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partfae · 2 months ago
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Sauron, Galadriel, & Tolkien's Theology of Repentance - Part One
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Summary: Character meta analysis on Sauron (and Galadriel, through the lens of Sauron). Based on both Silmarillion & RoP canon. 3.5k words. Discussion of Catholic theology involved. Blanket TW for discussion of violence, manipulation, etc., because Sauron. Spoilers for S1 & S2 and the Silmarillion, of course. The tragedy of Sauron is that he gets offered so many legitimate chances at redemption and forgiveness, and he denies them every single time. But we know he wants absolution, because that’s what he sees Galadriel as: his chance to bind himself back to the light, to be Mairon again, to heal the pain that he caused and that was caused to him under Morgoth. But because he has such a warped view of himself and his actions, he dismisses genuine extensions of compassion, forgiveness, and care as simultaneously beneath him and too good for him. And yet, he still pursues redemption, but through none of the channels offered to him.
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In The Rings of Power, he’s given the explicit instruction to change for the good in the village after he’s reborn. He’s given the chance leave his past behind and work meaningfully in NĂșmenor. He’s given the chance to redeem himself by Galadriel's offer of friendship (or love, depending on your interpretation). In the Silmarillion, he's even given the chance by EönwĂ« himself, and comes close to leaving Morgoth behind completely!
Let's look at this passage from Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age (emphasis mine):
When Thangorodrim was broken and Morgoth overthrown, Sauron put on his fair hue again and did obeisance to Eönwë the herald of Manwë, and abjured all his evil deeds. And some hold that this was not at first falsely done, but that Sauron in truth repented, if only out of fear, being dismayed by the fall of Morgoth and the great wrath of the Lords of the West. But it was not in the power of Eönwë to pardon those of his own order, and he commanded Sauron to return to Aman and there receive the judgement of Manwë. Then Sauron was ashamed, and he was unwilling to return in humiliation to receive from the Valar a sentence, it might be, of long servitude in proof of his good faith; for under Morgoth his power had been great. Therefore when Eönwë departed he hid himself in Middle-earth; and he fell back into evil, for the bonds that Morgoth had laid upon him were very strong.
This passage is clear that Eönwë is willing to pardon Sauron--he simply did not posses the power to do so. But when Sauron was told he must appeal directly Manwë, he gave up entirely and skulked back to Middle-earth. There are a few ways to read this:
1. He was not wholly repentant
Sauron simply wanted the protection of a new master in the absence of Melkor. i.e., he was rather fickle and simply wanted to be on whatever the "winning" side was. This is supported by the text literally saying that at least some of his obeisance was completely false, and that he only made a point of feeling bad about anything once his master had been chucked into the Void and his armies and strongholds were being destroyed (Thangorodrim). In this reading, perhaps Eönwë saw Sauron's treachery and referred him to Manwë knowing that it would be a test of his true intent. However, while a valid interpretation, I believe this to be the less holistic of the two.
2. He was truly repentant
Sauron did truly feel badly and "abjured all his evil deeds," but he was unwilling/unable to humble himself after being so fundamentally broken by Melkor and developing an insatiable power lust (hey, he isn't defined in the narrative by lust and pride for nothing).
Earlier in this same chapter, Tolkien wrote that Sauron could "...deceive all but the most wary." This is in the specific context of his physical shapeshifting. But, I would argue that this can also be tied to his lies. Tolkien has a specific ethic of beauty, where physical perfection is equated with moral goodness. Sauron completely inverts what is otherwise a hard and fast rule within Tolkien's writings by being the character most frequently described as "fair"--seven times to LĂșthien's six, and she was the most beautiful woman to have ever lived!
(Side note: I have another post on Tolkien & beauty in the works where I'll get more into this idea)
Why does this matter? Even though this interaction with Eönwë takes place in the First Age, Sauron could at this point be in the demonic form Mirdania describes in the forge. And, I am inclined to believe that Eönwë, as the head Maiar and herald of Manwë, would be a pretty wary guy, and thus able to sense any of Sauron's trickery. I read this to mean that Eönwë looked at Sauron and saw his potential to be Mairon again, either in absence of his evil form or in spite of it.
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Because Sauron is incredibly beautiful. And even if it is a disguise of the true, depreciated form of his spiritual essence, he presented himself to Eönwë at his most beautiful. He wanted, even in his act of repentance, to make himself more favorable in Eönwë's eyes. To show up as Mairon (who was likely close friends with Eönwë before everything went down, since they are considered to be two of the most powerful Maia and would have worked closely together).
But I don't think this was all manipulation on Sauron's end. I agree with the scholars mentioned in the text who believed that Sauron was truly repentant--which is why Eönwë even bothered referring him to Manwë instead of kicking him into the Void with Melkor.
And this is the tragedy: Sauron is told exactly how to repent, and believes fundamentally that it is an impossible path for him. And yet, he still longs so intrinsically for it! He was, under Aulë, a Maia of precision, perfection, and order. Under Morgoth, he feels disordered, dis-regulated. He needs to correct the fundamental imbalance within him, so why does he flee Eönwë?
It comes back to Sauron's pride.
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If he follows through with this path of reconciliation, there is no way he can hide or pretend his actions away. If he cannot trick his fellow Maiar, he certainly cannot trick the Valar. And he cannot stand the idea of submitting himself back under their rule, especially now that he has tasted power. This is a pride wound; it is why the idea of confessing to Manwë would be humiliating to him as opposed to just upsetting/uncomfortable.
Again, the pivotal moment: he is told how to make amends for crimes and determines that he cannot do it. So he returns to Middle-earth and stews in his own self-hated and self-pity for a few years. In that time, he consciously or subconsciously latches onto Eönwë's offer--forgiveness from penance. It is the way forward. And if he cannot earn penance at Manwë's hand, he will do it on his own.
The Prodigal Son
This is where we have to talk about the Catholic roots of Tolkien's work for a moment. The scene where Sauron approaches Eönwë mirrors the biblical parable of the prodigal son. In this story, a man abandons his family, spends all his money, and falls into ruin. But when he recognizes his failings and returns to his father to get help, he is welcomed back into the family without question--in other words, he is forgiven and restored to his former position.
17 But when he [the prodigal son] came to himself he said, “How many of my father’s hired hands have bread enough and to spare, but here I am dying of hunger! 18 I will get up and go to my father, and I will say to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you; 19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son; treat me like one of your hired hands.’” 20 So he set off and went to his father. But while he was still far off, his father saw him and was filled with compassion; he ran and put his arms around him and kissed him. - Luke 15:11-32, NRSV CE (emphasis mine)
The parallel is clear; Mairon, the repentant Maia, returns home with hopes of reconciliation. He is prescribed the same task that the prodigal son offered to his father: he must be bound in servitude to his father/creator in order to pay off his debts. This is a deliberate allusion from Tolkien. The story of the prodigal son models the path of reconciliation that Eönwë describes. Tolkien seems to be drawing a line in the sand with this: Sauron is unwilling to do the work required by the Valar for repentance, so he is unable to receive the grace of a warm welcome back into the fold of the Ainur. Since he did not humble himself, he has to be told to do it. And he does not want to! He wants to be loved, but he also wants his power--evidence, in a way, of how his character was fundamentally altered in his time with Morgoth.
