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bearsinpotatosacks Ā· 4 months ago
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Mentally planned out an entire scene where Richie and Syd get drunk and talk about their type of guy. Syd realises she likes pathetic guys. There was a guy in the CIA who went to her for help and they ended up becoming a thing for about a year before it petered out, and then mentions Richie (if this is a Sydrichie thing). Richie mentions how he likes hairy guys, and not these stick thin gym rats who are all shiny and vapid like a ken doll. He wants some grit, a beard, a bad mouth, a guy who's willing to be a little rough, who's broad enough to give him something to grip. Syd says that sounds like Mikey (if this is normal canon then she gets it from photos and descriptions, but this is also goes with my Mikey lives AU)
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jessmalia Ā· 5 months ago
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Dear Bonnie, Iā€™m a coward. I should be saying this to your face, not writing this letter, but I know if I do youā€™ll talk me out of running away from all my problems. Youā€™re gonna make me face a future without Elena and youā€™re gonna help make me the best man I could possibly be, the same way she did. And Iā€™m absolutely terrified of failing you both. So, Iā€™m leaving. Because Iā€™d rather let you down once, than let you down for the rest of your life. And I hope itā€™s the happiest life. Because you, Bonnie Bennett, are an amazing woman, a mediocre crossword puzzle player and my best friend.Ā 
With great love and respect, Damon.
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sincerely-sofie Ā· 1 month ago
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Itā€™s Narilamb fankid hours.
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muffinlance Ā· 8 months ago
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Read "Suki, Alone". Liked it in general. But can they please, please hire someone who knows both the show's actual events and how to follow through on a character arc? Because guys. Guys. That comic is not implying about Suki what they meant it to be implying, and all because of literally one line.
So like. From a writer's standpoint:
What they meant to do: show Suki as a community-oriented person who cares for her people, and believes in everyone succeeding together.
As opposed to (spoilers): the thief girl they set her up in contrast with, who's pretty upfront and consistent on primarily looking out for herself. She betrays Suki for one (1) corn chip to improve her own life at the prison, no surprise.
But the problem is: they give Suki an inspirational line to the effect of "we're all working together and we'll all break out together"
You know
The thing she does not do in the show
So if both the show and this comic are canon, then instead of setting up a compare/contrast with the thief girl, they've just set up a comparison. One were Suki is arguably worse, because she's been leading a significant number of prisoners on with her "we'll all fight and win our freedom together!" business, only to straight up cut them out of the escape loop and abandon them, whereas the thief is only leading Suki on in the sense that Suki keeps telling her what it's morally correct to think and confuses snide replies with agreement
My dudes. My fellow writers. You people actually being paid for this. There were so many ways to fix those awful implications against our girl's character, the simplest of which would be to not include that line. Or they could have, you know, made it canon compliant with what actually happens in the show, so that this comic doesn't set Suki up as a betrayer instead of a community builder. Like... just send all her good prison buddies off to other prisons in the wake of the warden finding out they're colluding. Have it timed to be right before the next new prisoners arrive, thus setting it immediately before the Boiling Rock episodes, so Suki didn't have anyone left in the prison she'd want to take with her on a breakout. For bonus points, include a page or two of her and her Kyoshi warriors opening up the cell of one of her prison friends post-war, thus implying she's tracking down and actually fulfilling her promises. Maybe even show her doing the same with thief girl, who was established as being imprisoned on false charges anyway, and also showing that Suki is A) the bigger person, and B) willing to acknowledge her own role in mistakes (because I cannot emphasize enough how much thief girl was not hiding her own priorities, and it was Suki who approached HER with all this, not the girl ever doing anything special to weasel her way in) (this would also open up an opportunity for paralleling Suki's earlier in-comic mistake of not listening to one of her friend's very valid thoughts and feeling, which lead to the girl leaving their island alone pre-canon; a "seeing people as they are, not what you want them to be" moment)
Anyway yeah enjoyable enough for a quick read but another one for the "this can't be canon or the characters are So Much Worse than they were in the actual show" pile
At least Aang didn't promise to murder anyone in this one
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eats-a-berry Ā· 9 months ago
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rarepair on side, rarepair on side!
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hamletshoeratio Ā· 7 months ago
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Apparently, Eloise is a mean girl and is not a girls' girl???
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#bridgerton netflix#bridgerton spoilers#bridgerton#eloise bridgerton#pro eloise bridgerton#95% of the female friendship content this season is because of Eloise#the other 5% is because of Lady Danbury with Violet & QC#She knows Francesca hates being the centre of attention#so she makes a plan to try to ensure that she won't be.#she apologies to pen for accidentally revealing colin helping her find a match#she kept pens secret which makes her a far better person than me ngl because i would've done a i wanna watch the world burn esqe performanc#she befriended cressida and is actively helping her recognise her past wrongs to become a better person#DO Y'ALL JUST IGNORE THE ARC HER & DAPHNE HAD IN S1?#some of you pretend she didn't grow at all over the course of that season#they're different people with different ambitions but who love each other and who came to respect the others' goals#also do yas just ignore the fact that eloises fears stem from her mother nearly dying in childbirth right after her father's death?#she was the first of the Bridgertons to bond with Kate!#daphne was the first to clock Kate & Anthony but Eloise was the first to get close to Kate as a person not as her brother's future wife#defended Marina#wanted to find LW to defend Pen but well you know LW is Pen so -\Ā°-Ā°/-#wanted to uplift women in general and wanted to change society in order to do so#this is so chaotically tagged sorry to whoever read this far#in short#Eloise bridgerton they could never make me hate you
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aroaceleovaldez Ā· 5 months ago
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i would like to say my ideal PJO adaptation (if i was being physically forced against my will to have to pick a live action adaptation over an animated one for some reason) would be a combo like writing of the musical + casting of the show + visuals of the movies
BUT the show actually does have the playwright for the musical as one of the major writers for like three episodes and that did nothing for it. so...
#pjo#riordanverse#pjo tv crit#i do love the casting for the musical lots and lots though#it was really good#i do also have some nitpicks for show casting but they're largely inconsequential#like majority i very much enjoy and think are cast well#i only have one i'd say im actually disappointed with and that's Poseidon. idk he just feels. bland??? does that make sense?#like idk maybe it's the costuming but im not getting Sea God *or* Fishing Dad from him#like i think i kinda see what they were going for and i saw some gifs of him in another show where he plays a pirate and its like#okay. *little* bit better. but idk im just not getting Poseidon from it#in general most of the immortals in the show dont feel very Immortal(tm) but thats definitely mostly just the writing/show itself#not any reflection of the casting#my only other two are i would have liked plus sized Clarisse. i am VERY sad we didnt get that#Dior is a VERY good Clarisse though so i'm not too upset about it. i like her Clarisse energy. the yelling is fantastic.#my most controversial pjo tv take is im still meh on Walker. like he's fine. but like he's kind of Just Fine to me so far#its probably mostly the writing being bad but he hasnt grown on me as Percy yet. i can tell he has the energy though in interviews n stuff#and the main trio dynamic in interviews and stuff is *very* good. i just wish the show writing was better#because the casting IS very good but they have so little to work with. you can really tell theyre trying their best#i like to joke the show would be better if they just set the cast loose in the woods doing in-character improv#like its clear basically all of them know their characters SUPER well. id watch 8 episodes of in the woods pjo cosplay improv.
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bonefall Ā· 9 months ago
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My birthday was a couple days ago, and I got to see my bio dad for the first time in a while. He surprised me with the fact that I have a little half-sister, whom I've never met and who was adopted about two years back. So, I wondered if any situations in BB mimic this or have a theme of "secret siblings" or "secret family"? Sorry if this is a weird ask; this blog is honestly just such a cool little place and I love the way you approach the subject matter and take the flawed misogynistic foundation of the WC books and make them so much better (JUSTICE FOR BUMBLE!!!). I've also learned a lot about healthy and unhealthy relationships here and am really glad for your deep dives on Squilf and Bramble. Thanks, Bones!
Not weird at all! I really like exploring all the little nooks and crannies of complicated familial dynamics. I think one of the untapped strengths of WC (that the writers seem to be unaware of) is how their MASSIVE cast allows them to present all sorts of unique dynamics. So I like to pick up on it, since they don't.
For secret siblings...
I'm pretty heavily leaning towards Ambermoon being adopted by Wildfur, as a surrogacy. Something feels correct about it. Especially since Icecloud is getting retooled into a post-Battle of the True Eclipse birth, and a major supporting character in AVoS-era stories as a friend of Alderheart.
Thinking about it, I should zoom in and expand this. Maybe have Icecloud, somehow, acquire forbidden knowledge that would invalidate the Queenā€™s Rights and he (transman) struggles with if he's going to use it to expose his parents as an excuse to help Ambermoon.
