#particularly their hatred of trans women

[gaytobymeres]

Shaun Evans interview in The Times today

[gay-otlc]

I think the above screenshots (taken from this post) are a great example of how transandrophobia functions: A combination of misogyny, anti-masculinity, and transphobia, intersecting in a way that specifically targets trans men & mascs.

Transphobia

It is transphobic to say that medically transitioning, or transness in itself, is a mental illness. If you believe someone's trans identity is a mental illness in need of "treatment," you are a transphobe. Particularly the first one, saying that the "wrong kind" of transness should be illegal. That is an incredibly horrific thing to say no matter what, and especially given the current political situation for trans people.

Misogyny

Trans men are men, but claiming or implying that trans men are inherently "hysterical," "emotionally unstable," or "insane" is still rooted in misogyny. There is a long history of women, or people who were thought to be women, being discriminated against through being labeled as hysterical. Even people who affirm that trans men are men may subconsciously hold these views about women, as well as people who were AFAB, and can reinforce this form of misogyny.

These comments, stating that trans men are mentally unwell and unstable, are using misogynistic ideas against trans men. In addition, people with BPD (which is often treated with mood stabilizers) in particular face misogynistic treatment from both mental health professionals and society in general. (You can read more about this here and here)

(Bonus: Ableism. These comments are also cruel to people with already stigmatized mental health conditions like BPD or bipolar disorder. And ableism often goes along with transandrophobia; for example, the panic over "confused autistic girls identifying as men.")

Anti-masculinity

The basis for both of these comments, as well as the other comments in the post this was taken from, is the hatred of men- including, and especially, trans men. Both testosterone and manhood itself are demonized in these comments, as though being a man (on T) is a problem that, if "untreated" by mood stabilizers, will make trans men dangerous, abusive, and misogynistic.

Not only do these commenters hate men, they have a particular hatred for trans men. After all, the comments don't say "men without mood stabilizers should be illegal," it specifies trans men. It doesn't say "Anyone with a testosterone dominant endocrine system, please go on mood stabilizers," (or to be less transmisogynistic, "any man with a testosterone dominant endocrine system, please go on mood stabilizers").

These people believe that all men are bad, but trans men are even worse. They believe that a trans man on T is more dangerous than a cis man with naturally high testosterone levels. The hatred of men affects all men, yes, but disproportionately affects marginalized men.

Transandrophobia

These statements aren't just transphobic ("trans people, please go on mood stabilizers once you go on HRT"). These statements aren't just misogynistic ("AFABs without mood stabilizers should be illegal"). They aren't just anti-masculine, as they hate trans men more than cis men. These statements are a specific and unique combination of transphobia, misogyny, and anti-masculinity: That is to say, transandrophobia.

Obviously, these issues exist on a much larger scale than a couple of people being assholes on tiktok, and have very real, severe effects on trans men & mascs. But these comments were a good, clear example of the different aspects of transandrophobia and how they intersect.

[gatheringbones]

[“Misogyny’s hatred of femininity means that trans feminism is an urgent project, as trans-feminized people know the promise and fallout of femininity as well as anyone. To that end, this book concludes by uplifting the excess attributed to trans women and trans femininity. What if feminists didn’t reply to the charge that trans women are too sexual, or too feminine, by shrinking trans femininity to prove the accuser’s bad faith wrong? What if trans feminism meant saying yes to being too much, not because everyone should become more feminine, or more sexual, but because a safer world is one in which there is nothing wrong with being extra?

Abundance might be a powerful concept in a world organized by a false sense of scarcity. What if trans feminism dedramatized and celebrated trans femininity as the most feminine, or trans women as the most women? How might trans women lead a coalition in the name of femininity, not to replace or even define other kinds of women, but to show what the world might look like for everyone if it were hospitable to being extra and having more than enough?

Many of the key achievements of liberal feminism, particularly in the West, have relied on minimizing, if not rejecting or trying to transcend, femininity. To achieve equality with men, liberal feminism has often claimed that women are the same as men, downplaying their femininity to adapt to the default masculine model of authority and respect. (This is also why feminists are often charged by misogynists with being too masculine or becoming manly.) Having been typecast as irrational, ornamental, and unserious, femininity is treated as an obstacle to women’s equality. Think of how often women politicians are encouraged to project cold, stern public personae, acting like the men in their midst, which in turn becomes proof that they are untrustworthy or inauthentic. And think of how often people associated with the stigma of femininity, like gay men, are encouraged to minimize their femininity to assume public roles or be taken seriously—or even to be granted human rights. The respectability strategy sacrifices femininity to curry favor with dominant, misogynist ideas of power. Whether or not it succeeds in any of its goals, it always extends the devaluation and hatred of femininity. In that way, it always loses.”]

