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Respect și lipsa de respect, valori și norme morale
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We are all unused to living, we are all crippled, each one of us more or less. We are so unused to it that we straight away feel some kind of loathing towards real ‘lively life’ and so we cannot stand it when we are reminded of it. We have indeed reached such a point that we almost consider real ‘lively life’ to be labour, almost like service, and we are all agreed among ourselves that it is better left in books.
Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Notes from Underground
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Miguel: To be Spider-Man is to suffer
Miles: um...no?
#that's it that's the movie#i just really like it was miles rejecting the norm and what's expected of him#and doing his own thing#across the spiderverse#across the spiderverse spoilers#miguel o’hara#miles morales
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'thats not his role in the story!' hm i wonder what the point of it is then. hm i wonder what the dead pixel scene means. hm i wonder what wrong organ are trying to say with the context of 'awesome male friendship' and 'corporate hell where the only woman onboard is constantly under ridicule, abused or forcibly forgotten yet is the catalyst' if not this. hm i wonder how curly's physical agony being a direct parallel to anya's mental agony, stripped of voice, agency, just like her, and being forced to watch what happens while not doing jack shit, just like he used to, plays a part in this. i wonder what the moral of him being the final girl says about living with the consequences of your inaction, because of sentimentality, because of status, career and social. hm i wonder whatever the fuck this game was trying to say. hm i wonder what else is on this person's blog Oh Lord there's yaoi penice.
#mouthwashing#mouthwashing spoilers#sa mention#dont go after this person but i hooooope they rethink. their view of the story.#but god im gonna squeeze lemons in my eyes soon#taking this game away from yall until you unlearn misogyny#ooooh curlys just sooo sweet poor thaaang oh my oh my youre looking sooo far into thissss haaahaaa#its all just a misunderstanding!!!! anya didnt speak clearly enough!!!! noooo its not on my beautiful blue eyed rascal hahaaa#ok look curlys an insane character i love analyzing him and i VERY MUCH dont want people to think im like villanizing the guy#the entire point is that otherwise pretty chill people can fuck up OF THEIR OWN FAULT AND BIAS and then learn. painfully. what not to do.#and by chill i also dont mean holy water pure ok. distinctions.#and id really hate people taking either side of the argument on curlys morality. esp considering his appearance (for both.)#just don't. fucking make baby ass black and white arguments#this game should be behind a childproof lock in the shape of a reading comprehension test abt crime and punishment#im super supportive of people trying to think outside the norm about art like mouthwashing and explaining their own musings#and talking with others and trying to understand how to argument their thoughts which is what the op of the post this was left on was doing#being genuinely curious and open#but brother i draw the line at so merrily denying the main fucking point of the character in the catalyst event#GOOD GOD make this game only accessible to 35+ yo's with no internet access#the contents of their blog were just the cherry on top#unblocking them in hopes they see this ig
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If you think Spider saved Quaritch for no reason you’re wrong, like entirely. Spider is 16. Keep that in mind for all of this. 16. Your brain finishes developing in your mid-20’s, Spider is still a teenager.
More below the cut cause I know people hate scrolling for ages through long text posts lol
Spider is a teenager that has grown up never fitting in, physically he’s human, but he’s grown up with the Na’vi and so the way he acts and thinks is that of the Na’vi. Because of this he simply will never fit in, he will always be an outsider no matter what he does. This is a child that is viewed as different and wrong in many ways, those he looks up to look down on him in all possible ways, quite literally treating him as a stray rather than a child. No, Neytiri and Jake have no obligation to raise or treat him like one of the family but as adults they do have an obligation to ensure a child is being raised right and being treated right, all adults have that no matter who they are.
So you take a child that feels like an outsider, doesn’t fit in, is mentally struggling and you have him kidnapped by the RDA and a man who is technically his father, have a guess what happens. Yeah, he gets more fucked up. I don’t know what the fuck that thought extractor machine thing is but it’s looks horrific, if Spider didn’t have epilepsy before I’m willing to bet he does now. And in this time of torture, imprisonment and fear it’s not Jake or anyone else from the camp that come save him, it’s Quaritch. Quaritch saves him, that instantly creates a bond as Quaritch gives him a freedom and safety he wouldn’t get otherwise.
With Quaritch Spider gets freedom, he can test the limits as all children will, he gets to ride on an ikran right at the front as though he was flying it, Spider gets to see even more of Pandora. Not to mention literally no one came for him, the adults (and I mean all of them not just the Jake and Neytiri) abandoned him despite knowing that the RDA is cruel enough to torture a child, they knew what he might be facing and they just left him. This kid must be in mental hell.