(Especially since Ambermoon and Icecloud are basically nothing alike. Amber is independent, bold, and vain. Ice is jessie pinkman big-hearted, disorganized, and deceptively meek if you look past his "chill" demeanor)
But that's wip-- there's also Breezepelt and the Three, who are going to have an actual friendship. In particular I can't unsee Breeze and Lion having a deep one. I know I commit the Cardinal Sin of borderline himbo-ifying Lionblaze in BB, but I can't help it.
Hollyleaf ended up nabbing a bunch of his most violent roles to make her villainous descent smoother narratively, so BB!Lionblaze's story ends up being more focused on Ashfur's abuse, comic relief with cats in other Clans (something that the very serious Jay and Holly have a hard time providing), and the emotional fallout of the big reveal and Bramblestar's turn on them. Breezepelt slots neatly into that.
They were friends. Lionblaze's whole life came down around the reveal, everyone looking at him and his siblings differently, like they're suddenly something terrible. Why can't we find a silver lining, Breezepelt? Why can't we call ourselves brothers if the whole world is going to do it anyway? So much is changing, but THIS doesn't have to, we will take their weapon and turn it to armor, my ally, my friend, my brother.
(and when Breezepelt is lashing out at the three because of the Dark Forest's influence, Lionblaze is there, taking the blows and trying not to give in to the impulse to send him flying with a single paw)
There's also Harespring and Kestrelflight of WindClan and Owlclaw of ShadowClan. All of them are from a single litter between Whitewater and Mudclaw. She was going to raise the three of them alone as ShadowClan cats, but when the sire was smote, Whitewater felt they were cursed.
She was able to give the oldest two to their bio-uncle, Torear, but the weather was so bad that day and the runt was so sickly and small that it surely would have killed him. I don't think Owlclaw ever finds out why his mother always treated him with suspicion, but it did mess him up horribly.
Over in BB!DOTC, Thunder Storm is getting more half-siblings earlier. Clear Sky and Falling Feather had two daughters-- Pale Sky and Tiger Sky.
I want to explore the way that the various stages of Clear Sky's life acted on his kids. How any little curiosity Thunder Storm had about the life he might have had if he wasn't abandoned is crushed by seeing kittens who weren't. How Clear's favoritism of his oldest child set the trio against each other from the start. How this idea of "love" is toxic yet intoxicating.
It feels good to be the golden child. The power it gives you over his sycophants is satisfying. To know you, and you alone, have what someone else craves. Problem is, that's conditional, and it's cruel.
What Thunder Storm learns from his time with his biodad is that Clear Sky is not his father at all. He's taught him exactly what he DOESN'T want to be. There may be similarities-- in temperament, in physical prowess (though BB!Thunder is three-legged, he's still ripped), in taste and senses. But Thunder Storm's father is Shaded Flower.
(BB!Gray Wing died in the first book, rescuing Shaded Flower from being trampled by a horse. Xey're a patron of wisdom, Shaded Moss is taking the role of fatherhood to Thunder)
His sister is Rainswept Flower. His mom is Bright Storm. If there was a bond he could have had with Tiger Sky and Pale Sky, it dies simply and cruelly on the knife they used to cut each other out.
Pale might have wanted to mend it, she was the gentler one. But she dies in the First Battle along with her mother. Tiger Sky is too stubborn to accept any help, should Thunderstar offer it, and Thunderstar isn't in the business of begging for others to like him.
Naturally I'm lowkey obsessed with them lmao. I need to make a BB!DOTC overviewww
#I have a perspective on half siblings colored by a dynamic in my family#The generation above me has two siblings who had an awful biodad and an amazing stepdad (who did officially adopt them)#And there was nothing ''natural'' or good about how one of them was obsessed with their biodad.#It was influenced by his surroundings and did nothing but drag an incredibly toxic man back into his sister's life#Over and over#But anyway the son used to tell me ''theres no half in siblings''#The daughter adored her halfbrother through the mother who raised them-- but was adamant that her biodad's newer kids were nothing to her#I guess I agree with the son. But not in the way he believes it#There's no half in siblings because you either Are. Or you are Not.#You have a shared experience with having that person as a parent or you don't. And that's what's unchanging.#It's not the blood; it's the sweat and tears. But anyhoo#Personal details of my life aside#Tiger Sky and Pale Sky are Clear's Dead Angel Fetus Children in-canon. I think that was Weird.#So instead I made them. Not. Dead angel fetus children....#They're characters now lmaoo#Better bones au#I think Tiger Sky (i call her Tigs in my head a lot) is one of my favorite kit saves ever though#She's not going to be from the last litter either. I haven't picked who the mom is yet but he does have even more#At least one of those is going to make a grab at power but um. Sparrow Heart will not react Well.#BASICALLY lads I'm cooking. My revamps of the DOTC characters basically write themselves because I am very fond of them.#Clear's youngest: ''OH I JUST CANT WAIT TO BE KI-"#Sparrowstar: ''-lled.''
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dawnssummers Ā· 2 years ago
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mkstrigidae Ā· 8 months ago
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APWH preview snippet!
Since I'm actively trying to work on getting the next few chapters out, I thought I'd share a little future scene with some hints of Jonsa with all you lovely people! This bit is from like, a few chapters in the future bc it's the in-between that's giving me fits right now :) (Fair warning: this is unedited and subject to change! That being said, it's such a fun scene that I can't imagine ever nixing it :D)
ā€œDoes he even know that they have to avoid the press?ā€
ā€œFor the last time-ā€œ Sam sighed, sounding completely exasperated, ā€œDickon knows what they can and canā€™t do- heā€™s got enough practice not being photographed from when our dad was the secretary. Not to mention spending time around you when that exposĆ© on your crazy grandfather came out two years ago.ā€
ā€œI just-ā€œ Jon sighed, blowing a stray curl out of his face. ā€œYou didnā€™t see how freaked out she was when the press caught us at that performance in White Harbor. I thought she was going to have a full-blown panic attack.ā€
He was immediately derailed by Gilly plopping little Sam down in his lap and shoving a bottle into his hands.
ā€œWhatā€™s this all about?ā€ he raised a brow, adjusting the baby on his lap, allowing him to latch onto the cuff of his flannel shirt and start gnawing at the fabric. ā€œYou going somewhere?ā€
Gilly shot him a withering look, but he saw the amusement in her eyes.
ā€œI-ā€œ she gestured, imperiously, ā€œHave not had time by myself to shower all week-ā€œ
ā€œSorry, love.ā€ Sam winced, looking up from his pile of paperwork. ā€œI can take a break from these-ā€œ
ā€œNot your fault, Sam.ā€ she waved him off. ā€œYou warned me about this conference at the beginning of the summer.ā€ a grin played at the corners of her mouth. ā€œBesides, it works out well- Jon needs a distraction right now from the fact that Sansaā€™s on a date with your extremely hot and conventionally attractive brother.ā€
ā€œHey!ā€ Sam looked wounded, and Gilly rolled her eyes, pressing a kiss to his forehead.
ā€œYou know youā€™re my favorite Tarly.ā€ she wrinkled her nose. ā€œHow long have you been working on this presentation? You smell like the baby spit up on you.ā€
ā€œGuess Iā€™m next in line for showers.ā€ Sam said, mournfully. ā€œUnless-ā€œ
ā€œNope- I need my own time right now, Samwell. Did you even hear what I said about why Jonā€™s bent out of shape?ā€
Jon had known Gilly since Sam and she had met up north while the two of them were in college. Sometimes, it was hard to reconcile the timid, scared girl she had been with the woman who was currently devoting all of her remaining energy to busting his balls.
ā€œDonā€™t tell me youā€™re worried about Sansa with my brother.ā€ Sam snorted, shotgunning another cup of coffee next to him the way Jon was used to seeing undergrads do with jaeger shots. ā€œI mean, this is Dickon weā€™re talking about. Used to bring wounded animals home to take care of them Dickon? The same guy who cried when we had movie night and Gilly and Rhae wanted to go see ā€˜Love, Simonā€™?ā€ He shook his head. ā€œLook, as far as guys she could be out on a date with right now go, Dickonā€™s kind of the best case scenario. Sheā€™ll have a nice time, and heā€™ll be a perfect gentleman.ā€
Jon blinked at him, silently turning to look up at Gilly, who rolled her eyes and sighed.
ā€œYouā€™re hopeless, sweetie.ā€ she kissed him on the forehead again, wrinkling her nose. ā€œHeā€™s not worried that things will go wrong- heā€™s worried theyā€™ll go a little too well.ā€
ā€œYouā€™ve been spending way too much time around my sister.ā€ Jon muttered, narrowly avoiding little Samā€™s grasping reach for his glasses, managing to get the baby to latch onto the bottle before he destroyed any more of Jonā€™s eyewear. ā€œYou even sounded like her just then.ā€
Sam blinked for a second, his head whipping between Jon and Gilly.ā€œYouā€™re jealous?ā€ He asked, incredulously. ā€œOf Dickon? Wait- you like Sansa?ā€
ā€œGot there in the end.ā€ Gilly sighed, affectionately patting him on the shoulder before going to shower, leaving Jon and Sam behind with four cups of coffee, one baby, and approximately five brain cells total between the two of them.