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His pride--and his fear--cut him off from the potential of grace. He does not know for certain that Manwë would subject him to servitude (though I would argue that it's textually evident that it is a custom), but this assumption leads him to flee, which allows him to slip back into his old ways.
He wants to be Mairon (admirable) again, not Sauron (abhorrent). He wants to be accepted and loved, but not punished. He wants the benefits of reconciliation without the work he would have to do to earn it or the shame he would feel as he did. It's pride, but it's also deep shame--the flip side of his extreme ego is an implicit self-hatred, one that we can see in the subtext of how he speaks about himself and about his time with Morgoth.
Even the language Tolkien uses is heavily shame-coded, especially in a Catholic context; Mairon did not go willingly, he was "seduced." He admits to Celebrimbor that he was "tortured by a god". It becomes exceedingly clear through both text and on-screen canon that Sauron was routinely broken and abused for centuries. This has fundamentally damaged his self-perception, which is ultimately what leads him to "[fall] back into evil"--whether due to pride or shame, he hides, perhaps because he consciously or subconsciously does not believe that he deserves forgiveness, no matter how much he craves it.
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Naked in the Garden
His flight back to Middle-earth after meeting Eönwë is reminiscent of another biblical scene, where Adam and Eve, after committing the first sin, hide from God in shame and fear (emphasis mine):
7 Then the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they were naked...9 But the Lord God called to the man, and said to him, “Where are you?” 10 He said, “I heard the sound of you in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.” -Genesis 7-10, NRSV CE
The image of nakedness is, here, one of vulnerability, and Tolkien establishes that Sauron fears that which he cannot control. He needs the Rings under his power. He needs his armies and his enemies under his watchful eye. He is petrified of letting his power slip away (possibly due to never wanting to feel powerless in the hands of a Vala, fallen or not, again).
The biblical allusion here hearkens back to the fear Tolkien describes Sauron as feeling regarding his return to the Ainur. In the religious system Tolkien has established, which is likely inspired by his own religious beliefs, Sauron has sinned, and must make penance. But he is afraid of God/Manwë, and does not want to "let go" of his sin. In other words, he is not truly repentant. This reflects the Catholic sacrament of confession, which requires self-reflection and resolve to never commit the sin again.
Instead of shame driving him to contrition, it drives him to isolation.
But he still wants forgiveness. So, in his years of hiding in Middle-earth, he decides to earn it himself. His own way.
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Enter the Rings.
Sauron wants to perfect the wrong he wreaked so that he can both earn his way back into the Ainur and keep his power. But what he does not realize is that this does not work. Eönwë is clear that he must forsake his true temptation--absolute power--through penance by submission. Yet Sauron in his pride thinks he can have it all. Sauron is a very carefully controlled villain, and the only times he snaps or makes significant mistakes are when his inflated self-perception is challenged, revealing the self-loathing and/or self-pity underneath. The best example of this is when he kills Celebrimbor prematurely, and cries afterwards. Why? Because Celebrimbor was right about him, and he hates it. He hates knowing that he is nothing more than the Morgoth's shadow, because Morgoth was his master as much as he was his tormentor. As Sauron puts it, his relationship with Morgoth was often defined by pain as a test to see "whose will was the mightier":
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This image carries more shame, both in its implicit sexual connotations and in the simple power dynamic of it. Sauron, even though misguided, is rallying against Morgoth. He wants to break what Morgoth has created and build something new, something better, something apart from his old master entirely. But Celebrimbor confronts him with reality: he has not created something new, and perfect, and special, as he so wanted to--he can only act in imitation, not in generation. And when he got close with the Rings, it cost him everything. It's almost like he wants the power of a Vala, and loathes that he cannot attain it.
And this is why he becomes so singularly obsessed with Galadriel.
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She’s his foil. They both crave power and adoration, but in the end of things, she does not fold under his temptation. She turns down everything she has ever wanted for the greater good and for the sake of her own soul. Sauron looks at Galadriel and perceives that she would have succeeded at EönwĂ«'s test because she is willing and able to humble herself. This maddens him to the point of both desiring her and desiring to break her.
She learns that she is easily tempted and becomes strong enough to handle it (through a lot of tough love from Elrond & co.). She has to learn how to do it, but she is able to.
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She grows from someone who resisted and rejected authority to someone who is trusted as an authority because of her ability to wield it wisely (see: Gil-galad allowing her to answer for him in 2x08).
In other words, she earns the trust, love, and support of her community. Sauron has to force his to comply—it is an illusion of love.
His possessive obsession with her also stems from her fairness. She was the object of her uncle FĂ«anor's obsessive desire for creation as well. Her hair was the inspiration of the Silmarils (see: The History of Galadriel and Celeborn; The Shibboleth of FĂ«anor - source with page #s here), which Morgoth desired more than anything to possess.
Sauron, wanting to spite his master, wants one better--to own that which inspired the Silmarils, to own the image of fairness (and thus of moral good) completely. This is why he wants to bind himself to her. This is why he needs her. He sees Galadriel as his mechanism of repentance, and his last triumph over Morgoth. Winning her is his salvation as much as it is proving that his will is the mightier. It is his way of dominating Morgoth. This starts, I think, as a genuine effort at proving himself to the Valar, but quickly consumes him entirely. He is overcome with the desire for revenge, just as Galadriel was at the beginning of the First Age.
And he sees this in her. Sees their similarities. Sees that she, too, is angry and lonely and so afraid of losing her power. And he leverages that to befriend her. This is where it gets ambiguous and you can read RoP as either painting the image of Sauron being earnest but completely misguided in his proposal, or you can see it as him being entirely manipulative.
I think the truth of that scene probably falls somewhere in the middle; just like when he presents himself to Eönwë, he is sincere in his desire, but only knows how to present it in an inherently contriving way. He does want to bind her to him, so he tries to only reveal to her the good aspect of that desire (and also of his desire for power, which he allows her to see because he believes that it is good and also because she understands it), and not the ugly underside of his internal struggle against Morgoth, the Valar, and himself.
And I do think, in his own way, he cared about her. Galadriel consistently shows kindness and compassion to him. In S1, they grow to know each other's minds and souls, and she considers him a close friend. He finds comfort in this, that someone could see the blackness of his heart and care for him anyway. He thought, in his isolation, that he lost that chance when he fled back to Middle-earth. And here is the very picture of the light itself telling him that she supports him, that she sees the good in him, that she wants to help him set the world to rights! Of course he is infatuated by this. Of course he also wants to use it. He is Sauron.
But Galadriel succeeds where he fails, so he stops playing nice and tries to forcibly drag her down with him. First, by baiting her with the image of the man she cared deeply for:
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Then, by reminding her of all she is losing by rejecting him:
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And she is still strong enough to say no. And not just to say no, but to shut the door completely. To look in the face of everything she has desired for centuries and turn it down, understanding that it will ruin her. Yes, she hesitates. Yes, she still wants it (wants him). But she wins the day by holding fast to the light that Sauron wishes so badly to bind himself to.
