#nonius horses

[horsesarecreatures]

Nonius Horses

[horse-breed-a-day]

Horse breed of the day: Nonius

Height: 15-16 hh

Common coat colors: Black, bay and chestnut

Place of origin: Hungary

[damselflyjewelfly]

Horses

@hetalia-aushun-week

[oconswrld]

Carlos Sainz depicted as a hungarian csikós. This costume in particular is a modern day version. but i hope i can get another drawing of ?? driver in old time clothes

Some answers to people who aren't familiar ;

What are csikós? The csikós (singular) is a horse-mounted herdsman of Hungary.

What are they like in modern times? In recent times, csikós have been particularly tied to the environs of Debrecen and Hortobágy National Park, the latter deploying csikós to watch-over and maintain large herds of free-ranging native Hungarian ungulate breeds, including cattle, horses and sheep.

What type of horse do they use? The csikós tradition is also tied to the Nonius (Noniusz), a breed of horse with an epicentre of breeding in the Máta Stud, located some 3 kilometres from Hortobágy.

Where can you see them? As said earlier the Hortobágy National Park has quite a few of them, but other than these moments there are plenty of events where they put on shows, displaying the horse's talents and purpose.

Uncolored, and unfinished version;

[morning-star-stables]

Edits to one of the horse models. This one was called "war horse" and is on the taller/thicker side. These are all current edit progress and not necessarily final. May tweak in future.

In order:

Default asset (use as Boerperd/Canadian Horse)

American Saddlebred

Morgan/Welsh Cob D (Cob will have leg feathers to distinguish it apart)

Criollo/Barb (Criollo will have coat patterns of high white spotting and dilutions to distinguish it apart)

Georgian Grande/Nonius (former will have a wide range of coat colors to distinguish it apart)

Knabstrupper/Friesian Sport Horse (former will have spotted coats; latter will have leg feathers)

Wielkopolski/Latvian Warmblood (former will have a wide range of coat colors to distinguish it apart)

*Mule ("hidden"--wouldn't be available in normal gameplay; testing the possibility)

*Unicorn ("hidden"--wouldn't be available in normal gameplay; testing the possibility; would have leg feathers)

Ends with default asset again

*Don't know if/how I'd include these. I just wanted to test out if they were a possibility (I'd edit the conformation more for the mule if I did). I like when games have that one hidden, goofy model edit so I'd ideally have something like that, too.

[divdurvart]

From my fantasy world “Jask”, these were going to be the “beast races”, only the horse race is officially in the world though.  Modeled after the saker falcon, nonius horse, brown bat, and mangalitsa pig.

[incorrect-house-of-nine]

When you google how to spell the name of a hero from an epic classic and you get a some what endangered horse breed.  (The horse girl in me was fed.)

I mean, the Nonius totally looks like a Niner horse,  (If they didn’t try to eat it instead. Just saying.)

[fixaidea]

On a logical level I know that Nonius was this epic swordsman, but every time I see the name I still can’t help picturing this guy:

[horsesarecreatures]

Nonius Lótenyésztő Országos Egyesület

[katakaluptastrophy]

These are all such good points, especially about the politics of the First vs the Cohort (I'm so intrigued and wish we knew more about whether there is tension here!)

I feel like one element here is definitely Abigail's experience with the twins, who she's known since they were children. What I find interesting is that Ianthe is also very dismissive of the Fifth in general and Abigail in particular in TUG - they're mentioned at much greater length than anyone else from Canaan House. Which makes me wonder if it's not just Ianthe's vibes, but that she and Abigail have some kind of ongoing disagreement and dislike. Which is in some ways quite funny, considering that Abigail is much closer in age to Ianthe's parents. Coronabeth is also affable in quite a Fifth House way when she wants to be.