ā€œYou like her.ā€ Sam repeated, like it was a giant revelation.
ā€œWhat are we- in middle school?ā€ Jon hissed, immediately turning his head down to smile and make faces at little Sam while he fed him, before glaring up at big Sam again. ā€œI donā€™t- I mean-ā€œ
Sam was just shaking his head.ā€œOf course you do.ā€ he laughed. ā€œShould have guessed- red hair and a damsel in distress? You were doomed from the outset.ā€
ā€œShut up.ā€ Jon muttered, flushing. ā€œItā€™s not like that.ā€
ā€œThen why are you worrying about Dickon for fu-ā€œ Sam glanced nervously at the baby, ā€œ-godā€™s sake? When Gill was meeting my family for the first time, I remember you told her not to worry- that my brother was ā€˜one of the best guys you knowā€™ and ā€˜practically a golden retrieverā€™.ā€
Jon could tell that Sam, who could not raise one eyebrow without the other, was desperately trying to do just that.
ā€œI donā€™t know.ā€ He muttered, moving little Sam to his shoulder to start burping him. ā€œLook- Iā€™m attracted to her, alright? Itā€™s a fu- er, a giant disaster that Iā€™m gonna ignore for the rest of my life.ā€
ā€œSeriously?ā€
ā€œStop trying to do that with your eyebrows.ā€ Jon complained. ā€œItā€™s giving me motion sickness. And yes, seriously. Iā€™m not even going to consider that- itā€™s just a stupid crush. Besides,ā€ he sighed, rubbing little Samā€™s back comfortingly, ā€œRobbā€™s already dealing with enough right now with this whole Sansa situation- canā€™t imagine telling him I think his sisterā€™s attractive while heā€™s being forced to suddenly confront all of his guilt and self loathing every time he looks at her.ā€
ā€œThat whole bro code thing of never dating your friendā€™s sisters never really made sense to me.ā€ Sam shook his head, gulping down more coffee. ā€œI mean, Iā€™d be thrilled if you decided to date Talla, because I know youā€™d be good to her.ā€
ā€œYeah, don't think she'd quite go for that, mate.ā€ Jon snorted, standing to bounce little Sam around gently. He was just grateful Sam hadnā€™t said anything else about Robb.
ā€œEh, wouldnā€™t count you out completely.ā€ Sam shrugged, smirking. ā€œWith that hair, youā€™re pretty enough to be a girl- maybe thatā€™d be enough for her.ā€
ā€œYou are so lucky iā€™m holding the baby.ā€ Jon muttered, still bouncing little Sam, who picked that moment to spit up spectacularly down Jonā€™s back.
ā€œWell, thatā€™s three of us whoā€™re gonna need showers now.ā€ Sam grinned, looking thrilled as all get out that it hadnā€™t been him. ā€œWow- his aim is getting better.ā€
ā€œIā€™m going to remind him of this when heā€™s a sulky teenager.ā€ Jon grumbled, wiping spit-up off his shoulder as best he could. ā€œLook- no gossiping with Rhae about this, please. She thinks sheā€™s such a good clandestine agent that she doesnā€™t always realize that Robb is better at sniffing out her plots than she thinks.ā€
ā€œAlright-ā€œ Sam sighed, looking back down at the massive stack of paperwork in front of him. ā€œI make no promises for Gill, though.ā€
ā€œGilly could give some of my Uncleā€™s colleagues at the WIA a run for their money when it comes to withstanding interrogation.ā€ Jon snorted.
ā€œProbably true.ā€
ā€œWhere did your brother take Sansa?ā€ Still holding onto a now much happier baby with one hand, he reached down the other to take a gulp of his own coffee.
ā€œHe said something about going out towards the Tyrell Estate.ā€ Sam shrugged. ā€œThey probably drove out there to see the gardens- heā€™s said itā€™s a good road to take his bike out on.ā€
Jon promptly spat out his entire sip of coffee, staining the front of his shirt as well as the back, and frightening little Sam enough that he started to cry.
ā€œHe took her on his motorcycle?ā€
Gilly picked that moment to reappear, completely clean and with wet hair, blinking at the scene in front of her.
Sam, who couldnā€™t seem to stop laughing, was desperately trying to calm down the baby, who had started wailing, while Jonā€™s entire front was covered in coffee and his entire back was covered in baby vomit. Not that he seemed to notice, as his face was white and he was making a series of angry looking hand gestures at her husband.
ā€œI really canā€™t leave you three alone for five minutes, can I?ā€ she sighed. ā€œDo I even want to know?ā€
#my writing#my wips#writing wips#just APWH things#jonsa#fanfiction wip#God bless Gilly like for real#YES Sansa is on a date with someone else here#muscleman golden retriever McAttractiveness#Aka dickon tarly#unsurprisingly jon is not having a great time about it!#in fairness to sansa the plotline directly preceding this and kicking off her doing some traveling was pretty rough on her#so our poor girl really deserves a giant muscley golden retriever with a motorcycle#and to just have a good time with someone who isn't wrapped up in all the stark drama/disaster/mess etc.#jon can deal with it rn bc it's really a 'you snooze you lose' kind of situation#sam's usually quicker on the draw but he's very sleep deprived here#and working on some stuff for a pathology conference#not at all going to be relevant nope no sir#writing sam and jon interacting vs jon and robb is so fascinating#they're both jon's besties but there's a very different dynamic to the two relationships#in fairness Robb has like SO much complex childhood trauma and is kind of seriously going through it right now#but his scenes with jon always have this sort of darker edge to them#like an 'i've known you my entire life and know everything about you for better or worse' type deal- deeper but darker#it's more akin to a sibling relationship? but also not? they are both going thru it#my headcanon is that anytime jon starts getting too gloomy and angsty gilly just straight up shoves the baby at him#and then waits like twenty minutes#Gilly: 'it's free babysitting!'#generally it works pretty well#jon's like '404 error does not compute' as soon as sam says the word 'motorcycle'#also when sam says 'the secretary' he means randyll tarly was the secretary of defense
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kiadanta Ā· 8 months ago
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Kia is staying with my partner while I'm abroad on holiday and she's not best pleased, poor baby. She's safe, she's well cared for, she's with someone she knows and likes, and she's getting attention, she's just,,, in a weird place without me, and not really impressed about it.
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She's starting to chill out and settle in though! Slowly.
Ft @rinnaden
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batsplat Ā· 6 months ago
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letā€™s be shallow and objectifying, whoā€™s the most handsome/attractive motogp rider, current grid and from the past, in your opinion??
so, an important caveat here is. I am a lesbian. obviously that means I'm the best-placed to give an accurate assessment on these matters and in many ways am the definitive authority... but there is perhaps a little bit of a tendency to just rate blokes highly if they meet the 'if you squinted could you trick yourself into thinking they were a woman' criterion. also not to get into the ins and outs of how sexuality works too much, but it does become more about persona for me when you've not got the same instant physical attraction? like how much are you into how they behave, into the vibes, into the complete package...
all of this obviously means that valentino automatically has a leg up as certified evil lesbian. everybody knows about the 125cc dyke years, but honestly if I squint I can still see it for much of his career (which btw is why personally the least attractive I think I've ever found him aren't any of the haircuts that everyone hates but his 2002 where he looked like 'just some guy'). shout out to his early yamaha years, definitely could pass as a lesbian. also even when he's got the sideburns I can dirtbag lesbo him in my head. without getting too much into valentino hairstyle rankings, I do also actually like his shaved head eras, it's very lean and mean. very butch realness, if you will. he's in the mancrush territory for me like he is actually quite hot
other retired riders... there's like a very specific time period where casey looks quite nice, in his early ducati years where he's wide eyed and surly and has a good camera smile but is also kinda grumpy a lot of the time. not necessarily attractive but sort of like a doe? skittish. like you kinda want to pat him on the shoulder and tell him to chill out? I think his face is quite nice to look at, but it kinda fades when he goes to honda and falls prey to 'just some guy' syndrome. he looks quite nice post retirement though, *gestures vaguely* rugged but in a nice way. I'm struggling to think of a single other retired rider I find attractive... chris vermeulen in the suzuki leathers looked kinda appealing actually. pre-valentino the sport really was 'just some guy' all the way unfortunately... maybe crivi deserves a shout out
from the current grid... uh. there's some guys I know are objectively attractive but also do nothing for me 99% of the time. marc does sometimes fall into this category unfortunately, like he's got a very compelling face but it's also too perfect? he does more for me these days!! a few more lines, bags under the eyes and all that... back in the day he did just look too much like a cross between a barbie doll and a literal toddler. I WILL SAY he's deeply attractive specifically at misano 2019 when he's got that massive grin while being booed (jerez 2005 important sister moment where valentino looks fantastic too). in general, every time he looks a bit psychotic I go 'yeah I get it' I think? like the motogp unlimited moment where joan is kinda terrified of him and marc looks like he's trying to figure out whether he can muster the energy to eat him, that really makes me go 'OH yeah now I understand'. luca I think is also clearly good looking, but again just a bit too much, he's very ooh look I'm a walking sculpture, good for him and all but also too much. I don't think pecco is attractive, but also his sister clearly does just look like the female version of him and she's INCREDIBLY hot, 12/10 girl call me, so I guess pecco probably is too? might do more for me if he got rid of the facial hair, but he does look quite... idk, soft, like I'd pat him on the head. aleix has a very firm jaw, he can definitely get it. also could be a lesbian without too little adjustment. not that this is the metric, but just saying! uh... fabio looks quite nice? when he had the bisexual leathers earlier this season he moved me, also he's got a nice voice. vinales occasionally has his moments, but it really depends on what he's doing with his hair and facial hair situation at any given time. um. that's it
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fideidefenswhore Ā· 1 month ago
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Was the young Henry VIII a very friendly and gentle person?
