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The Morally Grey Character: Why We Love Them
In the murky depths of fantasy literature, there exists a breed of character that captures our hearts. If only because they’ve already stolen it when we weren’t looking. These are the morally grey characters. The ones who straddle the line between hero and villain with all the grace of a cat walking a tightrope over a pit of hungry crocodiles. But what is it about these dubious darlings that…
#Anti-Hero Appeal#anti-hero vs hero#character complexity#character development#Character Flaws#ethical dilemmas#fantasy anti-heroes#Fantasy Character Dynamics#fantasy literature#fantasy storytelling#fantasy tropes#flawed heroes#hero vs villain#morally ambiguous characters#morally grey appeal#Morally Grey Characters#redemption arcs#relatable villains#unpredictable characters
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clinging to the sex warning for arcane like an angst with a happy ending tag on ao3
#i have no words#s2 is a certified banger#everyone's morally grey love it 10/10#when i tell you me and me friends screamed at the caitvi kiss scene i mean we were jumping up and down so fucking excited#its so rare to have canon lesbian characters who are genuinely affectionate and not played for laughs or sex appeal#especially not in mainstream#although the jayvik shit is fucking insane too god DAMN#im a little annoyed by the way caitvi is taking a backseat to them but i honestly think its more that people are offput by caits behavior#whereas viktor and jayce have that 'any lengths to get you back anything for you' going on#and we all know what happened with cait and vi#abandonment - which people didn't like#which i think is sad bc i want them toxic#caitvi#jayvik#vi arcane#caitlyn kiramman#jayce talis#viktor arcane#arcane#my posts#text post#ao3#writing
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As much as I love Astarion, he is absolutely NOT a good person. Even if his past might shed light as to why he behaves the way he does, it does not excuse his actions.
This line reveals a lot about him:
What I mean is: throughout your journey with him, you will help him on a healing path, and he will begin to 'soften' so to speak (if he doesn't ascend, that is). But he's still him, and he says as much in the epilogue:
You can enjoy him as the flawed person he is. It is fine. You don't have to justify why you still connect to this character despite everything. There's no need to whitewash him.
#ruby rambles ‧͙⁺˚*・༓☾#It's fine to indulge in morally grey characters#it's what appeals the most to me about him
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I walk a lonely road
one in which I am apparently one of the only people on earth who believe the Emperor is not as bad as most fans say, but he is also far from being a saint and has done some genuinely evil things
#every day I suffer the torments of seeing this squid woobified#it's not a good person! that's like 80% of the appeal!#I shouldn't even be posting this but a piece of my soul withers every time I see it#he can't be morally grey without the dark bits#its human complexity is the best thing about him by a country mile#sometimes I feel like people want The Pale Elf but with Tentacles
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can't believe there are ppl who don't like lost days wtf. not even the end scene, they just don't like jason's character and motivations in it. i mean, i always thought lost days jason>utrh jason so 🤷♀️
#“i didnt like making jason want to kill bruce its so generic” “ my brother in christ it is obvious as hell that jason only tries it because#also he clearly doesnt actually want bruce dead?? like he doesnt do it when he has the perfect chance#and he is obvsly lying to talia when he says “oh i want him to look at me as i kill him” like??#am i the only one who thought that or???#btw this isnt abt a specific person i just remembered someone on reddit saying that lost days jason made jason more#sympathetic in a fanservice way#i get what they mean by that but i rlly dont think thats whats up w lost days jason#bc whitewashing morally grey characters to make them appeal to a larger audience IS. a thing but i think youre missing the point here lol#anyway can't articulate why i ADORE lost days atm so#maybe ill make a seperate post on it one day but just know that i rlly like it(except the scene we dont talk about)#jason todd#lost days#red hood
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amateur tip because everyone should know this but i see it even in triple A games so apparently not:
if you're writing a fat character, at the very least make their clothes fit them properly. it always irks me seeing fat characters have their buttons straining on their default outfit, ESPECIALLY on a character that can afford new clothes / has enough money to get them tailored to themselves.
i'm begging you if you're trying to depict your only fat character as a glutton who can't stop eating and keeps busting out of their clothes; don't. fat people deserve to be characters firstly, not a gross caricature. please... please? fuck.
