#monster high g3 critical

[omegabenaeart]

🎃🎃One week until Halloween🎃🎃

For the next week I'll be redesigning some Monster High characters, starting with Frankie!

[lvnamuraart]

New merch, maybe?? Would you be interested in keychains or button pins?

[they-them-that]

Sorry it's another angry Monster High post lol, but some of y'all insulting the new voices for some of G3's characters really need to reevaluate yourselves. 💀

Those are literally real people's voices and not just for the VA's. It doesn't matter if you like G1's voices more, you don't need to be rude about the new ones??

[tae-shimura-is-my-wife]

Ok so Jinafire in g3 is green because the yellow skin is a racist caricature makes sense, but why does Mattel still sells g1 Jinafire then? Why didn't they changed her skin color too? Isn't she racist? It is okay to sell a racist caricature as a collector? And why aren't mh fans talking about it? "Jina is offensive but look at her beautiful fang vote doll!", nothing makes sense in my head...

[akascow]

i dont really like the male MH dolls (their ankle articulation and waist to shoulder proportions creeps me out) but do u think theyll make a g3 gil doll lol

i know hes still like a side character of a side character but hed be kinda neat maybe idk

ooh or a finnagan one i think his new wheelchair is sick asf (and hes in a surprising number of episodes this gen)

[reverse-harem-protag]

still thinking about the missed opportunity of having all the characters in monster high with sexualities that fit with the characters. clawdeen being lesbian and having friendly competition/wingman moments with clawd. frankie being they/them works amazing but what about being pansexual? excited to be a teenager and wanting to experience everything. cleo thinking everyone is just not attractive for thousands of years (because she's way out of her league) and then she's revealed to just be demisexual. draculaura being not allowed to date until she's 1600 so she dreams of a fairytale romance only to find it's not what she was looking for!

[scrumptiousobjectcollector]

[go-setyoursoulonfire]

Man, Monster High G3 really did not want to commit to giving Toralei a redemption arc. In the season 1 finale she seemed to take a step on the right track...and then promptly did a 180 for the rest of the show.

[freaky-flawless]

Okay, ngl, I feel like Darko Dark's art is a little too good.

It's gorgeous, don't get me wrong, but also incredibly detailed. So much so that it makes the dolls look really underwhelming by comparison.

The old art was bad, and undoubtedly needed to be changed because it looked downright unprofessional (not to mention it was traced) but because it looked so bad, it made the dolls look better imo.

There needs to be a middle ground, and Darko's art should be reserved for the special releases, like it was before with the collector Voltageous doll, or simplified to be less detailed and more accurate to the dolls.

[toydump]

Honestly I don't like the new core doll. I like the darker colours of the prototype as well as the more form fitting sleeves. I do like the new shoes but I think that the prototype outfit with a more pink instead of red would have worked better. I would definitely keep the new bow because it's smaller. The prototype just gives off a cooler, witchier vibe. And the bats! The bats look so cool. I feel like the 2024 is just missing a lot of things, and that's not even mentioning the materials

prayers were answered

[bob-soup]

I NEED the monster high community to learn the difference between "showing culture" and being orientalist/racist. The criticism of g3 Jinafire in comparison to g1 is driving me insane. I'm so sick of everyone saying they "erased her culture" because she isn't talking in a forced accent, wearing a sexualized Qipao, and having gold skin. I'm sorry, but your incorrect assumptions of a culture are not better representation. Just because YOU as a white person don't think g3 jinafire is "Chinese" enough, doesn't mean her culture was "erased." Maybe you just need to reconcile with the fact that you don't actually know this culture?

Idk about yall, but I personally trust Annalise Lao to design a doll based on Chinese culture more than a white woman who went on a brief vacation in China.

It's the same song and dance every g3 doll. "They erased her culture!!!" and it's a doll designed by a person actually from that culture instead of a random white designer full of stereotypes and inaccuracy.

[starrylayle]

no it's not "forced diversity", you just hate seeing minority leads.

I really didn't want to comment on this, but as someone who has recently rediscovered monster high and loves the new show, I've seen so much criticism that isn't exactly...constructive?

I've seen a lot of people say that making Frankie non-binary is 'forced', 'lazy' and 'uninspired', when that is just simply not true?? Let's unpack their character for a moment. They are made of a ton of different dead body parts, some male and some female. If you were to use the 'biology excuse' it wouldn't even make sense in this context -- they literally have male and female organs!! Also alot of nonbinary people feel as though they have lots of parts to themselves,, what better way to portray that than through a monster character struggling with the same thing? It's literally such a cool allegory!! Creators have been using magic/fantasy to describe/symbolise real world issues and feelings for ages,, why is it such a big deal creators do this for more marginalised people. [also,, the orginal Frankenstein creature was heavily queer coded in the first place so its a sweet easter egg).

I also see people say,, 'oh why couldn't they just have made a new character be non-binary instead of changing the pronouns of a former one'. I hate this argument so much because it sounds like it's in good faith, but really what they're trying to say is "stay away from my white cishet characters and go make one of the irrelevant side characters queer or or just make a whole new show starring them that I have no interest in watching'. Just admit you don't want to see queer characters as leads.

