#north supreme kai

[fireboos99]

I literally do not have anything smart to say here, this drawing literally only happened because my siblings were telling me I should post my brainrot doodles on here, and my anxiety-ridden ass couldn't do it, and decided the only solution was to spend days (read: the entire latter end of April) working on a proper drawing because "if I'm going to post anything on tumblr, it better be a full-ass drawing"

[staerplatinum]

"Straight with that posture! Chin up, and hop!" Guojiu teaching Shin the dance steps for a special ritual!

[rozamasu]

Dragon Ball Z/Super: Comparing and contrasting Goku and Zamasu— two sides of the same coin? (Long post full of yapping!)

The Goku Black arc consistently portrays Black/Zamasu to be ideological parallels to Trunks for obvious reasons (Hope vs Despair, Selfishness vs Selflessness, he's the protagonist of this arc, etc.), but I think it's an interesting exercise to compare Zamasu's journey to Goku's. In my opinion, it really hammers in why Zamasu failed to reach enlightenment and fell from grace besides "mortals = stupid and barbaric" and plain old narcissism.

Everyone knows Goku's story by now, but I want to hone in on the part that I believe Zamasu's own parallels.

The beginning of Z features Goku gradually being introduced to entirely new realms of power and scale. He has to team up with the guy he worked his ass off to defeat 5 years ago just to barely defeat Raditz, a mid class Saiyan, sacrificing his own life in the process.

He is informed constantly by Vegeta that he is nothing but low-class scum, born at the bottom of the interplanetary Saiyan "totem pole", compared to Vegeta's own super-elite-royalty-goodness.

Then, by Namek, he manages to surpass Vegeta, and even trounces the emperor of the universe who subjugated the entire Saiyan race. After Namek, Goku grows so much that the conceptions of "class" that he was blindsided by quickly become faint memories, only brief blips in his life's work to always get stronger.

Not to be the strongest, or even to become "the strongest Saiyan who ever lived", simply to get stronger. Goku's goal is forever ongoing; he will never feel as if his duty is complete. If it ever was, he'd be restless and unsatisfied.

The key thread throughout the Saiyan and Frieza Sagas is that Goku never uses the labels ascribed to him or his opponents as anything more than momentary benchmarks in service of his overarching, everlasting goal to achieve more and more strength. He does not hear Vegeta's boasts about his status and go "okay, guess I'll be good enough once I can beat Vegeta in a 1 on 1, since I'll basically be a super elite!". He hears King Kai's fervent warnings about Frieza's terrible strength and gets curious rather than demotivated.

He doesn't use either of these as an excuse to run away or quit training.

In fact, Goku never uses anything as an excuse. He is not married to any sort of arbitrary benchmark of strength (that honor goes to Chi Chi), even in Super as he gains power that rivals Gods of Destruction.

To treat a level of strength, or a class (God of Destruction, Angel, Super Elite, Emperor of the Universe) as a stopping point for Goku or some sort of ultimate goal would imply that Goku's desire for strength has a defined end. But it doesn't, and so Goku doesn't put much stock into those things. He never loses sight of his goal, and he literally doesn't even stop training when he's dead.

As for Zamasu, the beginning of his journey is why I thought to juxtapose him with Goku in the first place. He shares a surprising similarity with early Z Goku, in that both were able to achieve greater statuses than their birth would afford them.

Zamasu started off as a normal Kai, the guardian of a universal quadrant (the North, same as King Kai). In terms of Dragon Ball's divine hierarchy, this is actually quite the low standing. It is the second lowest known class of Gods, only ranking above planetary deities like Kami and Dende. If a Core Person (Kai race) is born from a rare, special golden fruit, only then will they be qualified enough to train to be a Supreme Kai.

Zamasu is the only known canon example of a normal Kai being selected to become a Supreme Kai, and so his exceptional ascension up the divine hierarchy is a natural parallel to Goku's own defiance of his low-class nature and his comparatively low power level at birth.

Unlike Goku, however, Zamasu is absolutely obsessed with and bound by certain labels, which ultimately leads to his ideological downfall.

Firstly, we can see his fixation on the idea of godhood when he speaks to Gowasu.

When Gowasu simply tells him to temper himself and observe mortals, he immediately begins focusing on and belittling the gods' philosophy, almost outright saying "what the gods think does NOT align with justice". The way he phrases these sentences in both the dub and sub is key: he says "I thought you'd teach me justice, but...", which creates a juxtaposition between "divinity" and "REAL justice".

He even begins to doubt that a god could be considered a god if they did not align with his definition of justice.

Zamasu is young and inexperienced for a Kai (especially considering regular Kais have far shorter biological lifespans than Supreme Kais), so the reactions he displays in this scene suggest that he had a very romanticized, linear view of both godhood and justice. When Gowasu's statement suggests to Zamasu that he can't reconcile the two, it basically calls out all that Zamasu currently stands for, and he doesn't take it well.

Gowasu ends the discussion by challenging Zamasu's narrowminded belief that gods are "absolute" and perfect, but by then the two are already unable to get through to one another.

If you look at the other gods in Dragon Ball, you'll see what Gowasu means here. For example, Beerus is lazy, temperamental, and childish; none of the other gods really like him. Elder Kai is a lecher. Champa is rather undignified and just as temperamental as Beerus.

Where Goku seeks strength, Zamasu seeks virtue. Yet, unlike Goku, Zamasu has an arbitrary benchmark at where his objective stops: the abstract concept of "godhood".