Because she has lost everything--her brother, her husband, the station as commander, the trust of her high king and best friend--and earns it back only through her resistance of her greatest temptation. It is a struggle, it is painful, it nearly kills her--but she does it. She wins the test that Sauron could not even bear to face.
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In their headlong, self-sacrificial tendencies, they are the same. Both view themselves as fundamentally stronger/better than their peers while also being deeply lonely due to their self-imposed isolation (Galadriel's laser-focused hunt for revenge, Sauron's exile in Middle-earth). But to Galadriel, the light is more important than her pride.
For Sauron, the light is his source of pride. He desires it more than anything, but condemns himself to never being able to touch it due to his rejection of Eönwë's offer. Paradoxically, he tries to grasp at it through Galadriel, the living silmaril, and succeeds only in darkening her. We learn from Gil-galad in 2x08 that his crown piercing her flesh in an act of brutal domination nearly strips her soul from her and pitches it into the unseen world. In this, Sauron is saying: If I cannot have you, I will force you to need me. I will break you into loving me.
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He says this to Celebrimbor as well. He no longer knows how to love properly. He only knows how to inflict pain until this object of his obessive desire needs him--just like how his immortal spirit was broken into submission by Morgoth. And isn't this revealing of his own sense of self? He refuses to suffer the path of light, but willingly suffers the maddening path of darkness because it is a comfortable, familiar suffering. One, he tells Celebrimbor, he even grew to enjoy (2x08). As the path of the Rings drive him madder and madder, his desire for the light (Galadriel) and the return of his power (Celebrimbor) become further disordered and corrupted until they culminate in him destroying them--and his chance at earning/owning them--entirely.
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And this is Sauron's ultimate point of no return (which we will hopefully see in S3 đŸ€ž). The razing of Eregion and slaying of Celebrimbor were acts of petty rage he committed when his pride was injured. This was the final nail in the coffin. Galadriel, in her rejection of him, ruins what he sees as his true chance for redemption.
Galadriel, now stepping into the role of Eönwë, re-opens the invitation: "Heal yourself!" (2x08). But in rage and shame and stubborn pride, he turns it down again. I believe this is where his desire to heal Middle-earth shifts fundamentally into desire to dominate Middle-earth. He always wanted to rule, but now he wants to own.
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realidadposts · 2 years ago
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scimitar-and-longsword · 9 months ago
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I love your headcanons. What's your favorite one about Nicky ? And/or your favorite character trait of him?
Oh my goodness, thank you!
Nicky Nicky Nicky 💕💕💕
My FAVORITE??? That's a tall order cause there are so many things I love about him. Luca did such a stellar job of taking this character who doesn't have as much screentime as some of the other characters and bringing him to life in the most subtle ways. (I have an entire meta about subtle face acting from him and Marwan lol which side note, is flagged for sexual content, and I was sitting here reading it like "what why?? This is just about facial expressions?" And then I got halfway through and went "oop- that'll do it 😅")
I wrote a meta about this back in the old days, but I think about it every time I rewatch the movie so I'm saying it again: I love that Nicky is fiercely physical with his love.
We certainly get to see Joe be more vocal about is love, (and it's a violent movie they all are physical lol) but every bit of Nicky's physicality and fight chreo is about protecting people.
He is constantly protecting those around him with his body (and to be fair, they all do this at some point. Perks of being immortal is that you can use your body as a shield) but Nicky just KEEPS doing it.
There's a subtle moment after Joe gets stabbed by Merrick where TO ME it looks like he's trying to get between Joe and Merrick. The guy holding back Nicky is like GRIPPING his shoulder.
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Nicky is constantly going from the front of the group to the rear and back again. Like he needs to be the first line of defense against wherever the most unknowns are.
He does it when they first exit the lab they were being held in. He's second out of the door, following Nile's lead, but then immediately covers the rear (after executing a completely unnecessary slide move that you can only see in behind the scenes footage and always makes me laugh.) to then turn around and cover everyone else as they exit.
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Then again when he takes the bullet for Andy, he's at the rear of the group with Joe, takes the bullet, and then runs through the ENTIRE group, while healing from said bullet, past the door they are going to go into (and presumably check that it's clear) to cover the other end of the hall. And look at that he's at the rear of the group again... Over the course of not even half a minute. Ping pong ball Nicky over here.
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When Joe and Nicky are fighting Keane after the explosion Nicky is fucking reckless with how he fights, and mostly cause Joe is kind of getting his ass kicked. 😅 He throws himself onto Keane not once but twice! Both times when Joe is about to get absolutely bodied.
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In a similar fashion, Nicky often acts like a battering ram, taking people down for Joe to take out just after him. (If you go back up to that behind the scenes gif of Nicky sliding you can see he does this there too. Shoots a guy in the knee who Joe then shoots in the head.)
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Idk if this was at all coherent because I'm writing this on my phone while watching a Tinkerbell movie with my daughter 😂 so I'm sure I'm missing so many more examples of it. But Nicky is often quiet with his words, but he is not quite with his actions and I love that about him!!
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bluethepineapple · 1 year ago
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Reconciling Kindness and Callousness: A Discussion on Hermione and Emotions
One of the aspects that people struggle a lot with when it comes to Hermione is how she deals with emotions. This is a struggle that I, personally, find to be fair because she is quite complex in this regard.
Hermione can analyze people's emotional states well and is often shown manipulating emotions to get what she wants. We can see this as early as Philosopher's Stone where she, for example, flatters Hagrid to get him to reveal more information about the Stone.
“Oh, come on, Hagrid, you might not want to tell us, but you do know, you know everything that goes on round here,” said Hermione in a warm, flattering voice. Hagrid’s beard twitched and they could tell he was smiling. “We only wondered who had done the guarding, really.” Hermione went on. “We wondered who Dumbledore had trusted enough to help him, apart from you.”
As the series goes on, we will find more and more examples of Hermione perceiving, analyzing, responding, and even using other people's emotions with great accuracy and sensitivity. Most notable perhaps is her explaining Cho's emotional state to Harry and Ron in OotP, but several smaller examples are littered all over the books like her being the first to notice Neville's distress in GoF, correctly reading Harry's feelings about the Goblet of Fire, and giving a similar analysis for Tonks in HBP among other.
For as many examples as we can give of her perceptiveness and sensitivity to emotions, it also cannot be denied that Hermione commits massive social blunders over the series, many of which are attributable to emotional stupidity or failing to read the room. Most notable perhaps is her reaction to the death of Lavender's bunny where she uses it as a jumping point to try and convince her of the bogusness of Divination. There are many other examples of course, ranging from her haranguing Harry and Ron early in PS, to her approach with the house-elves, to insisting Harry teach them DADA in OotP despite his obvious discomfort.
How does one then reconcile Hermione's great sensitivity to people's emotions with her just as great callousness, both being prominent and consistent aspects of her character all throughout the series.
To me the answer is three-fold.
First, Hermione is incredibly cerebral even when it comes to emotions.
It is worth noting that Hermione's assessments of people aren't actually instinctive or even very empathetic. Rather, they are often profiles she builds about people based on observation and inference.