And it all crescendos when Neytiri tries to kill him. I do not care what you say Neytiri was justified in killing every single person on that ship brutally, they all deserved it but not Spider. He’s a teenager and innocent, she was not justified in doing that. I’m not here to shit on Neytiri though, she’s an incredibly complex and deep character written beautifully and I adore her, but that doesn’t mean wrongful actions can’t be recognised.
Which perfectly leads us to the moment. Spider is underwater, there isn’t time to think only time to act and Spider, traumatised and scared, does. And he does the stupid move of saving Quaritch. But as I’ve said he had a reason to do it, a motivation, just as Neytiri had one to put a blade to his neck.
Spider saving Quaritch does not represent the failings of his morals and his character but instead represent the failings of those around him, the scientists had an obligation to raise him and at the very least Jake had an obligation to ensure a child wasn’t being damaged mentally as he grew up, both failed in doing this and as a result a teenager was pushed to the point of breaking and he did.
Spider is not a bad kid. Neytiri is not a bad person. Jake is not a bad father. All of these can be true and so can the fact that they each did the wrong thing, and that’s a fact.
All it takes is:
Jake: Hey Norm, Spiders been hanging around the kids a lot more and I’m worried some issues might start developing, mind checking in on him?
Norm: Yeah sure Jake, no problem.
And then he talks to Spider and they can find a way to help him with his issues. That’s it! Easy.
#avatar the way of water#james cameron avatar#avatar 2009#jake sully#neytiri#spider socorro#norm spellman#miles quaritch#all adults have an obligation to ensure children related or not are growing up in a safe environment#where there mental physical and emotional health are all cared for#it’s not just a ‘kind’ thing to do it’s the morally correct thing#children are innocent by default they shouldn’t suffer#btw this is NOT Neytiri hate#keep that shit off my blog
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ngl im fucking terrified of how the fandom will act when the asian ccs get added and they are confronted with asian customs such as honorifics, asian cultural norms, and the language itself (ie words that are common in one language that sounds like a slur in another) and i know most of the fandom will be open and welcoming but idk im probably being way too pessimistic as someone who is asian and has seen the bs that people can spew esp regarding things like stereotypes
#qsmp#im being really negative rn cause im just really scared#im excited to see asian representation and i really hope to be proven wrong in my pessimism#but i will dropkick anyone who purposefully tries to misinterpret or villainize or sexualize or whatever my culture#its on fucking sight for those kinds of people#even people that just associate one thing for one culture ie japan with anime or korea with kpop#like i swear these countries and cultures are more than just that so please be open to learning more and not just make assumptions#also i am so very scared when it comes to cultural norms esp because qsmp is so damn western ethics and morality focused#i have many thoughts about this in particular but theyre way too complex#but yeah i really hope this event goes well and the new members feel welcomed
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wwaah ✨
#me having this stretch while making this like getting slightly misty twice or thrice like ah um well sure. wahh#their humansonas....masking & closeting? serving & slaying? so powerful & i'm living for it#i Know like elementary school me understood a [touches ground. there's something here] b/c i remembered i associated an abba song w/them?#& here i am serious well That Was That On That (thee flirting ever) in that 5 sec clip like well. 🏆 that was that on that#little a normativity performing efforts while morally supporting your local autistic kid....& that's also that on all that#corned beef#oh god there's like 50 ways to format your categorical tags. alright i'll#fairly oddparents
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I also find it funny that fandom will only accept Lyanna being her non-conforming, wild self in the context of saying that Arya isn't meant to be pretty; Any other day we get back-to-back posts about how Lyanna is actually super traditionally feminine cause she sniffled at a song once, so she's actually more like Sansa. Instead of constantly speaking on Arya and Lyanna, how about you guys reflect on why your standards of beauty for women are attached to how well they perform feminity within the patriarchy?