Assuming you mean on a personal level (since, obviously...ordering executions is not especially 'gentle'), that seems to be the general judgement. There's not actually much variation from it from 1509-20s, foreign observers extol his gentleness and generosity and piety throughout the early 1530s, their only specific criticism there is that he's enthralled with a woman of 'bad character' (shorthand for 'low birth').
'the kindest of princes' (Cranmer, 1526) ā€˜a man of gentle friendliness, and gentle in debate; he acts more like a companion than a kingā€™ (Erasmus, 1529) 'affable and gracious, harmed no one' (Venetian ambassador, 1519) 'He is kind and affable, full of graciousness and courtesy, and liberal; particularly so to men of science (virtuosi) whom he is never weary of obliging.' (Venetian ambassador, 1531)
There's some interesting post-contemporary observations on this matter, too (that have to be considered more doubtful since they're more influenced by hindsight and sometimes, by partisanship); such as:
"her Majesty's father, though otherwise the most gentle and affable prince in the world, could not abide to have any man stare in his face; or to fix his eye too steadily upon him when he talked with them".
And while I won't arm-chair, body-language 'science', pop psych-analyze that one (search results yield that specific source quote to 'narcissism' discussion), since it's neuroableist particularly to suggest an inability to maintain eye contact is indicative of innate deceit/dishonesty ...it is an interesting observation, considering how long he was in the public eye.
'Otherwise' gentle and affable is what's interesting about this remark, really, because are gentleness and friendliness mutually exclusive with a certain self-consciousness? I don't think so, and I wonder if this manifested particularly once he got to the point in a public ceremony/spectacle where he became overwhelmed by the attention and scrutiny, it is not typically how he's thought of but it's such a specific observation connected (but 'contrasting') those specific traits you asked of, I thought it was worth mentioning.
Mantel touched on this,
ā€˜The burden of kingship,ā€™ he says, ā€˜no man can imagine it. All my life, to be a prince: to be observed to be a prince; all eyes to be set on me; to be an exemplar of virtue, of discretion, of excellence in learning; to have a mind young and vigorous yet as wise as Solomon; to take pleasure in what others have designed for my pleasure, or be thought ungrateful; to discipline all my appetites, to unmake myself as a man in order to make myself as a king; to waste not a minute lest I be seen to waste it; for idleness, no excuses; always alert to prove, always to show, that I am worthy of the place God appointed me ā€¦ When I was a young man I suppose I showed the calf of my leg to an ambassador and said, ā€œThere, has your French king a calf as good as that?ā€ And my words were reported, and all Europe laughed at me, a vain idle boy, and no doubt people laugh still. But being young I asked myself, if God had formed FranƧois better than me, which prince did He favour most?ā€™
And I also thought Mantel touched on this (although I can't find it in my highlights atm, so maybe I'm misremembering); I distinctly remember this scene...where somebody is recalling, as Duke of York, Henry was placed on a pony or horse when he's only two or three years old, and this is really his first public appearance, and he's reported to have acquitted himself well, to have been charming and gracious and graceful, even then...but even then, there was always this dark spectre. The timing of his ennoblement as Duke of York was chosen with purpose, it was in the shadow of a pretender. Was there a sense of unease, even then, that he couldn't articulate until later: that behind every smile, could be a knife?
'[Henry VII]'s children grew up in a world of threats, intrigue, and paranoia', '[Prince Henry]'s earliest years were as emotionally insecure as his father's reign was politically uncertain', '"he is so subjugated that he does not speak a word except in response to what the king asks him"'; again, the latter does not match the gregarious (perhaps even, more self-fashioned than natural) personality he's recorded as having as an adult.
The possibility that he oscillated between two opposite settings, and adapted accordingly, back to back (relative isolation and circumspection, to complete immersion in public celebration and celebrity and grandiose openness/friendliness); could account for the contradiction of an "affable" young man that gradually became uncomfortable with the level of scrutiny to which he was held, and maybe even modulated his habit and outward persona to fit what was expected of a king.
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panharmonium Ā· 1 year ago
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Hi! I love your Naruto thoughts and meta posts with all my heart and I want to ask your thoughts on something that has been on my mind literally since I was 13: what do you think about the relationship between Sasuke and Sakura? I went from being a hardcore shipper when I was a teenager, to being against any romantic relationship in Naruto after finishing the anime when I was in my early twenties. Nowadays I'm very into platonic love and depictions of friendship and I think the anime's obsession with forcing the "romantic interest" curse upon the main female character robbed us of... so much. There are a few wonderful moments in the anime where Sasuke and Sakura acknowledge each other, but because she's always "the girl with the crush", her actions are so often interpret as irrational or selfish by the fandom.
Hi @riemmetric!Ā  It's great to talk to you again! Sorry it's taken me so long to answer this; RL has been making demands of me lately and it took me way longer to finish writing this up than I wanted it to (then again, I knew from the minute I read your original ask that my reply was going to get long, so I suppose I should have predicted a delay XD)
It's funny, my sister once asked me to choose between Sasuke or Sakura for an ā€œunpopular opinionā€ meme, and I ended up doing Sasuke solely because I think the negative fandom opinions about Sakura are so unhinged and divorced from the actual text that I wouldnā€™t even know where to start.Ā  People are entitled to dislike whatever characters they want, obviously, but there are some fandom takes that are, for me, so obviously rooted in bad faith viewings/readings that thereā€™s no urge in me to discuss them.Ā  That said, since you asked, Iā€™m happy to go into my own thoughts on this a bit, with the disclaimer for other potential readers that I only write about fandom things for my own personal enjoyment, not as a contribution to The Discourse. If you donā€™t like Sakura, great!Ā  I have no interest in changing your mind. Please consider this a sincere invitation to scroll on by and go enjoy whatever parts of the fandom appeal to you.
In general terms: I love Sasuke and Sakuraā€™s relationship as much as I love all of the relationships in Team 7.Ā  If weā€™re talking about them specifically as a romantic couple, then I probably fall somewhere in the middle of the spectrum, because I do like them together in a post-canon (to be clear: non-Boruto) setting, after time has passed and theyā€™ve continued to develop individually and reconnect with each other, but I also wouldnā€™t exactly call myself an intense ā€œshipper,ā€ in the sense that I have no interest in pulling things out from the text and incorrectly citing them as evidence that Sasuke has hidden romantic feelings for her during the canon period. He cares about her in the canon period, just like he cares about Naruto and Kakashi.Ā  Thatā€™s not up for interpretation; itā€™s the text.Ā  But Sasuke during the canon time period does not demonstrate specifically romantic interest in anyone.Ā Ā 
[A note before people who might ship Sasuke with Someone Else emerge to rail against this statement - please just scroll past and continue enjoying fandom in whatever way is most fun for you. It is cool to ship whatever fanon thing you want; I think thatā€™s great!Ā  But earnestly citing any loving or emotional thing Sasuke does re: various characters in this story (yes, Sakura included) as indicative of specifically romantic love isnā€™t supported by the text. I know there are always going to be enormous subsets of any fandom who insist that it is, and I'm certainly not going to barge into anyone else's space to complain about that (because other people having fun together is harmless and none of my business), but I'm not obligated to indulge it on my own blog, either.]