Though on the note of none of these people being entirely moral in quite the way we might want them to be... By that point Abigail knows what a Lyctor is: she talks to Harrow about "the preserved soul that made you a Lyctor." Given Cytherea's love of a good villain monologue, I suspect she may have learned that straight from the horse's mouth... She also knew Babs as a child, but her reaction to learning that Ianthe is a Lyctor and ~relatedly~ Babs is dead is to express that Coronabeth should have been a Lyctor instead! Which I guess goes to show that even being married to your cavalier doesn't prevent you from sometimes going with the awful logic of your society. Or, possibly, she just really hated Babs?

But going back to your point about Corona's politics: I think she would definitely read as the better all-rounder - personable, apparently necromantically powerful, and politically literate in a way that perhaps accords with the interests of the Fifth...

I personally read Abigail as being quite religiously devout in her own way: she may think god doesn't understand the River, but she also thinks that's totally in line with an orthodox doctrinal reading to think that ("he never claimed omnipotence"). And despite intellectually understanding him to not be omnipotent, that doesn't stop her from praying before trying to summon Matthias Nonius. She studied on the Eighth, so there's a good chance one of her degrees has some kind of religious or ecclesiastical history bent to it. That said, it's clear that no one at Canaan House quite knows what to make of Lyctors: they're religious figures, but also people your high ranking friends in the military have occasionally seen pottering about on spaceships. And I suppose when god is also the emperor, the distinction between religious and political and military all gets a bit complicated...which would be all the more reason to want apparent safe pair of hands Coronabeth as a Lyctor. And if there is any kind of tension between the First and the Cohort, that's something a power like the Fifth would be watching very closely.

Do you have any Coronabeth Worsetwin thoughts about Abigail's reaction to finding out Ianthe become a Lyctor in HtN ("Blast. It should have been Coronabeth. Ianthe never was quite the thing")? I love Abigail but ngl I am also a Corona Worsetwin truther in part because I would find it much more satisfying for one of the series' designated Rational Moral Adults to be categorically wrong about Corona.

OH I love this! I hadn't really thought out it until now, but my first reaction is that it might have been just the general "Ugh, yuck, Ianthe?" vibe that she seems to evoke, since she's very much unpleasant on main. But when thinking about it more in-depth, I think Abigail's perception of WHY Corona would be more suited to Lyctorhood depends on which qualities Abigail thinks a Lyctor should possess that Ianthe lacks.

One thing about Abigail in HtN is that she is as much of an atheist as you can get in TLT, but also she seems to have a sort of romanticised view of John (calling him "the Kindly Emperor", "I've longed my whole life to give him my findings") and I wonder if this extends to her conception of Lyctorhood as a sort of state of idyllic quest for knowledge — "the beauty of necromantic mysteries" as Harrow puts it. She's also the leader of a House known for its diplomacy, influence, and not-so-subtle expansionistic ambitions.

So, is she thinking about Corona's diplomatic skills? Her political knowledge? Or — because at this point she still believes Coronabeth is also a necromancer — is she thinking that Corona was the better necromancer than Ianthe, as it was widely speculated?

Going wildly off into headcanon land, we know Abigail has anti-Cohort sympathies (as per Judith's files) and I wonder if that plays a part. We know that Corona regards the Houses's expansionistic strategy as inefficient, but I don't think it's something Abigail would know. Maybe she just thinks Corona would be able to assert authority over the Cohort better? (One of my pet speculations is that there's some antagonism between the Cohort and the Lyctors, and if that's actually a thing Abigail could be aware of it.)

I think it's a combination of Corona's people skill, her personal experience with both twins, and the fact that Ianthe actively puts off everyone she meets.

(If anyone has any opinions about Abigail here PLS feel free to add, I too love her but she's one of the hardest characters to figure out for me)

Personally, a solid 40% of why I am a Corona Worsetwin truther is because I think it's hot. The rest is her everything in NtN / AYU from the threatening suicide to statecraft scheming, with a smattering of that one Taz interview <3 I'm excited to see her wreck havoc in AtN.

[barnulv23]

Horses I did, Sorrows and Devotee, my OCs

[paperuniverse]

We ended up talking nations horses in the rp today so I am gonna assign some horses to the nations despite knowing next to nothing about horse breeds.