Let us take a look at the way she dissects Cho's feelings for example:
“Well, obviously, she’s feeling very sad, because of Cedric dying. Then I expect she’s feeling confused because she liked Cedric and now she likes Harry, and she can’t work out who she likes best. Then she’ll be feeling guilty, thinking it’s an insult to Cedric’s memory to be kissing Harry at all, and she’ll be worrying about what everyone else might say about her if she starts going out with Harry. And she probably can’t work out what her feelings toward Harry are anyway, because he was the one who was with Cedric when Cedric died, so that’s all very mixed up and painful. Oh, and she’s afraid she’s going to be thrown off the Ravenclaw Quidditch team because she’s been flying so badly.”
Hermione says what Cho's feeling and then follows it up with the circumstances that might have created those feelings plus her evidence for them. She lays everything out in a clean and methodical manner very reminiscent to when she's lecturing the boys about some sort of fact in their missions.
While certainly not cold or emotionless, it does become readily apparent that Hermione processes the emotions of people around her the same way she processes most other forms of information. She "studies" people around her, and from there, builds a baseline of information against which she infers what they are feeling and decides how to respond accordingly. In many ways, people's emotions to her are information just like any other.
Secondly, as kind and as warm as Hermione is, she prioritizes problem-solving over caretaking and is amazing at compartmentalizing emotions away if that's what it takes to get things done.
The fact that she understands what someone else is going through does not always mean she prioritizes these feelings. As mentioned above, what she understands of other people's emotions is just another bit of information she holds - and how she uses these facts vary wildly depending on whichever problem she was trying to solve at the time. Whenever she makes a social blunder, it is almost always traceable to her needing to solve some problem first and insisting on solutions that require significant emotional costs from the people around her.
The most extreme version of this is probably her insisting that Ron focus on their mission right after Fred dies.
They seemed to be wrestling together, and for one mad second Harry thought that they were embracing again; then he saw that Hermione was trying to restrain Ron, to stop him running after Percy. “Listen to me—LISTEN RON!” “I wanna help—I wanna kill Death Eaters—” His face was contorted, smeared with dust and smoke, and he was shaking with rage and grief. “Ron, we’re the only ones who can end it! Please—Ron—we need the snake, we’ve got to kill the snake!” said Hermione. But Harry knew how Ron felt: Pursuing another Horcrux could not bring the satisfaction of revenge; he too wanted to fight, to punish them, the people who had killed Fred, and he wanted to find the other Weasleys, and above all make sure, make quite sure, that Ginny was not—but he could not permit that idea to form in his mind— “We will fight!” Hermione said. “We’ll have to, to reach the snake! But let’s not lose sight now of what we’re supposed to be d-doing! We’re the only ones who can end it!” She was crying too, and she wiped her face on her torn and singed sleeve as she spoke, but she took great heaving breaths to calm herself as, still keeping a tight hold on Ron, she turned to Harry. "You need to find out where Voldemort is, because he’ll have the snake with him, won’t he? Do it, Harry—look inside him!”
From the section I bolded, it is obvious that Hermione knows that Ron is grieving and that she too is feeling the horror of Fred's death as well. It is worth noting though that she doesn't actually spare any words to comfort Ron. She doesn't stop to talk him through his feelings - rather she is telling him over and over that their mission has to come first. They both watched Fred die, but her focus even now is seeing the mission through.
This leads us to the final aspect:
Hermione projects this ability to compartmentalize to the people around her, especially when she believes them to be working together.
It is noteworthy that not only did Hermione set her own emotions aside, she asked that Ron do so too. And when Ron finally calms down, she then asks Harry to go and look into Voldemort's head. Not only is she compartmentalizing her own emotions away, she expects both boys to do so too.
Once more, there are many smaller instances like the above that cropped up all over the series. The Lavender problem, her campaign with the house-elves, her insistence that Harry teaches them DADA, her many many arguments with Harry - all of these are traceable to her insistence on setting emotion aside to solve a problem.
Doing the right thing holds primacy over people's feelings - both her own and those of the people around her.
Conclusion:
Hermione is a sensitive individual who reads people's emotions well and has many times reacted with great kindness and empathy to distress. This ability to read emotions however happens in line with her very cerebral personality, and while she can be sweet and caring, when push comes to shove Hermione focuses on problem-solving. This oftens leads to a disregard for other people's feelings and a consistent streak of callousness.
All in all, I find Hermione's relationship with emotions to be utterly fascinating. It is complex and dynamic, something that we see grow with her over time. Her reactions and tendencies are not clear-cut nor easy to map. Not only does Hermione defy the false dichotomy of book intelligence versus emotional intelligence, both are integral in the way she processes and reacts to emotion.
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aziraphales-lawyer · 1 year ago
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Archangel Michael Changing Sides in s3 (?)
I don't have a whole lot to back this up but I've noticed that there isnt a whole lot of theories about Michael and Uriel—especially Michael since Michael *is* one of the most prominent Archangels alongside Gabriel Raphael, Uriel, etc. And they knew that! Basically appointing themself as Gabriel's unofficial replacement (and its safe to assume that Michael expected to be the official replacement once they find (and then fire) Gabriel. Even AZIRAPHALE knew that, saying "Michael" immediately after the Metatron asked him about who would be the next Supreme Archangel. It seems like everyone is aware of this hierarchy. And the Metatron is very very aware of this hierarchy, needless to say, the bitch does NOT care. The Metatron let Michael play leader for a while and even let them believe that they're the next Supreme Archangel.
That being said, what happens to Michael now?
By the time s2 ends, Michael STILL thinks that they're going to be the next Supreme Archangel!! The Metatron made all the angels (except Aziraphale and Muriel) go back to Heaven. Michael is unaware that they are, in fact, NOT the next Supreme Archangel - but rather the traitor angel who has gone 'native' and, as far as they're concerned, immune to Hellfire.
Michael is also considered a prince of heaven, much like Gabriel. They're considered Chief Prince and would be the one to supposedly lead all the angels to victory against evil in The End Times (this role sounds awfully familiar). But now their role seems to be taken by Aziraphale. (Oof). So it seems like they will either be Aziraphale's right hand like they were Gabriel's (unlikely – and I'll get more into that later), or (the only other option) defy the Metatron's plans.
They know Aziraphale is as much of a traitor as Gabriel (trying to stop Armageddon AND "Fraternizing" with a demon!! – and Michael is aware that Aziraphale did it first anyway!!!) So, the Metatron appointing Aziraphale? It Does Not Make Sense. So either they take Aziraphale being Supreme Archangel at face value or NOT. Which will probably start a small Arc of them questioning Her Plans.
Not that Michael is all-innocent, either. After all, they're the angel who has direct contact - not just to *Hell* but to the *Duke of Hell*. Regardless of whether or not Gabriel knew about this contact.