When Zamasu reaches that endpoint and finds that it's not all it's cracked up to be, he constantly contorts his definition of divinity to match it— or rather, to match himself— rather than accepting that being a god is not equivalent to having a "perfect" sense of justice, or being "perfect" in general. He commits barbaric, brutal, bloodthirsty, and wanton acts, all in the name of "divine justice", despite those things being less becoming of gods and more becoming of mortals.

The dilemma extends to the very end of the arc, where in the dub Corrupted Merged Zamasu says to Vegetto: "If one can't control a world, one can't be called a god of it", instantly justifying his hypocrisy, his sadism, his violence, and his arrogance instead of looking inward and asking himself what it meant to be a god.

Like Gowasu said, Zamasu was "obsessed with the contradictions of gods and mortals", and as Trunks said, "it isn't about gods or mortals". Zamasu was so enamored with the idea and label of godhood, yet did not question whether or not his values, the values of his future counterpart, or the values of the other gods aligned with it. And how could he have questioned it if he didn't truly know what godhood meant himself— if he just used the idea as a synonym for what he believed?

Where Goku saw arbitrary labels as inconsequential to his overarching quest, Zamasu saw his life be entirely dictated by them. Zamasu allowed himself to be entrenched in the god-mortal dichotomy, whereas Goku's nature would never allow him to lose his big-picture goal like that.

When Goku's reality is challenged, whether by the introduction of some groundless measure of value (power level, Saiyan class) or by a vastly stronger opponent, he doesn't flinch. He doesn't stop. He doesn't make excuses. His overall goal doesn't change.

When Zamasu's reality was challenged, he broke and became everything he hated. He bent and twisted the rules of what he considered "just", and shattered the natural divine order by doing away with all Gods of Destruction. His goal, by then, was unrecognizable compared to his previous goal to be a benevolent Supreme Kai.

Where Goku's triumphs led him to continue being diligent and humble, Zamasu's own led him to be stagnant and arrogant. Even though Zamasu was proactive and cunning, he was stagnant in the sense that none of what he did made him more moral or virtuous, or gave him a greater understanding of the universe, even though those were the things he originally sought when studying under Gowasu.

All he did was further embed himself (literally, with Future Zamasu) within his own radical beliefs; he never progressed towards his original goal because he replaced it with "I am THE God, no more gods are needed, I will exterminate all mortals personally". His arrogance and inability to see gods as flawed beings made him lose the plot.

Goku continued working hard and getting stronger after vanquishing Frieza, whereas Zamasu's entitlement made him become a complete shell of himself.

Goku saw his growth from low-class warrior to Legendary Super Saiyan to be a testament to everything he stood for; the desire to protect and avenge his friends, his inherited Saiyan pride from Vegeta, and most importantly, his neverending journey to get stronger. Zamasu saw his ascension from North Kai to Supreme Kai as an excuse. A stopping point. An "okay, I've reached the pinnacle of the virtue I seek", refusing to accept that there was more beyond the arbitrary value and moral standing he placed on the role of a god, refusing to think mortals could ever possibly learn, and refusing to think gods could ever need to learn.

Zamasu is a dark reflection of Goku— Son Goku is everything that Zamasu is not. Zamasu is the opposite of many reasons that Goku is such a distinct and unique character, and that makes both of them all the more compelling.

[muses-of-the-memory]

Everyone was gathered at the Conton City Square, just as the Supreme Kai of Time had told everyone to arrive as she and Tokitoki showed up. "He'll be here... any second." She spoke to the crowd.

I then leap down from the Time Miniature of the old Sector V Treehouse and land at the Town Square as Android 21 flew down. "Hey guys. Something going on?" I asked to the group.

"SURPRISE! HAPPY BIRTHDAY!" They all shouted showing the decorations and food they brought for the party. "Aww, you guys." I said seeing everyone was gathered for my birthday.

As everyone was partying, someone started to loom over Gotenks and Chronoa. Tokitoki started to screech to see the humongous being behind. "Mr. Heart! What're YOU doing here?" Gotenks asked. "How'd he get here?" Chronoa asked

P.J.'s Birthday

Majin PJ, the Time Hero of Conton City was waking up in his room in the old KND Sector V Treehouse, and saw his prototype kwami, Inky and Android 21 as he woke up.

"Hey there, buddy!" Inky shouted as I jumped a little. "Hey, relax. It's just us, 21 and Inky." Android 21 spoke. "Mind giving me space to get up? I asked.

"Sorry. Come with us. The Supreme Kai of Time's got something to show you at the Town Square." Android 21 said. "Can I come, at least?" Inky asked. "Well, sure... Just stay out of sight." I said to Inky as he hid in his pants pocket.

Tagged by: @theherothestars, @the-world-hopper, @bluemajingirl

[raditzgarden]

notes abt kais & supreme kais 2 self

readmore cuz m' tagging for organization (srry tags)

KAIOSHINS + KAIS

Every universe has Kais of 4 directions (North, East, South, West) - Kais are born from normal apples & not a golden one. These apples can be susceptible to certain dangers & possible disruption likely causing more unstable Kai (ref. Zamasu) -They're looked over & taught by the Grand Kai, whom one can be appointed as the successor of. - Kais can become apprentices to Supreme Kai to be their successor; there is now a background check process to see ones mental health. - North, east, south, west are simply the directions of the universe these kai will observe. Observing & Supervising the living worlds of their quadrant. - The Kais are alone at their posts. Some more isolated than others. (Doubt loneliness is suited for everyone) They might have visits with each other & head back to the Sacred World when able.

