#ninjago theories

[jalluzas-ferney]

Some tweets from doc btw

[steepwysdom]

My Theory: Lord Ras’ Master is The Iron Doom, aka Krux and Acronix.

Wait till you hear the sound the iron doom makes..

[lightning-chicken]

y’know how sora mentioned that the word ‘sora’ means ‘orphan’ in imperium?

i might be reading too much into this, but does that mean imperium has its own language? and given by imperium’s citizens’ strict isolation from the other realms, i’d assume that the language of imperium is the only language the people of imperium are taught, so:

give me kid sora and kid arin meeting each other for the first time, and sora not quite understanding everything arin’s saying because she’s been at the crossroads long enough to pick up a few words in ninjargon, but not that many.

give me arin trying his best to teach sora how to speak and write ninjargon, and her teaching him bits of imperium in turn (but only very rarely).

give me arin bring too young to have finished school, so when sora asks what that word is arin isn’t too sure and gives his best guess, hoping it doesn’t come back to bite him in a few years.

give me these two kids bonding despite culture barriers, despite language barriers, despite everything.

[lisascorner]

golden power theories ; the big messy version

okay i've fully rewatched the last two episodes of s15 and my notes are almost two pages long, so i'll give a brief summary of what i think happened to the golden power that was distributed among the ninja by lloyd back in s3.

the overlord

his armour before his transformation is quite golden. majority of his arms and like half his chest plate is gold. even after he transformers, he has gold accents on his chest, head, and weapon. and similar to golden power, they have damage reduction (i think) from both physical impact, garmadon's oni power, and lloyd's un-powered-up spinjitzu.

another important thing to note is that the overlord uses lightning. it may be purple, but it's still considered an element. and the way the overlord handles crystals is quite similar to the way cole handles rock. similar properties are also shared between ice and the action of "crystalising" (more appearance-wise), but i couldn't find any connections with fire.

this could be related to how the overlord, before his form completion in s15, still had remnants of golden power still in him, but not as strong as before since he doesn't have any powers that resemble fire.

harumi managed to chop off his hand with a mere sword made out of the same crystal he was using to corrupt the powers of creation and ninjago. do what you will with that information, i guess.

when the overlord is properly destroyed and his castle explodes, there is a shit ton of gold glitter falling from the sky. you could argue it's because of golden ultra, but i think it's still worth noting.

lloyd + golden ultra

unfortunately, we can't see if lloyd's energy element is negated by the gold on the overlord's body, seeing as he never actually properly used it in the fight. when conjuring his spinjitzu, he doesn't inject any of his own elemental power in it either, which makes it less powerful. HOWEVER, it is notable that lloyd's spinjitzu in the majority of this season has gold particles, instead of his previous seasons' green.

however, it is to note that this season's suits had significantly more golden than gis from previous seasons. lloyd's even more so than usual, with more than 50% of his suit being covered in gold.

furthermore, in his oni form, lloyd is very, very gold. given that his torso is merely expanded from the same suit he wearing at the time of transformation, everything that was given to him in his oni form (head, new pair of arms etc.) were all gold.

however, his purple eyes during this form could also be attributed to the overlord, since the overlord also tells garmadon that "your powers were a gift from me" while garmadon was in his oni form. this brings about a theory that i will explain later.

let's move on to the destruction of the golden weapons to unleash the elemental energy that they hold. energy cannot be created nor destroyed (it's just physics guys LMAO), which is why wu said that the elemental powers will be "cast out, to assume whatever form they originally had", with the original form being a golden version of ultra.

and i think that it is extremely important what the elemental powers do after they are free from the weapons—they go back to lloyd.

i feel that up till the events of s15, we're still operating on the idea that the ninjas' (except nya) elemental power, at its core, still stems from lloyd. and even though they've been slowly growing independent from relying lloyd's current condition, those elemental powers were always meant to be lloyd's, hence "assume whatever form they originally had", and it's why golden ultra had the instinct to save lloyd after being created by the unleashed elements.

not to say that the OG main four don't have innate powers that they can tap into—they most certainly do, seeing as the "quest for lost powers" book exists. but i think their innate powers manifesting is heavily reliant on their own condition. more on them later!

