#ouat fandom hypocrisy

[ouatsnark]

The people who claim you're anti-adoption or homophobic solely because you don't like Regina are funny.

That's the downside of fandoms. There's always gonna be a group of people who attack someone for not shipping what they do.

People are scary.

And honestly, how is you being anti-child/spousal abuse homophobic and anti-adoption?

Regina Apologists say that because if they don't then they'd have to acknowledge that Regina was in fact the villain, not the victim, and what she did was abuse Henry, rape Graham and destroy Emma and her parents lives.

Because if they were to acknowledge that then all of their false accusations against Killian Jones would come back on Regina.

Also, they know if they scream about the phobias and the isms usually that will make people shut up because who likes to be called those things? Honestly, it just made me scream the truth even louder. Cause no way you're going to put me in a box and tell me I can' speak about things I am clearly seeing on the screen.

[somuchyoudontknow]

Man manipulation is scary and fuvkd you up so bad. I still see so many people believing their lies and shit. I could talk for days about those mods and their hypocrisy.

But you're right, they probably thought they could build up trust and then scam the fandom and leave richer after causing all this chaos. I can't believe I see some blogs still supporting them, guess they're also part of Team Chaos.

At the end of the day gp sees this and judges the fandom as a collective but I wish these crazy manipulative assholes could be exposed separately to the public!

I don't think it was their plan to pull the trigger so soon but one of the mods cryptic posts got attention,she said something about a big storm coming and next day Chris deactivated his socials. She got a good chance to then peddle extra bullshit and say "I told you so!" When the truth is she has done it before and because nothing Chris related happened those times,when anons would question her she n her minions would start name calling the anons and start bs about how not everything is about Chris and the blog was originally made for the OUAT character Regina Mills🤡

Also something I remembered happened, maybe it was after they got serious heat for the stupid WDW shit but 3 of them suddenly started promoting their online side business or stuff. It was odd to me. Because the mod making bracelets as a side hustle previously claimed she works a great job making 6 figures a year 😬

Anyways I can bring up more and more but I just wish people like them get exposed and suffer the consequences.

They tried to scam vulnerable people by saying Chris will off himself and when he does it will on those who didn't give them money.

Remember that people!

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[accidentalslayer]

💗 Comfort Shows 💗

Thank you @elegantsplendour for inviting me to join in on the fun! Plus, it kind of helps me break the ice of my deep lurking/rabid reblogging LOL. I don't actually know 10 people on Tumblr yet so I'll just tag the people I do know~

@rosecentury @closetedwh0r3 @ren-drake @brandyovereager @leonorasbabygirl @catmikaelson20 @green-eyedshooter-blog @margueritetheduchess05

Rules are as follows: post 10 of your favorite comfort TV series and then tag 10 people. ♡

1. Once Upon a Time. (I used to be super heavy into watching/interacting with the fandom. Tbh, it was mostly because I simp for Rumplestiltskin and Belle/Lacy. Oh, to be a single piece of straw that Rumple spins into gold...)

2. Versailles. (I am a HUGE fan of period pieces & disaster brothers. The chaotic dynamic between Louis the 8th, the Sun King, and his brother, the Duke du New Orleans really had me hooked! Plus the cool polycule that the Duke, the Chevalier, & the Princess Palatine was 🤌🧂👩‍🍳)

3. Bridgerton. (Do I even need to expound the joy and excellence of Bridgerton? They recently dropped some teaser pics of Season 3 with Penelope and Colin and I am literally frothing at the mouth. It exists now to torment me in the back of my conscious mind. 🙃 😭)

4. The Originals. (Around the same time I got into OUAT, I was also addicted to the Originals! Klaus was my immediate favorite because of his BIG YANDERE energy but also because we're both artists. I also paint and create visions that I'd like to see in the world. Recently re-watching it again so I can write Dawn Misplaced, I began to switch allegiances to Elijah. I love his classy, polished "business man" vibe. I wonder how he'd fair against Rumplestiltskin...?)

5. The Vampire Diaries. (I realized that I had never seen this show before I watched the Originals and I'm currently blazing through Season 2. I love Damon and Stefan. More so Damon. I have a bad boys thing, I know. Tbh, I don't trust Stefan for some reason. I also think I'd enjoy sitting and writing in the same room as Elena. And I would Homer Simpson fade into the bushes whenever Katherine is around.)

6. Shadow and Bone. (Ngl, I was only in it for The Darkling and no one else. I do not care about the Sun Summoner or her whole entire character arc and would have happily watched the series if it'd centered around Kaz and Kirigan fighting for the destruction or expansion of the Fold. I also found the main protagonist super annoying. But she is a light magic user and the common trope or dark side of the light is righteousness and hypocrisy.)

7. Hotel Del Luna. (I LOVE K-dramas! This series is an amazing, quirky story that tackles themes like death, trauma, and shedding the past in a way that makes you laugh & and feel vindicated. Plus, the female lead is super confident, cool, & empowered throughout the narrative and has a lot of yandere traits without being too ridiculous. Also, I just love the concept of a hotel for ghosts in the afterlife. There's so much potential in that trope.) 8. Mr. Queen (Another quirky K-drama about time travel that takes place in the austere land of Joseon. There's time travel, sarcastic and witty banter. Gender swapping through crazy awesome Korean magic. And a clever, irreverent protagonist who slowly redeems himself over the process of the whole series from asshole to best boy. At least imo. Also, the outfits, and the background of the whole show is just really well-done. I can tell a lot of love went into those hanboks.) 9. Hannibal. (Okay so not exactly a comfort show as much as it is a "Yandere Crave". When I'm writing villain or misunderstood characters I sometimes just start binging on this show. I love Mads Mikkelsen. I guess I just have a thing for the last name "Mikael's son" and variants of it. The dynamic between Hannibal and Will was maddening and intense and I love how obsession and finding yourself reflected in another person plays a part of it.) 10. The Untamed (Have you ever watched a TV series that moved you to tears both in it's narrative, setting, outfit, and actors? Have you ever burned with longing for two characters to embrace each other while they both fought on opposite sides of philosophy and politics? Have you ever burst out in tears crying ugly sloppy happy and sad tears at the end of it and felt an emptiness so profound in your soul upon completion of it? Number 10 wears the crown in my list. It has no equal.)