#lyanna stark#arya stark#asoiaf#/Lyanna isn't actually pretty she was a wild tomboy/ Those two things are not mutually exclusive 😭#how you look is not a reflection of your personality and this is also a running theme within the story#we have morally good characters who are ugly and morally bad characters who are beautiful this is like...kindergarten level#Lyanna is idealized in terms of her personality hence /you saw her beauty but not the iron underneath/#and Ned correcting Robert when he said Lyanna wouldn't have shamed him like Cersei had#he's a very shallow misogynistic character and I truly doubt he would've been as attached to the idea of her without surface level beauty#reminds me of people saying that Olivia Hussey is a bad fancast for them because she has a /doll like/ beauty and they're /rougher/ 😭#as though their entire facial structure magically changed once they realized they enjoyed playing with swords instead of sewing sdksdkdsksd#it's giving that one tiktok with the /cat pretty vs doe pretty vs bunny pretty/#even if you wanted to make the case that her beauty is idealized in her death we get Arya described a pretty multiple times?#idk it's just so wild to me to use personality as an indication of looks it just sounds so stupid#Arya/Lyanna can still have /delicate/ features (which is extremely subjective) and still have a wild personality#how about we acknowledge that the perception of both of them is warped by strict patriarchal gender norms instead?#some real analysis just to shake things up idk
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Wanted to send an ask as well to hopefully provide some distraction from…recent events.
Are there any parts of world building in the TF IDW universe that you wish were explored/expanded upon more? Or that you want to explore in your writing? Like certain aspects of pre-war Cybertron, cybertronian culture, post-war Cybertron, etc?
Okay this is actually perfectly timed for a rant I wanted to go on about the way mnemosurgery is written in IDW1 because I hate how JRO basically made it an ontologically evil field of medicine both intrinsically and in terms of the average person who does it, like
First of all I want to preface this by saying I'm not accusing JRO of having any particular beliefs, this is just my commentary on how things came off and how his writing style contributes to both virtues and flaws in his writing. So I might say "he's basically saying this" but in the sense of "unfortunate implications, accidental or purposeful, in his writing."
But like... it makes me so mad because the worldbuilding around mnemosurgery kind of makes no sense to me? It seems like a really fucking wasted opportunity to cast basically every mnemosurgeon in the continuity as evil and to make it so that even just doing mnemosurgery is basically a toxic, destructive act that will literally kill you? Honestly, I don't think JRO even came up with mnemosurgery as like, "here's a thing that exists in this world and how it works" so much as, he took a character-first approach to writing (as he always does) and wrote mnemosurgery to work whatever way would work best for Chromedome and other character-related conflicts and plot points.
Like, mnemosurgery can view/alter memories from a living person but from a dead person it can only get moments from right before death. Makes sense. Mnemosurgery slowly kills you every time you do it??? Uh... honestly that comes off more as a handwave to make it so that any time the LL needs information they can't just needle it straight out of whoever's mind they need bc of course Chromedome can only do it when it's really important after all. Mnemosurgery... is only ever used for brainwashing people? Like, literally every mnemosurgeon except Chromedome is evil (and cartoonishly so, for Trepan and Sunder, like literally unredeemable monsters in every way) and any time they actually enjoy their field of medicine it's bc they're a sadist that likes to manipulate and oppress people? Kind of... uncreative.
Mnemosurgery is ADDICTIVE?? You're addicted to needling people's brains because mnemosurgery is ontologically evil and then it literally kills you? Okay like... do I even need to explain how tone-deaf it is to incorporate addiction of all things into the worldbuilding here? "You're an addict which makes you dangerous to society. The good ones stop doing the addictive thing because they're morally strong/care about others/aren't hedonists, but the bad ones who only care about doing their drug of choice are evil because the fact that they don't quit shows that they don't care about other people and OF COURSE the main/only fate that awaits addicts is their inevitable death by their own addiction!" Like, we get enough of that shit in real life, JRO. Did you really have to take an already heavily stigmatized condition like ADDICTION and slap it onto your ontologically evil mnemosurgery where the evil ones are evil because they love abusing/manipulating people and don't care enough about dying to stop being addicted to mnemosurgery? Come the fuck on.
Like, I understand that "the science of studying/altering memories" is heavily laden with nightmare fuel as is, and I don't have a problem with that (and stuff like the Institute) because the mind/memories are an intrinsic part of personhood, so any scientific field around it (or any government that wants to sponsor it) will abuse that knowledge just like with any other field of medicine. But to use human examples, why the fuck does mnemosurgery have to be inherently evil? What about stuff like Alzheimer's that degrades ppl's memories to the point of not even remembering a few seconds ago? Wouldn't it be beautiful if mnemosurgery could help with that? What about psychological issues where maybe people with intense PTSD/trauma/etc could have their worst memories be removed/dulled so that they become mentally stable enough for psychiatric/therapeutic interventions to become effective? What if someone has a TBI and wants help recovering the memories they lost?
