#on white liberalism its the SAME

[tododeku-or-bust]

I do not hate to tell you all this, but white racism, and really whiteness itself, is very predictable. It becomes so, when your existence is forcibly centered as the "default", the "normal" thing to have to know. It's why things like "well just bc someone doesn't like rap doesn't mean they're racist" no but 9/10 there are further beliefs that person holds that show that this belief is bolstered... By racism.

Like idk how to keep telling yall, but just bc y'all don't know us, doesn't mean we don't know you 😅 we've been forced to do so for the sake of our lives and livelihoods. We have grown overly used to the patterns of racism, we know we're seeing bc generations of us have had to see the same bs recycled into new ways.

[mohabbaat]

this is so funny you and everyone is talking about 500 years of suffering like babar made masjid on temple that has no proof was there toh aise toh aadhe hindu temple medieval age aur stone age mein stupas ko tod ke bane hai. literally what was happening before the delhi sultanate came in to existence. the temple of kalapriya destroyed by indra III for example. temple desecration was a pretty common affair. if the supreme court of india was any good (or let's be real not dominated by upper caste hindu who perpetuate brahman hindutva) the decision would have been babri masjid not mandir. india as it was made in 1947 died today.

there is nothing I can say which will change you point of view so 🤷🏻‍♀️.

[softbutchvodkasoup]

Idk man liberals will say "listen to sex workers!!1" until the sex workers in question are trafficking / prostitution survivors (majority of whom are women of color, from the global south, aka the vast majority of sex workers) calling for the abolition of the sex industry, and materially challenging this specific tool of the male supremacy system known as patriarchy.

[iloveschiaparelli]

The autistic experience is getting yelled at all the time for not liking things that "everybody likes!"

[littlestarlex]

hearing my political influencer roommate say "I won't promote Biden because he hasnt called for a ceasefire to the genocide, but I am still voting for him" is so genuinely tone deaf and stupid and it alone convinced me I am DEFINITELY not voting for that stupid motherfucker (I already wasn't going to, but it confirmed I was making the right call)

the sentiment I keep hearing is "as long as it isn't Trump" but it's so frustrating to think, for some people, Biden is as bad as Trump, for some people his lack of action on major policy change has altered their lives permanently in ways than will never be undone

"well Trump is going to enact a national abortion ban, doesn't that scare you?" sure, but I'm scared right now for the very real people currently unable to get the Healthcare they need because of loss of roe v. wade, for some people that ban is already in place and they're facing very real consequences of it as we speak

I'm scared for my friends, my family, myself, and all the people I may never know who are being impacted RIGHT NOW by the democratic presidency we're currently under

just because I am not currently impacted does not mean it shouldn't be a priority, just because it doesn't directly impact me doesn't mean I should just let it go

they cannot have my vote just because they're blue, just because they pacify us with small scale wins while continuing to fund the very things that keep us from being in a position of power

shit in the government can take a long time, I get it, but clearly they can move quick when it's something they all want, like ripping the power from the people and silencing voices that want genuine change

they all want the same thing, just because democrats aren't up there screaming on stage doesn't make them any less evil than republicans

[bisexualgerardway]

god i am grateful for the level of critical thinking that exists within the internet circles i have found myself engaged in

[tododeku-or-bust]

I do not hate to tell you all this, but white racism, and really whiteness itself, is very predictable. It becomes so, when your existence is forcibly centered as the "default", the "normal" thing to have to know. It's why things like "well just bc someone doesn't like rap doesn't mean they're racist" no but 9/10 there are further beliefs that person holds that show that this belief is bolstered... By racism.

Like idk how to keep telling yall, but just bc y'all don't know us, doesn't mean we don't know you 😅 we've been forced to do so for the sake of our lives and livelihoods. We have grown overly used to the patterns of racism, we know we're seeing bc generations of us have had to see the same bs recycled into new ways.

[comradecowplant]

something something white trans woman streamer who claimed to be a marxist now unironically stanning kamala harris something something white queers with victim complexes desperate for our struggles to be the center of the universe above all else something something...........................................................

[snekdood]

some people will only feel bad about how they treated you when you're dead. and when that happens, it wont even be worth anything, because its all self centered guilt about how bad they feel about being bad. if they actually regretted their actions, they would've said something while you were alive.

[hussyknee]

It's about shooting the messenger. They hate the scenario you're positing and panicked about the truth of it, so they treat you as the one who wants to cause it so they have an outlet for their anxiety. Liberals hate believing the systems that support them become untenable when they exclude more and more people, and prefer to keep a death grip on and sink with them while screaming and blaming everyone else all the way down.

