#all the systems that are like ‘yeah this singlet is right persecutors should be one way and one way only!!!!’

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No one ever wants to talk about the persecutor alters who are ‘evil’.

[ultrabright-flashlight]

ooooooo oh no i'm a spooooky endo system totally here to oppress you instead of just trying to exist without being harassed and suibaited by anti-endos ooooooo. lmao get fucking real. unless you got some actual screencaps proving what you just said you're just talkin' out of your ass

Good evening, follower of batm0th. Here’s the post I was working on for a while.

I may reblog this post in the future to include more stuff. Long post up ahead! Additionally, if there’s any trigger warnings that should be on this but are not, please let me know

First check out @endo-death-threats. There is also @reblogging-ableist-posts where you can search the tags for ‘dissociative identity disorder’ and ‘other specified dissociative disorder’ to find plenty instances of endogenic ableism. @sysmedsaresexist tends to post screenshots of endos being hella shitty. There’s also @justanothersyscourse​ who’s got lots of good sources, and occasionally corrects misinformation.

Anyways!

Do you know about the Empowered Multiples movement? It was a movement started by people who claimed to be systems without trauma. They attempted to demedicalize DID/OSDD, dissociative trauma disorders. Why would you demedicalize a medical condition? So you can make it harder for them to get help? Did you know that this movement started with DIDOSDD systems who rejected recovery? Your movement is rooted in anti-recovery.

You’ve seen all the medical terms that pro-endos like to steal right? System, alter, switching, fronting, dormancy, intergration, splitting, protector, persecutor, little, caretaker, etc etc. It’s all supposed to be medical terms for systems but endos have stolen and appropriated anything they possibly can.

‘Traumascum’ is a term that some pro-endos like to use. Do I even need to explain why that’s messed up?

‘Sysmed’ is also a term that endos like to use, going off the use of transmed. This is transphobic for comparing gender identity to a mental illness, and comparing a mental illness to gender identity. The use of the term as a negative connotation means... What? It’s bad to medicalize systemhood? You want to demedicalize these life-changing disorders? You DO want to bar these people from the help they need? And what for? Just do you can feel better. Trans systems have voiced their concerns about the use of the term, yet they are ignored and silenced because they disagree with pro-endos. Here is a very well thought out post on it

Have you heard of tulpas? They are a sacred buddhist practice. Yet pro-endos have appropriated the hell out of this practice, and conflated it with systemhood. Here is an explanation full of sources on the subject

I’m sure you know about the recent doxxing that’s happened. At least 3 anti-endos were doxxed, all of them POC and minors. Doesn’t seem like much of a coincidence, honestly! Dramaticsyscourse is one of those who were doxxed. Rape and murder threats were sent as well

Account I believe to be deactivated, stealing from systems. More here

Here is an example of a pro-endo admitting to ignoring the concerns of a system who pointed out their ableism. 

Here is a pro-endo calling a system the r slur and telling them to die

Plaindamndisgusting is a pro-endo who loves to harass people unprovoked!

https://ultrabright-flashlight.tumblr.com/post/678233288001945600/yeah-yeah-im-the-good-guy-abon

https://ultrabright-flashlight.tumblr.com/post/678233487070953472/you-harassed-me-and-my-friends

https://ultrabright-flashlight.tumblr.com/post/678233613993705472/screenshot-my-blog-expise-me

https://ultrabright-flashlight.tumblr.com/post/678233847335452672/i-suffer-from-horrific-psychosis-and-bpd-and

This is a really big one honestly.

QueerAutism tends to just make claims and avoid backing it up

A pro-endo singlet’s infantilization of a system voicing their concerns

More infantilization, bonus of being incredibly condescending

@/queeradhd is a pro-endo singlet who’s voice is lifted above systems because they lick the boots of endos

@/Sophieinwonderland is the one of the most supported voices in DID/OSDD talks, and yet, she doesn’t have any dissociative disorder! She said it herself! She’s mostly supported by endos. They will really do whatever they can for the sake of validation. Also, here’s her making excuses for egging on hallucinations and delusions

More on encouraging delusions. Don’t try to tell me this person suffers from psychosis or schizophrenia, having something doesn’t excuse you from ableism to it

Endo supporter encouraging denial

They really treat this disorder like a gender

I’ve deleted the reblogs after the original post was taken down due to the current situation, but while anti-endos were being doxxed, an endo decided to make a blocklist. Potential victims, whoopee! 

Fetishizing japanese people for the sake of making up an origin(kawaiigenic)

This is straight up wrong. Dissociative disorders ARE trauma disorders. The reason it doesn’t list trauma as a requirement is because this disorder is meant to make you forget trauma. Separating dissociative disorders from trauma disorders is extremely dangerous and roots systems in denial. This user went on to tell people trying to correct their dangerous misinfo that they shouldn’t interact. Here is a well made post explaining it, using the DSM.

So many systems have been manipulated into heavy denial of trauma, symptoms, dissociation, and everything to tell themselves they’re endogenic. I do not have the words to describe how dangerous and harmful this is. You guys are all about believing lived experiences with no criticism or scrutiny whatsoever no matter what, right? Well, believe these ones, then. Here is more on the damage pro-endos have done to systems

There’s another blog I know that receives so much shitty harassment from endos, but I don’t want to show that right now cause they’re going through a hard time atm. They don’t need any more of this shit

The only thing that matters to endos is validation, and you MUST believe and support anything they say, no matter what. Don’t ask for sources or anything,or you’re a bigot because you don’t immediately believe anything you read on the internet. If they make a claim they are right, they’re always right, if you disagree you’re wrong and everything psychology has researched is wrong, they are the exception to reality because they said so. They can and will silence and talk over disabled people, POC, trans people, ANYONE necessary for validation. And here you are, proving my point, trying to silence my concerns over what you’re doing. Disregarding and disbelieving the things I tried to tell you.

Minorities ONLY deserve to be heard if they support you.

You may say you’re ‘just trying to exist’, but really, just be claiming to be endogenic you’re spreading dangerous misinformation.

And ultimately, there’s no real proof that being an endogenic system is actually possible. The ‘sources’ you have are demanding we believe whatever you say, misinterpreting actual resources, biased websites, and anything else that isn’t legitimate.

We are not insisting that you need to fit a super specific box of what a system is. Systems are diverse! We’re only asking you to fit the BASIC CRITERIA. If you do not fit the basic criteria, you are not a system, and you should stop talking over us.

The main concern endos have is simple validity. The concerns anti-endos have is the demedicalization, stigmatization, and dangerous misinformation about systems.

Some other instances of endogenic harassment:

(In that last one, QueerAutism is coming after someone unproked, then misusing the term gaslighting, which is insensitive to gaslighting victims)

Shit sent to memoriesofthecircularroom:

https://memoriesofthecircularroom.tumblr.com/post/678918032934010880/all-sysmeds-are-scum

https://memoriesofthecircularroom.tumblr.com/post/678882226559139841/stop-fucking-harassing-sophie

https://memoriesofthecircularroom.tumblr.com/post/678851430416842752/jfc-i-was-being-genuine-no-need-to-be-an-asshole

Can’t wait for some pro-endo to come and talk over me again because I only deserve to be heard if I validate them. 

Thank you to everyone who pitched in for this post! If anybody has more to add on, feel free to do so