going back to golden ultra, its power could somehow negate the overlord's own, similar to how the golden power managed to defeat the overlord the first time. but what i find a connection with lloyd and golden ultra is that he isn't new to commanding a four-headed dragon. although why the elements were formed with a similar stature to the original ultra dragon (that was hunted by iron baron. that BASTARD), but it could be because elemental powers originated from the source dragons, as said in dragons rising.

but the fact that lloyd has so much ease with commanding this dragon that looks very similar to ultra raises my suspicions. lloyd, in that moment when he and the elements collided, might have unconsciously conjured up the elements in the form of a golden dragon, just like he used to. the way he's steering golden ultra in s15 is very reminiscent of how he was training to steer OG ultra back in s2.

additionally, everyone knows that even though the individual dragons belonged to their respective elemental masters, that ownership changed when they shed their skin and combined into OG ultra. ultra recognises lloyd as their owner. so that relationship would be pretty big to lloyd in my opinion, and making a dragon just feels...right. to him.

i like to think that after golden ultra disappears, lloyd regains that energy slowly. he doesn't get back his golden power immediately, but the more he hangs around the streets of ninjago near the destruction of the sky palace, the more golden power he absorbs, eventually gaining back full power that was always meant to be his all along. and now, the OG four are fully independent in terms of elemental power, and are no longer dependent on the golden power lloyd redistributed to them.

garmadon

okay, so this is where the theory begins. the overlord mentions that "[garmadon]'s powers were a gift from [him]", referring to garmadon when he was in his oni form. so the overlord should be an oni? albeit an extremely powerful one, or maybe their leader that chased FSM all the way to ninjago. since the garmadon's bite from the great devourer was orchestrated, that meant that he had been planning for quite some time.

maybe the overlord came over with mystake to make an effort to bring FSM back to the first realm, but realised that FSM wouldn't leave, and vowed to take over ninjago in an effort to convince FSM. but because the FSM decided to break ninjago in two, the overlord could no longer reach FSM and was hence stuck on the island that he was on in s2.

it was quite painfully obvious that FSM would try to lead both his sons down the dragon path (aka the 'good path'), so in order to continue the fight between dragon and oni (good and evil), the overlord would have to make changes to his plan to bring back FSM to the first realm, and instead become the evil to challenge the good. i don't really believe in the whole thing about the overlord just being a by-product of the malevolent side of FSM's ninjago balance thing. he has unknown goals that are similar to the oni, hence why i am making this comparison.

so the change of plans just happened to include garmadon at first, which somewhat worked out in his favour until lloyd came along. then the overlord realised that garmadon was, in reality, NOT the perfect vessel for his evil plans. since garmadon was still the son of FSM, it makes sense that no matter how much oni blood he has, or how much venom runs through his veins, his dragon blood will always still be there to counter it. as lord ras says, there is always some good in the bad and some bad in the good. no being (except the overlord for some reason) is an exception to this rule.

so the overlord moves on—if he can't have a living vessel, he'll just make one himself. but his plan to be a virus and hence get a physical form using the very thing that destroyed him, which was golden power, failed in s3 for reasons still unknown. we still have no idea as to why zane had to make that sacrifice or how any of that power dissipated into thin air, which is the whole reason why i'm writing this damn post.

hence why the overlord tells garmadon that "now at last i have such a vessel" all the way in s15. which is quite telling that garmadon wasn't a vessel by any means. or maybe the overlord didn't consider garmadon a worthy vessel. after that, the overlord says "thus garmadon, son of the FSM, meets his end." the fact that he still refers to garmadon as that basically ties him to still having a dragon bloodline despite the venom that the great devourer injected in him. and if one side of your vessel is constantly trying to combat you for control of their body, then that's not a very good vessel, is it?

so yes. i believe that the garmadon resurrected was the full garmadon. it's just that his kind side has been suppressed unknowingly by harumi, since she constantly fed him ideas to make the world in his image. and it is because she was there since the resurrection. if it were only lloyd who was there at the time of resurrection, i believe things would gone very differently for everyone.

