#one piece ohara

[whateverthought]

Crazy theory, it's probably not gonna happen...

(Spoilers for One Piece Chapter 1120)

But Robin's dad is Clover's brother.

Okay, so we know Olvia left to study the Ponyglphs to 'honor her husband's wishes' and he wasn't in the flashback so he must have died before Robin was born, maybe before Olvia even knew she was pregnant. So, 30-31 years ago.

And Clover recounts his brother's death in a flashback 26 years ago, which means Robin was 4, assuming his brother didn't die that year, it's very possible for the times to line up. Now, Clover escaped because he lied, not telling them he was a D. It would make sense he would pass along that information to Olvia and her subsequent child. And even though Robin did become an archaeologist at 8, Clover very clearly didn't want Robin to know about the Ponyglyphs because he feared the Government coming for her. Would that not include having to hide their name as well?

It also fulfills my childhood theory that Robin was a D.

[bluestation]

i found you in the future

[sabo-torao]

will i ever stop tearing up over robin and all the love she receives from the straw hats? the answer is no

[cldhead]

just had to draw her

[torao-d-water-ya]

The civilians you're sworn to protect.

The civilians you're sworn to bloody protect???

Like these civilians?

These ones?

These ones?

These ones?

These ones?

These

Fucking

Civilians????

.

[tuxxydo]

i love how hopecore one piece has been ever since gear 5th has been revealed.

[gentlygolden]

horo-horo hito hito no mi, model: revenant

Joshua Jennifer Espinosa, Things Haunt | One Piece manga, ch. 448 | Valeria Luiselli, Faces in the Crowd | One Piece manga, ch. 78 | Alice Hoffman, Practical Magic | One Piece anime, ep. 19 | Thomas Campbell, Hallowed Ground | One Piece manga, ch. 396 | The Smiths, Please Please Please Let Me Get What I Want | One Piece manga, ch. 1069 | heavensghost on tumblr | One Piece manga, ch. 449 | Guillermo del Toro, Crimson Peak | One Piece manga, ch. 1069 | Midnight Mass (2021)

the horo-horo fruit making people depressed doesn’t make sense to me when combined with vegapunk’s theory about humanity’s desires being responsible for devil fruits.

……that being said, the universal need to see deceased loved ones again would probably be enough to will a devil fruit into existence, right?

Basically my argument as to how the Horo-Horo fruit could be another misnomer situation (a la “the Model: Nika fruit was intentionally mislabeled”)but the Awakened form hasn’t been accessed in so long that it’s left out of most guidebooks because nobody remembers if it existed in the first place. (Related to my au inspired by @andaniellight )

[marimology]

LUFFY with a spiderman! s/o headcannons because one piece and spiderman are my biggest interests

warnings : none just luffy being luffy , mentions the spider society.

— when he found out that it was from a spider bite and not from a devil fruit he was lowkey jealous

— fym you can still swim??

— definitely asked if you shoot webs out your butt

— if sanji is wondering why the meat is suddenly disappearing more it’s cus you had grabbed them with your webs

— if you get into an argument he definitely says some corny shut like “ enough of you and your web of lies”

— chopper was the first one to know but it makes sense

it makes spidey sense

— SPEAKING OF SPIDEY SENSE he likes to throw random objects at you to try to activate them

“did you just throw a carrot at me?”

“maybe”

*throws it back*

— please don’t let him find out the spider society or the multiverse

— but if he does he’d get a day pass and look at everyone with starry eyes

— once he found out about canon events … poor baby

— you had pretended to be doflamingo when law pissed you off… luffy found it funny

[the-frizzle-fry]

People keep saying “this broke me.” Why? It’s happy. Yeah the sad n suicidal Robin was tough. It’s wild how Oda can write something new and make something old so much better. She was only living for the people she lost. Meeting the strawhats made her want to live for herself.

But if anything this chapter CURED SOME OF MY DEPRESSION.

Oda basically made us wait as long as Robin did to see Saul again.

And to top it off these scenes with Robin and Bonney bonding are heart warming. I kinda want Bonney for the rest of the ride. She took her jewelry off cuz she met her dad again. 😭

I’d like to give Luffy some praise too. He didn’t bust out on a wild adventure beforehand. Luffy wants to thank Saul. He learned it from Makino teaching Ace to thank Shanks.