Every universe has a Supreme Kai, God of Destruction, & Angel attendant to said god. -Supreme Kai are born from golden apples & fruit, do not relax, these apples too can be susceptible to the same issues as Kai's. Their added bonus is their golden peels + interiors, protecting them and keeping many pure even with bruised apples. -Similar to their Kai counterparts they can oversee any living world where they differ is their observation & supervision of the "Other World" -They work alongside their God of Destruction, likely informing them of what planets are due for destruction; possibly advising them as well. --POWERS-- -Possess the power of creation to a galactic level, manifesting objects from nothing & the ability to heal living beings -Some have advance knowledge in various areas, fighting, martial arts, technology, etc. -Can teleport via the phrase "Kai Kai" -Can read minds via telepathy & speak to said minds -Telekinesis recorded -Time travel (These guys just keep adding onto their prowess wow) -Fusion (Which I'm still trying to understand fully, various ways to do it) -Godly Ki (The kind people here tell me its just a more divine energy that can be masked) - & Likely more things outside my knowledge as of right now.

There use to be a process in which like their Kai counterparts, 4 directions of Supreme Kai would be together & mentored under one Supreme Kai. After the "Majin Tragedy" a new order was put in place: - One active supreme kai, they may have an attendant. (Though in my opinion it's technically two with the point below) - Elderly Supreme Kai may remain in their post even after their student is given their position, they become a mentor & elder to be respected. Both the active Supreme Kai & attendant will aid this kai and help care for them in their older age.

SACRED WORLD & ACADEMY RESIDING IN "NULL REALM" OR MULTIVERSE - Kais & Kaioshins reside on a planet known as the "Sacred World", on this planet they're not referred to with such titles as they're considered "core people" as they're born from fruit cores. (It's like a cute pun) - The people born to be Kais & Kaioshins are taken to "Kai Temple" (Titled as such due to the buildings structure, I've heard others just call it the temple) -It is at the "Kai Temple" they are overseen and mentored by the Kais suited for their divinity. IE. Kais = Grand Kai Supreme Kai = Grand Supreme Kai (Creative I know.) - Live what's been described as leisurely lives as "Sacred World" is very peaceful & pristine usually. -What well call the "Academy" is described as a grandiose castle structure. They study various things, likely pertaining to interests and their professions as Kais. (At least I hypothesize, to put things in an allegory they're the rich kids who attend private schools with ensured jobs in big corp.)

A WARNING TO KEEP IN MIND Kais & their Supreme counterparts tend to only intervene when the balance of the universe & planets are at risk. It's a common belief if Supreme Kai is spotted in a mortal space that a bad omen is ahead. Keep eyes out for possible Destruction God's & Angel sightings if you see a Supreme Kai.

Kais themself cannot physically come, but many report hearing their voices, guidance, & advice during these times which at times helped, at times did nothing, & at most misfortunate made it worse. !They say you should report to someone if you hear the voice of a kai! FINAL THOUGHTS, IDEAS, & NOTES.

The divine beings of this reality are very much a curious case & unlike other I've come across albeit our old dead reality wasn't under full divine control like this one. They keep a very rigorous strict system in place valuing tradition... But it does seem with newer generations more progressive & open minded policies have been adapted which is always a win. Luckily they can still live casually outside of the responsibility of oversite and creation as they only intervene when absolutely needed, or working alongside their God of Destruction. I'm glad to learn more about this world and the beings who reside on it especially as we were graciously given a place of refuge and sanctuary, I just have to stop being so timid and venture out the temple and maybe check out the school. (But I'm really really shy and awkward at meeting people let alone divine religious figures.) SIGNOUT Dove, Age 782 of Galactic Date, 4/1/?? on Earth.

[yeetspace]

So here's some more of that Dragon Ball "Universe 14" stuff:

So basically, the kaio/kaioshin situation is switched up only slightly, in the fact that the Kaio and Kaioshin ranks have both been merged making all four of them as much more hands on attendants to their respective quadrant being both physical and spiritual representatives, leaving only the Grand and Grand-Supreme Kai(s)

Here is

Tsuntaru, the South Kai (left) (he/him)

-name derives from "Tarhunz" the Luwain rain god

-a seeming Glind

Suaideguite, the North Kai (right) (they/them)

-name derives from "Agdists" an Anatolian (???) god

-a... Whatever King Kai (universe 7's North Kaio) is

Suuriasute, the East Kai (top) (he/him)

-name derives from Aristaeus, a greek food cultivating god (bee keeping, wine making, cheese making, olive growing etc.)

-an ogre like Yemma but little

Terudeme, the West Kai (bottom) (she/her)

-name derives from Demeter, greek nature godess

-concerning for what that implies about Tsuntaru, very much more obviously a Glind

[sweetescapeartist]

Is that... IS THAT A FREEZA RACE MEMBER IN THE BUU SAGA!? 🤯

Turns out that Freeza knowing about Majin Buu in Resurrection F wasn't as random as we thought. There's actually a connection between Freeza's people and Majin Buu in the original manga.

Dragon Ball chapter 445 shows what appears to be a deceased Freeza race member when the Supreme Kai is talking about the planets that were once devastated by Majin Buu thousands of years ago.

Then, in Resurrection F (the movie and the saga) Freeza has knowledge of Majin Buu.