[a-tale-never-told]

Also, regarding what’s been brought up about RWBY or OUAT or other fandoms: have you ever heard the expression “White Women’s Tears”? Basically, white women hate being abused by men, but whenever their own abuse of poor people or PoC is criticized, they burst into tears and claim to be the real victims. You should look up the term “White Women’s Tears”, a lot of bizarre fandom behavior will suddenly make a lot more sense.

I have known about that. The utter excuse and the hypocrisy that women hate being abused by guys, but when they do abuse and are called out for that shit, they whine and bitch about it. One of the main reasons I hate Blake a lot so fucking much.

[marril96]

Remember, folks

Hating a fictional character is only sexist when the character you hate is female.

If they’re male, go for it. But if they’re female, you’re a filthy misogynist. /s

[fucknoouat]

When you see more gifs of a generic white guy on your dash than the beautiful new women of color

[gch1995]

I see you liking all my old OUaT and Rumbelle content and it's really validating to know people are still mad at A&E for destroying my dreams

LOL! You should see my posts here that I made about why OUAT became an enduring legacy, and my comment on the “Does anyone here support Rumbelle?” post. This show is such a legacy because it showed all of us in the fandom mostly how to not completely fuck up and waste potential for amazing characters, relationships, and storylines with absurd, biased, cliched, inconsistent, ableist, classist, sexist, homophobic, misogynistic, racist, cheaply shocking, contrived, inconsistent, hypocritical, gross, repetitive, and stupid characterizations, twists, storylines, and tropes. The main cast, and the fact that the fans did OUAT far better is why this show ultimately became such an enduring legacy.

As for Rumple, Belle, and Rumbelle, I’ll always love them, both individually and as a couple, as they were originally characterized and written from S1-S3 of the show, in canon-divergent/AU fanfic scenarios, and in my imagination and headcanons as the characters and couple they could have and should have been and remained on the show.

However, I don’t support any of the cheaply shocking, contrived, wildly inconsistent, wildly flanderdized, and wildly ooc cartoonishly evil, exceedingly cruel, exceedingly conniving, exceedingly deceptive, exceedingly distrustful, exceedingly manipulative, exceedingly desperate, exceedingly hypocritical, exceedingly self-righteous, exceedingly selfish, exceedingly reckless, exceedingly self-sabotaging, exceedingly single-minded, and ridiculously oblivious and gullible plot-driven behaviors, reactions, and mischaracterizations for either one of them on-and-off-again in the piss poor excuse for canon that OUAT devolved into after the first two-and-a-half to three ish seasons, either individually or as a couple. Really, the absurd, cheaply shocking, contrived, inconsistent, flanderdized, and ooc melodramatic toxicity and stupidity was on both sides of their relationship pretty badly in regards to each other from late 3B-S6 on-and-off-again, so I’m not going to take sides.

I don’t support the increasingly contrived, unfair, and ridiculous nature of Rumple’s regressions on this show in canon the longer it went on on-and-off-again, starting in 2B.

I just refuse to hold any of it against either of the individual characters or their relationship together. I refuse to let it ruin my enjoyment of the individual characters and the pairing because I still cherish bittersweet, beautiful, relatable, and complex Rumbelle we originally got from S1-S3, and me, and the Rumbelle fandom stick to that version in our headcanons and canon-divergent/AU fanfic. Also so many of the shitty and stupid ways in which they reacted to each other in later seasons in canon was due to cheaply shocking, horrifically, inconsistently, illogically, and wildly OOC badly written mischaracterizations and extremes they were forced to through being driven by Kitsowitz and these writers increasingly blatant favoritism of Hook/CS, hypocrisy, and their increasingly absurd, cheaply shocking, and contrived twists, magical macguffins, prophecies, and twists in the plot with little to no consistent, organic, logical, or relatable lead up. It was just for the sake of shock value, creator pet propping, and repetitive storytelling, so it wasn’t even worth hating on either of the characters or the couple for any of it. Much of their wildly ooc shittiness and stupidity didn’t make any sort of consistent, relatable, or organic sense post S3 ish.

I could understand hating on the characters for becoming shitty, illogical, and unsympathetic people if characterization, development, or regression in canon OUAT made any sort of consistent, gradual, organic, and relatable sense that made hating them for it feel well-earned. However, there had been less and less consistency and credibility of characterization, development, regression, and storytelling in OUAT for these characters and relationships, starting in 2B, and after 3A, it just went completely off the rails into unforgivably bad territory because they killed off their core theme of family with Neal, broke their own rules of not being able to resurrect the dead by bringing back Rumple, reframed the narrative (and most of the remaining main cast’s original characterizations) around Hook/CS, retconned the characters previously established development, and derailed everyone in increasingly awful, cheaply shocking, and ridiculous ways to rerail them all over again full circle back to the development they achieved at the end of the Neverland arc.

The characters went between being characterized as good to evil, evil to good, sympathetic to unsympathetic, kind to cruel, cruel to kind, intelligent to stupid, trusting to distrusting, distrusting to trusting, forgiving to unforgiving, unforgiving to forgiving, sane to batshit insane, batshit insane to sane again, and so on in the blink of an eye based off of whatever the writers wanted for them to be to fit their absurd, biased, cheaply shocking and contrived plots and twists as every season passed. By the time we got to the end of 5A, they often weren’t even bothering to stay consistent with most of the characters characterizations and motivations throughout a single episode, particularly not with Emma, Hook, Rumple, and Belle who were part of all this cheaply shocking, contrived, toxic, and silly magical soap opera romantic melodrama. They were definitely the characters who it was most difficult for me to get a clear grasp on because of this, though everyone’s characterizations and motivations were often baffling and confusing to me, which is why I finally quit watching after S5.