Spain’s horse was an Andalusian horse and his name was Casaño (literally meaning brown/chestnut lol).

Austria’s horse was a male Lipizzan named Adagio (headcanon stollen from @j-ellyfish).

The Italies were both gifted Bardigiano’s by Austria when they were young as they’re apparently good with children. N.Italy’s is named Titian (male) and S.Italy’s Bellona (female). (Left is Titian, right Bellona).

Hungary I believe would own more than one horse because she’s definitely a horse girl. But one she does have is a Nonius, and her name is Anikó. She’s had her for a long time and often rode her into battle.

[thehorsedrawncarriagecompan-blog]

Our journey to Hungary to find our next driving pair

You might consider it a little extreme to travel to another country to purchase a pair of driving horses, but after looking unsuccessfully for 8 months in the UK for a ‘sound’ pair of black horses that were suitable for commercial work, it became apparent we may have to look further afield.....

After making a few inquiries we were given a contact to ring by a good friend of ours. Now initially we were looking for a pair of Freisian horses, a traditional carriage horse notorious for it’s black coat, long flowing mane and temperament for carriage work. However our contact brought to our attention another breed - The Nonius. A breed not that well known and that originates from Hungary.

About the Nonius breed

The Nonius (Hungarian: Nóniusz) is a Hungarian horse breed named after its Anglo-Norman foundation sire. Generally dark in color, it is a muscular and heavy-boned breed, similar in type to other light draft and driving horses. The breed was developed at the Imperial Stud at Mezőhegyes, Hungary by careful linebreeding. Originally bred to serve as a light draft and utility horse for Hungary's military, the breed became a useful agricultural horse during the 20th century. The depredations of World War II significantly reduced the Nonius' population, and in the decades after the war, a downturn in the usage of horses in Hungary sent many members of the breed to slaughter. Today the breed is bred by preservationists and is used in agriculture, leisure riding, and competitive driving sports. The largest numbers of Nonius horses are still found at Mezőhegyes, with representatives in other eastern European nations as well. 

The breed is known for the heavy but proportional head with a convex profile called either a ram's head or Roman nose. The breed exhibits traits common to heavy-boned driving and light draft horses: powerful and arched high-set neck, broad and muscular back, open but powerful loin, deep and sloping hindquarters. The chest is broad rather than deep, and is usually more shallow than the hindquarters. The hooves and joints are large and the legs are dry. Nonius horses stand between 155 to 165 centimetres (15.1 to 16.1 hands; 61 to 65 in). One of the heaviest warmblood driving horses, the ideal Nonius has a girth measurement of 180–210 cm (71–83 in) and a cannon circumference of 22–24 cm (8.7–9.4 in). Nonius horses are also known for a kind, even temperament and great willingness and capacity for work both in harness and under saddle. In addition they are usually easy keepers with high endurance.

Development and present day

The roles and popularity of the Nonius breed were affected by periods of social and political upheaval. In 1900 the utilitarian quality and modest appearance of the Nonius horses won the breed the title of "Ideal Horse" at the Paris Exposition Universelle. While the Mezőhegyes Stud continued to hold the main population of Nonius horses, the stud at Debrecen developed their own strain of the breed, beginning in 1948. This variety, which tended to be heavier than many of the Mezőhegyes Nonius', was called Hortobagyi Nonius or the Hortobagy Landrace. The two sub-types were combined into one breed in 1961.

The military technological advances of World War II displaced the Nonius as a military horse, and it was then directed towards agriculture instead. However, the depredations of the war severely damaged the breed, and by the time the war was over, there were only around 50 mares of the breed left. However, the damage that the property, supplies, and livestock of Mezőhegyes suffered during the war were steadily rebuilt up through the 1960s, and by 1954 there were 120 mares at the Mezőhegyes stud alone. Communist Hungary was not supportive of horseback riding, and in the years between 1947 and 1961, more Hungarian horses were killed for meat than were casualties of the war. Attempts to produce sport-oriented horses from Nonius stock were largely unsuccessful, though during the 1970s combined driving emerged as a popular horse-sport at which the Nonius could excel. In 1989 the Nonius Horse Breeders National Association was formed to protect the purebred Nonius horse.