Perhaps, the stories of Majin Buu's terror were passed down from generation to generation and this is how King Cold & then Freeza knew of Majin Buu. 🤔

So, it appears that Toriyama used this manga only scene of a Freeza Race member who was slain by Majin Buu as retroactive connective tissue in order to explain why Freeza knew of Majin Buu in the Resurrection F story.

Just something I noticed. I haven't heard anyone point this out yet, so I thought I should share this with y'all.

EXTRA THOUGHTS:

For some reason, in DBZ EP 219, the anime inserts a scene with planets blowing up instead of a scene of a deceased Freeza Race member.

This is the overlooked third Freeza race member shown in the main series. Freeza, King Cold, and then this unnamed ancient member of the Freeza race.

I dont take issue with Freeza and King Cold having knowledge of Majin Buu & Lord Beerus. The Galactic Patrol had knowledge of both, so it makes sense for the Cold/Freeza Empire to know as well. Aliens who had contact with Buu or Beerus would know of them too and spread legends about them. Furthermore, only certain groups of those aliens would know how truthful those legends in fact were.

I theorize that Freeza's race likely hail from a part of the universe far far away from Earth. Since the Tortoise is the Celestial Emblem of the North cosmic direction, and the North Galaxy of Dragon Ball is home of the Turtle School... I THEORIZE that Emperor Freeza's people might have hailed from South Galaxy. This theory of mine is due to the Celestial Emblem's Red Bird of the South cosmic direction is associated with Imperial power, knowledge, & is often depicted to be at odds with the Dragon (ect, ect). But, this is simply speculation on my part. Maybe we will find out one day.

[izunias-meme-hole]

Top 10 Dragon Ball Villains

Number 1. Cell - Cell is a Perfect villain. He’s got the traits of 3 main villains (Piccolo, Vegeta, & Frieza), along with some Goku elements in the mix, and it makes sense when you remember that he’s an android with the cells of the universes strongest fighters. Also he’s got the ability to absorb people, can perfectly copy techniques that would take years to learn, has quite the suave and charming personality in his perfect form, is extremely funny and snarky sometimes, is terrifying a lot of the time, and overall Cell was designed to be the endgame villain of Z, before Toriyama was asked to write the Buu Saga. Also he’s the SECOND villain from Z to be brought into Super, excluding Buu, only that time he’s now this Shin Godzilla inspired monstrosity with the appearance of his second form. Even in THAT state he was frightening! He’s on the same level as Frieza, but is held back by the fact that he was basically an endgame type of villain put in a penultimate setting. Still, he was and is the PERFECT, Non-Frieza, Dragon Ball villain from the get so in terms of concept and execution.

Number 2. Frieza - What else is there to say about this douchebag that hasn’t been said already? Frieza is one of the most terrifying, entitled, ruthless, fake, genocidal, petty, vile, legitimately racist, and unapologetically evil villains to ever roam fiction, and yet he is still entertaining as all hell. Every word he utters is either filled with malice or sleezy, and when karma hits him in the face it’s all well deserved. God this bastard is a great hateable villain.

Number 3. Zamasu/Goku Black - Cheers to the first villain that ACTUALLY sees himself as the hero in this series. Zamasu is a pompous asshole of a Supreme Kai with a god complex that stole Goku’s body in the future, and is hellbent on eradicating all mortals with the help of an immortal alternate timeline version of himself. At first he was Universe 10′s North Kai, meaning that he was watching mortals from afar, before becoming the apprentice of the Supreme Kai, Gowasu. However he wholeheartedly believes that mortals will always be violent savages who only exist to destroy, and the only reason why he became Gowasu’s apprentice was to change that. However after finding out about the existence of Goku, it didn’t take long for the growing darkness in his heart to drive him to come up with the idea to steal Goku’s body and create the “Zero Mortal Plan.” Zamasu himself acts very formal and humble, but he’s self-righteous and is preachy as all hell, both in the main timeline and the alternate future. Then there’s Goku Black, a self righteous prick of a god, and utter lunatic who enjoys the thrill of the fight, and the bloodshed that comes with it, played by none other than Goku’s english and japanese voice actors. And finally there’s Merged Zamasu, the fusion between Goku Black and the alternate Zamasu, and Zamasu’s truest self. A genocidal, self righteous, mad deity willing to do anything to ensure that his twisted sense of justice prevails. So in spite having a diabolos ex-machina ending to his arc, Zamasu is on the same level as Frieza and Cell.

Number 4. Demigra (Xenoverse & Heroes) - I wasn’t big on him at first, but I realized that this guy was a good antagonist for Xenoverse & Heroes. Sure he only appears midway through the story, but he makes up for that by being quite the threat. Demigra was the former Supreme Kai of Time, before getting booted out of his position for some shady shit, and landing in the place that would soon become the Demon Realm. In short, he’s basically some kind of REAL Demon God, a true Satan figure, unlike Dabura and King Piccolo. So he continues to go on raiding the Time Nest, before being sealed away, but the more distortions in history happened, the closer he became to being free. Heck even while imprisoned, he could summon mirages of himself to alter history by corrupting allies like Piccolo, powering up foes like Buu, or straight up trying to piss off and control The God of Destruction! Oh and did I forget to mention that he revels in every bit of torment he causes, so he truly lives up to being a devil in that part. If you think he sounds like some Dragon Quest, Chrono Cross, Final Fantasy, or Fire Emblem villain, I wouldn’t blame you, but I think that’s what makes him stand out compared to other villains in the series. In short, Demigra is offputting at first, but that nature makes him stand out in a pretty good way. It’s such a shame he’s not in the mainline series.