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Michael seems to be cautious, hiding it from the other angels despite their authority over them. They know they're not supposed to "fraternize" will Hell, yet they do. And this probably won't be the last time they do it! Michael already has one foot in the door, just needs a push to get them through. That being said,
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They also provided Hell with Holy Water and brought it down there themself. Now, regardless of whether this was an agreement between Heaven and Hell to trade Hellfire/Holy Water, it's still striking that it was Michael who brought it Down To Hell, seemingly not even bothered by the fact that they're surrounded by demons. Michael - who, in Christian belief - being the one who led the army of angels who cast down Satan and his army of rebellious angels into Hell. Michael basically waltzed into the teritory of Every Person Who Hates Them Ever and didn't give a fuck. This may be due to their trust of Heaven/Hell's truce to execute two beings. Though I doubt Michael WOULD trust the truce (again, Michael walked into the Michael Hate Club HQ). No, Michael is aware of their power over the situation of their power over the demons because they've done it before. Being around a legion of them doesn't scare Michael, and they're probably prepared to smite any demon who even tries their patience. They were only genuinely worried when Aziraphale (as Crowley) went into the bathtub unscathed. At that point, Michael realizes that they have power against every demon in Hell. Except One. Which brings me to the next point–
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I dont think Michael will play nice with Aziraphale being the next Supreme Archangel. And neither will Aziraphale to Michael. To put it in a parallel (kind of), Aziraphale probably hates Michael as much as Crowley hates Gabriel. Beelzebub may have put Crowley in trial, but it was Michael who personally brought down the Holy Water. Maybe Aziraphale expected something horrible from the demons ("You're The Bad Guys") but Michael? "Archangel Michael?"//"I made Michael miracle me a towel", no, Aziraphale is just as pissed, and I believe he's playing it down like Crowley. Aziraphale was surprised it was even Michael at all, not the Holy Water, the fact that The Archangel brought it down themself for the destruction of his beloved demon. (Ineffable Idiots is a separate post, honestly). And now they're supposed to work together to bring about the Second Coming while Aziraphale just took the Major Role that Michael would have played in it? That doesn't sound like they'd work well together – that's why, I think, they wont.
And here's more things to consider:
(Images via @noneorother )
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In the image– Composition is very important! But guess what- Michael is not just NOT WITH THE OTHER ANGELS but also ISOLATED on the OTHER SIDE! Their body is facing away from the other angels but towards Shax (who is now Duke of Hell by the time s3 rolls around, I suppose???) Which we know Michael has contact to (or knows how to contact). Theyre also facing the same direction as Gabriel, now if that means much – and this is a shot about as long as the Bentley/Aziraphale body swap theory – but the Va Va Voom Yellow paint was something they weren't even expecting people to notice so I'm taking this opportunity anyway!
Anyway, like I said earlier, Michael already works with demons and has been since s1. They obviously know how to access "back channels". With their dispute with Aziraphale, questioning why the Metatron appointed him of all angels– well, Michael has more than enough (albeit, selfish) reasons to do it again. (Sometimes a selfish reason is enough, worked with Gabriel after all) I wouldn't know what their plan would be but all their motives to do so are already spelled out for us.
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On the next image, its pretty easy to see how the character/backgrounds are tilted. Most of them "line up" with their respective backgrounds-except for- you guessed it. Michael. (And I think Saraquel too?) BUT while the angels are tilting one way - a different direction than the rest of the gang - Michael's tilt is the same direction as the rest of them even though their background is tilting another way (like Uriel's). This can either be read as changing sides despite their percieved respective side - OR - they are playing both sides, or will be.
Either way, I don't think Michael will continue to play with the Metatron's games after the Metatron took away their biggest role in The End Times and gave it to Heaven's most notorious traitor.
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queerolddad · 1 year ago
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S1 Ep1 if Hannibal, Aperitif, does a spectacular job highlighting the ways in which Hannibal and Will are dark reflections of one another concerning their empathy — or lack thereof — towards humans versus animals.
When we are initially introduced to Will, he seems distant if not blatantly standoffish, verging on rude in his conversation with jack.
He is not endeared to us right away, initially put off by his rejection of conventional societal norms
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This is then immediately challenged by the scene of Will rescuing Winston. He shows an innate gentleness and extensive patience in building trust with the dog and easily accepting him into his life.
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For Will, dogs are the antithesis of people. They are simple and straightforward, easily accepting any act of love and affection and eager to return the favor with loyalty and trust without ulterior motives.
Enter Hannibal.
We are introduced to Hannibal immediately after Will asserts that this serial killer is eating his victims. Will goes on to say that this killer sees these girls as merely pigs, nothing more than ingredients for his dinner parties.
We know from jump that Hannibal is a killer and a cannibal, but it is jarring when we’re told he’s violent and without empathy, only to be shown his methodical care and love when it comes to preparing his meals.
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A soft and romantic piece of music plays in the background, mirroring the soundtrack during the scene with Will and Winston. We are being introduced to these characters both from within and without, a unique perspective one does not expect from media surrounding a notorious killer and cannibal.
They are both outcasts or society in their own ways with Hannibal slightly better at adapting with his “person suit” than Will. They both have deep wells of empathy, but they are different than most. They do not connect to other people and instead find other ways of expressing empathy.
Empathy does not equal kindness or compassion, it is merely an understanding of the motives and feelings of others. It does not imply that one feels or interprets these feelings in the same way, only that they are able to receive and reflect them.
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They can only understand each other, each acting as the foil for the other. Hannibal nurtures the dark side of Will’s empathy while Will unknowingly coaxes out a possessive and devoted side of Hannibal he has not experienced since Mischa. Their relationships with other are shallow, although for Will it is a constant search for connection while for Hannibal it is a deliberate manipulation tactic.
Hence why when in Mizumono when Alana asks Hannibal if she ever could have understood him, Hannibal almost sadly replies “no.”
We see them immediately connect with each other over a meal — Hannibal’s expression of love and connection alongside Will’s understanding of a beast enamored by its feeder. Will wants to be trapped, understood, fed. Hannibal wants to feed.
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sakuplumeria · 1 year ago
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Do you think if Albert really confident on himself or it just his mask?
I got an ask at tellonym about Albert and I think it's interesting so Imma share it here too.
tbh. oh boy i think this is gonna be long, prepare your wine!
Albert, even though forced at first, had been doing it (socializing) since he was very very little. So I think he was masking his confidence as a child. Now, he grew and he kept doing it, and the fire happened, and he had a new purpose for 'masking' himself. If he did it out of duty before, now he did it because it's his role. Doing it over the years made him acknowledged by people around him, the nobles and also people in his household. That must had given him more and more confidence. like for real.
When he was an adult, I think it kinda integrated with his real self? Like, he could own it and it was his. It was already his. It's very hard to explain but I can relate so much. I grew up like him, in a similar setting, in this terms (being confident). Also, as an INFJ like Albert. we do own our masks. Like, we embrace them as a part of ourselves in a way? So Albert, I think he is confident genuinely, but it can also be a mask, sometimes. Like that time in the Final Problem, when Will changed the plan and Albert said "I know you Will, you have a plan in mind..." I feel like that one was a mask. When he revealed himself to Irene in the ball, that's genuine.
I think anon asked about this because we all see him being so vulnerable after spending three years locked up in the tower. Was this person really the same confident Albert we saw before? Yes, he was still Albert all the same.
