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*giggling*
The 141, with help of Nik and a couple friends, are tracking an Anarchist group in the UK. There's been some evidence that they plan on doing something big (and possibly dumb) and that they've gotten their hands on some big weapons.
Theyre just scouting out the base of operations of these guys, just gathering intel.
Price points out one particular guy: big, beefy blonde guy with a thick Scottish accent and very punk grunge aesthetic.
"Must be the ringleader" the captain says and it seems to be true. Everyone watches this guy with curiosity when Soap gasps lightly
"No fucking way" Soap says
"What?"
"He's my fucking ex" Soap replies, shocked and a bit embarrassed in all honesty.
Now I'm just picturing all of them turning to give Soap A Look
Gaz just shakes his head and goes "you have incredibly questionable taste in men"
To which Nik asks Ghost "not offended?"
Ghost: "I've learned the truth hurts sometimes."
#“is this Soap's ex guy based on Hazard from Overwatch?”#what are you the character design police? get off my dick#im just picturing the boys all giving Soap a very weird look because of a morally/mentally questionable ex of his#as if it comes as a surprise like his current partner isnt Simon “I have several lifetimes worth of mental issues” Riley#soapghost#cod drabble
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every time a tumblr post mlb rewrite mentions the fact that they're taking out marinette's 'obsessive stalker' characteristics an angel gets run over by a steamroller and fucking dies
#'but its--' YOU ARE REMOVING. PART OF ONE OF THE MOST INTERESTING MORALLY GREY ASPECTS OF HER CHARACTER#***AND COMPLETELY DISREGARDING THE ENTIRE CONCEPT OF EXPLORING PARASOCIAL RELATIONSHIPS***#***AND THE LINES BETWEEN EROTOMANIC FASCINATION AND GENIUNE CONNECTION**#IF WE'RE ADDING IN MURDER AND STAKES AND HEAVY THEMES CAN WE THINK#T H I N K#FOR A SECOND ABOUT HOW MAYBE ITS OKAY FOR OUR MAIN CHARACTER TO BE A QUESTIONABLE PERSON???#SHE CAN LEARN FROM IT. YOU CAN WRITE AN ARC ABOUT IT.#SHE CAN NEVER LEARN FROM IT AT ALL AND HAVE HER OWN OBSESSION DOOM HER#OR YOU CAN HAVE YOUR OTP GET TOGETHER REGARDLESS AND SIT WITH YOUR POPCORN LIKE “wow aint that kinda fucked. wack”#BUT WHEN PEOPLE POINT OUT THE FRIDGE ICK AND FRIDGE HORROR WHY IS IT EVERYONE'S FIRST INSTINCT TO SCRUB IT OUT#****SIT***** WITH THE DISGUSTING FEELING IN YOUR STOMACH AND FUCKING BEFRIEND IT. EXPLORE THE IMPLICATIONS.#LET.#MARINETTE.#SUCK.
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I find the fact that the confrontation at the end of UTRH is often summarized as Jason asking Bruce to kill the Joker for him fascinating.
Because that's not what happened.
Jason holds a gun up to Joker's head, gives Bruce another, and tells him that if Bruce doesn't do something (shoot Jason), he will kill Joker.
Jason doesn't give the gun to Bruce so that he would shoot Joker. He isn't expecting Bruce to pull the trigger on the clown. He's asking Bruce to do nothing. To be inactive. Because that will still be a choice, and despite having done nothing, everybody clearly agrees that Bruce would still, at least in part, be responsible for Joker's death.
...And to me, this moment is a kind of- microcosm, of the rest of Jason's point. Because after being captured and carted off to Arkham, the villain will escape again, and will kill more people. The only way to truly prevent that from happening would be to kill them; Bruce refuses to do so, and I respect his right to choose such a thing for himself, but it is still a choice, and if we agree that Bruce's inaction during the confrontation would leave him at least partly responsible for the Joker's death, then we must also agree that his inaction in permanently preventing the Rogues from killing more people means he is also, partly, responsible for all of those deaths.