What about non-scary, non-medicinal applications of mnemosurgery? What if someone just really treasures the memory of a particular day with their best friend and visits a mnemosurgery every couple years so that information creep doesn't slowly alter their memories of that precious day? What if it was possible for mnemosurgeons to intensify memories, so that maybe someone could have a happy memory intensified and think of it any time they're sad, struggling, having mental health struggles, etc? What if mnemosurgeons could take/copy memories from people's brains and convert them to video format in a way that other people could watch it? Imagine the sheer potential present in that when it comes to preserving history through literal firsthand testimonials of what happened! What if a mnemosurgeon could transfer memories from one person to another-- what kinds of breakthroughs in empathy, communication, and understanding others could happen if you could LITERALLY see a conflict from another person's perspective? In those ways, mnemosurgeons would basically be able to act as a hybrid of doctor, psychologist, diplomat, mediator, and archivist all in one!
But no... instead we just got "Mnemosurgery is evil and pretty much only used for brainwashing, 99.8% of all mnemosurgeons are evil creeps, oh by the way it's also addicting and will literally kill you if you do it too much." SMFH.
#squiggle answers#meta#idk if my contempt for the addiction part comes off strongly enough. like#as it is addiction is already spun as a moral failing by ppl who only care about getting high and not about hurting themselves/others#so like. why would you take addiction and apply it as an element of worldbuilding where indulging that addiction literally makes you evil#(or rather where the only ppl who continuously indulge their addiction are evil and just like doing it)#you wanna know something? IRL more addicts get sober than die of overdoses. ODing and being addicted forever is THE MINORITY#BEING AN ADDICT DOESN'T DOOM YOU TO DYING BY YOUR OWN SUPPOSED VICES AND LACK OF SELF CONTROL#getting clean is THE NORM and not the exception! so why in the hell would you write it into your fictional story#and make it so that not only are most of these addicts evil people but they'll also all inevitably die bc of their addiction???#this sort of worldbuilding literally propagates the idea that addicts are doomed to die in the majority of cases (patently untrue)#and like frames the ppl who are addicted as basically being evil and choosing to continue needling people#that's not how real life addiction works. like at all. irl addicts don't destroy their health w drugs bc they love doing it#but yeah in general JRO kind of has this issue with black and white morality. you see it pop up everywhere in his writing#his depiction of mnemosurgery comes off as one of those trademark JRO#'here is your sign that this character is evil and unredeemable bc they do this thing that's inherently evil'#kind of things. and as someone recently getting into studying addiction as a social issue it sucks ass
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#dc comics#superman#happy birthday#curt swan#norm breyfogle#jack kirby#joe kubert#gary frank#jose luis garcia lopez#mike allred#darwyn cooke#gil kane#rags morales
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For my previous profound morality, having discovered that I’m as crudely alive as that crude light I learned yesterday, for that morality of mine, the hard glory of being alive is the horror. Before I lived in the humanized world, but did something purely alive collapse the morality I had? Because a world fully alive has the power of a Hell.
Clarice Lispector, The Passion According to G. H.
#life#being#existence#norms#morality#quotes#Lispector#Clarice Lispector#The Passion According to G. H.
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[For Hume,] morality provides a set of pleasures of its own... Because of sympathy, the sense that you are lovable and worthy in the eyes of others makes you lovable and worthy in your own. For the same reason, the sense that you are detestable in the eyes of others makes you detestable in your own. And morality provides these feelings regardless of whether you think that morality is justified or not. This fact enables Hume to add the familiar claim that virtue is its own reward to his list of the ways in which virtue promotes self-interest without any circularity at all. Together, all of these arguments establish what Hume calls our “interested obligation” to be moral.
Christine M. Korsgaard, The Sources of Normativity
#philosophy#quotes#Christine M. Korsgaard#The Sources of Normativity#sentiment#sympathy#virtue#morality#ethics#Hume
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We know Kipperlilly hated the Bad Kids but how are we defining 'hate'? This is a longshot but what if she wasn't actually planning on targeting them personally for death etc. until that first meeting in the cafeteria? Because she approached them with serene grace then and for awhile after despite BLeeM's amazing acting it making it visibly clear she was struggling to not respond negatively to the bullying. Sure, she arranged for Frosty Fair to be held at the Thistlespring's, but we now know that wasn't about Gorgug at all and he may not have been personally in danger from what they were attempting. Maybe she even expected Kristen would be grateful for reuniting Cassandra with Ankarna.