I love the original Rumple who was deeply loving, and the original Rumple who was learning to respect Belle’s wishes, make compromises and always allowing her personal space when she wanted it. I love the original Rumple who was learning to be honest with Belle. I love the original Rumple who would never ever recklessly threaten to physically harm Belle for personal gain with magic, not even in a panic. I love the original Rumple who cried when Belle asked him out for a hamburger date, and the original Rumple who adorkably flirted with her by joking with her about ketchup.

I love the original Rumple who had an actual storyline with a consistent motivation in trying to make amends with his loved ones, particularly Bae, rather than the one of later seasons who seemed more motivated by excessive self-interest, recklessness, and desperation, no matter the cost, that came out of nowhere whenever some absurd and contrived magical macguffin and/or cruel twist of fate with magic came out of nowhere to tempt him back to the dark side again.

I love the original Rumple who was clearly and consistently framed and written as sympathetic in the narrative, in spite of his flaws, and on a clear path towards redemption, while also not being whitewashed or excused for most of his crimes and/or bad choices from S1-S3, and in canon-divergent/AU headcanon and fanon scenarios.

I love the original Belle of OUAT from “Skin Deep” to S3 and in canon-divergent/AU headcanon and fanon scenarios who was brave, compassionate, intelligent, independent, and perceptive. I love the original Belle, who saw people for who they really were, and who refused to take anyone’s shit, not just Rumple’s. I love the original Belle who was a genuinely good person who generally practiced the beliefs and morals she preached about to other people, rather than contradicting them herself whenever it was convenient for her, only to mercilessly and self-righteously condemn and vilify Rumple for so much as considering not doing the same with little to no self-awareness in regards to her own hypocritical toxicity.

I loved the original Belle who wasn’t glorified in the narrative for giving Rumple ultimatums to do what she said in order for them to be together, but who actually had to realize that, while she couldn’t and shouldn’t just sit back and enable Rumple’s bad choices and stay with him, no matter what he did, she also couldn’t treat their relationship status together as a biscuit on a string held above his head as reward that she was willing to snatch away when he didn’t comply in order to force him to be good. I love the original Belle who had values of heroism that were actually based off of who she was at her core, a brave, kind, open-minded, empathetic, perceptive, intuitive, and intelligent young woman, who valued free choice, empathy, and mercy, rather than the Belle who’s “heroism” became more about a shallow desire to emulate caricatures from archaic fairytales about knight defeating dark sorcerers and rescuing people, and a desire to fit in with “the cool kids of Storybrooke” by being exceedingly anti-Rumple, no matter what he did, right or wrong.

I love the original Belle who treated everyone fairly, including Rumple, even if it meant she didn’t get to fit in with the cool kids of Storybrooke by not being anti-Rumple to the point of excessive cruelty and refusing to engage with him in later seasons, even when he did try to reach out to her honestly, kindly, gently, and make healthy compromises. Recklessly endangering Rumple’s life by forcibly exiling him out of town with nothing was really the height of this character assassination in her in canon. Rumple deserved to be dumped for deceiving Belle. Belle had no choice but to use the dagger to stop him from being shady and killing Hook when she caught him red-handed.

However, Rumple did not deserve to have his life recklessly endangered by his true love forcibly exiling him from their home with nothing forever, especially because it didn’t really even seem like Belle cared all that much about the town’s safety when she made that choice, anyway. It was more that she was pissed that he lied, and misguidedly believed that he loved power more than her. He could have died because she left him with nothing out in the middle of nowhere. He almost did die because she left him with nothing out in the middle of nowhere. In real life, this could/would be a charge against her for at least a misdemeanor of DV, and at worst, a felony of involuntary manslaughter, if he actually did die because she recklessly endangered his life by forcibly exiling him with nothing. Yet, she didn’t even seem to feel that bad about it at all.

That to me, was a horrible character assassination in canon of Belle in 4A when she never had to deal with any sort of negative repercussions for it with Rumple calling her out as wrong, and/or being framed as not completely in the wrong for being distrusting of her. If she had, then I could have forgiven it, but she didn’t, so it made me dislike her in canon, and it’s one of the main reasons why I finally quit watching S5. I guess she finally got it at the end of 6A when she told Rumple “What have we done to each other?” However, too much inexplicable character assassinating damage had been done to both her and Rumple at that point in canon for me to forgive anymore. I just felt disgusted by the wildly ooc, ridiculously oblivious, and overdramatically toxic extremes Kitsowitz and their team of hacks had reduced them both to for the sake of cheap shock value, contrived Rumple villainy, repetitive storytelling, and Hook/CS propping. I was glad they got their “happy ending” and “redemption arc” in a shallow manner at the end of S6 because it was the least they deserved on this badly written clusterfuck of a fairytale show where everyone had screwed each other over terribly by being abusive, being exceedingly cruel, being exceedingly manipulative, being exceedingly deceptive, committing murder unjustifiably, committing attempted child abduction, committing attempted kidnapping, committing kidnapping, committing child abduction, recklessly endangering the lives of others needlessly, working with each other’s enemies needlessly, threatening to harm each other, and/or actually harming each other at least once now, if not multiple times, and were still getting a “happy ending” and “redemption arc, anyway, so this badly written canon Rumbelle might as well, too.