#my dc posting#batman#dc#bruce wayne#jason todd#joker#uhh is this like analysis or meta#anyway. to me this is the message that scene sends#if we say bruce doing nothing would mean he assisted in the murder of joker then bruce doing nothing about the villains means he is also#responsible for those deaths#ANYWAY yes b4 you come at me;;#bruce's belief in rehabilitation and that everyone can get better is central to his character#and i love it and no i dont actually think he should kill the rogues or whatever#but the question there is. Are you fine with the future victims your decisions will cause?#Are their lives worth the slim chance any of these people will get better?#batman says yes theyre worth it. red hood says no theyre not.#thats the fundamental moral difference there#its why jason challenges the batman status quo#which is why he cant be harnessed well after his initial return bc comics can never truly escape that status quo#anyway i sure am having some thoughts for someone not that smart so if you disagree please tell me!!! just be civil or ill just block you <#...anyway this is another thing BTAS succeeds in bc i always feel like yes these villains do deserve yet another chance#despite what theyve done. bruce's belief in them doesnt feel stupid and naive#its abt what you yourself can live with. bruce can live w the deaths of the ppl the criminals he doesnt get rid of kill#and jason can live with killing those criminals and preventing further victims
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Tim who isn’t actually a very ‘good’ person.
He’s not a bigot or against minorities, nor does he do anything to violate someone’s right or beliefs, but he can just be… a prick?
Like he isn’t a victim of Damian most of the time because he’s antagonistic towards a literally child, assassin or not. He’s not a total dick, but he doesn’t really show much empathy towards Damian for a while and with his hatred of the League I wouldn’t be surprised if part of that was prejudice against Damian. (Especially if it’s one of the universe where Taliah drugged Bruce, he could maybe even blame Damian for that subconsciously.)
He’s also a womaniser, given he’s one who respects woman’s right and works to support them (unless it’s 1990 Tim, which is a whole other can of worms.) He has partners coming in and out and sure part of that is commitment issues and having to lie to partners about either identity, but often it just seems like he’s having fun and nothing else. If he explains this to his partner at the time, good for them, but it doesn’t really seem like that at times.
He’d also bordering on the line between cocky in a self assured way and cocky in an overconfident asshole way. He’s smart, not get me wrong, but there are people smarter than him and while he could out smart some big names, sometimes he bites off more than he can chew.
Same goes with his own contingency plans, I get the feeling he makes just… a few too many. I get why he does, what I think is a bit off about this is how he seemingly doesn’t see anything wrong at all with making plans to terminate his friends and seems to be lacking remorse for it even if he wouldn’t want to actively do it.
Tim’s loose morals are a bit different as there are many heroes and instances in which I’m like, yeah fair enough I wouldn’t save that guy either. Plus, the reason he became Robin was because Bruce was harming innocent people, not Two Face or Riddler.
He’s far more the comic made trope of a ‘Billionaire Playboy Philanthropist’ than Brucie had ever really been.
He’s actually a bit arrogant and actually acts like a playboy, not as a persona but for real. Even Tony Stark has been portrayed to be playing up his character where I feel like Tim doesn’t as much.
He’s genuinely a sneaky little shit, arrogant and cocky and too smart for his own good.
Man’s body count is double digits and neither of those numbers are under 5, and that’s not even the amount of people he’s blown up.