I think, Albert stripped from his confidence could happen to anyone in the same situation. It's not that he lost his purpose to live (supporting William's plan), but he found a new purpose. That was, to suffer the weight of sin and shame in place of William as the Lord of Crime, and he truly lived for that purpose. He beat himself again and again until he felt worthless or even worse than that. He was fulfilling his new role and gosh, he was devoted to it. You know what, I think that he was over confident that what he's doing was right XD
After that we saw William pulled him up again, and so he was given another purpose to live. We saw him humbled but hey, he was still teasing Moran right? He probably was masking it again but I think it came so naturally because it was seriously a part of him. Being confident, that is.
Maybe, we can never know. Maybe he wouldn't be able to distinguish if he's masking his confidence or not. But that's just who Albert was :)
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piracytheorist · 2 years ago
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Spy x Family masterpost
Reminder that I do not read the manga past what the anime has adapted. None of the posts here include manga spoilers, and I would ask of you to not tell me any such spoilers if you reblog them!
Posts are listed newest to oldest. You're welcome to reblog this post, but I will update it with new posts as I make them.
Tag for fanart (by other people)
Tag for meta (by me and other people)
Fanfic
The blog where I count each character's separate screentime per episode
Reactions/analyses of season 2 episodes
Crack recaps by me
My thoughts on the Spy x Anya game
My thoughts on the film Spy x Family Code: White
Small Things I Spot, Headcanons & Theories (on different posts because tumblr won't allow more links)
Meta / Analysis
An analysis of leitmotifs in the anime soundtrack
The Twilight Eyes Project: How Twilight's eyes change from scene to scene and what that says about his character
Yor feeling supported by Loid not judging her for her "past job"
Yor's different visions of the Forgers in episode 33
Names and identities
Twilight's wish being very simply phrased
Twilight going like "It's for the mission!" even in front of Bond
Thoughts on Anya intimidating the guy in the bullet-in-butt date episode
The Forgers' kitchen
The nature of Operation Strix causes Twilight to open up
Difference in expressions between manga and anime
Twilight being an unsung hero but recognized by Anya
Analysis of the scene in episode 9 where Twilight is testing Yor
(way more under the cut)
Nightfall's hopes of awakening Twilight's heart
The Briar siblings' lies
The balance of dark topics and humor
Detail on the printed version of the manga
Loid complaining about Yuri being loud
The kindness surviving
The different voices of Twilight, Loid, and [redacted]
Yor remembering Loid's supportive words
Yor using melee weapons and being cautious with getting physically close with a friend
Loid focusing on Anya's mental well-being in episode 32
The narrative takes the side of peace, not of any country
The narrative forgiving characters being soft for their family
Yuri's reaction to Loid
Yor connecting with Olka's need for a peaceful life
Twilight taking Anya back home in episode 1
Twilight making Anya happy
Season 2 opening credits analysis (Part One - Part Two/Tea Time)
Yuri's jealousy
How the humor makes the story more human
What Twilight's "I want to live" narrative can build on
Anya playing
The different levels of secrets kept, lying to themselves, and accepting their love for their family
Manga/anime comparison for the last scene of chapter/episode 1
Anya's reaction to saving Loid from the bomb
Twilight encouraging Anya to prioritize peace
Yor threatening the "secret police officer"
Thoughts on Nightfall
Damian Desmond, the bully and the victim
Loid's reactions to Swan's insults
Justice, Protection, and Kindness
The distance between what Twilight sees of himself and what Nightfall sees of him
Yor's guilt in using Loid
Bits from Episode 10/Chapter 16
Twilight appreciating Yor's strength
Twilight and relationships
Twilight and his denial
Henderson being biased towards Loid
Anya's fear of her powers being revealed
An analysis of how Yor sees Loid - and how that can collapse post-identity reveals
Trigger discipline and gun safety as shown in the manga and anime
Different opera depictions between manga and anime
Depiction of young [redacted] between manga and anime
Eden College's philosophy around family values
Loid's reaction to Yor's tasty dish
Yuri's extremism
Twilight's unprecedented honesty with Yor
And what the way he opened up to her says about him
Earlier thoughts on that (posted before the Very Disastrous Date episode aired)
Twilight's view on the spy job
Twilight donning the persona of the kind of person he despises
Twilight trying to woo Yor and why the kick in the chin was important to the narrative
Masks Off - every time we see Twilight rip off a mask he wears, and how it's shown in the narrative
A bit more on the masks (the post that inspired the meta above)
Sylvia talking to the students
Twilight's views on not being recognized
Yor acknowledging Loid's flaws
Thoughts on Loid fixing the penguin
Yuri idolizing Yor's cooking vs Loid accepting it without criticizing her
Nightfall and Twilight being in different wavelengths
Twilight's genuine smile
The honesty between Loid and Yor despite the lies
Twilight's perfectionism, but gratitude for others' successes
Earlier thoughts on that
Anya's powers within the narrative
Twilight feeling jealous of close connections
Misc thoughts
Ketchup messages
Thoughts on the family relationships
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zeroducks-2 · 1 year ago
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(Espero que se me sea entendible)
Que opiniĂłn tienes de que Eo haya dicho:
"because it's the only time you'll spend with me."
En vez de:
"because it's the only time I'll spend with you
Te entiendo sĂŹ :) Sorry my Spanish isn't good enough for a complete answer but I do understand it well enough.
So the reason why Eo says "It's the only time YOU will spend with me", and not "the only time I will spend with you", is because he does spend a lot of time with Barry even if Barry is normally not aware of it.
Eo follows him around, spies on him, literally stalks him day and night and keeps him under control, he does spend a lot of time with him. It doesn't work the other way around though! Barry doesn't know Eo is there (and even when he suspects it, they don't really interact), so he doesn't in fact spend time with Eobard in return. It's a one way thing in which Eobard watches and looks and observes but never acts, like when he came back from the however many years he was tortured in prison and started just following Barry around, watching him without ever interacting (Eo was being ridiculously shy about it, and the funny thing is that at that point, Barry would have likely been happy to see him and greeted him like an old friend).
Conversely, when Eobard is actively making his life impossible, Barry is forced to react to the things he's put through, therefore he will "spend time with him".
See, Eo has this distorted view of relationships in which spending time with a loved one means that the ONLY WAY he has to be noticed and get the other person to give him attention, is through breaking things. As a child he was ignored by his parents who locked him in a playpen and never even turned towards him, and the only way he had to get them to pay attention to him was to break expensive toys. That would get his father to finally notice his existence and beat him up, which hey, I'm sure it won't traumatize a small child at all!
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If you can go past the terrible art, this is what his life has been like for a good chunk of his childhood (then his parents genetically engineered another child and forced him to be his little brother's primary caretaker, while continuing to treat him like garbage).
And sure, now Eobard isn't a child anymore, but the 25th century is a bleak place and beside for the Flash comics he found refuge and comfort in, he didn't have any other guardian figure (or any friend really) who taught him how love even looks like. So, when Barry loses his entire shit in Running Scared, absorbs the Negative Speedforce and beats the everliving hell out of him, from Eobard's perspective he's still giving him attention! It worked, he broke "enough toys" to get Barry to spend time with him! ... In the sense that he was a menace for long enough and threatened Iris enough times, and it's interesting to me how in Running Scared he is so disoriented and so overpowered that he could do 200% more damage, but truly his only goal is getting Barry to spend time with him therefore he keeps said damage to a minimum.