But it didn’t mean I was okay with any of the wildly ooc, cheaply shocking, contrived, horrifying, and stupid character destroying angst and twists Kitsowitz and their team of hacks had been pulling on Rumple and Belle, both individually and as a couple, for roughly three seasons from late 3B-6A. The canon Rumbelle from S4-S6 (and even S7) was mostly not the same ship that I had signed up for and latched on to so strongly, either individually or as a couple, from 1x08-S3, and I’m forever bitter that Kitsowitz and their team of hacks wasted the potential of those beautiful, bittersweet, complex, and relatable characters and their relationship together with believable flaws and strengths, so that they could keep shoehorning Rumple back into the scapegoat on-and-off-again villain plot device role after bringing him back.

I think this contrived, inorganic, and nonsensical nature of Rumple’s regressions started showing up in 2B with that “The boy will be your undoing” prophecy, but then we were still being privy to a huge chunk of his POV in the main narrative, so he came across as much more sympathetic throughout the whole thing, which made it so it didn’t feel too terribly ooc.

That little twist at that end where Rumple was suddenly attempting to murder Henry right at the end of 2B was kind of OOC because he was doing it after vowing not to do it all throughout 2B in the present day beforehand to save his own skin, particularly when he found out that he and Henry were related, and he kept having terrifying nightmares of doing it. That was the first small moment on the show where Rumple was suddenly derailed into a nearly irredeemable corner out of nowhere after being consistently portrayed as sympathetic beforehand, and it wasn’t necessary to get him to the point he was at at the end of 3A either. It was just a ooc moment to cheesily create a moment of cheaply shocking suspense in the audience of “Oh no, I thought Rumple was planning not to do this horrible thing before. What if he does this terrible thing, and can’t be redeemed anymore?...Oh, thank god someone was there to give him information that caused him to reconsider doing the cheaply shocking horrible thing right in the nick of time before he went too far, and now he’s back on the track for redemption that we previously had established he was before we threw in that twist out of nowhere to make you think he’d actually fail.”

However, I let it go back then because not wanting to die and lose the chance of being with his son again is a sympathetic motive for committing attempted murder of someone, even an innocent, and even if the reasoning behind why is kind of bizarre, for plot reasons, and he did get back on the right track again a moment later after being told Bae was “dead”. Aside from that one wildly ooc moment at the last minute of 2B, though, Rumple had pretty clearly shown that he did not want to kill Henry, felt terrified about doing it, and then he went right back on track a minute later and decided not to do it when Snowing told him that Bae was “dead,” which ultimately culminated in him selflessly sacrificing his life to save Henry, Bae, Belle, and the rest of the town. Rumple’s character should have just stayed dead after that because, in spite of a few flaws here and there in the writing, it was a pretty relatively consistent, organic, beautiful, and well-earned arc, and there really wasn’t anywhere else to go up with him after having him do that, anyway.

Also, the Lacey twist was the first small instance contrived twist that took away Belle’s original sympathetic and intelligent characterization and agency in story that should have been about both her and Rumple, so that they could make Rumple look somewhat distrust-worthy and shady when he was forced to be somewhat dark/morally ambiguous to get Lacey’s attention to protect Belle from herself when he couldn’t get through to her by being the best version of himself that she fell in love with, and didn’t know what else to do. I didn’t get too worked up about it back then because it had only happened once, but yeah, I didn’t like the dubious consent issues that the whole Lacey/Belle twist created, or the fact that Belle’s agency was suddenly taken away to make Rumple look kind of shady. I didn’t like the fact that Belle was made to be uncharacteristically stupid and unsympathetic, so that they could use her as a plot device that put Rumple in a position where he felt either tempted and/or forced to be shady again.

I’ve seen canon-divergent/AU stories of Rumple’s resurrection and ultimate redemption stories done really well by the far superior creative writers in the Dearie/Rumbelle fandom, particularly by @toseehowthestoryends. But Kitsowitz and their team of writers lacked the desire and the skill to pull it off. They weren’t ultimately interested in writing consistent, organic, and relatable characterization development, or human reactions in their characters. They picked favorites. They kept shoehorning characters into “hero” and “villain” slots, even after all of these characters had become pretty inexcusably toxic to each other in one way or another, and either didn’t recognize and/or didn’t care to recognize, their own hypocrisy. They relied too hard on cheap shock value and contrived magical twists and macguffins to drive their story, even if it meant they felt they had to sacrifice their characters credibility and integrity.

Frankly, the entire show should have just ended altogether after the Neverland arc because that was clearly all the story for growth they had planned out ahead of time for Emma, Snow, David, Regina, Rumple, Henry, and even Hook, their favorite, too, anyway.

After that arc, Bae’s death, Rumple’s resurrection, and the promotion of Hook to the main lead, the Aesop’s Amnesia trope kept hitting all of these remaining main characters in increasingly cheaply shocking, contrived, wildly ooc, painful, flanderdized, ridiculous, and unsympathetic ways in order to force them to relearn the same lessons they already had learned to grow past relatively consistently, dynamically, and sympathetically throughout S1-3A. They brought the show back after they ran out of story, killed off their core theme of family with Neal, resurrected Rumple from the best done two-and-a-half season redemption arc to demonize him on-and-off-again as a foil for “hero” Hook, set up Hook as the romantic lead for Emma, ruined Emma for Hook, and derailed all of their remaining main characters to re-rail them over and over and over and over again.

The only one who remained mostly consistent, normal, and in-character post S3 was Regina, and even she was getting the character derailing Aesop’s Amnesia trope and idiot ball throughout S4-S6 sometimes in trying to find magical solutions to artificially absolve herself of her guilt from her past crimes, such as searching for the author in S4, and using the shears to split off her dark side in 5B and 6A. Just why? I get that you feel guilty about the crimes you committed Regina, but you’ve gained Henry, Emma, the Charmings, and the rest of the town’s forgiveness and acceptance by trying to be better before. Just keep trying to be better, take ownership of the crimes you’ve made in the past, admit that you were wrong, and move on by being content with the happy ending and redemption with the family you’ve always wanted earned here in the present day now, rather than needlessly and stupidly self-sabotaging by seeking out magical solutions to artificially absolve your guilt. If it’s really that hard for you to move on from the past by accepting personal accountability for your crimes, then I would recommend going to see Archie for therapy again to talk about, but don’t stupidly sabotage the good things you already have earned here and now with Henry and the Charmings acceptance and forgiveness to try to artificially absolve yourself of your guilt with magic.