Not mad just perplexed. "It is possible for this thing to happen that would be very bad for many people so we need to prepare so we can help people if that happens" I say. "But if that happened, it would be bad and people would die!" everyone says. "Yes so we need to prepare" I say. "But the current system is so sensitive to minor upsets, it would be so much worse with a larger disruption!" they say. "Yes, so we will need to make a way that we don't have to rely exclusively on the current system to survive." I say. "But many individuals wouldn't survive a disruption because the system has problems in these ways!" they say. I don't know what to say because I don't know if it would be perceived as agreeing or disagreeing, or how they would feel about either.

[thebreakfastgenie]

It is extremely disturbing how many posts I see claiming that Roe v. Wade was overturned on Biden's watch and blaming him and the Democratic Party for it. It's disturbing on a number of levels.

First, it was Trump and Bush-appointed justices who handed down the Dobbs decision. This is a flagrant example of blaming Democrats for things Republicans did, and not coincidentally is one of the the most widely felt differences between the two parties. As a result, it's usually the first example Democrats and their allies point to; this misappropriation suggests a deliberate attempt to undercut that fact.

Secondly, and related to the first point, it obfuscates who the real enemy is, and I am comfortable using word "enemy" to describe the Republican Party because of the policies they advocate and enact. The truth is that states controlled by the Republican Party were where the effects of Dobbs are most severely felt, while states controlled by the Democratic Party are passing laws to protect abortion. It is important to know which party opposes abortion and which party supports it. If the Republicans gain control of the House, Senate, and White House, they will pass a national abortion ban, as they have done at the state level in several places.

Thirdly, blaming Biden for Dobbs demonstrates a very concerning lack of understanding of how the government functions. The judiciary is its own branch of government; judges are appointed by the president and confirmed by the senate. It doesn't matter who is president when a decision is handed down, it matters who was president when the justices were appointed. People sometimes react to this by moving the goalposts and claiming the real issue was a failure by Democrats to "codify" Roe v. Wade. I am not sure what "codify" means in this context, and I'm not sure they are either. One thing it does not mean is that congress can pass a law saying "abortion is legal forever." Republicans could easily repeal such a law and it the federal government cannot necessarily prevent states from restricting abortion at the state level. Roe v. Wade was a ruling stating that the constitution guaranteed a right to privacy, which included the right to have an abortion. This prevented abortion restrictions in a way federal law cannot. That doesn't mean passing federal law protecting abortion is a bad idea, but it isn't a foolproof protection. It's fair to argue that the Democratic Party and the left of center generally were complacent about abortion. The form of this complacency was not taking the courts seriously, while the right spent fifty years openly filling the courts with anti-abortion judges.

The last thing that worries me is that this is popping up phrased almost the exact same way all over the place. I am afraid that it is not merely incompetence, but intentional misinformation, that is then repeated by the incompetent who believe it.

I know some will probably dismiss this post as being from a "vote harder" liberal Biden supporter, but whatever your feelings about Biden, the Democratic Party, or the democratic process in the U.S., you should care about the truth. The truth is that Roe v. Wade was overturned by Republican-appointed judges and abortion bans are being enacted by Republican elected officials, and Joe Biden opposes these things. You can do with that information whatever you wish, but you denying it is dishonest.

[ardentpoop]

week 3 of

[opencommunion]

white usamerican liberals pretend they want a multicultural society until the multiculturals start talking about how we’re victimized by colonialism and white supremacy. you say you love your diverse city and then harass people with family in palestine for not voting for the man committing genocide against them?? if you want “diversity” you have to swallow the reality that people of color are also human and have our own perspectives and priorities and loved ones to protect, if you want an “international community” you have to treat people outside europe and its white settler colonies with the same respect as your own community, and if you can’t do those things stop claiming to be anything other than a white supremacist

[hussyknee]

Yeah the people in the notes going "obviously the government isn't the people" are missing the point, which is that being white and western and therefore a beneficiary of the colonial order consistently breeds racism and apathy towards the suffering of Black and brown and Global South people. Ireland maybe a little better than the rest of Europe but at the end of the day there's still no incentive to interrogate their privilege. Praising it inordinately for showing the bare minimum of decency allows them to cover up all the ways they're also complicit and uninvested. Give the privileged an inch and they take a mile.

anyway in the past week the irish government has voted down two motions which would have condemned the genocide in gaza.

i need everyone to stop lionising ireland as if its not also a european government with strong ties to the us. american weapons pass through shannon airport and will continue to, because yesterday the motion to stop that was voted down 83 to 50.

other governments have done much more but somehow people still act as though ireland is the ultimate palestinian ally and exempt from criticism on its handling of palestine bc it was once colonised, even though that past experience clearly isnt being taken into account by the irish government when creating policy.

i live here i know there’s a lot of public support and sympathy for palestine, which is great, but that isnt reflected in government, and i think ireland should be treated like other countries whose governments have done nothing.