Although Nami did have to reel him back. 🤣 He learns slow.

[defnotkanyewest]

Genuine question how do zionists watch and enjoy ATLA?

Like are they just watching it thinking “Wow I really feel bad for Ozai he must feel awful with all these earthbenders terrorizing him” or “These waterbenders deserve getting wiped out they’re a threat to the fire nation” or do they support Aang and the rest of the main cast then go and support ethnic cleansing?

[petrichal]

One Piece 1133 talk: Praise Me for Living

i just wanted to open this with I WANT TO PELT SPANDINE AND THAT FUCKING SON OF HIS WITH ROCKS SO BAD OH MY GODDDD

"I'll never forget the sounds of the screams that emerged from the fire" THOSE WERE CIVILLIANS. ON THE ISLAND YOU ORDERED A BUSTER CALL ON. I HOPE YOU CHOKED IN YOUR GRAVE AND SUFFER IN HELL I HATE YOU

(kind of a moot point but one other thing i wanna say when I was reading through the raws was that Spandine says “ガキの皮を被った悪魔だ”/"That's a demon wearing the skin of a child" here which - to me - felt more visceral than the translation. still an insane thing to say about a child though, obviously.

edit: I was thinking how fucked up it was that literally everyone around her believed that she truly was the devil's child, but with descriptions like that (+ rumors spreading about how she can use "freakish sorcery" [-> devil fruits not being common in the Blues?], she'd "slit your throat in the night", and "no human emotions", like she's not human at all) you can see how easy it was for people to get brainwashed into this wrong idea of her when she was young. Government manipulation in, i guess, the entirety of West Blue at the time, ran deep. anyways)

With that outta the way, this chapter is masterful. Im gonna cry. Ive cried already throughout a third of my reading for this chapter, it's just so good. Nico Robin I love you so much

Though its unfortunate that we have to see Spandine again, Oda knows what he's doing bringing back Robin's tragedy at the start of the chapter. We know her story, we've seen her flashback, but it's an entire other thing to see it again in Elbaf, the arc where we know the context of, that Saul is alive, and it gives us a clue that that is where the chapter is heading towards.

Also isn't it crazy that when the dialogue frames Robin as this "dangerous", "unfeeling" person with no heart, the visual we're presented with is her crying as she sifts through garbage to search for food, and then sharing it with a dog?? Hello??? And the panels before that goes "The government won't go into detail about the story" for fear that "the truth" might "traumatize the children", which is CRAZY when slapped upon an image of cipher pol agents with guns actively hunting down a child??? The juxtaposition of Spandine's dialogue and the images that are shown is very telling, it's just so well done.

TW: discussions of suicide (for this part)

We know that Robin was ostracized as a child. We know this. Doesn't make it hurt any less, though. Especially (and especially) when it's shown on the pages clearly of how it affected her.

What got me thinking when I saw this again was that all of West Blue was probably fed this lie from the World Government. Every island she went to knew who she was, literally everyone was warned to look out for her, that she was dangerous and should be turned in. And it's not like travelling out of West Blue was safe, nor was it probably an option that existed for Robin back then- like, she was eight!! How was she supposed to go across the Red Line, the Calm Belt?? She was truly boxed in. She must've felt that there was no other way out. Of course she'd turn to suicide.

That panel of her at the cliff honestly broke me. It's not like it wasn't implied at all back when her flashback was first shown; Her circumstances were difficult for her and it wouldn't be out of left field to think that she might have considered dying. To have it drawn on a page that she considered it, looked down from a cliff, and the fact that the only thing keeping her from jumping was her mother's words and Saul's promise was genuinely heartbreaking. She was so strong to have gone through all of that, she deserves the whole world and more actually

Cut back to the present and she lived through it all and here she is with her family, a place where she belongs aaaaaa 🥲 I love that Luffy gets all huffy (hah) over Robin saying that she can go alone, saying that a captain needs to pay their respects to those who have helped their crew, that it's the honorable thing to do. Sounds like a certain someone, ey? (Ace & Shanks lol, he remembers Makino's lessons from all those years ago too ;v;).