Otherwise, Regina got her crimes whitewashed, she never really had any sort of resolution to the dumb choices with magic she made, and her character just fell flat after the Neverland arc because she never really learned anything new or grew any further after her attempted selfless sacrifice in 2B to save Henry and the town, and her selfless choice to let Henry go with Emma to save him at the end of “Going Home,” in spite of his memories getting erased of her in process once he crossed the town line. Regina never became the outright evil cartoon villain she was back in S1 whenever she backslid post S3, which is more than I can say for the writing of the other main villains on this show in canon whenever they regressed post S3, but she was still kind of falling back into old patterns and storylines with the Aesop’s Amnesia and idiot ball bad writing tropes in order to force her to relearn lessons that she already had back in S2-3A.

There was a particularly painful egregiousness to the character assassinations of Rumple, Belle, and Emma to prop up Hook/CS, though. Rumple was the only other morally gray male anti-villain on the show, and a huge part of Hook’s original introduction on the show was due to the fact that Rumple was the villain in his story when he killed Milah in an impulsive rage over her leaving Bae. Because they were lazy terrible writers, who didn’t want to put in any sort of effort to actually taking the time to believably and organically develop Hook into a redemptive anti-villain/antihero in his own right, Kitsowitz and these writers resorted to inorganically forcing the character to be the “redeemed” antiheroic main lead by setting him up in a contrived, creepy, and wildly ooc cheap Rumbelle rip-off romance with their main lead heroine (Emma Swan) that enabled rape culture and toxic masculinity in Hook’s aggressive stalker-ish pursuit of Emma, regardless of her feelings when they had her give in to his persistance, by killing off Neal to replace him with Hook, by breaking their own rules to bring Rumple back from the most consistently sympathetic, relatable, and well-earned two-and-a-half to three season redemption arc, so they could reduce him to an on-and-off-again demonized foil for “hero” Hook, by turning Emma into a codependent, cruel, violent, hypocritical, and selfish bitch to make Hook look better, by reducing Rumbelle to the problem couple of OUAT, both individually and as a couple, and by making Emma, Belle, Snow, David, and even Henry to be his enablers.

However, even Hook’s character was assassinated pretty badly in 5A when he had that heel-face turn into a flanderdized cartoon sociopath out of nowhere after he found out Emma brought him back as a Dark One against his wishes when he came up with that plan to get vengeance on her by killing her friends and family through attempting to send them all to the UW, and even after he was “redeemed” afterwards it felt lazy and unbelievable because all he did was clean up his own mess by deciding not to kill everyone at the last second, and afterwards, he was still reverting back to making old bad choices of seeking vengeance on Rumple, lying to Emma, and, at worst, continuing to be romanticized and whitewashed for still being a dick in his spare time whenever he found a good excuse to revert again, anyway, which had been the case since S4.

Tl;dr The show should have just ended with the Neverland arc. The problems in the writing that were already starting to show up enough as it already was throughout S1-3A were proof enough that Kitsowitz and these writers couldn’t handle more than two-and-a-half seasons of relatively consistent, dynamic, and satisfying characterization and growth because after that it fell into a deep, dark, and inescapable abyss of character destroying and repetitive bad writing that not even the sentiments of shallow “happy endings” and “redemption” arcs could make up for in the end.

[carsonnieve]

Fic writer review [Or a fic writer tag game if you prefer]

I was tagged by @shadowdianne even though I have... not too many published fics.

1. How many works do you have on AO3?

Not so many since almost 3/4 are archived but out for the public to read just 8 works.

2. What’s your total AO3 word count?

According to the stats page on AO3: 80438 words. Which is not too much for the people who know how much I love writing long fics, but since most published works are oneshots or 3-chapters-long then... It is what it is.

3. How many fandoms have you written for?

Honestly? A lot. I'm going to try and list them all but I can't promise anything since anxiety fucked up my memory these past few months.

I started writing Faberry and Pezberry (actually one of my favorite fics ever written by me is this last mentioned ship, it's called "stars", it's an AU and my favorite plot ever), I guessed I also sank really deep in SwanQueen, I wrote a lot for this couple and only one fic is published because I hate so many things about this fandom, especially its hypocrisy and people who only wants attention not gonna lie (sorry not sorry, I am not the first person who thinks this and won't be the last). Bechloe and Mevie came right after and found my perfect place to keep writing about them and Supercorp is the last fandom I've been in as a writer and continue to be even though nothing is published yet (don't know why, probably 'cause there's too many good fics in it already and mine won't be liked by anyone). I also write for a really small fandom who's spanish and it's called Mirieya, if anyone knows about this I'll give you a kiss on the cheek.

4. Top 5 fics by kudos?

Surprisingly enough (not really, I knew this was happening), my top 5 fics by kudos are from the Descendants fandom and are the next ones (some of them not even finished yet):

Watch me ride the beat, let me, to find the light even in the darkest places (this one's a crossover with Shadowhunters), some things are meant to be and fool for you (the only one who's not a mevie fic).

5. Do you respond to comments? Why/why not?

I always try to respond. If I ever forget doing so I always come back and reply anyway because is the least writers can do for someone who takes their tame to write something about our works and I LOVE interacting with people who do so.

6. A fic you’ve written with the angstiest ending:

The one I've written with the angstiest ending is actually not published yet and I can't say anything about it (and I'm sure @shadowdianne is going to love me for this, they'll be the proudest). It's Supercorp and it will destroy you because I've cried so much writing it, you have no idea.