Our time in Hungary

After reading up on the breed I had developed a strong liking for it and decided a trip to Hungary to try some was definitely worth the time and effort.  So after an early rise (2am), a 2.5 hour plane journey and 1.5 hour car drive we arrived at our Hungarian destination at about 9am.  We walked straight into an american barn and were immediately faced with 4 beautiful black horses all harnessed up waiting patiently for their grooms.  Any sense of tiredness soon vanished at this beautiful sight! We watched as the grooms calmly went about their job putting the 4 horses to the carriage, a Freisian pair in wheeler position (closest to the carriage) and an Andalusian pair in leader position (out in front).  We soon learned that all 4 horses were stallions and the two leaders were 3 year olds and it was the first time the offside leader had been in a 4 hitch.  Soon we were driving across hundreds of acres of common land offering miles of sandy tracks and open green spaces, not something we have the luxury of in England!  After an hour of driving we returned home, exhilarated and wondering what was to come next! 

The day continued with a steady stream of horses being taken out for exercising, these were either their own horses which they were training up for film work, or horses they had found for people overseas and were trying out / bringing on.  One particular horse had recently arrived from England having not succeeded in a dressage career as was originally hoped. With excellent breeding and confirmation they hoped it might be able to excel in another discipline....and so it was being broken to harness. We watched as they familiarized the horse with the harness and blinkers etc. Then on a lunge in a sand school it was attached to a rubber tyre which it pulled around the school with no problems. When we returned the second day it was already hitched into a pair, driving about happily!  The saying "like a duck to water” was never more apt! When we left Hungary we learnt it was destined for America to a top competition driving yard. 

Zupas and Zapor - Nonius half brothers 4.5 years old.

And so the time had come to try the pair they had found for us.  They were travelling in from their yard about 40 minutes drive away and were to stay for 3 days at the centre so we could try them out. Despite being in a new environment, they seemed calm and interested in their surroundings. We took them out for a 40 minute drive through the forest and open park land.  Neither put a hoof wrong so a positive first drive! You might have noticed one of them has half an ear...this is Zapor and his brother Zupas apparently bit the other half off when they were foals during over exuberant play! 

Day two came and we tried another pair of horses but they were not deemed as good as “Zig and Zag” as we were now calling them.  So we decided to take Zig and Zag out again, this time on the road for a traffic test. Whilst Hungary has less cars on the road, we were in a very agricultural area so there were lots of heavy farm machinery and lorries etc. We were soon approaching a very large tractor pulling a huge trailer full of manure and at the very point where we would be passing this tractor there was a railway crossing. This was as good a test as any! As we neared the roar of the tractor I checked to see if Zig and Zag looked comfortable and was relieved to see they were happily trotting, head down ignoring the roaring beast next to them. When they saw the railway crossing their ears pricked (all 3.5 of them) and they did a little hop over and carried on as though the tractor hadn’t existed at all and it was a figment of our imagination! They had passed the test with flying colours. An articulated lorry and a bus then roared passed which also proved no problem. On the whole drive the only thing to cause a reaction was..... a pheasant. Horses are funny creatures - a 30cm high feathered thing is far more scary than a roaring tractor or lorry.

And so it was all agreed...Zig and Zag were to come home to England to join Tommie and Charlie. They will be arriving in 4 weeks time with some other horses who have been sourced for other commercial companies in the UK.  They will come via lorry -  a 13 hour journey with a stop over in Germany.

Hungary had truly been a great experience. When we weren't trying out Zig and Zag we traveled around with our new Hungarian friend looking at horses he had been tipped off about. Driving up a residential street you would never know that most of the houses had a “corral” out back with a couple of stalls and the last thing you would expect to find is a couple of beautiful white Lipizzaners standing in them! But this was how it was. It was a very horsey and, in particular, carriage driving region so needless to say we were in our element. We would certainly return again and if we ever need more horses to add to the team we know exactly where to go to get them!