the ninja

okay to the fruits!!! let's get nya out of the way first since she's the easiest to tackle for this whole debacle.

nya's powers aren't related to lloyd. they have no correlation with lloyd's condition, and they're not dependent on him. because her elemental powers stems from wojira. similarly, if morro were here, he would also not be affected by lloyd's condition since his power is also from wojira.

this can fully explain why neither nya nor morro can do dragon form or use golden power respectively. they were never related to golden power in the first place, so nya not being able to achieve that form makes sense to me (although i would have liked to see her do more in s15, don't get me wrong. i think the way the writers handled her in that season is for lack of better word, preposterous).

moving onto the OG four. their spinjitzu, when conjuring up their dragon form, was gold. what else is gold? GOLDEN POWER. yup. i think i wrote more notes on it but i'm way too lazy to check back at my notebook.

however, now that the ninja have returned the golden power that was helping them channel their elemental powers, they only seem to have lost their elemental powers in that timeframe between the end of s15 and the events of quest of the lost powers. but it can be explained—if you put enough thought into it.

kai had to learn to ask for help, zane had to learn to forgive himself, cole had to re-embrace his family and learnt how to cope with the high expectations he had of himself (at least, that's how i interpreted it), and jay also had to learn to cope with the fact that he may not have his biological family, but friends are still family you can choose (yes pun FULLY intended in reference to friends are family from lego batman).

these were all things that gave the ninja to treat themselves better and to grow as people. their powers, without the help of the golden power that lloyd gave them, are all heavily reliant on their mental stability. it's the same with the elemental powers given from golden power—but instead of being reliant on the individual's state of mind, it's reliant on lloyd's state of mind.

conclusion

lloyd slowly regains his golden power, and the ninja slowly come onto their own without relying on that same golden power. it's only a matter of time before lloyd can fully utilise golden power again.

think of golden power as an enhancement of one's ability to use their element. like a power-up ability. only lloyd's powers are golden because it's that concentrated. there are several instances when we see all the ninja focus their energy onto one area and the result looks very much like golden power.

because lloyd had to redistribute the golden power to the OG four, the concentration of that golden power was no longer as effective, hence why we don't really see gold in lloyd's spinjitzu form anymore. that is until s15, when the overlord is back with remnants, and he manages to absorb (?) said golden power.

thanks for reading! i feel like i've written three ninjago essays in the span of a week what is UP with me

edit: THIS WAS LONGER THAN MY TLNM COMPLAINT POST. WHAT?

[emzi-148]

Now that there's no school, intrusive thoughts are coming out

We know that in the TLNM Kai & Nya are in the same class. And there's the fact that Kai is older than Nya. Well, I have 4 guesses on why they're in the same class:

Kai & Nya are twins

Kai's a repeater student

Nya (and probably some of the other guys too) moved up a grade or two

Kai was older than he should be when he managed to get education (or in better words, if 4 is the right age to be enrolled for preschool, Kai got it when he was 5 or older)

P.S. I don't know if there's a confirmed answer for this. And dummy me for putting 3 💀💀💀

[juniperjellyfish]

Okay hear me out, because I have a theory.

Morro is from the cloud kingdom.

We know (or are at least pretty sure) that certain elements are native to certain realms. So what if wind is native to the cloud kingdom (I know this throws some wrenches in Wojira but ignore those until I overthink them away).

So Morro was born in the cloud kingdom, and the writers of destiny wiped his memories and cast him out when he developed powers. So when Wu, found him, he didn’t know he had powers and didn’t know where he was from.

This also explains why Morro was able to defy destiny. He was supposed to be a writer of it. Writers of destiny can be written about (hence the memory wipe), but it’s also a lot easier for them to defy destiny.

So when Morro’s power moved on, it went back to the Cloud Kingdom, but season five had such an effect on the place, that their power started falling apart and they practically became a joke.

I personally hc that they DID have the power to write destiny. Remember when Zane got his voice back because it was written? And then the writing on Dareth’s scroll turned red when Jay spilled the ink?