Of course, I don't think Cassandra wanted to be reunited with Ankarna, Ankarna is obviously evil and all of this is evil, but what if the Rat Grinders have been hoodwinked this whole time, or at least up until a recent point of no return? Yolanda and the Loams could have died purely from Ankarna filling them with too much rage, it's possible the RGs had no intentional part in making that happen.
So like, what if Kipperlilly obsessively hated the Bad Kids, yes, but was on at least some level aware it was irrational? Because she'd gone all these years without blowing-up or striking out at them at all, maybe she knew to some extent that her hatred was disproportionate if only in regards to what they personally did wrong, right up until she finally had a face-to-face conversation with them and one of them literally entered the election just to keep her from winning?
The only crease to this is that for as much as Brennan has been desperately trying to signal to the IHs that Kipperlilly isn't Solace Hitler, and partly because of that, it's unlikely Euegnia is intended to be wrong when she speculates that Mazey only isn't dead for practical reasons and describes Kipperlilly finding her as holding her grave hostage.
#dimension 20#kipperlilly copperkettle#but honestly IMO it's a rare BLeeM L to describe it that way like that's just succeeding at the goal of finding a dead person#and everyone is in the adventuring industry has the attitude of defining adventuring as essentially murder and plunder#and we can't say “well it's not that bad in comparison” because obviously there has to be SOME moral norms#but digging up graves just to cast Speak With Dead or find some mcguffin someone was buried with is so within the scope of adventuring#so calling that desecration is a huge stretch IMO
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kotlc is so interesting to me cause their societal norms are so different from humans but they're never portrayed as "better" (at least by Sophie/the narrative)
#kotlc#keeper of the lost cities#btw Shannon being shit at diversity and representation#doesn't change the fact that the lost cities EXPLICITLY don't have the societal norms that humans have#because the point is the elves *perceive* themselves to be a morally and ethically superior society#when they're not
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Tell me why is it when I am reaching the end of my extensive Jellal backstory fanfic, that my brain has now thought ‘oh what if I did a different timeline and Jellal IS allowed to rise to the ranks of the prestigious/elite heritage that he was born in rather than being deemed a social outcast, but then he’s now in the helm of indoctrination and a corrupt government for the dues of his blood….’
I mean morally bankrupt Jellal due to his upbringing meeting Erza and the others not due to the tower of cultists but the hidden horrors of his own blood and nation’s way where cultism is pretty much run on a national scale.
I can’t lie…this idea is really cooking for me and I really want to explore how the dynamic of Jerza will save Jellal and others from the chaos and chains that they were born and brought up in.
I don’t know, would anyone who has seen my writing be interested in me writing an alternate version of The Devil That Dreamt Of Paradise; however now Jellal is allowed to rise to the ranks bestowed to him by his blood, however rather than a means of being saved, it has damned him into the heart of corruption.
And it’s going to take the ones who aren’t blinded by the ploys of a delicately constructed society and birthed in corruption to free those who are.
Tell me what are the thoughts on this? Even if you haven’t read my writing, any Jellal fans would you be interested in seeing the character of Jellal being written into clear moral ambiguity and how that develops in the presence of societal corruption or is conflicted by external factors (e.g planned Jerza, Jellal himself questioning his circumstances naturally and facing internal conflictions, the sins and obedience rising to their limits and their consequences etc)
Would anyone be interested in seeing something like that written?
If anyone wants to see the original headcanon plots which the idea of this AU is being derived yet is subverting from, the link to the post is below :
Thank you to all that took the time to read this, please tell me your thoughts if you can.
I hope you all have a great day 🫶🏻
#fanfic idea#jellal fernandes#jellal fernandez#fairy tail jellal#jellal#dark jellal idea#Jellal headcanons#jellal HCs#jerza angst#jerza#an au idea regarding the lore I’ve already written about jellal’s backstory#jellal won’t be fully a white or black character at all#he will be explored fully in the role of someone who has been brought up in corruption but this time it’s not as clear since it’s the norm#I really love to explore a morally ambiguous Jellal without excuses#and id want to explore moral ambiguity in a true sense since fairy tail’s narrative is very binary#the idea I got for Jerza in this is really going to be interesting due to the different circumstances bringing them together#idk I just really want to expand on Almetian lore since it’s so convoluted#as always my writing is dark and this no doubt will be that too#but it’ll be psychological and intense and an intresting take#on how upbringings can affect development etc#yamishika's hcs#yami rambles
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