jules gill-peterson, from a short history of trans misogyny, 2024

[princessefemmelesbian]

Ultimately the transandrophobia movement cannot be divorced from anti-Blackness, particularly misogynoir/transmisogynoir. Transandrophobia truthers are insanely racist against Black people, and this racism is a core tenet of the movement, and I’m surprised that I don’t see more people talking about it. When I first heard of transandrophobia truthers and why they are bad I heard about them from Black trans people who were talking about(in obvious addition to the transmisogyny, lesbophobia, and rape fetishism) the racism that they experienced from transandrodorks, and how many transandrodorks are white trans men who were bullying and sending threats to Black trans people(especially Black trans women) on this website, as well as encouraging their followers to do the same, to the point where they were even engaging in regular transphobia and misgendering these people and saying that they were lying about being trans. A friend of mine who is a Black trans man has also talked at length about how white transandrodorks bullied him and told him that he wasn’t a “real man” because he is feminine and genderfluid, because to them real manhood is white hegemonic toxic masculinity. And many white transmascs also talk over the Black transmascs in their own communities.

In addition, transandrophobia truthers regularly steal and misuse terms such as intersectionality, a term which was created by BLACK WOMEN in feminism to talk about the specific multiplied marginalization that we face that mainstream white feminism and the Black patriarchy do not account for, in favor of instead arguing that misandry is real and that they are somehow oppressed on the axis of a societal hatred for manhood, which defeats the entire point of the term existing in the first place. Not to mention how they regularly ignore and shove aside Black women in their discussions about oppression while using Black men as their shields to prove that they are not racist, often they will claim that Black men are oppressed for being masculine and “too manly” as proof that misandry is real, which ignores the fact that Black men are oppressed by ANTI-BLACKNESS, not anti-masculinity, and that they are often emasculated by white men under white supremacy as well(for instance, see how white men used to call Black men “boy” to infantilize and deman them and deny the fact that they are men) but more than anything it ignores the fact that a) Black men still have male privilege over BLACK WOMEN and are capable of weaponizing misogynoir against us and often do oppress or marginalize the Black women in the community, and b) Black women are also frequently masculinized and seen as “too manly” and aggressive under white supremacy, so it’s not specifically a man thing but a Black thing, that doesn’t make what Black women experience misandry as well.

And let’s not forget how they will respond to any trans woman talking about male privilege by saying that Black trans men don’t have privilege over white trans women(often illogically assuming that the trans woman in question whom they’re talking to is white), ignoring the existence of Black trans women, who have even less privilege than Black trans men, further proving that they don’t have the slightest clue how intersectionality works, yet continuously co-opt the term anyway. The vast majority of transandrodorks are white trans men who think that they can use Black men as a cudgel to segue into talking about their own fragile male tears while not understanding shit about the oppression Black people experience yet blindly thinking that they can talk about it anyway, and also pretending that Black women don’t exist and denying/downplaying our oppression, while also appropriating our language and terminology for themselves, which is peak culture vulture behavior.

I see it oft mentioned that transmisogyny and anti-Blackness/misogynoir go hand in hand, a statement I wholeheartedly agree with; because of that I really wish that people would acknowledge the intense racism in the transandrophobia community more, because it is a serious, severe problem that needs to be addressed. Thank you.

[communistkenobi]

this might make me sound ignorant but is the radfem part of term not about hating men? they hate trans people, they hate men and they view both as predatory, obviously men are not their primary targets but I feel like it would be incorrect to say that they don't hate men, especially since many of them believe in gender separatism (which is bs for numerous reasons). it's wrong to bring up men every time someone talks about the transmisogyny terfs spew bc that would be derailing the conversation but can men (trans/cis/whatever) not express how they've been hurt by terfs in their own posts or conversations? apologies if ive completely misinterpreted what you were saying I just want to understand the topic better

I’m not disputing that terfs hate men. However, I think it’s an error to highlight their hatred of men as ideologically significant. Sure they talk about hating men, but their political alliances reveal that dismantling patriarchy, or a desire to oppress men, is not a concern for them, given that they support the criminalisation of sex work, the state enforcement of sex as biologically determined, and are allied with the same right wing groups (such as the Heritage Foundation in the US) that want to criminalise abortion and reinstate “traditional” white western gender norms. If you view terf political goals through the lens of hating men, then their political efforts have overwhelmingly been a massive failure. Which I don’t think is very useful analysis!