How can that all happen if the writers never had any power? Maybe the merge actually did screw things up! Maybe Morro’s actions caused a butterfly effect that drove them to irrelevancy?!

All I’m saying is that there’s no way they were useless from the start.

But if Morro was from the cloud kingdom, it makes it so much cooler that he swayed Fenwick over to his side. Fenwick probably recognized him and was like “Oh sh-t, this guy that was kicked out decades ago is back.” (I’m not gonna try to put a time on this, it’s up to interpretation if Fenwick was the one that kicked him out or if Fenwick came into power later)

Then it makes sense that Euphrasia was the one that got Morro’s power. She comes from the same place! Morro probably didn’t choose Euphrasia to give the power to, it was probably his element’s choosing. It was sick of not being welcomed in its own realm, and it knew that needed to be changed.

Alright, so I know there’s holes in this theory, but considering how many holes there are in Ninjago lore, I feel like the holes make it even more believable.

Thank you for coming to my TedTalk

Okay it’s been a few hours since I typed this and I thought of something. Wojira being solely wind and water never made sense to me. I mean- she has the storm amulet and the sea amulet. Storms are more than wind and the sea is more than water. Yes, those two elements are arguably the most influential in the amulets. But what about storm being wind, water, and lightning? Maybe the sea is water, and nature?

So maybe those elements played a hand in creating the amulets, but the reason only Nya’s power was acting up is because her element was the most connected to it? Maybe when all that happened is when Morro’s powers finally moved on!

Thanks again for coming to my TedTalk

[ninjago-x-lmk]

I have a Ninjago DR S2 Theory cooking up in the back of my head, but there’s literally so much spoilers so I’m not sure if everyone has watched it yet-

[grilledcheese-savage]

My theory on how Jay stays evil next season 😂 (Ninjago Dr Spoilers)

I doubt this will happen BUT I do 100% think this is how his arc will go, evil, fights ninja and they talk, confusion, then manipulated and then evil again. 😂

[malekthecat]

I've seen everyone making theories about this so this is my theory

my theory is: what if this happened to jay because of s6?

I mean, perhaps because of his wish, this happened to him and this was a price, or he suffered psychological trauma because of Nadakan? and this affected his memory, Also it was assumed that Jay and Nya did not remember what happened in S6, but for some reason they remembered, and this was to the detriment of his memory, and with time and seasons he lost his memory in dr? But he remembers some things from his life, such as before he met Wu and Ninja, and perhaps he remembers Nya(?) but as an unknown woman the girl who was a part of the sea...Perhaps he saw in his dreams his previous life before he lost his memory and he thought they were just dreams?

I think it's a strange theory, but it makes sense in my opinion :)

[galaxybooper]

Ninjago Ramblings

Cracks knuckles.

Let's do this. I did post this on my server already but I wanted to expand it after a whole day of drinking coffee.

Lloyd for a while can wield all four elements of creation. I think regardless of whether he's the golden ninja or not doesn't matter. Besides his "green" energy still resembles a lot like the elements of fire and lightning. Which goes into the title of his element discussion too. The title Master of Energy works. Why? Because the elements of creation are essentially a kind of energy.

Definitions of energy:

the strength and vitality required for sustained physical or mental activity. "changes in the levels of vitamins can affect energy and well-being"

a person's physical and mental powers. "an alternative is to devote your energies to voluntary work"

power derived from the utilization of physical or chemical resources, especially to provide light and heat or to work machines. "nuclear energy"

the property of matter and radiation which is manifest as a capacity to perform work (such as causing motion or the interaction of molecules). "a collision in which no energy is transferred" a degree or level of energy possessed by something or required by a process.