But if I have to mention one that's published I guess that little SwanQueen I made long ago, unsay these spoken words.

7. Do you write crossovers?

I do! And I love to write crossovers! Even if it's not implicit. For example, one of my headcanons about Evie (Descendants) is that her mom is Regina Mills and her story is the one she has in OUAT, except for a really happy ending with Emma Swan, so Evie has two moms and I love it.

But I write a lot of crossover fics. I plan to do one with Mevie and Supercorp, still thinking about it.

8. Ever received hate on a fic?

Uhm. Not directly, I guess? I mean, lots of complaints like: when are you going to update? why is this written like this? this is too angsty (no shit sherlock, angst is a trigger warning in the fic) blah, blah, blah...

9. Do you write smut?

I do! But I also enjoy more writing the "pre-smut" if you say, I enjoy teasing too much.

9. Have you ever had a fic stolen?

Luckily, no. I haven't. Not that I know of, at least.

10. Ever had a fic translated?

I translate them myself since I'm a translator and interpreter so...

12. Have you ever co-written a fic?

I love co-writing. In the Descendants fandom I'm used to write with my dear friend @eternolimitado but I have a few collabs that need to be finished (-coughs- @shadowdianne looking at you intensely).

13. All-time favourite ship?

The obvious answer is Mevie but it's actually Supercorp.

14. WIP you want to finish, but don’t think you ever will?

Probably a lot, but the first one that came to much is this WIP I have with so much angst in it. It's actually based on the movie Burlesque and its two main characters I can't really talk about but if you're interested in it DM me.

15. Writing strengths?

Uhm... Nothing? At least from my point of view. People say I'm good at description and analyzing a character. I get so invested in my characters that I have to study them previously. For example, it took me an awful lot to write Regina and Lena properly.

16. Writing weaknesses?

Dialogue. Definitely dialogue. I love description too much.

17. Thoughts on writing dialogue in another language in a fic?

If one of my characters speaks another language I always try to write dialogue in that language. I do that a lot with Evie since Sofia is Colombian, for example. Of course it comes with a translation at the end of the fic.

18. First fandom you ever wrote for?

Definitely Faberry (Glee).

19. What’s your fav fic you’ve written so far?

This is hard to answer... but I guess I really enjoy the universe I created with "watch me ride the beat". I love modern!AU's and everything was made from the heart.

I'm not going to tag anyone but feel free!! <3

[idreamtofmanderleyagain]

Regarding my post recently about how annoying I find anti-Reylo petty!posting, I want to make it absolutely clear that like, I don’t have an issue with people wanting to have serious discussions about the problems they have with it or with Kylo, Particularly because Kylo painfully reminds some people of current real-world behaviors. 

Just as an example, within my own ships I’ve had serious issues in the past regarding the implications of how certain characters and storylines were handled. I shipped Rumbelle from OUAT for a long while. I was super into the concept during Season 1. But then Season 2 changed a lot of things for me. It was revealed that Rumple systematically manipulated Regina for many years. It was revealed that he also murdered his first wife out of anger and jealousy (she was his emotional abuser, but the framing of his motives made his major reasons clear. Also emotional abuse doesn’t justify murder but I digress).  He repeatedly lied to Belle in order to selfishly keep her with him and blind her to what he did to his first wife.

Belle spent the entirety of their relationship basically denying his darkness and insisting that he change. It was probably one of the ugliest renditions of a Beauty and the Beast tale there is, because it managed to pretty much intentionally have the messages some people criticize BATB for having (even though it never did).

I still like the concept of Rumbelle in theory, because Robert Carlyle’s performance in that first Season was phenomenal and I loved the idea of the character initially. It would have been awesome to see a well written romance for him.

But as you can see, this ship inherently has serous issues, and many of those issues involve racism and sexism and abusive behavior. I would still enjoy shipping Rumbelle, but personally I feel like too much of canon’s poisoned storyline has permeated it’s fandom and fanfic, so I just can’t really invest any energy into picking out the stuff I don’t like anymore.

While the height of my OUAT fandom days didn’t really occur during the height of the anti-villain stanning days, I certainly still had people assume a lot of things about my feelings regarding Rumbelle, many of which reduced me down from a complex human being with ethics into a braindead icky fangirl who didn’t care about the ship’s problems because I was too busy stanning Rumpelstiltskin/Mr.Gold.

Over the years on this site I have had people treat me and others that way over characters and ships like Loki and Labyrinth’s Sarah/Jareth, and any number of villains or villain/heroine ships I’ve had in my time here. People who engaged in this kind of behavior rarely interacted long enough to ask what my (or anyone else’s) actual nuanced opinions were, because it was easier for them to create an immoral target out of us. The purpose was to make themselves feel superior over someone they could not humanize, not to spread awareness or engage in actual discussion with peers.

The most frustrating part of this is the blatant hypocrisy involved with this kind of behavior. I’ve seen Loki fangirls I’ve known who seem to enjoy trashing Reylo, as if Loki had significantly cleaner hands or ideologies than Kylo. As if the Loki fandom hasn’t churned out a boatload of Abuser!Loki fanfiction, as if they hadn’t mostly turned me off of my own ship (Loki/Darcy) because of how toxic they could depict it. As if I didn’t see a sizable percentage of Loki fangirls make Nick Fury the biggest villain in their fanfics, making him essentially an oppressor figure. 

If you are a Loki fangirl you are certainly not automatically better than a Kylo fangirl. You don’t get to pretend that you are cleaner than the Reylos. If you like any villain at all, your hands are not necessarily cleaner.

But if you’ve never liked a villain at all, your hands are not necessarily cleaner, either. How many Rose/Doctor shippers who hated on Martha, or Clara/Doctor shippers who hated on Danny Pink, are anti-Loki or anti-Reylo, I wonder? I’m really not at all convinced that people who behave this way care about abuse, sexism or racism when it’s their own ships or favorite dudes.