[genderkoolaid]

desperately need y'all to understand that when i say "no one deserves to be abused, even if they have done extremely harmful things" i am not saying that You, Personally, Must Feel Sad Emotions About Them

i hate this idea we have that feeling a certain away is a requirement to acting a certain way. its the same shit that makes people view low/no-empathy folks as scary/evil/dangerous because they think that acting ethically towards other people requires certain feelings.

i don't think its bad for a white supremacist woman to get horrifically and misogynistically abused by her husband because i like her. it doesn't matter how i feel about her. i have an ethical worldview i choose to follow and part of that is the idea that no one deserves that and everyone deserves support to get away and heal from that. i can both see how harmful her actions have been, and maybe will continue to be, and support people working against the harm of her misogynistic white supremacism, while also acknowledging that she has been unjustly hurt herself and hoping she heals from that (ideally by growing as a person and rejecting those beliefs). it does not matter how i feel, or how cathartic it feels to see her suffer. you don't have to feel sad about a white supremacist getting abused, but you should acknowledge that it's a bad thing and she deserves help and support to escape that.

i will never demand anyone feel a certain emotion, and if i do, i am violating my own beliefs. saying "no one deserves to suffer and its terrible feminism to celebrate misogynistic abuse or to scrutinize whether a victim deserves to be abused based on their own beliefs" is not a command for you to feel sad for anyone. its a call for you to reflect on your actions and whether or not they are ethical and conducive to the goals of feminist liberation.

[ravenkings]

Bernie is wrong. He has always been wrong and is still wrong. The flaw in his theory is what he deems the “wealthy elite” versus what everyday Americans consider them to be. Voters don’t see all billionaires as the elites. They see college-educated liberals on the coasts, some of whom are billionaires, as elites.

Bernie-style populism didn’t land because billionaires figured out long ago they could undermine it by being socially right-wing, and the working class would forgive their wealth and privilege. That’s why this same demographic is willing to make it rain for grifters like Joel Osteen and Pat Robertson. That’s why they worship the wealthiest man on the planet like a God and consider him some real-life Tony Stark. People dismissed Donald Trump as a shameless attention-hungry New York oligarch until he called Mexicans rapists. Then he shot up to the top of the GOP primary polls. The working class didn’t think much of Elon Musk until he said “pronouns suck.” Then he became their hero. A scion of working-class Pennsylvania lost his US Senate seat last week to a hedge fund manager from Connecticut. West Virginia elected their richest man to the Senate after electing him governor – as a Democrat and later a Republican. Ohio tossed out their longtime Democratic senator, known for his strong support of labor rights, for – literally, no joke – a used-car salesman.

You can’t tell me the working class in America thinks being a billionaire alone is what makes one a “wealthy elite.” There are significant factors at play here Bernie is either oblivious to or purposely ignorant of.

In college, a professor once told me that Communism never succeeded in the United States because we are too religious and proud as a country. Religion, traditions, and culture were never widely discredited the way they were in Europe and Asia, where the clergy and nobility kept the bourgeoisie in figurative chains for centuries. The relative ease of social mobility made America unique compared to its Western counterparts. Historically, American progressivism has been focused on expanding social mobility – initially limited to only white men – to identity groups who had been denied it at the start: blacks, women, and immigrants. We have done it, with various amounts of success. While it may seem counterintuitive, Americans pride themselves in being the nation that pioneered the idea that wealth and status can be achieved through ingenuity and hard work and not just based on a lucky roll of the genetic dice, as it was in the Old World. It doesn’t mean we don’t have generational wealth in our country; we do, but since it isn’t the sole way to achieve wealth and power, we don’t care nearly as much about destroying all of it. Further, we will happily endorse it if the oligarchs and the aristocrats vow to promote and protect the social values we care about and the social hierarchy that benefits us.

It’s one of the reasons I believe Bernie could never beat Trump. If you ask working-class people what they want: an anti-immigrant, anti-intellectual billionaire or a Vermont socialist backed by kids from Harvard and UC Berkeley who hate our traditions and customs, the working class will always back the billionaire.

–Nick Rafter, "Bernie Sanders Can Take a Seat"