The FSM used the elements to create Ninjago and the other realms. He couldn't do it without the elements of creation and especially when they were embedded into the golden weapons of spinjitzu. It was an energy the FSM couldn't obtain/use. Now besides the creation of Ninjago and several other realms, why were the golden weapons still important? The FSM seems to be able to wield all four golden weapons and Garmadon was able too. AND the weapons are used to identify Lloyd as the green ninja. This can't be a mistake. Perhaps there was always meant to be one who would wield all four elements without bursting from the intensity of the powers. Like it had to genetically be passed down to "create" the vessel aka Lloyd. Ergo the golden weapons were used to identify the green ninja. The green ninja who would wield all four elements without needing the golden weapons. Ergo the legend of the green ninja was important. Because not only can the green ninja defeat the overlord BUT also to have a master of energy. The energy comes from the four elements of creation. I think the Golden Ninja thing was more like a power boost if anything. Sort of like with Riyu and Sora in DR. The ability was always inside Lloyd, he just needed help to find it himself.

This also goes into why the Overlord needed Lloyd in S3. He needed that extra power Lloyd had to regenerate a physical body. But think about it. That golden energy the Overlord took needed time to create a body and even at 99% it wasn't complete! Because the Overlord himself can't handle the immense power of all four elements of creation. He wasn't build/made to handle that power easily. He couldn't just take it all in seconds, he needed time to process the intense energy and withstand it. That's why in S3, no one could touch the blob of the melted together golden weapons. Because again, the power was far too great for anyone to handle.

Although the FSM and Garmadon were able to handle the four golden weapons, it's not the same as wielding all elements within you. In S2, Garmadon had the Mega Weapon but everytime he used it, it drained him of his powers for probably hours. And this was AFTER he obtained four arms by spending time in the Realm of Madness. The FSM couldn't handle the power, Garmadon, his son, couldn't handle it, but Lloyd seems to be able to.

The point of this ramble was to theorize. Maybe the FSM wanted kids to obtain someone who could handle all four elements after he passed away and when he noticed Garmadon and Wu not having that elemental power, maybe he hoped that his lineage would. Maybe he foresaw the realms needing the Master of Energy. Just maybe...

[iamsonormalaboutninjago]

Rewatching some shorts for therapy purposes and-

What if the reason why both young Wu and Garmadon wear the protection spell kimonos is because the FSM wanted to keep his boys safe from harm (and each other) after he was gone. :(

It’s also possible that the spells would only activate when the brothers fight, to break them up and prevent them from hurting each other :((

[jalluzas-ferney]

@legokingfisher btw someone tell me if these count as spoilers for season 2 part 2 cuz it’s not actually spoiling anything??? Its just theorizing how the ninja could go about brining jays memories back which we all know they’ll try to do at some point, probably- But I dunno

^^^^ THIS THIS THIS WOULD ACTUALLY WORK SO WELL BECAUSE WE NEED TO PUT ARRAKORES FUCKIN POWERRS TO USE AND JUST THE FACT THAT NYA WOULD BRING JAYS MEMORIES BACK WITH THE HELP OF A DJIN?!)!?? DO YOU GUYS SEE THIS?!!?!(! DO YALL SEEE ITTT

[steepwysdom]

Samura left willingly when she was younger. Jade and Hutchins are not related to the royal family, only the servants who have served them for generations.

This is as far as I can answer…!

[lightning-chicken]

something that’s been bugging me since the teaser trailer release is this photo:

if the theories are true and this is jay, why are his eyes glowing so much? lego characters don’t tend to have coloured eyes (except if they’re just like that, looking at you lloyd), let alone glowing eyes unless they’re actively using their powers to a large extent - eg kai regaining his powers in s11, cole using his spinjitzu burst, jay powering up the hydro bounty etc. (side note: i’m assuming they’re glowing based on the fact jay’s eyes are the same colour as nya’s spinjitzu in the background.)

so here’s the theory: jay’s being used by the administration due to his powers. they’re exploiting his powers somehow - either by making him use them in more subtle ways than normal (would explain why the ninja don’t realise those are lightning powers and therefore that’s jay), and/or encouraging him to not hold back when using his powers, and/or getting him to unlock a new (more sinister?) ability like cole.

for comparison, the last time (i think?) jay’s eyes glowed like that was charging the hydro bounty scene - y’know, the action that almost killed him. glowing eyes don’t mean good things for jay.

either way i think lightning could be an incredibly dangerous element in the hands of someone who doesn’t care what harm they cause with it.