#batfam#bat family#dc comics#tim drake#batfamily#dc universe#dc#tim drake is red robin#tim drake is a menace#moral questions#character study
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The Crown Prince
#my art#Yes this is meant to parallel the Reiju piece and I will be drawing Yonji and Niji next.#those are judge's hands in case it wasn't clear but hopefully the hair does that?#Anyways to chatter about this a little#I just like that the trio are trapped within bodies that are forced to comply to Judge and have no desire to do otherwise#No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering.#but it also raises the question what will happen to them when he dies and Ichiji becomes King (presumably)#they've been so sculpted to follow his every word how far can they make it without an outside force commanding them.#could they have been “saved” if they had Sora's exterior voice commanding them to do good? But to what extent does that qualify as good#since it's arguable if they would ever be truly choosing it for themselves#Anyways the Vinsmokes are NOT okay and I hope that gets explored more#I love characters whose moral code begins and ends with “It is my purpose” so I don't like to think they're inherently bad entities#I like to think they're inherently hollow vessels filled with intentions of another person#because that opens a far more interesting conversation about selfhood and accountability.#Very fond of fanfictions where they don't need to gain emotions to learn error#Also fond of fanfictions where Ichiji kisses men. If you've made it this far maybe recommend me one.#I have more cohesive thoughts on this but it's almost midnight ask me if you want to know more I promise I'm usually very articulate#if I'm missing something I haven't actually gotten to them in the story yet.#one piece#one piece fanart#ichiji vinsmoke#germa 66#vinsmoke ichiji
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“Is doctor who a good or bad person” theyre the kind of person to fly in a little blue box and go weeeeee
#some ppl took the driving question of capaldi being am a good man and went oh so there’s a right answer#like whyyyy does it matter whyyy do we always need to define fictional characters like this#12 was right. not a good or bad man. just an idiot. peace and love on doctor who#idek where this all came from bc I feel like previously everyone just kinda understood that the doctor is a complex character#and then earlier today I saw someone talking abt who the ‘villain’ of midsommar was..bro.#does everything have to be a morality play to you people#warlock wartalks
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sorting this out before the dlc drops 👍
#war criminal this war criminal that#my sibling in marika it's not that fucking deep we've had likeable characters w 'morally questionable' motives in this franchise before#or is sb going to tell me im suddenly not allowed to like artorias bc he served gwyn or w/e#stfu#elden ring#malenia#radahn
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got around making some more htf ocs!! i honestly cant stop theyre too fun to make actually
#dooble moment#my art#cw happy tree friends#cw htf#happy tree friends#htf#htf oc#htf ocs#GOD i love making ocs for this show so much#like. theres so many fun character ideas you can incorporate into the show#dont question the ethics of cerise’s attire. shes far from the most moral character#ive wanted to develop scurry a bit more to not make him just an orange generic tree friend#but i think just giving him a lot of things to do shows that hes a lil disorganized & yk what?#we love a disorganized king#also love the idea that scoffy & scoldy are like. HUGE rivals when it comes to their jobs#but theyre good friends outside of work#maybe even lovers? who knows!
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character dynamic ask game
qs focusing around how two characters interact with & see each other. any kind of matchup (partners, friends, mortal enemies, etc.) is fair game!
rules: send two characters and a question (or more!)
what were A's first impressions of B? were they mostly correct or have they changed?
if asked to describe B to a stranger, what would A say? are they mostly truthful, or is there anything they omit?
what's something A thinks in their head about B that they would NEVER tell them out loud? alternately, what's something they want to say to them but haven't/can't, and why not?
how does A refer to B (first name/last name/pet name/title/etc) in their head, to them directly, and to others? are they different? why?
A has to get B a [birthday/christmas/whatever] gift. right now. what would they get? how long would they spend thinking about it?
what does A think B thinks of them? or, if asked to describe their relationship, how would they do it? are they right?
are there any habits, mannerisms, practices etc. A does because of B? anything they do because they saw B doing it, or got advice from them about it, or something rubbed off on them? alternately, are there any little things B does that annoy them?
is there anything they really disagree on? what are they most likely to argue about?
what do outsiders think their relationship is? do they consciously or unconsciously act different around others?
how well does A think they know B? are they correct?
what's something A knows about B that most people don't? alternately, what's something most people believe about B that A doesn't?
if B asked A for help, how likely would they be to give it?
if A needed help, how likely would they be to ask B for it?
for two characters that met very recently, how would their dynamic be different (if at all) if they had known each other for much longer? for characters that are childhood/longtime acquaintances, how would it be different if they met for the first time today?
what's A's absolute favorite (or least favorite) thing about B?
free space: what's your favorite thing about their dynamic, as a fan or as a writer?