A hatred of men is also not politically useful in general, because there is no money to be made or political battles to be won hating men. Hatred of men is not a systemic issue because men are not oppressed as a social group on the basis of their manhood. There is no political or financial infrastructure built on the foundation of hating men, nor is there infrastructure dedicated to maintaining a systemic hatred of men. Hating trans people, however, is extremely financially and politically lucrative, particularly hatred of trans women/transfems, because of how transphobia and misogyny intersect with and reinforce one another. There are ample political, financial, medical, and social institutions that operate on the maintenance of patriarchy, many of which terfs share a political platform with. So terf hatred of men is clearly not that big a deal given how willing they are to ally with right wing groups and fascists, who are the last people on earth to tolerate the oppression of men as a political goal.

This is why people (myself included) take umbrage with the continued insistence that terfs hate men as a central foundation of their beliefs. It’s not incorrect to say that they hate men, but hating men is not the problem with terfs. Hatred of men is not an inherently reactionary position anymore than hating cis people is. The problem is the way terfs conceptualise gender, and the political goals that flow from that conceptualisation, which affects all trans people but primarily affect trans women/transfems. The spectre they raise about bathrooms, about sports, is always the age-old transmisogynistic conspiracy of “a man in a dress” “invading women’s spaces” because the historical legacy of transmisogyny looms large in public consciousness, and reinforced by medical/psychiatric institutions in particular, in a way that hatred and fear of trans men does not (autogynephilia exists as a mental illness but autophallophilia does not, for example. Julia Serrano talks about this in Whipping Girl if you want to read more on the subject). Terfs don’t care about trans men in men’s sports, they don’t raise the counter-spectre of trans men being mass assaulted in bathrooms by cis men who discover that they’re “really women” - these are not rhetorical moves that are interesting or useful to them, because it does not position them as victims. Trans men are hurt by their transphobic rhetoric, suffer under transphobic laws that are passed, and face transphobic discrimination from people in their lives as a result of how mainstream transphobia is (and I am speaking from significant and traumatic personal experience on this front). We are not, however, the face of the transgender boogeyman, and we are not the primary target of terfs. We are targets because we are trans, not because we are men. To be dismissive of the claim that terfs hate men is not a dismissal of the pain and violence transmascs go through, because our oppression is not founded on our manhood.

So when you see terf political efforts and terf rhetoric, their obsessive focus on trans women as arch villains who need to be destroyed, and you come to the conclusion that a hatred of men is the animating force behind terf political activity - that is a transmisogynistic conclusion, both because you are framing their transmisogyny as something that is primarily informed by a hatred of men, and because “terfs hate men” is a non-sequitur in discussions about the political and social damage that their beliefs cause. If terfs hate men, they do so as a hobby, and I don’t really give a fuck about their hobbies

[obsessioncollector]

Hi friends! Inspired by @librarycards I wanted to make a post celebrating Women in Translation Month! Anglophone readers generally pay embarrassingly little attention to works in other languages, and that's even more true when it comes to literature by women, so I will jump at any chance to promote my faves 🥰 Here are some recs from 9 different languages! Also, I wrote this on my phone, so apologies for any typos or errors!

1. Trieste by Daša Drndić, trans. Ellen Elias-Bursać (Croatian): An all-time favorite. Much of Drndić's work interrogates the legacy of atrocities in Europe, particularly eastern Europe. Trieste is a haunting contemplative novel centered on an elderly Italian Jewish woman whose family converted to Catholicism during the Mussolini era and were complicit in the fascist violence surrounding them in order to protect themselves.

2. Cursed Bunny by Bora Chung, trans. Anton Hur (Korean): A collection of short stories that are difficult to classify by genre–speculative fiction in the broadest sense. The first story is about a monster in a woman's toilet, which sounds impossible to pull off in a serious, thought-provoking manner, but Chung does so easily—these are the kind of stories that are hard to explain the brilliance of secondhand.

3. Sweet Days of Discipline by Fleur Jaeggy, trans. Tim Parks (Italian; Jaeggy is Swiss): Another all time favorite! The cold, sterile homoerotic girls' boarding school novella of your dreams.

4. Toddler-Hunting and Other Stories by Taeko Kono, trans. Lucy North (Japanese): I think I read this in one sitting. Incredibly unsettling—these stories will stay with you. They often focus on the unspoken psychosexual fantasies underscoring mundane daily life.

5. The Complete Stories by Clarice Lispector, trans. Katrina Dodson (Brazilian Portuguese): I think Lispector is the best known writer here, so she might not need much of an introduction. But what a legend! And this collection is so diverse—it's fascinating to see the evolution of Lispector's work.