#Bean Text#thinking about how done dirty fat characters are in anything ever#they're either prortrayed as gross / a slob#or (when the rare well-written fat character comes around) they slim down either in a reboot / adaptation or over the course of the story#like oh no! we can't have a fat character in the story! they're not appealing / marketable enough !!!!!!!#bites you. with violence in my mind and soul.#pro tip on writing fat characters: write a character. then when designing their physical form make them fat. you are done#don't make their only trait be 'likes to eat'#make them genuinely funny! make them badass! give them layers to their backstory and personality!#make them kind / good! or make them a genuine threatening villain! hell; make them a brooding morally grey anti hero!#make them have hobbies and interests that aren't just food related!#make them a character!!! fuck!
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so weirded out how fandom treats female characters nowadays and whenever i see posts criticizing it people get soooo upset and defensive like maybe you should examine why you can only get attatched to skinny usually young white conventionally attractive men no matter what their character is like but can’t think about a fleshed out woman from that same piece of media for more than 3 seconds before popping a vein
#also yes this can definitely be a result of most female characters being given less interesting roles or characteristics in a lot of media#like girl characters really are made to be more endearing or appealing and less real or gross or interesting#but it’s very obvious when fans just like characters for being dudes rhat they can make sad or pair w another skinny attractive dude#and look @ how people treat bad/morally grey actions of female characters vs how they treat male characters on that same level it’s wild!!!#☀️🌈🔥
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I just rewatched a bunch of Supercorp fanvids and now my brain is rotting so hard from dormant feelings rising. I forgot how much they owned my heart. How did they inadvertently create the most heart-shattering, beautiful, romantic storyline featuring actors with the most palpable on screen chemistry I- 😭
#even if you viewed them platonic how do you not see them as having one of the most important and significant dynamics in the series???#obviously the danvers sisters is up there#but there's not a single romantic partner kara had that changed her as person the way lena did and vice versa SHE LITERALLY TELLS HER THAT#and lena wasn't a villain she was a morally grey anti-hero but kara never stopped believing in her even when others did#she was the reason lena stayed on the side of good and made their storyline so appealing#and lena was genuinely such a good friend to kara before kara's betrayal#she just got hurt and made bad choices but even kara forgave her because she understood why#and lena really went out of her way to make up for her mistakes to earn kara's trust back#but they also were so romantically coded#the number of parallels between other cw hero ships was insane for what was supposedly a 'friendship'#like on one side sure i'll accept they were 'just friends' in canon#but on the other side there were so many production choices that framed them as a couple IN CANON#non-canon can simply be subtext but supercorp was so blaringly romantic in context i feel like a crazy person rewatching their scenes#if you made it this far have a cookie🍪#supercorp
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I am deep in youtube theory videos and came across the whole Jimmy Brooks/The Strange Man thing. Please don your tinfoil hats my friends that's what this post is. Also, spoilers for both RDR and RDR2.
If you don't know, Jimmy Brooks is someone you meet during the mission "Polite Society, Valentine Style." Jimmy recognizes Arthur from Blackwater, and you have to run him down and catch him. He ends up falling off his horse and you have to choose whether or not you'll save him. If you don't save him you lose honor, but if you do save him he gives you a pen and his voice is one you might hear during Arthur's last ride depending on your ending.
Jimmy doesn't show up again in the game, but there's some speculation/theorycrafting that he's a test from the Strange Man, a character we don't see in RDR2 but who shows up as a stranger mission in RDR, where he gives a similar sort of morality test to John. The Strange Man doesn't explicitly show up in RDR2, but you can explore his house in the bayou, and there will be a poem there about Jimmy Brooks which will read one way or another depending on what choice you made at the cliff.
If you accept that Jimmy is some kind of moral test from the Strange Man--and for such a grounded series there sure is a lot of wierd shit in these games lmao--one thing that has a kind of lovely poeticism to it is that the pen Jimmy gives you if you save him can be sold for a total of $10. It's otherwise unremarkable but. BUT. $10 is also the amount of money Eliza and Isaac were killed over.
I don't know that it exactly means anything--maybe it lends more creedence to the whole strange man is death thing or god or what have you--but I do kind of love that regardless. This totem of your first moral choice in the post-prologue game, this stupid little pen, can also act as a sort of reminder on subsequent playthroughs (when you know about Eliza and Isaac) to be good, to not be the kind of person that would kill a woman and child over $10. Arthur saved Jimmy Brooks, he has the capacity in him. He can be good, he even wants to. And if he ever needs $10 so badly, he can sell the pen.
I actually have a lot of other thoughts about that moral choice and its placement in the game but I'll save that for another post. I don't actually think the strange man is very important in the RDR2 game at all but the way Eliza and Isaac hang over it IS and you don't even know until chapter 6 AND if you choose the right dialogue options lmao.