#the nemesis speaks#ask game#ask meme#hmmmmmi probably should not tag ramble here too much on account of i want ppl Not following me to not be like put out by it#anyway short(ish) list bc i wanted it to be questions that were actually like. interesting for the majority of characters#i.e. questions that were unlikely to just be ''idk whatever''#+some of them are kind of a 2-in-1 for that reason#ANYWAY#anyway you can always ask me about pla characters. it is always morally correct#or msa or w/e but. yknow. im mostly a pla blog atp
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Nightmare nightmare nightmare
#YES he is a morally gray person whose done some very questionable things but have you considered that he’s just a little guy#I think about the Black White and Gray eps SO MUCH#the very real moral conflict and character interactions (esp between Will and David) is sosososo good#jrwi pd#jrwi prime defenders#jrwi william#william wisp#jrwi pd spoilers#jrwi spoilers
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❝Let's go talk somewhere else.❞
FIRST KANAPHAN as KANT PATTANAWAT and KHAOTUNG THANAWAT as BISON episode 4 of THE HEART KILLERS
#the heart killers#the heart killers the series#first kanaphan#khaotung thanawat#firstkhao#firstkhaotung#kantbison#gmmtv series#gmmtv bl#thai bl#mlm#thkedit#th: the heart killers#bibi gifs#i want to talk about this scene and i barely make any sense but still#bison went to kant's place with an agenda. he wanted to seek him out to call him out on the things he was hiding from him#and make him questions that he's already suspicious of the answers#but the moment he sees babe's bruises he drops his own issues to go on babe side quest (that i really liked)#maybe he was deflecting and just buying himself time to avoid continuing the kant conversation? not likely bc again he's on a mission but o#but he took a glimpse at some purple's in this kid's body that he doesn't even know well and went on you know what there are more important#matters for us to attend to let's put a pin on this#i'm not team babe is gonna die but i do think that if anything were to happen to him neither kant or bison would allow that#as in they would actively put themselves in harms way to prevent it from happening (and i'm aware it's wishful thinking and speculative but#even if bison didn't do that there's no way kant would stay with him knowing that he'd cause babe harm indirectly or otherwise#i'm also just a sucker for person a get hurt in front of person b type of dynamic)#they are morally grey characters who do morally grey things to have a positive-ish outcome (or so they think)
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I feel like people underestimate Ballister's actions in the movie and dumb him down to be just a guy with sad big eyes when he's literally a metaphor for transphobic gay men who participated in the system based on violence and hate. He's so much more than what fandom makes him out to be and he's quite flawed
Like :/// yes he's cute but let's not infantalize him???
#im sorry did we watch the same movie#<- me when i see people talking how non-complex movie Ballister is#like yes hes less morally grey than in the comic but did we. did we forget the scenes where he says some questionable stuff to Nimona#“most people arent as accepting as me” DOES IT LOOK LIKE AN INNOCENT GUY WHO DID NO WRONG#he does wrong things and thats why hes great#Ballister is literally my fav character dont do me like that man :/#nimona#ballister boldheart#nimona 2023
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I just wrote the scene where Vox asks Valentino if he's a communist, and honestly, I think it would be hilarious if Val were a communist.
Vox learns about it during their fourth sleepover (I assume they started seeing each other not long after Val's death, when he wasn't bourgeois and still held some of his beliefs). That revelation causes Vox's existential crisis because he can forgive being a rapist, murderer, and queer, but a communist? He vents about it to Alastor because you know how angry some people get when you suggest that maybe ten people shouldn't own all the money? And Alastor, who is of course an anarchist, says something like, "But you said he was stupid!" That sends Vox spiraling because apparently, he's weirdly attracted to men who are red in more than one way.
#i think i will delete this post in the morning because it won't be funny anymore#every character i write has an elaborate system of political views and moral values#it's my version of choosing their MBTI#but also think about your characters' worldview it sometimes answers the question “what would thay do?” better than personality traits#and makes everything feel purposeful#ofc i don't mean putting it explicitly into the text everytime (i did it because it makes sense within the context)#just having it in the back of your head#Vox#Valentino#Alastor#Hazbin Hotel
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thinking about how Oda chosing Luffy, a pirate, to be the protagonist of One Piece may be one of the most brilliant story moves by any shonen mangaka ever. by virtue of its main character being an in-world criminal, OP naturally lends itself to becoming a story about the exposure of a society festering with corruption for what it really is, and the dismantling of a dystopia and its propagandist facade. you simply do not get a story like that with a shonen protagonist who conforms to or tolerates the shitty system they're born into
#one piece#luffy#monkey d luffy#ive been watching non-OP shonen lately and its been hitting me that for all of them#ALL OF THEM#their protagonists' hero journey is about climbing up the ranks of an established social structure#where that established structure in question is considered the 'good guys' in universe#and the protagonist more or less does not push against the structure no matter the consequences of that structure's actions#like yeah they'll question a moral quandary here or there but for the most part they're like#'this is how things work *shrug*'#im convinced that if OP is just another shonen its main character would've been Koby#anyway this is why OP is best shonen thank you for coming to my tedtalk
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forgive me if this has been said a hundred times, but i can't stop thinking abt the vander, silco & felicia flashback, specifically in relation to silco and vander's relationship
it's established in s1 that a lot of silco's issue with vander is that he doesn't understand why he backed down from the revolution and started playing along with the enforcers. it isn't until jayce asks him to give up jinx that he realises the weight of responsibility for another person's life - a child's life, and of one that he considers his daughter. vander couldn't risk losing vi or powder in the name of zaun, but silco seemingly didn't even consider it a possibility until that confrontation.