The problem with these mean spirited petty jokes, bitching and bullying posts about Reylo that get passed around on this site is that they give away the hypocrisy of (predominantly) white fangirls who only half-bother to bring up serious issues when it’s convenient and safe for them, when it looks good for their SJ cred and social media reputation, and when they can hurt others with it without any consequences or repercussions for themselves or the things they personally enjoy. 

And honestly I’m done with that. Have the courage and maturity to be critical of your own spaces, while respecting other people’s ability to do so within their spaces. If you are going to be critical of something, actually be thoughtfully critical and leave the petty bullshit behind you, because it just makes you look like a dick at this point.

So in conclusion, if you’re a marginalized person who had negative feelings about Reylo and expressed that thoughtfully, that post was not directed at you. If you are a Reylo who doesn’t have a single critical eye for what you consume or how you yourself engage in fandom, particularly when it comes to how you might alienate marginalized people, that post did not exist to protect you.

That post was me not giving a single fuck about anybody’s bullshit anymore. I don’t care about anybody’s online reputation or ego or petty mocking anymore, I don’t care how much SJ talking points and banners you list in your blog descriptions. I’m tired and getting way too old for this obnoxious high school shit.

[ouathinktank-metacommentary]

I'm confused, I never understood it. Who ARE multishippers anyway, and what do they multiship - if they hate Emma so much?

I’m sure this is a question you should rather be aiming–at them? But then again, yes, you’d probably be accused of being a single-minded Swan Queen (just assuming :) shipper, a biphobe–or something equally banal. Because, that’s the general pattern?

But if you ask us, I’d say there are two categories. The first, who started as SQ shippers (built cred as fanfic authors, then wanted to expand the fanbase–things to peddle an’ all) and then more or less failed at balancing, putting their fanwanked version of OQ canon (they just want Regina happy, aww!) ahead of Hook-infested (she’s been degraded in favour of CS, so they “don’t want that Emma anywhere near Regina” now) Emma canon–to the point of anti-Emma and even anti-JMo. And the other group, who believe that shipping different ships with different characters (be it from the same show, or any another) makes you a multishipper. You know, instead of shipping single character with multiple others (like say, I totally dug Faith the vampire slayer in two het, and.. *counts*..four different slash ships) but–EQUALLY so?

The problem aren’t those multishippers who ship whatever, the problem are those who due to the ‘authority’ given by their following (clicks, notes, illusion of popularity and the the power it brings, arrogance to lord over the sheep, gaslighting, bullying, you know–typical highschool frame of mind) took monopoly over entire interpretation of the show, its characters, enforcing opinions onto entire fandom, telling people what to think, accept, how to behave (in fandom or at cons) hell–even which actors to worship and which to shun. All of which could’ve been prevented, you know?

[justanoutlawfic]

I don't have a meme blog. I found you through the ouat tag. But maybe people just like calling out your hypocrisy in hating some characters for the same things your faves have done.

Nah, I don’t have hypocrisy. I will happily call out my faves and I have, several times. Just look through my blog. I’ve said that Regina losing Henry and Snow losing Emma is a circle of reprocussions for terrible, villanious actions. Still love them both. Still felt my heart break.

I’ve been very clear. You just want to twist my words. If you have an issue with my views, you can block me or leave my blog. It’s not a fandom requirement to talk to me.

[ouatsnark]

saw a sq say why is killian suddenly belle's bff who protects her when he previously harmed her, then what is regina to emma then?

They mad that Regina never gave Belle a proper apology and only ever used her without actually trying to help her. They're also mad that Regina never expressed regret over how she treated Belle.

Meanwhile, Killian felt remorse for his actions against Belle.

Killian was there for Belle when Belle had to send Rumple away. He was there for her again when she was trying to protect her child from the Dark One.

I really do not understand how Regina Apologists write these things and then don't stop and think "wow, the same could be said about Regina!" Because it's the truth!

And this doesn't apply only to Emma but also to Snow and even Henry!

Snow befriended Regina right after this! Hailed her a hero. It's like does anyone want to stop and think about this for moment? Regina doesn't regret tearing Snow's family apart because Regina got her own family out of it.

But sure yeah lets accept her as a friend right after that.

And I am still not sure how Emma let Regina live after knowing what Regina put her son through! But here we are!

[mrs-emma-swan-jones]

Colin spoiled Rumple death lol

Anon #2: Welp, Colin just spoiled Rumple's death to the masses with that new post LOLOLOLOLOL.

Anon #3: ***HYPOCRISY*** JMO spoils baby hope at a fan con for a few 1000 people. Not a huge plot point. *Burn the evil witch. Boo* Colin spoils probably the biggest plot point tonight for all of instagram...*Aww sweet irish idiot"

Anon #4: Me: waits for the anti JMo crowd who piled on her for spoiling Hope at a con to pile on Colin  Also me: dies of old age Also me: yawns at the predictable and transparent hypocrisy           

LOL, literally no one on the OUAT cast gives a single fuck anymore and I love it! 

And of course they’re not going to jump on Colin for spoiling Rumple’s death (even though it had 1. already been spoiled and 2. is a much more significant spoiler than the CS baby).  First of all, Colin is a man, and there is definitely some underlying sexism in this fandom when it comes to how these people react to things he does vs. things Jen does.  Second of all, they’re so obsessed with him that they absolutely refuse to be upset with him over anything.  Jen literally did the exact same thing he’s done now (ignoring the fact that Colin’s spoilers was worse) and they attacked her just because they wanted a reason to be mad at her.  There is no reason for them to be mad other than they want to be hypocrites and attack Jen.  They’re the literal worst (as if we needed any more confirmation).