Anyway, that said - the reason why I love Sakura and Sasukeā€™s relationship (from here on out Iā€™ll use ā€œrelationshipā€ in a general, non-romantic sense) is precisely because Sakura isnā€™t just ā€œthe girl with the crush.ā€ Sakura has an arc when it comes to Sasuke, and its trajectory moves in the exact opposite direction of ā€œirrationalā€ or ā€œselfish.ā€Ā  She specifically goes from ā€œthe girl with the crushā€ to ā€œthe girl who steels herself and tries to put her personal feelings for Sasuke aside for the greater goodā€ to ā€œthe girl who knows she canā€™t put her feelings aside, but who also knows full well that Sasuke doesnā€™t reciprocate them, and who still wants to save him regardless, because he matters to her as a person and a friend.ā€
[I'm putting the rest of this under a cut to save everyone's dash, and also to emphasize once again that this is a personal post on my personal blog which I wrote in response to a question from a personal acquaintance, the full content of which no one is obligated to read. I am not sending this post to random strangers and forcing them to look at it. I'm not even putting it in the character tags. I'm typing it up on my own blog and putting it under a cut. If you already know that you don't like Sakura, but you still click the link/read the post and then feel an urge to comment and complain, I am going to copy-paste this disclaimer and remind you that I specifically recommended that you scroll past and go have fun with fandom in your own way. Thanks in advance for responsibly curating your own fandom experience!]
So, from the top:
1. the girl with the crush
Sakura is, obviously, completely obsessed with Sasuke at the beginning of Part 1.Ā  Sheā€™s also deeply clueless about him and his history (bizarre though it is, the story seems to indicate that she initially doesnā€™t know what happened with his family, the same way young!Obito is initially clueless about Kakashiā€™s father).Ā  But what I like about Sakura and Sasukeā€™s Part 1 relationship is how this changes over time.
The critical scene that kicks this off happens right at the beginning of the manga, when she and Sasuke are talking by that bench - she complains about Naruto and blames his behavior on him being all alone/having no family to scold him; and even says sheā€™s jealous that he doesnā€™t have parents to nag him all the time.Ā  This obviously triggers an outburst from Sasuke, who tells her she has no idea what loneliness means and that she ā€œmakes him sickā€/sheā€™s ā€œannoyingā€ (importantly, the exact same thing Sakura said to Naruto in anger earlier that day), which in turn prompts Sakura to reassess herself and wonder whether sheā€™s been making Naruto feel this terrible all the time, too:
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From that point on, itā€™s a process of her putting little pieces together.Ā  She still has a MAJOR crush, and she still acts like a twelve year-old, but as we approach the end of Part I, Sakura actually has a more accurate grasp on Sasukeā€™s current state of mind than Naruto does.Ā  Naruto is initially excited to fight Sasuke on top of the hospital, because he feels like Sasukeā€™s finally acknowledging him, whereas Sakura is the one who immediately recognizes that something is wrong about this situation.Ā  She is also the one who, after this fight, is concerned that Sasuke is really unwell and might do something drastic like run off in pursuit of the power Orochimaru promised him, but when she communicates this to Naruto, he assures her that this would NEVER happen:
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(Sakura isn't convinced, though, because she goes to monitor the exit out of the village anyway.)
Iā€™m not criticizing Naruto for his response here.Ā  I ADORE hearing him say that Sasuke is too strong to need Orochimaru, with such perfect confidence - I love seeing how much respect and admiration he has for Sasuke underneath all their fighting, because thatā€™s the whole reason heā€™s always baiting Sasuke and yelling at him and claiming ā€œyou're not so great!ā€ He looks up to Sasuke; he wants to be like Sasuke; he thinks Sasuke is awesome! (Itā€™s that Obito @ Kakashi behavior, you know?) But the fact remains that he is clueless about whatā€™s actually going on with Sasuke in Part 1, and he remains clueless(ly optimistic) for a long time.Ā Ā 
(Eg, when he catches up to Sasuke during the retrieval arc and Sasuke climbs out of that cursed seal coffin, Naruto waves at him and calls "Come on, let's go!" as if Sasuke has been successfully rescued and is now going to come running home.Ā  Even in Part II, when Naruto hears that Sasuke killed Orochimaru, he beams and immediately says, ā€œSo he must be on his way back to the Leaf Village!ā€Ā  And everyone else in the room is like, ā€œ....,ā€ because they know better.Ā  Naruto doesnā€™t yet fully understand [or doesn't want to accept] the extent to which Sasuke has willingly chosen this path, and itā€™s not until after Jiraiyaā€™s death/the Pain attack/the Five Kage Summit that Naruto really starts to understand Sasuke more clearly, which is something he himself admits.)
Sakura, in Part 1, has access to more information about Sasuke - sheā€™s there for his first dissociative monologue during the bells test, sheā€™s there for the curse markā€™s placement, sheā€™s there for his first violent transformation in the Forest of Death - she is, in fact, the unwitting catalyst for it (ā€œSakuraā€¦who did this to you?ā€), and her compassion is the reason Sasuke is later able to overcome the curse markā€™s influence - so she has a more accurate/complete picture of ā€œhow heā€™s doing,ā€ for lack of a better phrase, whereas Naruto, who doesnā€™t know about the curse mark in the first place, is still in the dark.Ā  This means that Sakura is able to accurately discern that Sasuke is struggling more than Naruto realizes, and specifically to predict that heā€™s going to run away.Ā Ā 
(This dynamic is then interestingly flipped in the back half of Part II, since at any point after the Five Kage Summit, Sakura doesnā€™t have access to extremely relevant [if currently questionable and unproven] details that would in any other circumstance inform her behavior).
Of course, just because she has more info in Part 1 doesnā€™t mean she has some kind of miraculous insight into Sasukeā€™s every thought and feeling.Ā  There are parts of her attempt to convince Sasuke to stay in the village that are as clueless as any of Narutoā€™s assumptions, and they showcase the kind of magical thinking common to childhood - like when she says that if he stayed with her, she could give him happiness, sheā€™d do anything for him, even help him get his revenge - this idea that she herself can do something to make him feel better, that she can love him powerfully enough to defeat his pain - obviously none of that is rooted in realism.
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Is this part of her approach irrational and immature and inadvertently self-centered?Ā  Of course it is!Ā  But itā€™s no more irrational and immature and inadvertently self-centered than Narutoā€™s stated plan to drag Sasuke back to the village even if he has to ā€œbreak every bone in [his] body!ā€Ā 
Hating on Sakura for her Part 1 attempt to convince Sasuke to stay in the village while simultaneously lauding Naruto for his feels like a bad faith misread of what is, to me, pretty clear narrative intention.Ā  The story doesnā€™t at any point intend for us to see her begging him to stay as a selfish or conniving attempt to get something she wants.Ā  Sheā€™s begging him to stay for the same underlying reason that Naruto is: she cares about him.Ā  She thinks heā€™s making a mistake that will only cause him more pain in the end (sheā€™s right) and she wants to make it so he feels less pain right now (she canā€™t.Ā  But she doesnā€™t understand that/isnā€™t able to admit that, and sheā€™s willing to try ANYTHING that might help).Ā Ā 
Itā€™s critical that this farewell scene is set in front of that same bench from their first important confrontation - she references that day and how angry he got at her, and this time she tells him that she understands his reaction.Ā  Sheā€™s learned things and she recognizes how insensitive she was being back then (ā€œI know what happened to your clan, Sasukeā€), even though she still canā€™t fully grasp all the complexities of the situation. She tells him that him blowing up at her back then helped her understand what loneliness actually meant (as opposed to her previous shallow understanding of it), and she challenges him about his choice right now: "So that's it, you're choosing the lonely path?" And when she tells him that she'll be very lonely if he leaves, we're immediately shown a panel of Sasuke thinking of both his friends, with the very clear implication that if he goes through with this, he will be lonely without them, too - that he's still struggling with the idea of leaving them, no matter how hard he tries to pretend:
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Sakura at this point knows that Sasuke isnā€™t interested in her the way she is in him, but she still wants to give him happiness, however fantastical and immature her ideas sound to us (and, Iā€™m sure, to him).Ā  ā€œIā€™ll do anything, even help you get your revenge/we'll have fun every day, and...and you'll be happy! I'll make sure of it!ā€ - of course, itā€™s completely childish.Ā  Itā€™s irrational.Ā  Itā€™s ridiculous to think that any of this would ever be effective, but no more ridiculous than Narutoā€™s belief that he can simply break every bone in Sasukeā€™s body and keep him in the Leaf by force.
Both Naruto and Sakura are children who have a deeply oversimplified understanding of Sasukeā€™s situation.Ā  They both still think they can fix him themselves.Ā  They both think they can save him themselves.Ā  They both think they can convince (or force) him to do what they want, what they think is in his best interests.Ā  Both of them donā€™t yet understand that he has to want to come back, if itā€™s ever going to mean anything.Ā  Their attempts to keep him in the village are immature and unrealistic, yes.Ā  What they arenā€™t, however, is selfish, because neither Sakura nor Naruto are doing any of this with the intention of advancing their own interests.Ā  Theyā€™re only thinking about Sasuke - how to keep Sasuke safe, how to make Sasuke happy - even when neither of them are taking an approach that will actually work.