Number 5. Vegeta (Saiyan Saga) - Vegeta was at his best in Z, ESPECIALLY when he was the main villain of the Saiyan Saga. That arrogance, that persistence, that pride in being a living weapon, and the fear factor he brought to the table is truly unforgettable. God I miss having legit Saiyans as cruel as hell villains.

Number 6. Broly (DBS) - The Non-Canon Z Broly was a pyschotic jock, and an okay villain who was motivated by an infant crying and being stabbed by King Vegeta. The canonical version of the character however is a lot less of a kill happy sadist and more of a gentle soul with the body and power of 50 nukes that he has no control over. He’s not truly a bad guy, but he was still a main antagonist, mostly because his horrid ass father, Paragus ordered him to fight Goku and Vegeta, and Frieza cause him to snap twice in the same day. Plus when he snaps and rages, he SNAPS AND RAGES LIKE A WILD ANIMAL. Sure he was only a villain for like one movie, but his time as an out of control weapon is still great. Congrats Toriyama on making a weak ass non-canon villain into one of Super’s best antagonists.

Number 7. Piccolo (OG Dragon Ball) - Before Piccolo was the team dad and the braincell of the Z Fighters, he was the Demon King Piccolo, the evil half of the namekian, Kami, and Goku’s greatest foe. He was terrifying at times, but he also had this level of theatircality to him. Also, in terms of “Big Bad Satan” Archetypes, as King Piccolo, he was pretty good. After he’s offed by a kid Goku. However King Piccolo spat out an egg at the a few seconds before he died, and a few years later we get to King Piccolo’s reborn self, simply named Piccolo Jr, a younger and stronger copy of himself with his soul and memories intact, who’s out get revenge on Goku. And after being defeated for the second time, they became rivals, a few years later in Z they team up against Raditz, Piccolo takes in Gohan, and the rest of his well written redemption arc is histoy.

Number 8. Beerus - He’s a cat destroyer god with the personality of a cat, how was he NOT a good villain? He only eats, sleeps, blows up planets, and acts like an ass. Like this guy tried to blow up earth after his pudding got eaten by Majin Buu! Sure he’s not an active villain, and he’s currently on Goku and the Z-Fighers side, but let’s be glad it’s staying that way.

Number 9. Cooler - He’s basically Frieza’s pompus, envious, and slightly insecure older brother. Literally anything one could say about Frieza can qualify to Cooler, however there’s noticeable differences, outside of the more masculine appearance. He’s less got less of a faux politeness, actually inspires loyalty in his soldiers, and is a lot more pragmatic in general. However, just like his brother, he falls into similar traps.

Number 10. Android 21/Vomi - Ah yes, this bitch. Android 21 was the main villain of Fighterz, and a pretty damn good one. She’s kinda like a mix between Majin Buu and Launch from the OG series, with some scientist elements sprinkled inbetween. By that I mean she’s got two different personalities, a calm and collected scientist with some semblance of a heart, and a literal pyschotic power hungry monster that can absorb people by turning them into sweets. Out of all the modern DB villains, she’s one of the better ones. Oh, she also is designed after Dr Gero’s wife, Yomi.

[kaioshin-kai]

sobbing at Daisy

please write more about Zamasu and his little princess ;o;

I will! I actually owe fan fiction requests from like 3 months ago.

Maybe this will interest you, anon.

I will eventually write about North Kai Zamasu:

-Some shots of his childhood here and there.

-How he lived his life. With Daisy.

-Explain what regular kais do while writing his life as a north kai.

-Explain the differences between pain fruit shinjins and golden fruit shinjins. How it gave him internal struggles.

-Angst. I headcanon that Zamasu has NPD and autism. In one part, I will write conflict.

-The day where things brighten up greatly; the day where he's promoted to being an apprentice to his Supreme Kai. Something he couldn't believe at first because he hatched from the plain fruit

-The final bits will also foreshadow the future or something

It sounds like something really big but it's like... prolly just done within a few days LOL... i just need the mood for this but if it's done, it's done. I will also design U10's South kai, East kai, and West kai.

[neenack]

Lmao I'm a little confused about the kaioshin story after reading fandom.com and the likes of wikipedia. Kai (regular apple and golden apple) are born from the fruit of the World Tree and seem to go to different schools to learn????? And there are 5 kaios, 4 of which rule the sides of the world in the galaxy, the fifth is the kaioshin and they oversee their universe.

I'm now wondering where the “world tree” itself is and how the kaioshins end up in their universes? From what I understand, before Buu's attack, Shin had a semblance of a family of 4 and they all kept track of the quadrants of the universe. After Buu, Shin was left all alone and he became the kaioshin of his universe?????

Hey anon, thanks for sending me an ask! I've never gotten one of these before so this should be fun! 😄

Already, you make me feel like a Kaioshin expert, but I just recently caught up with Dragon Ball and discovered who they were, so I'm kinda in the same boat as you lol

To answer your questions, yeah, there was a Kai for each quadrant of Universe 7 (North, South, East, West) as well as a Dai Kaioshin/Grand Supreme Kai. Shin pretty much became the de facto Kaioshin/Supreme Kai of his universe after Buu's attack in the Kai world.

Apparently, all the information about Kai being born from the fruit of the World Tree and then going to school, etc. originates from supplementary material that had an interview with Toriyama in it as far as I know. I don't think any of it has found its way into the main canon but as it stands, the only facts(?) we know about the Kais are just words of god and haven't been fully confirmed. There's a chance Daima could expand on Kai lore, but there's still so much we don't know about it yet. It's too early to say but fingers crossed!