6. Our Lady of the Nile by Scholastique Mukasonga, trans. Melanie L. Mauthner (French; Mukasonga is Rwandan): Give her the Nobel! Mukasonga's books, at least the ones available in English, are generally quite short but so impactful. Our Lady of the Nile is a collection of interrelated short stories set at a Catholic girls' boarding school in Rwanda in the years before the Rwandan genocide. These stories are fascinating on many levels, but perhaps the most haunting element is seeing how ethnic hatred intensifies over time—none of these girls would consider themselves particularly hateful or prejudiced, but they easily justify atrocities in the end.

7. Extracting the Stone of Madness: Poems 1962-1972 by Alejandra Pizarnik, trans. Yvette Siegert (Spanish; Pizarnik was Argentinian): Does anyone remember when my url was @/pizarnikpdf... probably not but worth mentioning to emphasize how much I love her <3 Reading Pizarnik is so revelatory for me; she articulates things I didn't even realize I felt until I read her words.

8. Flight and Metamorphosis: Poems by Nelly Sachs, trans. Joshua Weiner (German): Sachs actually won the Nobel in the 1960s, so it's surprising that she's not better known in the Anglosphere. Her poems are cryptic and surreal, yet deeply evocative. Worth mentioning that this volume is bilingual, so you can read the original German too if you're interested.

9. Frontier by Can Xue, trans. Karen Gernant and Chen Zeping (Chinese): Can Xue is another difficult-to-classify writer in terms of genre. Her short stories are often very abstract and can be puzzling at first. I think Frontier is a great place to start with her because these stories are interconnected, which makes them a bit more accessible.

[tmasc-confessions]

whats a tirf/terf??? what do those stand for?

TERF stands for Transgender-Excluding Radical Feminist.

Radical Feminism is inherently transphobic and you can see it within its history, as well as being very racist+colourist and classist. The Sufragettes were the OG TERFs, historically having perpetuated ideas such as the notion that black and brown women aren’t actually women/as womanly as white women, and therefore “cannot be radical feminists”. Therefore, most RadFems you meet are either not actually radfems (they think that radfeminism is just a more extreme version of feminism, when in reality it carries a different ideology overall) OR they are radfems and therefore very heavily bigoted. They are bioessentialist and hate anyone who was assigned male at birth (“men”, to them, because they do not believe in gender and sex as separate concepts), and believe all “men” to be dangerous aggressive predators who are out to hurt “innocent sensitive “women””. At the same time, they also hate trans men, because they either consider them “gender traitors” OR they consider them “poor innocent girls corrupted by the trans mind virus”.

TIRF stands for Transgender-Including Radical Feminist.

They believe that by including trans women within the parameters of “Who Can Be a Radical Feminist”, the ideology becomes “fixed” when in REALITY all the other problems associated with it (racism and classism as mentioned before), are still present. Rather than bioessentialist, they are gender essentialists. They have the exact same views sbout gender roles as TERFs but instead of applying it to a sex binary, they apply it to a gender binary. They still believe that “all men are inherently evil and dangerous and oppressive” towards “poor innocent women” (the ideology has a crazy amount of internalised misogyny), just that it’s about identity and not biology. They also hate transmascs, this time on the basis that they’re men and therefore inherently evil.

TRF stands for Transgender Radical-Feminist. It’s a term used to refer to TIRFs who are trans, 99.99% of which are transfem.

Not all TIRFs are TRFs, but all TRFs are TIRFs. Important to note that not all transgender feminists are like this; just the TRFs. It’s a weird circlejerk of “perisex transfems are the most oppresed ever so if a transmasc or an intersex person even breathes in my direction they’re being transmisogynistic” and them agreeing about that with eachother over trans men and intersex people saying the most innocuous shit ever which oftentimes doesn’t even involve them. Actual, genuine hatred for us. I’ve been harassed and bullied by many of them on my main account and MANY more on this account.

A lot of them seem unable to believe that a transfem could EVER harm a transmasc. As an example, I’ve gotten plenty of inbox harassment from them claiming I’m a mouthpiece for transmisogyny because “I post stories about trans women being abusers with no actual proof” (What proof do they even want? These are anonymous Tumblr submissions for a vent account. I’m not gonna ask for receipts), proving that they care more about the identity politics of the TRF/transmasc beef than about actual abuse and assault victims.

Hope this was comprehensive, sorry if I didn’t explain myself properly. For more info about the racism and classism of the RadFem ideology, I recommend you actually consult women of colour, as I’m not particularly knowledgeable on the subject. Or, y’know, Google’s also a good friend.