[superfluousstuckupitude]

wtatennisfreak-blog replied to your post “People already shipping hq or regina + someone else is… certainly…”

Wish Hook may have the same genes, but he’s a totally different person, having totally different experiences. “Rogers” was already a way better person when he met Emma than Hook was when he did. He obviously hasn’t devoted his existence to revenge.

@wtatennisfreak-blog

Wish Hook may have the same genes, but he’s a totally different person, having totally different experiences

Saying he’s a totally different person and had has totally different experiences is quite the claim. How do you know this? What evidence do you have to back this up? We’ve seen him for like what, two episodes? That’s not a whole lot of screentime to come to the conclusion that he’s totally different from the Hook we know.

In fact I could argue he’s the exact same person. He’s the Hook if Emma hadn’t become the saviour and if you recall he’s over 300 years older than Emma. Many of the experiences he’s had were long before Emma was born. So I could make the argument that both Hooks have had the exact same experiences up until the time Emma was born.

“Rogers” was already a way better person when he met Emma than Hook was when he did

See above argument.

He obviously hasn’t devoted his existence to revenge.

You’re speaking very absolutely for not having very much evidence to back up statements you’re making. Why would he have had a reason to obsess over it? In his realm snow and charming already dealt with the dark one so he has no reason to go after him. Hook has an addict’s personality; with his revenge, then with Emma, and with alcohol as well. It seems without his revenge and Emma his addictive personality just went straight for the alcohol.

Let me ask you a question, are you a hook fan? I ask because I’ve seen you on one of my somewhat anti Hook posts and I’ve seen you on others similar to it defending him. If you are a fan why do you read anti posts about him? Even with the post this is about I didn’t tag it in the OUAT tag. So do you actively go looking for posts that speak negatively about your fave? 

Besides the point of that post was not to discuss the differences in the Hooks but to point out the hypocrisy in the fandom. To call out some Regina fans who call out behavior in the CS/Hook fandom they deem problematic but exhibit the same behaviour.

[piracytheorist]

no one is erasing milah from narrative as part of the past, because that is part of Hook's past, just because the fandom didnt pay much emphasis on her, no one erased Hook's revenge and first love.... i think you completely missed the point of the post you saw and talking about. are you going to complain how milah is erased from rumple's past when he murdered her and nothing has come of it. and i really dont know how milah even came to the conclusion of what the debate of wish hook lol

Wow.

Wow.

There's so much presumption and misunderstanding in this message I don't know where to begin (and if I even should).

"no one is erasing milah from narrative as part of the past, because that is part of Hook's past, just because the fandom didnt pay much emphasis on her, no one erased Hook's revenge and first love"

Yes, no writer in OUAT has erased Milah ('cept for that time they destroyed her soul). But fans have constantly written fics where there simply is no Milah around, or meta where they say that she wasn’t a positive influence for him because she wasn’t his TrUE loVE!!!11! and Emma is better just because she is his TruE LoVE!!!1!

Besides the fact that that is piting a female character (who was murdered twice, horribly) against another female character (when all those two characters did on screen was work together like the Boss Ass Bitches they are), that is Milah erasure, because they’re simply saying that Milah didn’t have any impact on Killian’s characterization.

I could point you to so many anti-Milah posts written from CSers but 1) that would take a lot of time and 2) I don’t want to point fingers at certain people.

“i think you completely missed the point of the post you saw and talking about”

You’re right, anonyme. You think. And I’m kind of confused about what post you’re talking about. How do you even know what post I saw and came in my own fucking blog to vent about it? How do you even know it was a post I saw and I was not prompted by a private discussion?

“are you going to complain how milah is erased from rumple's past when he murdered her and nothing has come of it.”

Uhm, actually, I have. A TON OF TIMES. My initial review of 5x14 is just mostly 2500 words of me screaming out about how horrible this episode was, how horrible Milah’s treatment was and how I hoped she would come back. And I have made the occassional post about how RumpeIstiltskin needs to be brought to justice for what he did and Milah needs to have her justice.

In fact, my top-noted drabble is just about that.

If you have no fucking clue about what I post and what opinions I have do not fucking come into my inbox and presume things about me. Okay? Okay.

“and i really dont know how milah even came to the conclusion of what the debate of wish hook lol” 

And this is the proof that I shouldn’t have bothered with this message in the first place, because it’s obvious that you didn’t understand how Milah was brought into the discussion, LOL.

But because I’m cheerful this morning and have already done my homework for my German class, I’ll explain it to you: There have been CS fans who have been erasing Milah, like I explained above, for a very long time. Coming now and complaining about Emma erasure in the narrative is complete hypocrisy and partiality, since they themselves have been doing the same with another female character that Killian Jones, their fave, once loved until she died in his arms.

Mind you that I’m not talking about all fans who are talking about Emma erasure. I’m talking about a certain part of those fans who I’ve constantly seen bash and erase Milah in the past.

And this is my blog and I have every right to complain about it, as you have every right to unfollow me and ignore my posts and leave us both be :)

[finallygotitfigured]

they pulled this same shit in ouat fandom. same people. their hypocrisy tune never changes. same mental gymnastics, different show, different ship, different fandom.

yawn.

kara when she’s in love with a man: she is WEAK! she doesn’t need a MAN! he called her out on her hypocrisy? ABUSE! he said that she was his weakness? TOXIC! he ignored her orders and saved her life? CONTROLLING! he lied to protect himself? MANIPULATIVE! he’s white? RACISM! supergirl hates WOMEN!

kara when she’s *supposedly* in love with a woman: YES! girl POWER! FEMINISM! she NEEDS lena to SURVIVE! she’s being tortured mentally/emotionally and physically? that’s LOVE! they keep secrets and lie to each other? it’s because they’re IN LOVE! both women are so far canonically hetero? HOMOPHOBIC! you don’t want kara to be with her abuser? WOW you HATE GAYS and you HATE WOMEN!