I also think that sometimes cishet ppl (or non-marginalised ppl in general but i've mostly been seeing an attack on the queer characters hence the example) forget that we also grew up watching monster high?? and related to the characters?? And we would be so excited if we saw our favourite characters with similar traits to us?? Like sheesh,, cishet ppl have so much representation like let us have this pls 😭 😭

Actually speaking of representation in Monster High, g1 was already pretty diverse and inclusive, and its nice to see g3 follow in its legacy and become even more inclusive as times change! Like, they really said 'fuck you' to all the conservatives and included a drag queen character, a non-binary main character, autistic side character and so many more!! It makes me so happy to see and its probably why its one of my comfort show rn amidst the rise of the anti-lgbt rhetoric, especially concerning children's media.

So respectfully, to all those people claiming that the new monster high is "forced diversity" --- fuck you xxx

[cclowneryy]

is it just me or did the monster high fandom get like insanely toxic as soon as g3 happened. like before even g2 was released it was such a chill and peaceful fandom w a couple of bad apples. then g2 came along and…yeah the reaction to it was bad, not gonna deny that. but most ppl just ignored it and went along their day.

but then g3 happened and hmmm let’s see: sending death threats/harassing the people behind both the live action movies and animation, homophobia/transphobia (especially on Frankie like holy fuck), racism (but she’s gween 😢😢😢😢 stfu cracker), ableism, fatphobia (no onision just bc someone has thick thighs does not mean they’re obese), and overall just…yikes.

i have my criticisms w g3. it isn’t the perfect generation/reboot but holy fuck are the locals giving it such a bad name because it stands for diversity and accepting people regardless of identity. i think i explained my criticisms already, but honestly being prejudice and speaking over ppl who are represented in g3 is shameful and you deserved to be mocked for it.

tldr, monster high fandom was cool before TikTok’s brain-rotted “im so mean 😛” bitches got their greasy hands on it. Like sis you can’t even ask the counter guy for a pack of ketchup calm down pookie

[cosmomoore]

Lenore Loomington is an incredibly boring doll that lacks any semblance of what makes a Monster High character, a Monster High character.

She is 100% an OC of her designer, which wouldn't be a problem, but the character exists for the sole purpose to sell merchandise, which I recognize is the entire point, but she feels like such an obvious cash grab.

Lenore doesn't fit into the larger narrative, she's just a ghost, but barely? Her design language doesn't reflect what is expected of ghost designs within the MH G1 universe and her colors already belong to other characters. Her outfit isn't worth the price (the lack of hems on a doll that costs $75 USD is simply unacceptable) and it also looks like it was "inspired" by a certain LOL OMG doll.

If anything she is proof that her designer cannot design within the brand identity that Monster High G1 established. It's unfortunate because someone with as much industry experience as Rebeculame (I'll go into why I call her that later*) is unable to adhere to those guidelines. If I were to not able to adhere to the brand identity of clients in my design field, I wouldn't be employed.

She legitimately looks like if someone fed a description of Amanita into an image generator (sans green skin).

Given all of that, it's not really surprising that she hasn't sold out yet. Personally, I think the most interesting things about her are her pet (that looks like a Fakemon) and her lantern. Her shoes are underwhelming by G1 standards and Mattel's old "the premium display packaging justifies the price" does not apply here.

Anyways, I know critiques of MH have been done to death, but I figured I'd put my two cents about Lenore out into the open. If you like her, that is great! It's honestly wonderful that she is still available and didn't sell out to upsellers immediately.

I'll never not be critical of Monster High (and furthermore Mattel as a whole). For all the good that G3 has done, there is plenty of bad (and outright sus). Their handling of the G1 brand has been all over the place, but it has largely uninteresting (to me personally) at best and incredibly underwhelming at worst. Their handling of G1 drops has been incredibly frustrating and Mattel Creations' as a whole (on the doll side of things) is a joke.

I'll never get over the fact that G1 was revived with licensed tie-ins featuring a homophobic clown and the ghosts of murdered children. If that wasn't sign of how I've felt about its revival as a whole, I don't know what is.

*The main reason I call her that is because she signed large amounts of SDCC exclusive dolls that were obviously going to be resold by upsellers and, when criticized for it, acted entirely unprofessional. Well that and how dirty she did G3 Clawdeen...

[t4tails]

i’m not a monster high fan (i was always more into eah lol) but i remember clawdeen being my favorite of the og mh generation and seeing this made me kinda disappointed so i gotta ask u, isn’t she the main character in g3? if they got rid of her sisters and changed her interest in fashion, then what do they have her doing now? what makes her the main character?

im dont follow g3 lore really but i do think that pic is kind of doing g3 clawdeen a disservice. she still has an interest in fashion! its just the doll designers arent great at portraying that. and the "making her half human" was actually their way of doing a biracial storyline, which while you can criticize mattel for doing that to the one Black mc, its weird to frame it as like... making her boring imo. and while they did get rid of clawdia, and howleen is no longer related to her, clawd is still her brother! shes not the same as g1 clawdeen for sure but she still like, has stuff going on lmao

[akascow]

another g1v3 discourse rant :/

‘g3 is too childlike now’ need i remind yall theyre 15?? thats how 15 year olds act bro😭😭 if anything g1 was way too adult

also the show is targeted towards kids ofc theyre gonna seem childlike in the eyes of an adult

and the reason the fashion was ‘dulled down’ a bit is probably bc most modern 15 year olds arent obsessed with 2010s fashion that yall so desperately crave HAHA