxis despite never having it#And having no visible physical symptoms#I am convinced my throat is closing and I'm in mortal danger every time#Coming off of progesterone is a bitch#Chronic-les
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Sorry this isn't exactly positivity but I had a question. We had a split show up pretty suddenly last night and he's been fronting with me for about 24 hours now. He's a fictive that we didn't expect to show up, but he's not nearly as... Intense I guess, as his source counterpart? So there's not much friction between us and I don't mind him being around, he's not hostile or anything,
But the entire time he's been here, our chronic pain has felt worse, we've had an awful migraine that fades between "that really hurts but I can kinda tolerate it" to "I need complete darkness and silence and if I even blink too hard I get stabs of pain", we were basically unable to wake up after going to sleep, basically crashed for 14 hours straight and any time we'd wake up for a few minutes we would have really awful pain flares and barely be able to keep our eyes open before we passed out again, and our body tempature has been spiking on and off to the point that we go to bed shivering and wake up drenched in sweat.
This isn't exactly unheard of for us, we do have several physical disabilities that could have led to this just being a really awful flare up, but the timing seems really odd to me, and we normally get more warning that we're going to have a bad flare, we don't just jump straight from a 6 to a 10, if that makes sense? So I'm wondering if splitting could have something to do with it (we also usually notice better when a split is coming up but this time it was more like he showed up and *then* we got all the symptoms all at once?) or if a spedcific headmate could somehow be triggering a massive body response like this? Sorry if this is kind of all over the place it's hard to focus right now
Hi! I’m so sorry we’re just now getting to this a week after you sent it - we hope you’re doing okay!
It sounds to us like pain, stress, fever, or some other sort of negative physical symptom could have caused this split. This fictive may also be a symptom holder, meaning their role in your system would be to feel particular symptoms as a means of protecting other alters.
The most important thing we can say to you is please see a doctor. If your pain is becoming unbearable and you’re having worse migraines and a fluctuating fever, there may be something physical going on that you aren’t yet aware of. Even if your pain is slightly better now, but still comes around when this headmate fronts, it could be an indication that something deeper or worse is going on.
Sometimes unmet mental needs or poor mental health can manifest in physical ways (IBS and CFS arising as trauma responses, for example). If you’ve seen a doctor and they aren’t able to help you pinpoint a physical cause, it may be necessary for you to seek mental health treatment (meds, therapy, or a combination of the two). You shouldn’t have to struggle or deal with this on your own, and seeking help from a trainer professional may provide some insight as to what’s going on!
Last but not least, have you tried asking this fictive if they have any ideas as to what could be going on? Did they arrive with source memories or exotrauma which could be exacerbating preexisting symptoms? Do they have any insight to this situation that they could share with you? It may be worth it to ask!
This is probably the extent of the advice we’re able to offer you. We genuinely hope you and your system are able to receive the help and care you need and start feeling better soon! Best of luck with everything!
🌸 Margo and 🖋 Cecil
#physical health#mental health#symptom holder#disability#fictives#introjects#trauma mention#exotrauma mention
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Kid me: "if I focus really really hard i can become an other person who is stronger/funnier/colder than me and then i won't get harmed again".
Me right now thinking back about it: 👀
I genuinely though that it's what people meant when they said that you could become anyone you wanted if you believed in yourself. Yeah hum, i blame the allistic communication style on that specific misunderstanding.
#charlie is rambling#i’ve always shown symptoms of plurality i just didn't know what they were#dissociate because of trauma not because i’m trans#i had to disappear from my abusers but i was physically stuck with them
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#sorenhoots#I have an idea roaming around in my brain#it feels like an overreaction because society reserves the word ‘trauma’ for visible stuff#like a physical injury or a traumatic event so bad that even society’s pressure to not show symptoms isn’t enough to cover it up#but like…. I am slowly allowing myself to expand my definition of trauma to include things that non-autistic people would scoff at#such as being exposed to a bad texture or trying a food that my autism doesn’t like or stuff like that#on one hand it’s like ‘oh my god don’t be dramatic. eating a chicken strip with a really chewy spot isn’t trauma’ which sounds like a#reasonable thing to say but like. as a young kid that happened to me and I still can’t eat chicken strips without being *significantly*#stressed about encountering the bad texture again.#i take COMFORT in the fact that- when I had shingles- the shingles pain was HORRIBLE and yet the texture of my bedsheet was WORSE#and I’m realizing I have some Things I’ve always been like… ‘triggered’ by. colors or patterns. I assumed they must be related to my#trauma that is undisputedly traumatic- I assumed those colors or patterns must have been involved#the same way I can’t stand a couple of flavors because they remind me of it#but maybe it’s just that checkered patterns bother my autism. maybe I don’t like blue because it just hurts my eyes.#have I unnecessarily tied Autism Sensory Pain to separate traumatic events as a way to explain them?#I don’t know. but I think the first step in digesting all of that is to allow myself to categories Bad Sensory Events as Traumatic#like I’m allowed to say shingles was traumatic. I panic anytime I think I feel the tingly sensation it started as#but I’m way more repulsed by certain textures. so why not describe them as trauma?#idk. one thing I don’t like is showers? and I started applying some of my PTSD work to them#such as getting familiar with smaller steps that are less sensory overwhelming#or changing the circumstances enough that my brain doesn’t go ‘wait this is a ShowerTM which has traumatized me in the past from sensory’#and it absolutely helps. which is something to mull over at least
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