Naruto and Sakura are children.Ā  Theyā€™re afraid of losing somebody they care about.Ā  Their attempts to prevent that from happening are desperate and messy and ultimately ineffective, but they are also genuinely felt and rooted in a true desire to rescue Sasuke from his pain, which - and this is the single most important thing that should impact our viewing of Part 1 - is something that Sasuke RECOGNIZES.Ā  He doesnā€™t spend that agonizingly long moment bowed over Narutoā€™s defeated body so we can pretend he doesnā€™t understand that Naruto was just trying to help him.Ā  He doesnā€™t take the time to murmur, ā€œSakuraā€¦thank you,ā€ before laying her out carefully on a bench, just so we can discount it and pretend that he doesnā€™t recognize and appreciate her genuine intention to make things better for him, however clumsy that attempt might have been.
2. the greater good
If Stage 1 Sakura is "the girl with the crush," then Stage 2 Sakura is a progression to ā€œthe girl who decides to put her feelings for Sasuke aside in order to protect innocent people, including (but certainly not limited to) Naruto.ā€Ā  Sheā€™s driven to this decision by interactions with Shikamaru, who all too recently had to grow up fast himself (ā€œWe're not kids anymore...we can't allow a war to break out between the Hidden Leaf and the Hidden Cloud because of Sasuke") and Sai, who risks his new friendship with Sakura and Team 7 in order to speak some hard truths and deliver one of my favorite lines in the whole story: ā€œI donā€™t know what promise Naruto made to you, but itā€™s really no different than what was done to me.Ā  Itā€™s like a curse mark.ā€
(INCREDIBLE.Ā  How can anybody be complaining about a season where Sai gets to say something that goes THIS HARD and Sakura LISTENS and takes DRAMATIC ACTION that actually propels the story forward in a meaningful way - )
[Okay, yeah, brief personal opinion interlude - it is just bonkers wild to me that there are people who complain about Sakura in the Five Kage Summit arc. That entire season is the greatest character arc she ever has.Ā  Literally she has never been more interesting and dynamic than in Season 10; itā€™s the first time she ever gets to be as deep and fascinating as the boys; what is everybody so worked up about?Ā  Oh, ā€œshe lied to Naruto that one timeā€ - Sasuke joined infant-kidnapping baby-murdering human experimentation machine Orochimaru when he was twelve years old in order to (dare I say it????) selfishly pursue his personal goals and yet, somehow, we are still able to root for him.Ā  He abandoned his friends/allies to imprisonment and death (Suigetsu and JÅ«go) or outright stabbed them in the chest himself (Karin) in order to (SELFISHLY) get what he wanted, and yet, somehow, we are still able to love him, understand him, and be on his side.Ā  Naruto is canonically not upset with Sakura about her lie after receiving context for the situation and I think we can probably take our cues from him without feeling the need to bring her up on war crimes; please calm down]
[Sorry, I just really love most of Season 10 and think itā€™s one of the best examples of how good this story can be when every single character gets to do something that matters (as opposed to things being all Naruto, all the time) so I get a little bit worked up over people complaining about some of the best writing Sakura ever gets.Ā  I donā€™t understand what certain elements of fandom want from her. People complain about her being ā€œuselessā€ and not doing anything that contributes to the story, but then they complain just as much when she does finally get to act decisively and have just as complex/dynamic an inner world as the boys.Ā  Sheā€™s ā€œweakā€ for being unreasonably in love with Sasuke, but when she tries to be ā€œstrongā€ and put her love for him aside and eliminate him in order to protect Naruto and the rest of the world, sheā€™s evil, because she should have been more understanding of his situation (despite the fact that she doesnā€™t KNOW anything about his situation).Ā  But then when she canā€™t go through with killing him after all because she cares about him too much despite the things heā€™s done, sheā€™s not "compassionate" or "kind" or "a good friend," sheā€™s ā€œweakā€ again. Nothing Sakura does in S10 is more wrongheaded or rash than any of the batshit, buckwild things Naruto and Sasuke have done in the past (and will continue to do in the future), but when Naruto and Sasuke have big feelings or take bold action, it makes them interesting characters, whereas Sakura canā€™t breathe in anyoneā€™s direction without being minutely scrutinized for moral impurities.]Ā Ā 
Anyway. Back to a more measured response.Ā Ā 
Every single piece of development Sakura has with regard to Sasuke in this season satisfies me so much.Ā  Her initial shock and disbelief at hearing that Sasuke had joined the Akatsuki?Ā  Good, appropriate.Ā  The fact that she starts to acknowledge the reality of what Sasukeā€™s done sooner than Naruto does?Ā  Also extremely appropriate, very in-character for both of them.Ā  Her taking Saiā€™s words to heart and deciding that the promise she asked Naruto to make when they were children is causing him to suffer and she has to relieve him of that burden?Ā  Juicy!Ā  AND thematically significant (promises!!!!Ā  the burden that a promise places on a person, especially when it can't be kept - we've seen that before in this story and we'll see it again).Ā  Her anguished pivot from wanting to protect Sasuke to realizing that she has a responsibility to protect the countless innocents who will die because of the war heā€™s trying to start?Ā  HELLO THIS IS INCREDIBLE CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT.Ā  Her knocking out the classmates who agreed to help her so they donā€™t have to share in her burden (and so the only person Naruto will hate when itā€™s over is her)?Ā  BRUH.Ā  Her being so committed and focused on her goal of saving innocents and protecting Naruto (not just from being harmed by Sasuke/the Akatsuki, but by the possibility that Naruto will someday have to hurt Sasuke himself) that she tries to take everything on by herself and walks into a confrontation that she absolutely cannot win??Ā  INCREDIBLE.Ā  (Literally the first time I watched this, I said, ā€œFinally!!!Ā  Itā€™s Sakuraā€™s turn to go off the rails!ā€Ā  I laughed with my sister about how Kakashi isnā€™t even mad, because Naruto and Sasuke have been pulling stunts like this for years and Sakura was way overdue for her own meltdown.)Ā  And then, after Kakashi intervenes in the fight - Sakura barreling back into the battle when she realizes heā€™s going to take on the burden of killing Sasuke himself in order to spare her and Naruto the horror - ā€œI canā€™t let Kakashi-sensei bear this burden!ā€Ā  I love her for that.Ā Ā 
And then, of course, in the end - her not being able to do hurt Sasuke after all.Ā  Despite committing herself to the act, despite forcing herself to put her feelings for him aside, despite resolving to stop him from starting a war and killing innocent people, she canā€™t harm him.Ā  She cares about him too much.Ā  This, too, is thematically significant - think about Itachiā€™s ā€œyou donā€™t have enough hatredā€ - she doesnā€™t have enough hatred to kill someone she cares about, even if it seems like he deserves it, even if would be the right thing to do to protect others.Ā  She canā€™t do it, and Sasuke almost kills her for her compassion.Ā Ā 
I love the dynamic this sets up between her and Sasuke, for a few reasons:
1) Personally, I think Sasuke respects Sakura much more for trying to kill him than he would have if sheā€™d just tried to talk him out of his behavior or beg him to come home (a la their original confrontation in Part 1).Ā  This is the first significant interaction heā€™s had with Sakura in years, and the fact that she does something SO contrary to his memory of her is an important demonstration of the fact that sheā€™s not the same girl she used to be.Ā  Sasuke spends a lot of time after his defection declaring to his old team ā€œIā€™ve changed; Iā€™m not that person anymore,ā€ but this is one of the moments where heā€™s forced to acknowledge that his teammates have changed, too.Ā  Time didnā€™t just stop for them when he left.Ā  While he was turning into someone new, so were they.Ā  They grew up without him, and his old memories of them canā€™t encompass the whole picture of who they are now.Ā Ā 
(This is a little tangential, but in general, I love the spectrum of reactions that Naruto, Sakura, and Kakashi have in this sequence, and the way that all of them are ultimately messages Sasuke needs to hear.Ā  Sasuke - who we know textually regrets what he did here, who apologizes to Sakura for it later - for ā€œeverything,ā€ in fact - needs Narutoā€™s aggressively optimistic open-arms policy, yes, needs that potential, that unconditional possibility of return.Ā  He also needs Sakuraā€™s refusal to let him hurt her friends and start a war that will kill thousands of people, needs her surprisingly ruthless attempt to take him down; needs just as much her failure to do so, because it shows him that she still loves him too much to kill him even as she condemns him.Ā  And he needs Kakashiā€™s grim line in the sand, needs someone who very possibly won't hesitate like Sakura (despite the horrifying personal cost), someone who will try to reach him but also won't let him escape and become the next generationā€™s Orochimaru, who won't let him cause untold suffering to untold numbers of people just because a teacher loved him too much to stop him when he had the chance.Ā 
(And then even Kakashi chooses not to deliver a killing blow when he has the opportunity -)
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(I know that in fandom people are more likely to be all, ā€œoh, Naruto Good, everybody else Bad,ā€ but I donā€™t think the narrative frames Sakura or Kakashi as ā€œworseā€ than Naruto in any way.Ā  The story goes out of its way to make it clear how desperately they donā€™t want to hurt Sasuke and how much they care about him.Ā  And [this is just my interpretation, so obviously I wonā€™t claim it as fact], I personally think that Sasuke - Sasuke, who, looking back, can see how lost he was then and how tortured he would have been if heā€™d gone through with many of his plans - would be grateful to Sakura and Kakashi for making an attempt to stop him when he couldnā€™t stop himself.)