[velvetvexations]

TW for brief mention of abuse in the last paragraph (nothing detailed, just, a mention of stats) I'm dumping this here because I'm scared to have my name attached to it, but I quite firmly believe that you cannot actually be an ally to all trans people while also hating cis men. Obviously there is something to be said about how it harms trans women, but I don't fully understand the experience that comes with that, and I'll mostly be speaking about AFAB transmascs here because I'm AFAB transmasc. I'm also disabled and using my last spoons to understand and type this, so apologies.

I find that people take two routes as to how to approach trans men, when they hold hatred for cis men, in that they either divorce the idea of us from the idea of "man", or they decide that because of our manhood, we are both privileged, and they must hate us too.

When it comes to separating us from manhood, a lot of people will talk about "men" and "trans men" as separate categories, and you see it in things like "not you though, I didn't mean trans men", but you also see it in the way that people have completely different expectations of how trans men and cus men should interact with the world, particularly with women. I don't really have the energy to think about how to put it into words, so if anyone else can pick up what I'm putting down, feel free to add on, or I might come back and elaborate later. But I find that it completely alienates us from the concept of manhood.

I've also had similar from my own mother, who told me that it was hard to see me as a man, because I had such "feminine traits", like, being helpful. Kind. Thoughtful. Things like that, because she found it hard to reconcile the fact that I was apparently all of those things, while also being a man, which is apparently the bad gender. Because evil is stored in the gender, obviously. (/s)

The other way I mentioned is the way that transradfems most often take, in the idea that men always oppress women, and there is no situational factor to it, and therefore trans men are included in that, and are therefore privileged and so it is fine to hate us, because we're men, and therefore it is okay to hate us, and this will never cause us any harm. For example, being denied access to shelters for being men. For many transandrophobes, us complaining about this is us being whiny and privileged, or weaponizing our AGAB, whereas, to myself certainly, I can't speak for others, male victims are more common than most people dare to think, but there is a lack of shelters that provide for men, which is an even bigger problem for trans men, because we have extremely high rates of abuse, but nowhere to turn to without having to detransition.

I also maintain it'll always be a major threat to trans women as well. If you call yourself a trans ally but hate cis men, as far as I'm concerned you're one step away from turning on me because there's no basis on which you can logically claim cis men are categorically worse that doesn't also apply to trans women - like, is it because of how they're raised, how society teaches them to be? Because that sure sounds a lot like you're expressing a belief in male socialization! TERFs are wrong about trans women, but if you accept their worldview you can't take it halfway and expect it to make sense.

[batboyblog]

So fun fact about the trans-military ban! Someone did the math and it would cost around 18 billion dollars plus another 1 billion to actually go through with it, compared to the 1 billion it would take to just keep those 15,000 trans people in the military!

In other words, it's stupidly shortsighted, and will likely be shifted onto taxpayers as well... All this out of sheer hatred of trans people...

yeah, I've been wondering how many of those 15,000 are specialists, I know the military has run a special program that allows people to by-pass normal basic training and get a commission for specialized non-combat roles, they particularly been looking for computer skills and jokes about trans computer nerds here right.

in any case each and every one of those 15,000 servicemen and women are doing a job that we'll have to pay to train someone else to do, and as mentioned above there's a chance that some of them will be basically irreplaceable

and yeah all the tax payers will pay, as a country we'll be less safe since there will be a period where a ton of new inexperienced people will have taken over the jobs of fired trans people, and long term the US Military is always struggling with recruitment, now a whole class of people is off the table for no real reason, plus anyone for whom this kind of discrimination is a deal breaker so they won't join. We may end up footing the bill for more recruitment incentives or just suffer because the military can't meet its goals.

[luckyladylily]

I think we need to review some things as a queer community. The irrational hatred of men is one of the pillars of radical feminism, probably even the most important, and all the damage radfems have done can be traced back to this idea. Any and all terfs and all the damage they have done are directly traceable back to this idea. It is uncomplicated to say that irrational hatred of men is a bad thing: not only is it bad on the face of it, but it has resulted in over 50 years of bigotry, hatred, and queer on queer harassment and violence. This is both known to be a serious problem and a serious problem within the queer community.

Due to this 50+ year history of this idea harming trans people, someone saying that we need to not irrationally hate men should be the most luke warm, white bread with a glass of water, unreservedly accepted statement that has ever been made within the trans community. It should be accepted as readily as terfs = bad because it is core to why terfs are bad.

Now, irrational hatred of men within the queer community has a proven record of harming trans people of all types. I don't feel like I need to even justify this one, just *vaguely gestures in the direction of radfems and terfs in particular.* it doesn't really matter if other things cause more damage, because this is a big one within the queer community. This is something we have more control over than larger societal issues and it damages the structures of support we have made. Thus, saying something like the irrational hatred of men harms trans women should be such a nothing take that you might as well state that the sky is blue. There is no reasonable objection to this statement. The statement that this also hurts all other types of trans people is similarly uncomplicated.