He could have killed Ace, but he just tossed him around a bit. He could have killed Iris, and he barely even touched a hair on her head. He brought her to the 25th century after realizing that she didn't remember barely anything about him (unacceptable! One of the most important people in his life forgot shit about him!!), but beside scaring her, the whole RS arc ends with Iris sporting not even a bruise. The entirety of Running Scared could be summarized with "local time traveler gets brought back to life by his crush, is disoriented as fuck and in his need for attention makes a mess and gets himself killed again (by his other crush)". And in my strictly personal opinion, the reason why his antics look especially childish in Running Scared also comes from the fact that he's indeed extremely disoriented, both by the whole flashpoint paradox situation (he can't forget anything while everyone else has altered memories!), and by the fact that he literally just died and came back to life. Imagine the headache.
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ingoodjesst · 2 years ago
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right after aki thinks "i'll be with you soon", right before he kills the ghost devil, we see himeno silently telling him, "aki-kun, aishiteru."
aki, i love you.
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partfae · 2 months ago
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i love feral knight galadriel who holds the world in her teeth as much as the next girl, but the thing about galadriel is that she is just as motivated by her grief as she is her pride and rage. this is why her character is established by the scenes of her with finrod in tandem with her in the frozen north. she is bitter and broken and bitter because of the brokenness—and it’s further complicated by how she’s treated like an inconvenience, an embarrassment, like a rough stone amidst smooth glass. her feelings are large and messy and too big for her to hold and her anger is a plea to be believed, a cry for the burden to be shared. and it’s a further tragedy that she gets ignored.
but even holding the tension of how she is perceived by the ensemble, it is her grief that is the cause and catalyst for her rage. this, i think, makes her choosing to set aside the sword and let gil-galad take the lead in 2x08 incredibly beautiful and not at all a destruction of her character. it is, instead, an ode to her growth. it is her wrenching finrod’s dagger out of her heart. in setting down her sword, she severs the head of the ouroboros of her grief.
and the best part is that she doesn’t lose her strength. she is a sorceress, a ring-bearer, a queen. she continues to fight and lead and protect, it just takes a new shape. she puts down her sword but does not lose her edge. she is the lady of light, the one thing the shadow of morgoth fears. she is the one holding the storm at bay.
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realidadposts · 2 years ago
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akiizayoi4869 · 2 years ago
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Master Meta post (updating)
The Last Agni Kai
Azula's family does indeed owe her
Zuko at age 13 vs Azula at age 14
Azula fanfics that make her stand trial for war crimes
The most tragic character of the show is Aang, not Zuko
If Kuvira can be redeemed, so can Azula
The dumb letter in The Search
Zuko did not realize that Azula was abused
Zuko only asks Azula what's wrong with her one time in The Search
On the topic of Azula, Ozai, and Abuse
Zuko and Ozai in The Promise
The Search: a story about abuse, abuse apologism, and ableism
Smoke and Shadow: "Trust is for fools! Fear is the only reliable way!" On steroids
Stealing food: Suki Alone vs Smoke and Shadow
Comics! Zuko and Comics! Ursa don't care about Azula
Azula brought Zuko home with her because it's what Ursa would have wanted
Azula redemption circle jerk
Azula and Zuko in the Crystal Catacombs
Azula and Zuko in the first half of Book 3
Azula and Zuko headcanon
Zuko's fever dream
Ursa and Azula: "What is wrong with that child?"
Azula and Ursa: A complicated mother daughter relationship
Commentary from The Search and Smoke and Shadow
The Search commentary
Aang killing Ozai dies send a powerful message
"Azula should be blamed for everything wrong in Zuko's life"
Azula did not think that Zuko would join her in Ba Sing Se
Jet had every right to be suspicious of Zuko and Iroh
My thoughts on Uncle Iroh
Zuko and Mai in Nightmares and Daydreams
Mai and Zuko in The Beach
The Family Portrait
"I just asked if you were cold, not for your whole life story."
Aang hate in fandom
Azula in Nightmares and Daydreams
Who cares if Azula did bad things? She's not real.
Why Azula killing Aang does not mean that she is evil and irredeemable
The Invasion Plan
Zuko and Jin's date
Zuko apologizing to Iroh
Why Zuko's arc falls flat for me
Most horrific Mai and Ty Lee take I've ever heard
Zuko doesn't know what's wrong with Azula in The Search
"She was right, of course, but it still hurt."
Azula did not hold power over Zuko
The bedroom scene
Aang when Appa gets stolen
Zuko needs to forgive Azula in order to move on and let go of the anger and resentment that he has towards her
The Infamous Smirk
The Southern Air Temple
Azula is not irredeemable
Zuko's redemption arc deserved better writing
Unpopular opinion: Aang understood Katara's pain better than Zuko did
Azula in The Storm flashback
King Bumi
Original cover art for The Search
Zuko and Azula both get undeserved hate
Why doesn't Zuko's crew know about his scar
Azula is not a feral animal or a bumbling crazy person
Azula was abused in the asylum
Book 3 should not have been the last season
Azula saying "I am about to celebrate becoming an only child!" to Zuko is not abuse
Little Azula eating mochi
Gene Yang's favorite panel in The Search
Yang forgot all of the bad things Zuko did when he wrote the comics
Azula and the doll
Azula and the sandcastle
Azula in the spirit temple
"I think we should take they're precious hope, and they're land, and burn it all to the ground"
Azula and the mirror scene
Iroh not wanting to fight Ozai
Azula calling Zuko "Zuzu" is not abusive
"Dad's going to kill you."
Tumblr ask: "Why do you think that so much of the ATLA fandom just violently hates Aang?"
Tumblr ask: The WORST Azula take ever(probably)
The Fire Nation and genocide
New(?) Unpopular Takes
Tumblr ask: Would you mind explaining the mirror scene?
Azula is not an irredeemable spawn of Satan
Part 2 of Azula is not an irredeemable spawn of Satan
Azula and war crimes list from villains wiki
Ghost Azula AU idea
Why the theory that Azula brought Zuko home to use him as a scapegoat makes no sense
Azula defeated herself before her agni kai with Zuko happened
Kya and the Southern Raiders
Iroh encouraging the toxic sibling rivalry between Zuko and Azula
Suki Alone
Sokka's trauma
Zuko was a willing participant in the sibling rivalry between him and Azula
Iroh never told Zuko what the "correct way" was
Azula sketch
Stop downplaying Sokka
Azula the mochi thief: wanted dead or alive
DOBS Kataang kiss
Tumblr ask: Azula slept her way to the topđŸ€ź
Sokka training the children of the Southern Water Tribe
Azula and Zuko in the Lost Adventures comics
Azula did not force Mai to join her in Omashu
Atla fandumb thinks that Azula should not have told Ursa what she overheard that night
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bluethepineapple · 2 years ago
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Harry and Hermione: Balancing Acts, Effort, and Compromise
One of my favorite aspects of Harry and Hermione's dynamic is the way it is marked by conflict. @ashesandhackles' meta over here expands on the way Harry's relationship with conflict evolve over time. For my own piece however, I wish to focus on the nature of Harry and Hermione's conflict, especially, and the way they add nuance and complexity of their relationship.