Then they all insist to go with her and it's so cute and I was like oh when did she change her clothes and $@!#>}! ITS THE SAME FIT SHE WORE WHEN SHE MET SAUL FOR THE FIRST TIME!! SAUL'S "FALLEN AND WON'T GET UP" IS BECAUSE HE DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO GREET HER SO HE DECIDED TO JUST FACEPLANT ON THE BEACH BECAUSE THATS HOW HE MET HER FOR THE FIRST TIME!!! ITS SO SILLY BUT I STARTED TEARING UP??? WHAT????AND THEN THE PARALLELS:

😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

my heart...... my heart.....augghjkjsdh..... (speechless)

The fact that the first thing he tells her was about how Ohara's sacrifice wasn't in vain, that traces of them still remain, like Robin, did you hear Vegapunk's message?? That was the message from the people of Ohara, their voices are still being heard!! was so goddang wholesome.

And Robin hears this, and she hears about how Saul survived and the things he heard other people call her, and he's getting angry on behalf of her again but all she wanted (and perhaps, what she truly needed this whole time) was something else;

For Saul to praise her for having survived.

(The Viz translation isn't ~wrong~ with Robin's line here, but I wanted to point out how it was put originally; Instead of "I want to hear nice things about how I survived!", the raws read “生きたこと… 褒めてほしい！”, which, as I understood it, "I want you to praise me... for being alive/having survived!". The chapter title has it as "Nice Things" but the original was “褒めてほしい”/ "I want you to praise (me)". And this probably seemed self-conceited in english?? and that's why it's translated like that idk, i just thought its nicer in jp)

But the fact that Robin is asking this of Saul and the fact that she's able to make that request in the first place is where I sobbed because this is what Robin wants to hear!!! It's a childish, selfish request, and it's something she wasn't able to wish for / doesn't allow herself to wish for before because she thought Saul/anyone she loved from her past was dead this whole time or that she didn't deserve it, but Saul is alive, and it's the first step she needs to take to truly heal!! Her changing her clothes and cutting her hair to seem more like herself when she was younger is a deliberate choice, this is the part of her that needs closure, the part of her that went through all the trauma the world had given her, and she's healing her inner child!! She needed to hear this from Saul!! She deserves this so much!!! (im rambly if this doesnt make any sense im sorry khfdjk)

And Saul laughs, and says of course!/“勿論だ！”, no questions asked, and the unconditional love just broke me down man i cant

Note that Robin was smiling this entire time (maybe from the start of the arc? or at least since she cut her hair) and leading up to the last page was when she finally started breaking down. They're crying, the crew's crying, Luffy looking on so fondly, happy for her, and I'm crying. I love One Piece so much, I love these dorks. I don't think I'll forget this last page for my life, it's one of the best moments in this series to date.... Truly the Robin chapter of all time <3

bonus: lmfao?? maybe they'll let him down once they get back for the festivities but rip bozo

[raconteur-wanpi]

Actually, while having a retrospective on Egghead, I realized there isn't enough Sentomaru appreciation.

The entire arc he spends sacrificing himself for the safety of others. And boy does he sacrifice. Zero shits given about his "faith" to the Marines and the WG. No hesitation in betraying them if it means helping his father figure and the innocent civilians of the island. Goes against a BUSTER CALL and is willing to stay behind if it means others get to escape. Does everything he can to save innocent lives to the point of going against his mentor figure. And all of his efforts go to waste due to the sheer tragedy of the situation, as he has to watch the escapee ships get shot down. He instantly sides with the Strawhats even if it means he'll be declared a criminal. Quits the corrupt system of the Marines and in return he looses everything. And yet he tries to keep going even in his mourning and manages to survive. Genuinely the unsung hero of the arc.

I give Stella a lot of criticism about a lot of things, as much as I love him as a character, but "leaving his son behind to potentially die on a Buster Call'd island while he attempts to escape with some pirates" is one I often forget. Justice for 'maru.

[chromatic-lamina]

I prefer the nuance and poetry of the scans more, but true, some information is different, but overall basically the same. Also, sheesh, get with the 21st century official translators. "Humanity" is far more inclusive than "man" (grinds teeth) (Edit in: But read below). (The use of 'with' for the sun god and serpent can be read a few ways. I wonder if it means in the way that the scans implied (alongside)). Okay, I need to add to this. I haven't read any comments or tags I might've got on it. Artur says: 彼らはきっと会えるだろう

And once that conflict ends, “The Sun will return. A new morning will arrive”, indicating that the Dawn of the World will come. And at last, “Those men will surely be able to meet again.”. It is unclear who these “men” is referring to, as it just uses the male third person pronoun in the plural (while English doesn’t have male third person plural, Japanese does), so it’s just referring to a group of men, though keep in mind it could also be generalizing to men as a large group if it also includes women.