2) On the other side of this, the fact that Sakura wasnā€™t able to deliver the killing blow means a lot. Sasuke was incapacitated under that bridge; he was completely at her mercy - but she stopped with the kunai an inch from his back.Ā  She couldnā€™t kill him, even though she knew that he was completely willing to kill her (because he'd attempted to Chidori-assassinate her from behind just a few minutes ago).Ā  Thatā€™s huge!Ā  Sasuke is too out of his head right now to process this or understand it, but later, it's going to matter.Ā  She stayed her hand.Ā  She spared his life.Ā  She loved him too much to hurt him, even when heā€™d given her every reason to take him down.Ā  She hesitated, and he almost killed her for it, but her inability to strike him ultimately gave him yet another chance to come home, another chance to get better, another chance to have a life outside of his pain.Ā  Despite everything, some part of her still hadnā€™t really given up on him, and that knowledge will matter later, when heā€™s finally able to acknowledge it.Ā Ā 
The point of all this is to say that I really have no complaints about Sakura and Sasukeā€™s dynamic in their S10 confrontation.Ā  This season is the point where Sakura fully grows past her ā€œgirl with a crushā€ stage and into her ā€œshinobi must make very harsh decisionsā€ adulthood, but it never means that she doesnā€™t care about the person sheā€™s trying to take down.Ā  Her ultimate inability to deliver the killing blow remains a dangling lifeline for her relationship with Sasuke, an open door that Sasuke is able to walk through at the end of the story (literally, in fact, when Sakura opens that portal for him and saves him from Kaguyaā€™s desert prison, and figuratively, too, when Sasuke apologizes to her).
3. she only wants to save you
The last stage in their relationship is what Sakura settles into during the war arc.Ā  She started off Part 1 being just a girl with a crush, then tried to harden her heart and put her feelings for Sasuke aside in service of the greater good, but she was unable to actually follow through and kill him, and because of that, what sheā€™s come to accept by the war arc is actually two things: that 1) Sasuke truly is willing to let her die if it furthers his goals, and 2) she wants to save him anyway.Ā Ā 
She has no intention of pursuing Sasuke romantically.Ā  She knows full well that Sasuke isnā€™t interested in her.Ā  She even knows that Sasuke isnā€™t really on their side (thereā€™s a great scene where Sai questions Sakura about Sasukeā€™s return, and she reassures him that everything is fine, and Sai sadly thinks to himself ā€œeven I can tell your smile is fakeā€).Ā  Sheā€™s well-aware that Sasuke didnā€™t try to help her when Madara stabbed her.Ā  Sheā€™s well-aware that he left her to die in the lava pit.Ā  Sheā€™s also well-aware that none of this is enough to make her stop loving him.Ā  He doesnā€™t have to care about her - she still cares about him.Ā  She still wants to help him.Ā  She still wants to save him.
This is not hidden, hard-to-parse character development.Ā  Itā€™s explicitly articulated on the page:
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Sakuraā€™s not trying or wanting to make you hers!Ā  She only wants to save you.
Iā€™m not sure if people look at this last confrontation and unquestioningly take Sasuke at his word (as if we havenā€™t just read 71 volumes/watched 700 episodes showing us how how painfully distorted his thinking is), or if they stop reading/watching before the end of the scene, or if they donā€™t understand that Sasuke saying something doesnā€™t make that statement an accurate representation of reality.Ā  The entire point of this scene is to show us how deeply mistaken Sasuke is about Sakura (and, by extension, the rest of Team 7).Ā  Heā€™s locked into a false pattern of thinking.Ā  His single-minded focus on revenge and destruction has blinded him to the unconditional love his friends feel for him; heā€™s become so accustomed to using others and being used that he canā€™t understand or accept that someone would care about him without needing a reason, without needing him to love them back, without needing to receive something from him in exchange.
Sakuraā€™s not trying or wanting to make you hers!Ā  She only wants to save you.
Sasuke matters to Sakura as more than a love interest.Ā  He always has.Ā  She does love him romantically, yes, but she doesnā€™t only love him romantically, and her desire to help him is not and has never been contingent on him returning her feelings, romantically or otherwise.Ā  Sasuke isnā€™t able to acknowledge that in this scene, but that doesnā€™t mean weā€™re supposed to just sit back and agree with his warped perspective.Ā  Kakashi is the one whoā€™s explicitly positioned as the voice of the narrative here.Ā  We, as the audience, are supposed to recognize that Kakashi is the one telling us the truth.
[tangential thing 1: You donā€™t have to love Sakura's last plea to Sasuke here. Itā€™s not my favorite, either - the best part, other than Kakashiā€™s speech at the end, is the moment after Kakashi collapses when Sakuraā€™s expression changes from pained uncertainty to pure rage, when she grits her teeth together - when I first saw that, I almost leapt out of my seat like ā€œOh my god.Ā  Sheā€™s finally going to let him have it.Ā  Itā€™s finally happening - ā€Ā  I wanted that so badly, and I still think it would have been a more effective writing choice for Sakuraā€™s last words to lean more into her anger at the suffering Sasuke is causing all of them (himself included!) and less into yet another of Kishimotoā€™s ā€œlet me have Sakura articulate what a shame it is that she canā€™t do as much as Naruto despite the fact that I literally just went through a major reveal sequence in the war to show that sheā€™s caught up to the boys; I canā€™t make up my mind about whether I want her to progress or notā€ - itā€™s extremely frustrating (and it's something he does at the very end of the S10 Team 7 reunion, too, which is the ONLY moment of S10 that falls flat for me).Ā  But at the same time, even if there are ways this sequence could be more satisfying, it doesnā€™t change the fact that her plea to him is not remotely motivated by a desire to be with him romantically and not anything to condemn her for.]
[tangential thing 2: I do like how she remembers that moment when Sasuke says ā€œThank you.ā€Ā  That panel precedes her saying ā€œIf thereā€™s even a tiny corner of your heart that thinks about meā€¦ā€ (which Iā€™m sure is one of the things that people like to criticize about this scene, aka ā€œoh sheā€™s sooooo self-centeredā€ etc), but that particular line of dialogue is preceded by that particular flashback panel for a reason: Sakura knows that Sasuke DOES think about her.Ā  He thinks about all of them.Ā  Sakura remembers that ā€œthank you,ā€ and it reminds her that despite everything Sasuke has done and said since, despite all evidence to the contrary, she knows in her bones that his expression of gratitude back then was genuine.Ā  He cared about her once.Ā  He cared about all of them.Ā  Sheā€™s trying to reach the part of him that still does, if it exists.]
[tangential thing 3: The fact that Kakashi says ā€œshe suffers from loving you,ā€ and it triggers Sasuke to remember his own family - thinking about how much he suffered (and still suffers) from loving them - ā€œPerhapsā€¦those are the ties to a failed pastā€ - the idea that itā€™s not worth it to have bonds if it means you suffer this muchā€¦that itā€™s too difficult, itā€™s too painful, and if Sakura and the rest of Team 7 were smarter they would just give it up (all Sasuke knows how to do now is sever potential bonds before they can hurt him; so why arenā€™t Sakura and the rest of his teammates doing that, why canā€™t they let it go, why are they making this so hard - ) << yeah, he clearly doesn't care about her/them at all.]
4. the shadow of my family
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This has all been a really long way to answer the original question, but the short response to ā€œWhat do you think about the relationship between Sasuke and Sakura?ā€ is ā€œI really care about it,ā€Ā just like I really care about the relationship between Sasuke and Naruto, just like I really care about the relationship between Sasuke and Kakashi. And I donā€™t think the story ever asks me to choose between them.