and with this added context: vander backing down and striking a deal once he becomes personally responsible for the kids makes perfect sense, because their safety was one of his motivations to work towards zaun's freedom. on the other hand, silco's confusion and frustration with that choice also makes perfect sense, because he doesn't yet understand personally having to make that choice, and since they promised zaun's freedom to felicia for her children, he likely sees the two outcomes as inherently connected. to him, vander didn't just back out of freeing their people, he also backed out of his promise to felicia - an action which she would likely understand, being a mother, but which silco can't rationalise.
i'm not saying he was right to view it that way. i just think this is yet another example of arcane characters being nuanced and having perspectives that make a hell of a lot of sense for who they are.
#srry if this reads as silco apologia. he is in fact one of my favourite characters and i miss him dearly#nerd moment: it reminds me of the whole moral question at the end of tlou#every parent i've asked has said without hesitation they'd choose ellie. with non-parents it's a tossup#og#arcane spoilers#arcane s2 spoilers#arcane season 2 spoilers#arcane#silco#arcane silco#silco arcane#vander#arcane vander#vander arcane#felicia#arcane felicia#felicia arcane#arcane league of legends#league of legends arcane#arcane lol#lol arcane
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Hear me out: you can ship JayVik without falling into or using rhetoric that fits the disposable black girlfriend trope. You can ship JayVik without using Mel as some conceived ploy or antagonistic plot device that makes her out of character. You can ship JayVik without falling into misogynistic rhetoric (eg. viewing female characters as disposable or stepping tools, amongst other things). You can ship JayVik without erasing the impact Mel has had on Jayce and their relationship because, whether you shipped it or not or even gave it the time of day, Mel and Jayce did care for each other, and to deny that or say Viktor held more importance/impact than her in Jayce's life to where she's viewed as "unnecessary" just to further your ship is so wrong and, whether you intended for it or not, does carry undertones where black characters, especially black female characters, emotional impact on others is ignored or downplayed even though there's context to support just how important it is/they are. Lastly, you can ship JayVik without using anti-black and misogynoir type rhetoric because the amount that has flooded this fandom, but especially from some fans of this ship, is atrocious. Ship what you like, but be respectful and careful with certain things you say, is all I'm saying.
#arcane#mel medarda#jayce talis#arcane viktor#it's very sad that this still has to be said but no surprising in fandom especially when it comes to m/m ships & a female character#like misogyny (internalized too) becomes rampant but if they are woc then there's and added layer of racism to the mix#since day one mel has been demonized & even if you believe that she used jayce for gain why only hate on her for it & ignore how not only#is this a commom theme in arcane as the show has many questionable morally aligned characters#who don't get as much hate but that also now viktor is in the same shoes as well bc wasn't he manipulating space & time so that jayce always#finds hextech and becomes his partner? acting as if whatever “manipulation” mel did regarding jayce didn't help him move up in society & get#funding#it's also really gross how the fandom and even some of the arcane crew use rhetoric of using female characters as throwaways for this#pairing bc women should not be used as step stools for men's growth than ignored when it's time for them to reflect how they got there#(eg. sky)#this isn't even hate towards jayvik as i don't even mind it but some of the fans of it make it very off-putting#like they're this ships worst enemy sometimes!#jayvik#anti jayvik#but more so in the tags#meljay#kinda...? like it's referred to in the tags and some of the post too ig
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