Given that the height of their tension appears in Order of the Phoenix, I will focus my exploration on their dynamic in this book.
Hermione has Harry's number. She gets how he thinks, how he feels, and knows full well how he will react in any situation they come across. We see this in how she greeted him when they first meet in OotP.
"HARRY! Ron, he’s here, Harry’s here! We didn’t hear you arrive! Oh, how are you? Are you all right? Have you been furious with us? I bet you have, I know our letters were useless — but we couldn’t tell you anything, Dumbledore made us swear we wouldn’t, oh, we’ve got so much to tell you, and you’ve got to tell us..."
She knows full well that the silence will bother him. She understands that he would feel angry at the isolation and opens up their conversation with an apology and explanation.
This is an ongoing theme in OotP. The problem with Hermione is that as much as she understands how Harry's head is going, her position in whatever argument they are having is often diametrically opposite to his. And she doesn't know how to get him to see her side of the bargain.
Harry is itching to join the Order and fight, but Hermione understands (and agrees) with the need to keep them out of the loop. Harry doesn't feel qualified to teach DADA, but Hermione believes he can succeed. Harry doesn't want to share his experiences in the graveyard with anyone, feeling that what he had given should have been enough, but Hermione understands the curiosity and skepticism of everyone else and so pushes him to share anyway.
In OotP, Hermione is dealing with two separate and often conflicting agendas when it comes Harry. There is the war effort (eg. Umbridge, the DA, counter-propaganda) in which she recognizes Harry to be an extremely valuable resources, and there is Harry himself, her friend who is hurting deeply.
OotP is a balancing act for Hermione, and the problem in their relationship is that there is actually no way to balance both. Giving Harry the time and space he needs requires that she put her plans on hold. Her plans mean pretty much forcing Harry to do extremely painful things he would rather not do.
And so, failing to strike a balance that works, we see Hermione choose the war over Harry's well-being. It's not an easy choice though, and we see her try to be Harry's friend even if that friendship jeopardizes her painstaking plans.
We see this best in the Hog's Head. This chapter opens with Hermione's repeated assurance to Harry that these people just want to hear Harry's side.
We can therefore infer that her pitch to them was that they come to Hog's Head and Harry will tell them what they need to know.
"I’ve told you, they just want to hear what you’ve got to say,” said Hermione soothingly; but Harry continued to look at her so furiously that she added quickly, “You don’t have to do anything yet, I’ll speak to them first."
But the moment the meeting shifts, and these newcomers demand the story that was promised to them, Hermione backpedals hard.
"Zacharias Smith,” said the boy, “and I think we’ve got the right to know exactly what makes him say You-Know-Who’s back." “Look,” said Hermione, intervening swiftly, “that’s really not what this meeting was supposed to be about —"
She sees Harry's discomfort, and despite the success of the meeting hinging on his story, she tries to divert the attention away from him anyway. She's protecting him at the expense of her meeting.
But an interesting thing happens - stubborn Harry Potter CONCEDES.
“It’s okay, Hermione,” said Harry. It had just dawned upon him why there were so many people there. He felt that Hermione should have seen this coming. Some of these people — maybe even most of them — had turned up in the hope of hearing Harry’s story firsthand. “What makes me say You-Know-Who’s back?” he asked, looking Zacharias straight in the face. “I saw him. But Dumbledore told the whole school what happened last year, and if you didn’t believe him, you don’t believe me, and I’m not wasting an afternoon trying to convince anyone.”
He tells her it's okay and then proceeds to give up his stubborn reticence to support her. He compromises and tells them a version of the story he feels comfortable sharing with these strangers.
While understanding doesn't come easily to both of them, there is clear and concentrated effort from both parties to try. They listen to what the other person has to say. They freely voice their counter-arguments. They figure out compromises and accommodations that they can both live with.
We see this best even in what is arguably one of the biggest and most important fight between them: Sirius's rescue in OotP.
The interesting part here is that Hermione's approach is actually all wrong (at least at first). Her comment on his saving-people-thing has him becoming defensive. And upon seeing this, Hermione CHANGES track.
"I’m trying to say — Voldemort knows you, Harry! He took Ginny down into the Chamber of Secrets to lure you there, it’s the kind of thing he does, he knows you’re the — the sort of person who’d go to Sirius’s aid! What if he’s just trying to get you into the Department of Myst —"
She elaborates on her points, explains what she means in ways that not only Harry can understand, but also makes him feel less judged and attacked.
And it works - Harry understands. More importantly he LISTENS.
"But if this is a trick of V-Voldemort’s — Harry, we’ve got to check, we’ve got to —” “How?” Harry demanded. “How’re we going to check?"
Considering Harry's mindset here, it's actually quite impressive that Hermione managed to change his mind as much as she did. We can see here that he is in complete panic. He dismissed Ron and Ginny's protests outright. He is losing his head and wants to go charging ahead, Voldemort be damned.
But he listens to Hermione. He pays attention to what she has to say, and he does adjust his course of action according to her advice no matter how begrudgingly.
All of this is to say that Harry and Hermione's relationship is defined by compromise above all. It is a constant negotiation between the two of them, and this pattern persists all the way through HBP and DH.
Hermione insists that something dodgy is going on with the Potions book, so Harry let's her check it. Harry wants to stay in Grimmauld Place in DH, so Hermione goes with him. They both decide to go to Godric's Hollow, and while Hermione wants to focus on finding mission-relevant information, she looks for the Potter's graves too. Because that mattered to Harry.
What makes Harry and Hermione's relationship so compelling is how hard they try for each other. Their relationship only survives through a lot of effort on both sides. There is nothing instinctive or easy about the way communicate with each other. But they also love and respect each other enough that they willingly put in all the effort necessary to make it work between them.
From OotP onwards, Harry and Hermione stand as equals. They fight together, support each other, and it is only when they work together that they manage to see their missions through.
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kneebrac-ed · 2 years ago
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this post has had me thinking all day about ed going through the mortifying ordeal of being known because stede isn’t good at picking up innuendo and ed isn’t equipped to express his wants. stede takes innuendo sincerely (and ed doesn’t have the heart to correct him), is delighted to learn but not necessarily to apply, and is so painfully open about communication that it makes ed’s brain melt. in his experience things just happen, rough and tumble, sometimes good sometimes not. but stede won’t settle for vague fade to black implications. he likes to say/do/explain/ask so directly, so adoringly. and sometimes ed wants to die rather than find words for things he can just ask for and they will happen
(which is such a soft dom stede thing. the way he’s gently, almost incidentally forceful in saying ‘slow down, stop, we’re not doing anything until you can say it. you’re going to sit there and tell me’. inescapable demand but so kind and eager about it and there’s so much reward, ultimately. but if ed doesn’t want to throw a tantrum/sink into the floor/fight an unwanted emotion first
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kajaono · 8 months ago
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Kanthony meta is ready.
Will let it cook a few more hours, and then send it out
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