#rdr2#arthur morgan#personally I think Arthur starts the game with pretty grey morality and then gets better over the course of his redemption#unless you play like an asshole lmao#I'm doing low honor arthur right now and it sucks I do not see the appeal#but eliza and isaac haunt Arthur more than anything else and if you decide to keep the pen then Jimmy Brooks' gratitude does as well#the ways you can construct narrative in a video game are so interesting and I've never seen it done better than in RDR2#jimmy brooks#the strange man#polite society valentine style#tinfoil theories#rdr2 spoilers
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Annalise Keating and Greg House would be absolute worsties lbr.
#house md#how to get away with murder#i should say i only got to season three of wtgawm before i got distracted#but i just put on season one episode one to rewatch it#and yeah lol#two hard as nails mfs who are the best in their field#who love to torment their fellows/interns#and do morally grey if not outright illegal shit bc the ends justify the means#i do think tho Annalise is like#a shade too intense for House#i think even he'd be like ....woah... ok.... damn girl.....#they'd probably eat each other alive#not in a sexy way either#this appeals to the (i imagine small) subsect of people who watched House MD and HTGAWM
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No one ever wants to talk about the persecutor alters who are ‘evil’.
#and by evil I mean have 0 empathy and no sense of morality and are that way because of trauma#and by evil I also mean the ones who are fucked up in the head on purpose !#why do we have to exclude those persecutors from everything or tip toe around them and bring shame on people who have them#all the systems that are like ‘yeah this singlet is right persecutors should be one way and one way only!!!!’#y’all are fucking so conditioned into wanting to fit into a box singlets made for us and idk why#they don’t see us as people they see us as freaks and you should be supporting fellow systems not appealing to these dumbass singlets#i just don’t get why it’s so forbidden to let systems have morally grey alters ! or just let systems exist with their ‘bad’ alters#endos do not interact#endos dni#persecutor#i mean i understand why because they just wanna kiss singlet ass so badly and be the perfect mentally ill person#and it needs to stop#systems like that need to learn that THEY do not care about you and will not understand !#you have a system from trauma that is there to protect you basically why are you worrying about looking good it’s ur life#you aren’t a system for show you’re a system because you were traumatized and however ur brain sets that up is how it’s set up#and no it doesn’t add to the stigma because some systems are just like that!#what adds to the stigma is SINGLETS demonizing systems#systems can’t demonize themselves they’re just existing hello#traumagenic system
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Tfw people on tiktok try to explain to you why you should like a certain character more than your favorite.
#I get the appeal of Astarian but he is too morally grey and I think Gale is the sweetest#legit had someone insist I would fall for Astarian like I havent replayed early access six times to only romance Gale#baldur's gate 3
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Rewriting a decent chunk of NEC Navi and Viren civilization lore.
#i somehow forgot that the stardroids were so appealing in the first place in mmv is because they're villains#but villains with personalities#and writing morally grey characters can be. so fun#just gonna smack everyone (definitely sunstar) with the 'poor choices' stick rn#mmbnau#brau#brainrot au#virens#sunstar.exe
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#just wish people could see him for what he is cuz woobifying him is kind of insane
and I wish people could understand others having differing perspectives on a subjective piece of fiction based on their own playthrough and personal experiences but I guess none of us are ever getting what we want out of this fandom lol
you're welcome to your perspective but acting like it should be the default view for everyone "or they're insane" is what's actually insane
Having to work with the Emperor is morally gray, but the Emperor himself is not morally gray. You cannot be a "master manipulator" and be morally gray. I wouldn't pity him, personally.
The Emperor enjoyed being a shadow mastermind within Baldur's Gate. He misses his relationship with Stelmane because she was a perfect puppet. His emotions don't quite work like ours and he is clearly fond of her. But it is fondness like the fondness for developing a good strategy for playing the stock market. She became the perfect tool. Everything was perfect. All things went according to plan. What more could you want from an "effective" partnership?
The game is very clear with its allegories and parallels. If the only way I can survive my circumstance is by killing or preying on the blood or brains of others, I am not absolved for becoming the creature I've become.
When you get good at it, you have to resist the urge to devolve into a beast. Ascension is intended to describe that perfectly in game. Vampirism, The Dark Urge, Gortash's rise to power, and especially needing to become a corrupted monster to hold absolute power describes this perfectly.
Too many fans see the above and look at the Emperor as "Poor baby, it's a shame it has to play mindgames and eat brains to survive. 🥺" When really we need to view the Emperor just like we view the Dark Urge, Gortash, or mindflayer!Tav in the epilogue. We can ally with him for as long as it is useful to us, but never forget that you are playing a dangerous game.