This is pretty much what I presume is on the wiki already, but here's a translation of the guidebook that has the info on the Kais, the World Tree, and the interview with Toriyama. I hope that helps! ^^

[bigchampa]

After that random attendant.

We have the four directional supreme Kais.

First up is north or Lyra. A long haired very busty Kai who is constantly bugged for milk by her GOD. It tastes like apple cider.

Definitely one of Champa's favorites for that reason. Sometimes, he'd drink it straight from the source because of how addicting it is.

[duhragonball]

Dragon Ball Super 031

When Jaco and Bulma team up, anything could happen!   (Narrator: Nothing happened.)

Let’s try to go over Bulma’s plan here.  The upcoming Destroyer Invitational Tournament will decide who gets control over the Super Dragon Balls.  If Champa wins, he plans to wish for the Earth of Universe 7 to switch places with the dead Earth of Universe 6.  If Beerus wins... who knows?  But Bulma doesn’t want to find out.  Since Champa is the God of Destruction from U6, Bulma believes that there’s a second set of Super Dragon Balls in Universe 7.  So she aims to track them down and use them to undo any destructive wishes Beerus or Champa might have in mind. 

To do this, she needs a radar powerful enough to detect the Super Dragon Balls, and she also needs to take it to the center of the universe, where she can use the radar’s range will be as effective as possible.  So she calls in Jaco to take her there.  Except Jaco works for the Galactic Patrol.  Their ships aren’t designed to cover the vast distances from one galaxy to another.  They only operate inside of the one galaxy they’re in. 

Okay, a couple things.  First, I like that this detail is acknowledged in the story.  A lot of sci-fi/space fantasy franchises fail to recognize just how big space is.  Well, specifically, I’m thinking of DC and Marvel Comics.  The Green Lantern Corps divided the universe into 3600 sectors, then assigned a handful of GL’s to patrol each one, and somehow seven or eight of them always wind up sticking close to one planet in one galaxy in one sector.   If I remember right, their headquarters is located at the center of the universe, and Hal Jordan just zips back and forth like it’s no big deal. He also constantly runs into colleagues from other sectors, but, again, space is huge.  Aside from staff meetings on Oa, you would expect him to live out his entire lifespan without ever seeing a Green Lantern from another space sector.  Meanwhile, all of Marvel’s big intergalactic powers rule over entire galaxies.  The Skrulls have the Andromeda Galaxy, and the Kree have theirs and the Shi’ar have theirs.  I’ve lost track of all that lore, so maybe Marvel introduced some shitty new aliens called the Dipshittors to build on that concept, but the point is that the Avengers and Fantastic Four will just fly out to fight those guys whenever it’s convenient. 

Star Trek and Star Wars get it right, because those stories take place in one galaxy.  There’s like one episode where the Enterprise went to another galaxy and it was this insane thing that happened.  Maybe the new shows play with that idea more, but fuck the new Trek shows.  Scott Bakula’s dog can kiss my ass.  The point is that because those shows are confined to one galaxy, they don’t spent a lot of time talking about how impractical it is to go to a different galaxy.  It just never gets brought up. 

But that leads me to my second thing I want to talk about: Jaco seems to imply that Universe 7 is a lot bigger than we’ve heard in the past.  Maybe it’s just the dub, and I’m in no mood to go back and check the subtitles, but he talks about the multitudes of other galaxies in the universe, and how unbelievably far away it all is, and I feel like that conflicts with the cozy four-galaxy scenario introduced in Dragon Ball Z.   Earth is in the North Galaxy, overseen by the King Kai of the North, while the East, South, and West Galaxies are overseen by their own King Kais. 

Then again, I’m not sure how that was all established.  It comes up in the original Broly movie, which is mostly set in the South Galaxy, which all of the characters are able to reach without much trouble.  It also comes up in the Otherworld Tournament arc, because they have to explain who the other three Kais are. 

But I don’t know that it gets much play in the original manga.  Like, South Kai appears in the manga, and the Grand Kai is mentioned, and Kid Buu’s origin story refers to other Supreme Kais who used to work alongside Shin.  But I’d have to check to see if there’s any mention of just four galaxies.  Maybe it’s a Toei invention. 

Anyway, Jaco suggests an alternative: Visit the world of Master Zuno and ask him about the Super Dragon Balls.  I don’t see how that solves anything, though.  Zuno’s gimmick is that he knows everything, and he certainly seems to know everything, but even if he tells Bulma exactly where the Super Dragon Balls are, they could still lie far beyond the North Galaxy, and so they’re completely out of her reach.   Also, the SBD’s are the size of planets.  How was she planning to gather them all together?

Now, most of this episode is Jaco making cracks about Bulma’s age, and Bulma beating the absolute shit out of him for it.  Also, he tries to turn the tables on her by accelerating his ship really fast, but he winds up making himself nauseous as well.  They seem to utterly despise one another, and it’s not much fun watching them interact. 

I mean, for all intents and purposes, this episode is a direct sequel to the Jaco manga.  There’s even a flashback to the chapter where Jaco met Bulma, and she repaired his ship and flew it around Professor Omori’s island.

But the Jaco in that story was a lot more calm and collected, more of a detached observer of humanity.  We see him here freaking out about Tights’ little sister joyriding in his ship, but I’m pretty sure he was only mildly irritated about it in the manga.  The most upset Jaco ever got in the manga was whenever that police sketch came up. 