Iā€™m not sure whether itā€™s the impact of Boruto-era ā€œcanonā€ that gets in the way of other people approaching things this way (I donā€™t consider sequel material when I evaluate the original story), or if itā€™s Kishimotoā€™s frequent disinterest in/disrespect towards female characters, which yes, does sometimes make it harder, or if it's a shipping thing (bane of my existence), or some combination of factors, but for me, taking one member of Team 7 out of the equation hobbles the rest of the story.Ā  I canā€™t read/watch Naruto while hating one of the protagonists and loving the other three.Ā  It doesnā€™t work like that for me.Ā  The story wasnā€™t written that way, and thereā€™s nothing in the text that would cause me to receive it that way.
That doesn't mean there's anything wrong with disliking one of the main foursome (or any character, for that matter) - obviously we're all going to have different preferences, and everyone is free to enjoy or reject whatever parts of a story they want, or to like or dislike whatever characters they want. I know that some people have more fun disregarding canon and doing their own thing, which is fine.Ā  My own personal zone of enjoyment comes from receiving the story as closely to how I think it was intended to be read as I can, and personally, when I look at this particular story, what I see is that all the members of Team 7 clearly demonstrate their love for Sasuke in ways that he himself later recognizes and acknowledges. All of them are driven by their desire to save him and their unwillingness to hurt him. All of them make repeated choices to chase after him when he runs away, to trust him when he hasn't exactly earned it, to give him another chance when he doesn't appear to deserve it. ALL of them, not just Naruto, do these things multiple times throughout the story, and Sasuke owes his life (and thus his eventual recovery) to ALL of them, many times over. Kakashi disobeys Hokage-elect Danzō and breaks the law to negotiate for Sasuke's life with a foreign head of state. Sakura and Kakashi both have opportunities to kill Sasuke in the Land of Iron, and they choose to spare him instead. Kakashi stops Sasuke from killing his only friends at two different points in the story, which would have been a mistake Sasuke couldn't have recovered from. Sasuke would have died in Kaguya's desert dimension if Sakura hadn't saved him (Sakura, who knew that Sasuke wasn't even truly on her side yet, who knew he'd abandoned her for dead multiple times already that day). Kaguya's bone bullet would have killed Sasuke too, if Kakashi, with his intention to die in Sasuke's place, hadn't leapt in front of it (Kakashi, who also knew that Sasuke wasn't fully on their side yet, who also knew that Sasuke had abandoned him for dead earlier that day). Sasuke and Naruto would have BOTH died in the Final Valley if Sakura and a severely injured Kakashi hadn't chased after them to heal their injuries.
Remove any one member of Team 7, and Sasuke never makes it home. Without the combined efforts of all three of his teammates, he doesn't survive. Ā Thatā€™s the way it should be, thematically, for a story whose first and most foundational premise was the importance of teamwork, and since Sakura was just as essential to that framework as everyone else, Iā€™m just as invested in her relationship with Sasuke as I am in his relationship with everyone else.Ā  You canā€™t remove one leg from a four-legged stool without damaging the integrity of the entire structure, and for me, discounting any single member of Team 7 irreparably damages the integrity of the entire story.Ā 
TL;DR: I love all of the Team 7 relationships, including Sakura and Sasuke's, because despite what some segments of fandom seem to believe, the text of the story never gives me any reason not to.
#naruto#meta#replies#anyway that's that! hopefully that is a helpful answer#thank you for the question! i honestly don't think i would have ever gotten around to writing about this if i hadn't been directly asked#i love talking about the stories i enjoy (obviously; we all do; that's why we're here)#but i'm usually ĀÆ\_(惄)_/ĀÆ about responding to takes that blatantly misread the narrative to justify hating a particular character or ship#mostly because a) it's whatever. as long as people mind their own business and leave me to enjoy myself they can do what they want#and b) some opinions are so divorced from the actual text that they're not worth discussing#like. what's the point of responding to random internet posts saying that sakura was selfishly pursuing sasuke as a lover the entire time#when that is textually and provably not the case?#if you're that committed to experiencing things in direct contradiction to what the narrative is asking of us then just go ahead#is it mildly annoying to me? sure. but so are lots of things and it's better to just let stuff go#like - i initially planned to take this piece of meta all the way up through sakura and sasuke's last scene together#the one where he tells her 'maybe next time' and finally reclaims and redefines itachi's forehead tap (INCREDIBLE. THIS SCENE.)#but ultimately i changed my mind because everything i wrote for that last section was coming out too harsh#i generally prefer to talk about fandom stuff in a chill/friendly approachable way#but i kept thinking about the most obscenely & disrespectfully inaccurate read of that scene i'd ever seen#and i couldn't figure out how to talk about it in a non-scathing way#that scene and the one where naruto gives sasuke's headband back are the ONLY well-written things about the finale of naruto#they are SO perfectly constructed and i can't respond to people slandering either one without feeling an urge to kill#so i just deleted it. partially because again - this is fandom; it's not that serious; people can do what they want#but also because i know i get extra frustrated about people picking over the text and plucking out isolated bits and pieces#to contort into blatantly misinterpreted mutant shapes that 'confirm' whatever pre-existing judgments or ships they had#instead of experiencing the story as a cohesive whole & keeping in mind the greater context of what it's always been trying to communicate#people on this website say 'we all interpret things differently :)' as if it means no one can ever be wrong about what a text is saying#newsflash: not all interpretations of a text are valid. things can't in fact mean whatever you want them to mean.#the ***story*** persists and exists even if the author is dead to you#if you choose to ignore that then that's fine; it's just fandom; who cares. but i'm not going to pretend you're 'analyzing' anything.#(ok now i'm really done. you can see why i deleted this section XD)
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"[Elizabeth Woodville's] piety as queen seems to have been broadly conventional for a fifteenth-century royal, encompassing pilgrimages, membership of various fraternities, a particular devotion to her name saint, notable generosity to the Carthusians, and the foundation of a chantry at Westminster after her son was born there. ['On other occasions she supported planned religious foundations in London, [ā€¦] made generous gifts to Eton College, and petitioned the pope to extend the circumstances in which indulgences could be acquired by observing the feast of the Visitation']. One possible indicator of a more personal, and more sophisticated, thread in her piety is a book of Hours of the Guardian Angel which Sutton and Visser-Fuchs have argued was commissioned for her, very possibly at her request."
-J.L. Laynesmith, "Elizabeth Woodville: The Knight's Widow", Later Plantagenet and Wars of the Roses Consorts: Power, Influence, Dynasty
#historicwomendaily#elizabeth woodville#my post#friendly reminder that there's nothing indicating that Elizabeth was exceptionally pious or that her piety was 'beyond purely conventional'#(something first claimed by Anne Crawford who simultaneously claimed that Elizabeth was 'grasping and totally lacking in scruple' so...)#EW's piety as queen may have stood out compared to former 15th century predecessors and definitely stood out compared to her husband#but her actions in themselves were not especially novel or 'beyond normal' and by themselves don't indicate unusual piety on her part#As Laynesmith's more recent research observes they seem to have been 'broadly conventional'#A conclusion arrived at Derek Neal as well who also points out that in general queens and elite noblewomen simply had wider means#of 'visible material expression of [their] personal devotion' - and also emphasizes how we should look at their wider circumstances#to understand their actions (eg: the death of Elizabeth's son George in 1479 as a motivating factor)#It's nice that we know a bit about Elizabeth's more personal piety - for eg she seems to have developed an attachment to Westminster Abbey#It's possible her (outward) piety increased across her queenship - she undertook most of her religious projects in later years#But again - none of them indicate the *level* of her piety (ie: they don't indicate that she was beyond conventionally pious)#By 1475 it seems that contemporaries identified Cecily Neville as the most personally devout from the Yorkist family#(though Elizabeth and even Cecily's sons were far greater patrons)#I think people also assume this because of her retirement to Westminster post 1485#which doesn't work because 1) we don't actually know when she retired? as Laynesmith says there is no actual evidence for the traditional#date of 12 February 1487#2) she had very secular reasons for retiring (grief over the death of her children? her lack of dower lands or estates which most other#widows had? her options were very limited; choosing to reside in the abbey is not particularly surprising. it's a massive and unneeded jump#to claim that it was motivated solely by piety (especially because it wasn't a complete 'retirement' in the way people assume it was)#I think historians have a habit of using her piety as a GOTCHA!' point against her vilification - which is a flawed and stupid argument#Elizabeth could be the most pious individual in the world and still be the pantomime villain Ricardians/Yorkists claim she was#They're not mutually exclusive; this line of thinking is useless#I think this also stems from the fact that we simply know very little about Elizabeth as an individual (ie: her hobbies/interests)#certainly far less than we do for other prominent women Margaret of Anjou; Elizabeth of York;; Cecily Neville or Margaret Beaufort#and I think rather than emphasizing that gap of knowledge her historians merely try to fill it up with 'she was pious!'#which is ... an incredibly lackluster take. I think it's better to just acknowledge that we don't know much about this historical figure#ie: I do wish that her piety and patronage was emphasized more yes. but it shouldn't flip too far to the other side either.
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