Finally, it is not unreasonable to suggest that trans women may fall into toxic modes of thinking, such as an irrational hatred of men, especially when they are dealing with trauma. There is nothing magic about trns women that makes us better than anyone else.

It's all in our shared history. This isn't controversial stuff.

And yet people have been getting very, very angry over these very simple statements. It does not instill confidence that this is a safe community for a woman like me, a trans woman who is forced to be in the closet in my public life - in every queer community like this I've ever interacted with I'm seen as a lesser woman at best and a hostile interloper just as commonly. These types of attitudes are why i just stopped bothering with women focused events completely, even when they are explicitly trans women friendly. I will never be welcome among people who let themselves indulge in gut reaction hatred of men because I read like a man.

And yes, there are other forms of transphobia that hurt me more, but this is cuts particularly deep because these are supposed to be the people who understand. The people who are like me. And what I get is gut resentment for failing to perform femininity to some arbitrary standard.

On tumblr I don't have this problem because people can't see or hear me. But I wonder with this discourse going about how many of my friends, mutuals, and acquaintances on here would have that gut negative reaction if they heard my voice.

Doesn't make me feel particularly safe or welcome in this community.

[sirfrogsworth]

There is this horrible conservative Karen in Utah who is on a school board and she posted a picture of a high school girls basketball team. One of the girls pictured was perceived to be particularly masculine. This Karen assumed they were trying to sneak a trans girl onto the team. She captioned the photo "girls" basketball with transphobic scare quotes.

But the girl was cisgender. And she faced so much bullying and threats to her safety that the school had to hire security for her.

The moral panic about trans girls and women in sports is going to mostly harm cis athletes. Because, as I have pointed out many times, there just aren't very many trans athletes. Missouri passed an anti-trans law for K-12 athletics only to discover it affected a total of 8 people. In the entire roster of 130,000 NCAA women athletes, only 100 are estimated to be trans.

This narrative that there are trans students coming out of the woodwork to infiltrate school sports has caused people to see trans athletes everywhere. They might even be convinced this is now a commonplace occurrence. But if the NCAA is a good statistical model, for every athlete they accuse there is a 0.0769% chance of them actually being transgender.

This idea that these people are going to protect cis athletes from the unfair competition caused by trans athletes is a farce. The majority of the time they are going to embarrass, harm, and possibly threaten the very people they claim they want to protect.

That doesn't seem worth it, even from their hateful point of view.

That is unless their actual agenda is to sow fear and hatred towards trans people and not actually to protect the fairness of competition.

Beyond that, while there have been some initial laboratory studies showing trans athletes who have gone through male puberty do retain some quantifiable physical advantages in a limited number of athletic movements, these advantages have yet to manifest in any statistically significant way in real-life competition.

There have been no world records that have lasted more than a few months. There have been no undefeated trans athletes. There have been no significantly long winning streaks. Every single trans athlete that I could find in my research has been defeated by a cisgender opponent. And I could find very few that even had a positive winning percentage.

In every metric I can think of that would fall under the umbrella of "unfair competition" I have yet to find an example. And if trans athletes truly are so "dominant" I feel like it should be much easier to discover.

The only trend I discovered that might be worthy of discussion is some trans athletes have performed at a higher level for longer. There have been some cyclists who could compete professionally into their 40s, whereas cisgender women typically age out before then. But I could only find a few examples of this and I think much more data would be needed to verify this is common. But I feel this would only be an issue in sports that have an age bracket system.

There are so many other problems within sports that truly need addressing. As of yet, I have not even seen an example of trans athletes being problematic to the fairness of competition. Sometimes they win. Most of the time they lose. And chances are, most cis athletes will never even compete against a trans woman in their entire career.

[astralcities]

i think a lot of it boils down to, like the post from exeggcute said, these guys thinking transmisogyny is "transphobia that happens to girls" and not the intersection of both transphobia and misogyny into one special hellish form of oppression. and then thus believe there's an equivalency in that hatred, in that trans men cannot oppress trans women & they cannot derive any benefits from misogyny or even be attached to a patriarchal social system. atp it's not even about material benefits earned or lost it's that there's a disturbing trend of trans men thinking it's okay to call women, particularly trans women, dumb overemotional cunts who cry about anything. and they can reduce it all to "oh they just are touchy about the words we used #typicalwoman". like. common guy tactic to push and push and microagress until a woman explodes and then they can act like the other party is the weird crazy one teebeeh

[joannerowling]

Why are you against being called transphobic when you say things that are transphobic? For example, using unwanted pronouns for people is transphobic (calling trans women 'he' or trans men 'she'). It reminds me of how racists deny being racist all the time. Just own up to it.