But now, in Dragon Ball Super, he’s become this cowardly little twerp.  At the beginning of this episode, he vents his frustrations with a little target practice, and accidentally destroys a space monument, which he tries to pin on a wanted fugitive in the area.  And that seems authentic for Jaco, but when he gets to Earth, all he does is try to find some excuse to leave, and when that doesn’t work he trades barbs with Bulma and lets her whoop his ass. 

Which is a shame, because there was something much more humanist about the original Jaco story.  It was about how the characters grew after working together and helping one another.  Jaco’s kind of a dick, and Omori was kind of a bitter misanthrope, but they still cared about one another because their better nature overcame their anti-social tendencies. 

This episode might have tried to hearken back to that theme, but it just doesn’t happen.  When they get to Zuno’s planet, Bulma and Jaco discover there’s a seven year waiting list just to ask Zuno a question.  Then they see this red frog dude show up for his appointment, and Jaco recognizes him as the crook he heard about earlier. 

So Jaco has a choice to make.  If he arrests this guy, he can open a spot on Zuno’s schedule and skip to the front of the line.  However, bringing in this frog guy might expose his lie about the destruction of that space monument.  On the other hand, the frog dude recognizes Jaco as a space cop, but he’s waited seven years for this appointment, and he decides to just play it cool and hope Jaco doesn’t recognize him. 

And Jaco... lets him go.  The frog dude was wanted for dine-and-dash crimes, so it’s not like he’s a violent offender or anything.  In fact, the reason he came to this planet was to ask Zuno how to dine-and-dash without getting caught.  That’s how into dine-and-dash this guy is.  For all his bluster, Jaco isn’t a model patrolman, and besides, this is his day off.  And Bulma’s mission is her problem, not his, so he doesn’t want to risk getting in trouble with his superiors over this. 

But then Bulma tells him they’ll just have to go home and take their chances on Beerus’ wish, and that spurs him into action.

Frog dude tries to take a hostage, but Jaco defeats him with ease, and Zuno’s attendants give him an immediate audience with Zuno out of gratitude.  This s basically the climax of the episode, and it’s presented like some character developing moment for Jaco, except... it really doesn’t work.  Maybe he took action because he didn’t like the idea of letting Bulma down, or he couldn’t stand the thought of failing a mission, or something like that.  But it looks more like he was more frightened of Beerus using the Super Dragon Balls than he was of getting in trouble at work.   And that’s not much of a conflict to build your story around. 

As for Zuno, well, he’s another alien like his attendants, only he has an even bigger head.  You have to kiss him before he’ll answer your questions.  Since Jaco’s a man, Zuno only gives him one question.  Jaco wastes it on a pointless demonstration.  He asks Zuno what Bulma’s bust size is, and he not only gives and answer, but extrapolates what Bulma’s bust size used to be before she got older.   He should have asked why the animators keep drawing Bulma’s blue jeans so weird in every episode. 

As for Bulma, she gets three questions, because she’s a lady, and Zuno is horny, I guess.  So this is just the same gag they used thirty years ago with Master Roshi.  Bulma wastes a question asking if Zuno will answer her questions.  Then she asks him to tell her about the Super Dragon Balls, and when he’s finished, she summarizes it all and asks if she got it right, and Zuno counts that as her third question.    Bulma offers to kiss him some more, but her time is up.

So the only useful information that came out of the whole trip was this: There’s only one set of Super Dragon Balls, which are scattered across Universes 6 and 7.  So Bulma’s plan was doomed from the start, because Champa already has most of the one set secured, and there’s no other SDB’s out there to use.  This also means that Champa must have been trespassing into Universe 7 to collect the SDB’s, since at least some of them must have been there.  But that hardly matters, since we already knew Champa had been lurking around behind the scenes.   We saw him destroy a planet, and then Beerus ran into him during the Golden Frieza battle.  Also, Beerus doesn’t care, since he plans to win the Super Dragon Balls in this tournament anyway. 

So this was all a pointless aside.  I guess this shot of Goku copping a squat with Jaco is kind of neat.  They didn’t interact much during the Res F stuff, so this is the first indication that they’ve met.

Also, Bulma gives Jaco some dairy products for the road, so I guess they don’t hate each other that much.

Oh, and this is the episode where Goku and Vegeta talk about how they like their feisty, feisty wives, and Vegeta says it’s because Saiyans are genetically predisposed to this.  And Piccolo’s astonished to hear this, and I really don’t know why he, of all people, would care.

[dontmeantobepoliticalbut]

North Carolina on Monday became the 40th state to expand Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act, the latest sign of how Republican opposition to the health measure has weakened more than a decade after President Barack Obama signed it into law.

Gov. Roy Cooper, a Democrat, signed legislation expanding the state’s Medicaid program during a sunny afternoon ceremony on the lawn of the Executive Mansion, days after the Republican-controlled legislature gave final approval to the measure. He was surrounded by patients, advocates and some of the same Republican leaders who had previously blocked expansion in the state.

The bill will expand Medicaid to adults who make less than 138% of the federal poverty level, or about $41,000 for a family of four. State officials say the expansion will cover an estimated 600,000 people. It will take effect when the state adopts a budget, likely by June, Mr. Cooper said in an interview before the signing ceremony.

“Today is a historic step toward a healthier North Carolina,” the governor declared before signing the measure. When a reporter pressed him on when the expansion would take effect, he said, “It’s only a question of when, not if.”