Probably not explained later. Nefertari D. Lili seems to be in the group of people joining in on the battle at least. Edited: Feb 6: Also, Sandman (on Twitter) and Artur differ somewhat First of all, this:

The texts are written in a poetic style. In particular, the words 隷人 (slave), 片われ月 (half-moon), and 残影 (afterimage) are difficult vocabulary that an average JP person has probably never even heard in their lifetime. Oda has successfully elevated the tone of the text.💪

Sandman's Twitter Link is here:

Artur used standard Japanese for half moon, at least on Library of Ohara (unless it's mentioned twice). Read below for moon update! Then Sandman says this of Artur's comment on the use of 彼ら, although Artur responds too.

Also, Feb 12, Artur’s latest visual!

Sandman:

💡I politely disagree with Arthur’s translation. He translated the sentence as “He and they could not meet again.” His point that the Japanese word 彼ら(karera) includes at least one male is correct. However, translating it as “He and they” might give the impression that He is a special or distinct entity, which I do not perceive from the original Japanese text. Even considering the existence of Joy Boy, the safest translation would be “They” rather than “He and they.”

Twitter link 2.

Artur's words (which Sandman is referencing) on Twitter. These are more in depth than on his Chapter Secrets, unless he's changed them. I'm hoping it's a wider 'they', btw.

[LOST IN TRANSLATION:] The subject of "won't meet again" is 彼ら, which in Japanese is male third person plural. English gender neutralizes "they" so this nuance gets a bit lost (whereas other languages, like French ils/elles or Spanish ellos/ellas retains gender). If I were translating for publication I'd just keep it as "they" but just wanted to highlight the nuance here in case it were relevant. But in the same way as something like "those guys" in English, it can mean a man + an undefined number of other people of any gender. So it could be a man and a woman, a man and a large group of people, or a large group of people in general. But I would argue that if it really were just two people, a word like "the two of them" would be used (especially in Japanese) rather than a broader plural term, so I think this is most likely referring to a larger group of people than just two individuals. This is a very important distinction I feel. So because of that, I'm not so sure if it's referring to the meeting of two Kings the Sea Kings mentioned (which might just be Joyboy and Poseidon in that case) or two people as a whole, but rather a big group of people. Hard to say, but I wonder if it's just referring in a broader way to all people, the union of all people and races as "one piece". That makes the most sense to me at least, as it would make sense by context that the subject is all those previously mentioned. Like "at last, all people will be united as one instead of being separate" 🤔

Artur's Link here

And his reply to Sandman with a shout out the official translation (tough job!).

That's what I mentioned in the tweet as well! If this were in terms of a professional translation for publication, I'd definitely translate it as "they". I just wanted to highlight that nuance by writing it this way here since most English readers might miss the gendering Btw, given what you said in the tweet, which is basically what I mentioned as well, would you agree that the use of 彼ら over something like 二人 indicates this is more logically (though not strictly necessarily) referring to a larger group of people than just two indidivudals [sic]? That's kind of the feeling I got and was what I was trying to illustrate 🤔

Artur's reply to Sandman link here.

Some very interesting discussion on the choice of "not meet again" or "never meet at all?" The official translation using "they would never meet" in the comments on the last post too. The official translation kind of covering all bases.

Feb 12: Extra, extra info.

Okay, Artur didn’t simplify any of the Japanese. There is the standard Japanese for half moon, and the kanji that Sandman has used above is closer to a crescent or fragmented moon, even though Viz used half moon for both moons.

Here’s a link to Artur’s amazing, very thorough translation (step by step).

More in depth than what was originally posted by me (and him).

[lunearcadia02]

One-tober 2024, Day 12: Tragic

"No one is born to be alone."

[nyxthedragon225]

"Ohara was so brave, they fought against the entire world!"

[0ynes]

Yeah, the Ohara globe, BUT THE FLAGS?!!! Doflamingo's flag, Ace's flag, Whitebeard flag AAAAAAAAAAAA