It's quite simple: i'm not transphobic because i'm not scared of trans people and i don't hate them. I just don't believe that men can be women and vice versa, which is what they believe and how they manage their dysphoria. I've already said i'm willing to use their preferred names and pronouns… unless, of course, they attempt to impose their belief on me, stop being satisfied with my curtesy but demand my adhesion. Exactly the same way i'll abstain from saying "God doesn't exist" in front of a religious person, until they try to bring me to Church.

I am not "transphobic" towards any of the people, particularly men, playing at being trans while being, actually, sexual deviants determined to force others to call them the opposite sex (or "non binary") to fulfill a fetish. Hatred and persecution are the weapons of the aggressor, not the agressee. Women didn't start this fight, we are defending ourselves against a nasty set of mostly male aggressors, something which we are very practiced at. Own up to that side of your movement, and do so off anon. Then we'll talk.

[gatheringbones]

[“When I asked Janelle, “Would you be hesitant to introduce a trans woman partner to your friends or coworkers,” she responded:

Janelle: Friends or coworkers, no. I mean when I like people, I have to show them off, so like, I mean, if I like her, Ima show her off, but [pause] you can still like show people off [pause] and be brave but still be scared. You know?

alithia: Would you be scared about being a woman with another woman or scared for how they’d react to her being a trans woman or?

Janelle: Her being a trans woman, because you know people [pause] like people are trained to discriminate people based [pause] I don’t, they’re like doing a lot of things in law that has to do with like if you like [pause] depending on your sexuality, you can be fired from a job or things like that, so like that’s very scary or and also the family like just so many factors. It’s just like anxiety-driven for me. So yeah, I, I, I feel like [pause] being scared or timid is [pause] justified in this sense. In this world that we live in.

Janelle was not afraid of how others would perceive her for being with a trans woman. Instead, she worried about them both living in a society that punishes individuals who deviate from cisgender, heterosexual norms of dating and relationships. Such fears of being harmed were perhaps more pronounced for her, with her and a hypothetical partner being two women vulnerable to the harms of cis-heteropatriarchy. These fears, though, were not simply about whether they would be accepted by others, but whether they would be able to survive and thrive, as LGBT people, particularly trans people, do not have workplace discrimination protections in many states across the United States.

Peaches connected such fears to race. I asked Peaches, “If you were with a woman and knew she was trans, and y’all had been together for awhile, would you be hesitant at all to introduce her to your family?” Peaches responded:

Peaches: No. That’s a lie yes. Like my family are, they, they can be ignorant and like my mom especially, love her to death, but she says like a lot of insensitive things. My mom’s White. She doesn’t think before she talks a lot. So, if anything, I would just be like a little bit hesitant to like take her around my family, because I wouldn’t want them to say anything in front of her um that could make her feel uncomfortable.

alithia: Okay would they do that whether it was a cis woman or a trans woman?

Peaches: Um I think it, they wouldn’t do it as much with a cis woman, yeah.

Peaches was raised by a White, Portuguese mother and a Black father, and she noted her mother’s whiteness as integral as to why she microaggressed others. Peaches was referring to gender and racial ignorance and highlighted a fear of how her mother would treat a trans woman partner. Her connection of this ignorance, cissexism, and racism is part of a larger epistemology of White ignorance that functions to protect “those who for “racial” [and gendered] reasons have needed not to know” how their understandings of the world deny the lived experiences of Black, Indigenous, and other cisgender/transgender people of color and other transgender people. This White ignorance produces a misunderstanding of reality as inherently binary vis-à-vis sex and gender and an inculcated “alexithymia,” or a socialized inability to feel empathy for racialized Others. Thus, Peaches’ mother’s repetitive “[saying of] a lot of insensitive things” is not so much about a hatred of trans people/of color but the result of an actively developed ignorance.”]

alithia zamantakis, from thinking cis: cisgender heterosexual men, and queer women’s roles in anti-trans violence, 2023

[menlove]

as a card carrying terf I don’t think trans ppl are disgusting and neither does any radfem i’ve ever met, vast majority of us dgaf about trans people specifically; we want single-sex spaces to exist and btw trans people need those single-sex spaces too. trans women deserve to have spaces for Just trans women and cis women deserve spaces with Just cis women etc etc. i highly recommend doing some actual research into radical feminism instead of repeating the "theyre all conservatives who hate gnc people and find trans people disgustinf and want to kill them" that is simply not true lmao. you may be surprised a what you learn! sincerely a gnc lesbian and proud radfem

I have in fact done much research into radical feminism babe! trust me I have spent hours in yalls spaces! and you simply cannot speak for every single terf just as I can't speak for every trans person. you can't say "come on NO ONE IS SAYING-" just like I can't say that either. do you know every terf? have you seen every blog? have you been a trans person (particularly a trans woman) on the internet trying to just exist in peace? no? then you don't get to say "no terf is SAYING-" because yes, a lot of you are!