[natduskfall]

She is not an equestrian when she arrives on Jorvik. I thought the SH could be her lesson horse. Just another horse in the stable that are there but she takes a liking to him and he to her. The comedy of her is that she is supposed to be a soul rider, but cannot ride properly yet.

I have been tempted to make her SH into a breed that is common in my area, and that i like. I thought about Noriker, or Kladruber. Tho i dont see how those would get to Jorvik, and i dont think Thomas would be willing to sell a Kladruber to newcomer.

Another horse i have been thinking if lately is the Nonius.

But by that logic of having a common horse for my country, and ome that is for starting riders and not super expensive, it would be either a halflinger, or a Czech warmblood.

How did you decide what horse would be your MCs main?

I still cannot decide whether i want my MCs starbreed to be the canon Jorvegian warmblood, or some random breed I like

[candela888]

Mounted stock herders or “cowboys” in Europe

A buttero or cavalcante is an Italian mounted herder, usually of horses, cattle, or buffaloes, predominantly in the Maremma region of Tuscany & northern Lazio, or in the Pontine Marshes to the south. They sometimes participate in various celebrations of Jesus Christ's Passion.

In 1890, Buffalo Bill took his Wild West show to Rome (during his tour of Europe) to display cowboy skills. Unimpressed, the Italian butteri led by Augusto Imperiali challenged Buffalo Bill to a contest of skill. The butteri proved far more experienced, & won all competitions.

A campino is a cattle herder in the Portuguese region of Ribatejo. Campinos work on horse-back, using a long pole (a pampilho or lance) to manage and direct the herd. Campinos are also known for their attire, which consists of a green and red stocking cap with a tassel.

The inhabitants of the Spanish city of Salamanca are called "charros". Among these, the inhabitants of the regions of Alba, Vitigudino, Ciudad Rodrigo and Ledesma are specifically known for their traditional "ganadería" heritage and colorful glitzy clothing.

The csikós is the mounted horse-herdsman of Hungary. The csikós tradition is closely associated with the Hungarian puszta (The Pannonian Steppe). It is also closely linked to the Nonius breed of horse.

The gulyás is the traditional mounted cattle-herdsman of Hungary. The gulyás tradition is associated with the Hungarian puszta and with the Hungarian Grey or Hungarian Steppe breed of Podolic cattle. Gulyás is the origin of the word goulash.

A gardian is a mounted cattle herdsman in the Camargue delta in Provence, southern France. The Camargue is known for its beautiful white horses, which are considered to be one of the oldest breeds in the world.

The czaban were the traditional cattle herdsmen of the Polish people. Their cavalry was among the most highly regarded in earlier centuries. From the Middle Ages onward, vast herds of cattle were driven by these cowboys from Poland and Hungary to markets in Germany,

The Vaqueiros d'alzada are a northern Spanish nomadic people in the mountains of León and Asturias, who practiced transhumance, i.e. moving seasonally with cattle. Historically, the vaqueiros were characterized as a free people in the mountains.

[andromerot]

the locked tomb!

blorbo (favorite character, character I think about the most) hmm so i think about a lot of the characters a lot but probably coronabeth. and also gideon.

scrunkly (my “baby”, character that gives me cuteness aggression, character that is So Shaped) harrowhark obvs <3 skrunkliest. and i think nona will be

scrimblo bimblo (underrated/underappreciated fave) ortus!!! i love him a lot he is such a sad little man and i was so glad to see more of him in htn. he deals with so much bullshit and also hes so funny sometimes

glup shitto (obscure fave, character that can appear in the background for 0.2 seconds and I won’t shut up about it for a week) theres not that many characters that could fit in this category but i love aiglamene and matthias nonius. i probably wouldnt talk about them for a week though.

poor little meow meow (“problematic”/unpopular/controversial/otherwise pathetic fave) CYTHEREA <33 also ianthe

horse plinko (character I would torment for fun, for whatever reason) silas of course. and also crux. and harrowhark.

eeby deeby (character I would send to superhell) jod.