It has been nearly 11 years since the Supreme Court ruled that states did not have to expand Medicaid — the government health insurance program for low-income people — under the Affordable Care Act. Nearly half the states opted out. More recently, progressives have helped to expand Medicaid in seven states — all of them with either Republican-controlled or divided governments — by putting the question directly to voters; in November, South Dakota adopted Medicaid expansion via the ballot box.

But getting Republican elected officials to abandon their opposition to expanding the program has not been easy. The last state where a Republican-controlled legislature voted to expand Medicaid was Virginia, in 2018. The governor at the time was a Democrat, Ralph Northam.

The battle over Medicaid has been particularly intense in North Carolina. Supporters of expansion conducted hundreds of “Moral Mondays” protests at the State Capitol. In 2014, the Republican mayor of a town that lost its hospital walked all the way to Washington to build support for expansion.

Monday’s bill signing leaves just 10 states — all with divided or Republican leadership, and most of them in the South — that have yet to expand Medicaid. Advocates say they now have their sights set on Alabama, where Gov. Kay Ivey, a Republican, can expand her state’s program with her own authority.

In North Carolina, there are various reasons for Republicans’ recent change of heart. Much of the opposition in the state and elsewhere has been both ideological and partisan — a reflection of Republicans’ deep distaste for Mr. Obama. But it is now clear that the Affordable Care Act, known as Obamacare, is here to stay. Republicans in Washington have been unable to repeal the law and appear to have largely given up fighting it, helping to pave the way for expansion in North Carolina.

“The argument that this is somehow an endorsement of Obamacare is losing a lot of political currency, even among conservatives,” said Frederick Isasi, the executive director of Families USA, a health care advocacy group based in Washington.

Hospitals, especially struggling rural ones, are eager for the extra revenue that Medicaid reimbursement will bring. The federal government picks up 90% of the costs of reimbursement under the expansion, and in North Carolina, hospitals will pay the other 10%. The state has revamped its Medicaid program, moving it from a fee-for-service program to one that relies on managed care — a long-sought goal of Republicans.

“This has been a long day coming, but it’s been as a result of a lot of reforms,” Tim Moore, the Speaker of the state’s House of Representatives and a Republican, said during the signing ceremony. The changes, he said, “allowed us to be in the position that we’re in today to be able to expand this coverage.”

For Mr. Cooper, who is in his second term and has been mentioned as a possible future Democratic candidate for Senate or even president, the bill signing was a significant victory. He sought to expand Medicaid when he first took office in 2017, and Republicans sued in federal court to stop him from doing it.

The push for expansion picked up steam last year, when the state’s House and Senate approved separate measures. But the two chambers were unable to reconcile differences.

The signing ceremony on Monday was at turns poignant and celebratory. Cassandra Brooks, who operates Little Believer’s Academy, a day care center in the Raleigh area, choked back tears as she recalled two of her teachers who had died, she said, because they could not afford health care.

“They were excellent early childhood teachers who didn’t have health insurance and passed away due to preventable health conditions,” she said. She cast the expansion measure as a boon to small businesses that operate on thin margins and cannot afford to offer their employees coverage.

“Here’s to Medicaid expansion in North Carolina,” she said. “Here’s to supporting small business in North Carolina. Here’s to continued growth in North Carolina. I believe in North Carolina.”

[frostyduo]

°Hmmmmm.... I think i do understand. That sure is an odd game, isn't it? Hm... I would have included myself as option, but not sure if it is even allowed...

And including likes of Goku is simple, as he will be tossed at kill...

There arent many i know from the seventh, yet alone sixth, but i think i know.

Sin, marry, kill

Supreme kai Shin, Whis, Sheldon. Tho... i think he nowadays uses different name... He must be the north kai of seventh.°

(OOC: I headcanon king kai being named Sheldon since... no name)

Frieza: Mmm….I can’t say I’m a fan of these options….

Frost: Hmm. I guess I’d say….sin Whis, marry Shin, and kill King Kai.

Frieza: That was fast.

Frost: It wasn’t hard to think about. Shin is the little Kai with the mohawk, right? He seems easy enough to get along with if we were married. And Whis….well, I can’t deny he has a pretty face, and might possibly have years of experience in the sheets. And I’d only kill King Kai strictly because I have no desire to do the other two options with him.

Frieza: Huh. When explained like that….it seems entirely logical. I think I’d go the same way actually.

[staerplatinum]

And today is Fuwa's turn! The reference of this one was the Sleeping Beauty by Louis Sussman-Hellborn, I thought it was perfect for Fuwa since how bored from his job he is

Description under the cut!

Lord Fuwa, current Supreme Kai or God of Creation of the Sixth Universe. Upon finding this abandoned throne representing his universe's symbol, Lord Fuwa was surprised of finding it on the North Kai's planet. He decided to take the throne for himself, and it is said the statue was sculpted by the North Kai during one of his visits, but Lord Fuwa had fallen asleep for a month. It is said the throne is a rival to the most comfortable seat of the Seventh Universe.

[shinjinsofthemultiverse]

Easy way to tell any OCs here apart: None of them wear earrings, and they never got their ears pierced. Or if they do, it's not potarra brand. None of them are interested in fusion tactic earrings. They prefer to wear plastic studs manufactured on any planet that makes them.

Established characters got their capsule[body] destroyed or absorbed by a djinn are isolated in the quadrant sector of the galaxy with a halo over their heads.

North [Supreme] Kai and West [Supreme] Kai got their capsules/body busted so they are doing their snake way training in the millions of years level in order to earn a resurrection to atone for their defeats by a djinn.