[galaxybooper00]

Ninjago Rambling

Okay okay so we know the merge is also known as the coalescence By definition, it is the joining or merging of elements to form one mass or whole. What if. What if it is exactly that? The elements become far too unstable causing coalescence to happen?. That's why the first spinjitzu master made the golden weapons. To hold the element but that wasn't enough. So he then decided to make elemental masters that had the ability to withstand the elements' powers. But that wasn't enough either. He foresaw the coalescence due to the elements not being stabilized enough so he had to make the dragon cores out of pure elemental power to be able to stop the coalescence. That's why you have to use elemental power to close the merge quake. It would also explain how elements can be divided among several vessels or/and hosts. Ex: Nya, Nyad, amulets of Wojira. At least explains for the elements of creation and water and wind because I do HC the elements of creation to be the most powerful. One cannot handle it's raw power alone. So if the coalescence happened due to the elements not being stabilized enough how did it happen aka DR? Much like in Crystalized, several events caused the reaction. However, we can't assume FSM wasn't going to be aware of the events for at least in S1 and S2. To get to the prophecized battle between the Green Ninja and the Dark Lord, we had to get through S1. The events that might have caused the coalescence need to be after S2. In regards to that, I'm going back to the four elements of creation since they seem to be the most important.

1st event to trigger the coalescence would def be in S3 when Zane dies. It began to snow during Zane's funeral/rememberance. Although it's a sweet gesture I think this can be connected to the effects of Ragnork. Where it is said the first sign of Ragnork is Fimbulwinter which is three winters happen without a summer.

2nd event is when Zane and Cole (and if Jay also lost his elemental powers but I forgot) loses their elemental powers to Chen during S4 aka Tournament of Elements. Yes, many elemental holders lose their powers during S4 but I want to stay mostly focused on the four elements of creation. These elements are what FSM used to create Ninjago and several other realms. if they are indeed that powerful, then surely they would be the triggers to the Merge.

3rd event is in regards to Morro. Indeed he does not host one of the four elements of creation, however, I believe the elements of Wind and Water are the first two elements created by the instability of the four elements of creation. They are both powerful and ancient. I believe this would be the 3rd event because Morro had died but the element didn't move on to someone else. This error would def be a trigger

4th event is when Kai losing his elemental powers in S11 aka SoFS. Although it is not completely taken away from him as we learn throughout the season, it is still bad. Without a proper host, the element cannot be stable.

5th event is S14 aka Seabound. I don't think Wojira was meant to be awaken and thus another elemental master of water wasn't supposed to sacrifice themselves to merge with the ocean and save the day. Although it is not like the other events, I do believe it would be another trigger.

6th event is S15 aka Crystalized when Nya is stripped of her elemental powers. Again, going back to the idea that yes, she doesn't wield one of the elements of creation BUT the elements of Wind and Water are ancient enough and I believe second in importance. She does regain her element in time like Kai but the trigger still happened regardless. Because again, without a proper host, the element is unstable. Wu was not prepared for the coalescence because not all these events were meant to happen. Some were meant to happen but not all of them. By the time Wu realized the signs of the coalescence aka the Merge was to happen, it was too late Spoilers in regards to Dragons Rising below: It would also explain why FSM put the Dragon Cores in supposedly separate realms. Because he didn't see another coalescence to happen again. If he did, I'm sure he would have put them in Ninjago where the elemental masters are from. He left the realm crystal in Ninjago, he left the Golden Weapons of Spinjitzu in Ninjago, he left his staff in Ninjago. If he truly knew what was going to happen, he would be smart and keep the Dragon Cores in Ninjago. But he didn't. This means there have to be some events/triggers that he believed would never happen.

[aninjagoshipper]

My Garmasako theories for dragons rising season 2

So mark olivier aka the voice actor of garmadon said there might be garmasako in dragons rising season two so I have some theories

Theorie 1:Misako will get captured/kidnapped and when garmadon finds out he starts going crazy everywhere.

Theorie 2:Once garmadon and misako find eachother in the same realm misako runs to garmadon and they both hug and cry happy tears after finding eachother

Thats all my theories for now cya in the next post