"no terf thinks trans people are disgusting" cool so when I was 19 and hadn't touched testosterone a day in my life and had she/they in my bio one of you coming into my ask going "I can tell by looking at you that you'll never be a woman lmfao" bc I'm latine w a shitton of body hair and non-eurocentric features, THAT was out of love for ✨women✨.

when yall (not you specifically but your group you associate with) get on twitter and pick apart the selfies women post telling them they're ugly and following it up by saying you KNOW they're "men" and it turns out 9/10 you've just harassed a cis woman who just doesn't meet eurocentric beauty standards, that's so totally cool and awesome and out of love for cis women and a want for separate spaces right?

when yall go into trans people's asks and tell us to kill ourselves, call us pedophiles, call us rapists, call us ugly... that shit just doesn't happen, right? and yes I'm Aware yall get death and rape threats too. you shouldn't, it's gross on both sides, but really it's not proving your point here.

it's fucking infuriating. you're infuriating. because radical feminism could be something worthwhile (and funnily enough I've met a lot of older ex radfem lesbians who have veered away from it bc of how fucking vitrolic yall are towards trans people). but instead, it is steeped and inseparable from the mire of hatred and disgust that you parrot. you don't give a single shit about women, whatever sex.

I'm an assigned female at birth lesbian who has only ever slept with other people with vaginas (consensually anyway). I can't tell you the amount of hate I've gotten from yall. just for being trans. even though I meet your definition of being a woman and being a lesbian. it doesn't matter because your hatred for people you deem as degenerate outweighs actually fucking advocating for feminism.

I'm not even going to argue with you on how useless single sex spaces actually are bc despite their best attempts there's always going to be problems (namely: fun fact cis women can be awful too AND how the fuck are you going to check and enforce this rule? what is your end goal?).

but what I AM going to say is no, sorry, that's NOT what a lot of you think. that's what YOU think. that's why YOU'RE a terf. but actually fucking look at the people around you. go on a trans person's blog or twitter who's receiving harassment and fucking try and tell me it's to promote "uwu safe spaces" like.... be fucking serious with me right now lmfao

you're not conservatives! but you are a bunch of fucking assholes who care more about harassing trans people than building a feminism that might actually have teeth. if you're using those teeth to attack a group more vulnerable than you, you're just an aggressor.

tldr you don't speak for all of them, go fuck yourself, etc

[terfism-unmasked]

ever since i was in middle school ive had radical feminist beliefs, it has helped me make sense of the way women are treated in the world, turning agaist feminist women who just want the best for their sisters doesnt make you a hero, presenting people who have bad opinions/bad ways of wording themselves as speaking for all radfems doesnt make you a hero

if you were just agaist terfs it would be whatever but in half of your posts you openly mock RADICAL FEMINISM itself, why? why do you hate women wanting to take radical action to chance patriarchy from its roots? you are indistinguishable from people making those "feminism cringe compilations" from the 2015s

i would like an answer to why you hate radical feminism because its really important to me and it makes me genuinely sad to see it get hatred by the people who are supposed to support it..

respectfully, this isn't a debate blog and i don't owe you explanations for anything, so i will keep it short. this blog is run by a trans person that believes many do genuinely radfems have good intentions but subscribed to an ideology that relies on exclusion to survive and, while sometimes on accident, allows white supremacy and eugenics to grow and fester. i particularly dislike the gender critical branch of radical feminism, which is what the absurd majority of people mean when they say radfem on this website, and in this blog i compile moments in which transphobes in general (usually gender critical radfems or terfs though not exclusively them) say or do something that ends up exposing the extreme bigotry in their belief system, because i was tired of the claim that radfems aren't driven by hate. even if you believe that said hate is justified (or was at some point), you cannot deny that radical feminists are more often than not motivated by hate alone. it sounds great in theory - fighting patriarchy with all you have. but in practice? fighting patriarchy is the last thing in most radfem's to-do list, and it only leads to the sorts of things you see on this blog.

if this makes you sad or isn't what you want to see, you're allowed to leave at any time. you don't have to stay.

lastly, if it's only a small portion of people behaving this way and they shouldn't speak for the community, then why is this blog, created not too long ago, already so full of examples?