The Emperor is very good at what it does. Do not misread betraying him in one of the endings as proof that he only turns on you if you give him reason to. That's not the point.
The point is that you can't.
You don't have the power to betray him. Just because it chooses not to wholly mind-dominate you when it could at any point in time, does not mean you can trust it. If you have no leverage over him, he will always have power over you. You cannot trust someone who needs you to do something and has power to make you do it or manipulate circumstances to ensure you have no other choice. Especially don't trust them if they pretend you have a choice when you don't.
There is no point in the game where the Emperor doesn't need something from you. Every show of "you can trust me" is part of its manipulations. Again, you can both use each other as allies for freedom, perhaps even power, but to trust it would be as foolish as trusting any other villain in the game. Always question others' motives and the part you play in it.
#what it comes down to is you see Emp as an “other” archtype where othering him is part of the appeal#that's not how everyone sees him#some of us genuinely sympathise with his position and understand him through a metaphorical lens of what it means to be human/a monster#which is why human-like monsters exist in fiction in the first place#also trying to claim he isn't morally grey is funny because the fandom response to him alone proves you wrong#even people who like him can't agree on why they like him or if his actions are excusable#I'm sorry but for all practical purposes he just is morally grey whether you see him that way in your playthrough or not#if it was as black and white as you say it is this wouldnt even be a debate lol
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what about luke castellan x ballerina!reader but she had to give up ballet when she went to camp and he like finds her dancing in the forest one night. maybe when he’s a little busy with like backstabbing everyone but yk🤷♀️
(like meet me in the pale moonlight or tomorrow never came coded like ughh😩😩)
wait...i adore this. as a dancer this made my heart actually jump for joy.
every night, luke was plagued with dreams. the not good kind, more specifically.
it started a few months ago. the deep ancient voice of a titan long imprisoned would echo through his mind, urging his darkest desires of revenge and shameful need for power to the forefront of his thoughts. he was angry, angry at the gods for ignoring him and all their other children. he wanted to stop this system, he was full of bitterness.
so the voice in his head was appealing. he knew that it probably wasn't morally good to listen to the evil titan kronos, but then again, if it all ended up with the system of the gods abolished, he could live with that.
but anyways, the point is, dreams invaded the peace luke found in his unconscious state, and sometimes, it was too much. sure, he agreed with the titan, but he wasn't ready to abandon home and betray his friends, not when they were the only ones who accepted him. he couldn't do that, no matter how much to words appealed to him.
so, when the hermes cabin felt suffocating, and his mind was reeling, late at night, luke would venture off into the woods.
luke felt at comfort with the odd eeriness that filled the late night air - he didn't jump or flinch at the sounds of leaves crunching or bushes rustling - he felt at peace with the scary.
that was, until he saw footsteps in the mud.
curious, luke followed the trail, until he reached an more open area of the forest, and he leaned up against a tree, taking in the sight in front of him with pure curiosity.
there you were, wearing grey sleep shorts, a black tank top, and a pink cardigan, dancing in the middle of this forest.
you seemed to be in your own world, sneakers planted in the ground as you did some simple plies, and luke watched, transfixed by the sight. your hair was tied up by a pink ribbon, and you had the most peaceful expression on your face, not one luke had ever seen before.
you were relatively new to camp, only having arrived in the past year. you were quickly claimed by your mother, aphrodite, and gained a fast group of friends and a positive reputation. luke and you hadn't talked much - sure, he gave you your tour, and the two of you had got on quite well, but once you got claimed, he didn't have much time to talk to you, given the rapid enthusiasm of your siblings.
he didn't know you were a dancer, a good one in fact. you elegantly pranced around, your feet moving quickly yet gracefully. luke was mesmerized - he had never really seen anything like it, like you. you seemed so free - so unburdened by the struggles of being a demi god. just you, alone (kind of?), dancing - luke guessed like every other demigod, you had found your own way to feel normal in this crazy world.
eventually, your eyes caught luke, and you stumbled back, imidiatley flushing. gods, you were mortified!
"l-luke? what are you doing here?" you exclaimed indignantly.
luke remained leaned up against the tree, the corners of his lips tilting upwards. "was on a walk, happend to come across you."
you huff. "how long have you been there?"
he shrugs, standing up straight. "not long." he walks forwards a bit, closer to where you stood. "you dance?"
wasnt it obvious? you thought, but awkwardly twiddled your thumbs. "well, used to, i guess. cant really anymore, cause....you know." you say, your voice somewhat shy.
luke humed in recognition. "yeah, the whole demigod thing doesnt help. wouldnt be fun if a cyclops showed up to a rectial, huh?" he said, the dry yet teasing humour in his voice elicited a giggle from your lips. "guess not," you agree softly, your eyes twinkling happily.
luke, feeling a little bashful, rubbed the back of his neck. "uh, your really good by the way. i feel a bit bad interrupting, you were in the zone."
you bite your lip, feeling a bit embarrassed. "yeah well, theres never really time to dance anymore, so i guess whenever i cant sleep i come out here to." you look him up and down. "is that why you're out here? you cant sleep?"
luke hums. "yeah. nightmares," he simplifies, his thoughts being brought back to the reason he left his cabin.
you blow out a breath of air. "hate those," you mumble.
luke observes you. "you enjoying camp?" he asks, changing subject.
you smile a little, nodding. "yeah, its different then what i thought it would be. it actually been really great, my sibling have been super welcoming," you say, your voice sounding so genuine and enthusiastic it was hard for luke not to smile.
his lips quirk up, eyes filled with a bit of mischief. "yeah, well, camp'll do that for you."
you bite your lip, almost as if you were contemplating your next words. "y'know, i haven't seen much of you since i got here. you must be busy."
luke chuckles a bit. "why, have you been looking for me?"
his flirty words heated your cheeks and you let out a nervous laugh. "no!" yes. "i was just wondering."
luke poked his tongue to the inside of his cheek. "right, right."
you talked for a little longer, before luke escorted you back to your cabin. you thanked him with a quick kiss to the cheek before running inside, and luke walked back to his own cabin, distracted from the overbearing titan in his dreams, even if only for a little while.
#xoxo#why was it so hard to write dancing istg#luke castellan fic#love u angels#luke castellan#luke castellan x reader#percy jackson x reader#luke castellan fanfic#luke castellan imagine#lukexreader#luke castellan x ballerina!reader#ballerina!reader#pjo#percy jackson fic
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How to write a villain protagonist
By Writerthreads on Instagram
Writing a villain as your main character can be a lot of fun, but it takes some finesse to make them both captivating and believable. You want the audience to stay hooked on their journey, even if they don't exactly like them. Here’s how you can pull it off:
Give Them a Real Reason for What They Do
Your villain needs a solid, personal motivation. It doesn’t have to justify their actions, but it should help the reader understand why they’re doing what they’re doing. Are they after power? Revenge? Or maybe they think they’re saving the world in their own twisted way? Give them a goal that feels deeply personal, even if it’s dark.
Make Them More Than Just “Evil”
A one-note villain gets boring fast. Your villain needs to have layers—maybe they’ve got a tragic past, a secret fear, or something they genuinely care about. The more depth you give them, the more interesting they’ll be. Show us the human side of them, even if they try to hide it.
Let Them Be Likeable… In Their Own Way
Even villains need redeeming qualities, something that makes us stick with them. Maybe they’re charming, super clever, or fiercely loyal to someone. We don’t have to agree with them, but giving them qualities we can respect or understand helps the reader stay invested.
Show Their Inner Struggles
Villains aren’t always cold-blooded. They can have moments where they doubt themselves, or hesitate before crossing a line. Letting us in on their internal conflict makes them more human, and gives us a reason to care, even when they’re making terrible choices.
Let Us See the World Through Their Eyes
Show the world from their perspective and let us understand why they think they’re in the right. Even if we disagree, getting inside their head helps us relate to them on some level.
Don’t Feel Like You Need to Make Them Good!
Resist the temptation to redeem your villain at every turn. It’s okay if they stay bad or make morally questionable choices. The appeal of a villain protagonist often comes from their willingness to do things a hero wouldn’t. Let them be ruthless if that’s who they are.
Give Them a Worthy Opponent
Just because your main character is the villain doesn’t mean they shouldn’t face opposition. In fact, they need it more than ever! Whether it’s a classic hero trying to stop them or someone even worse than they are, your villain should have someone challenging them, which keeps the stakes high.
Make the Stakes Personal
Villains usually have something or someone they care about, even if it’s in a twisted way. Maybe they’re trying to protect someone, prove something, or avoid a fate worse than death. Whatever it is, make sure the stakes feel personal and emotional. That way, when they make their big, terrible decisions, we understand why.
Play with Moral Grey Areas
Writing a villain protagonist lets you explore deeper questions of morality. What is “good” or “evil” when seen from their perspective? How far would they go to achieve their goals, and what does that say about them—or us? Use their journey to challenge both your characters and your readers on these themes.
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