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Woe to Tim Burton - A review of Wednesday

Woe to Tim Burton – A review of Wednesday

Recently Netflix announced that the 2022 Jenna Ortega fronted limited series, Wednesday, surpassed the viewership record previously set by Stranger Things. Now, of course, we have no reason to actually trust Netflix on this. The company is notoriously opaque regarding user data. However it is safe to say that Wednesday has been a pretty big deal in the November media market, perched between the…

[hislittleraincloud]

Enid's Half of the Room, Before & After

Before (Season 1):

After (Season 2):

It is highly rumored that Ever Moore "Eevee" Hardy a.k.a. "Gothic Baby" will be portraying baby!Wednesday, since they were on set recently (and these are stills from her mom's TT). Just rumor/speculation, though.

As for the room: Less plushies, more bohemian touches. Enid's gone through werewolf puberty and is growing up.

[yog-sothoth-official]

oh. oh no

[mask131]

I see a lot of people criticize Tim Burton for the bad things in the show “Wednesday”. 

DO NOT LET YOURSELVES BE FOOLED BY THE MARKETING TEAM!

I know they sold it as “Tim Burton’s Wednesday” and talked about him in every promo material, but remember: HE IS NOT THE DRIVING FORCE BEHIND THIS SHOW.

He is the “director” of the show, yes... for only four episodes. The first four to be exact. Beyond that, he just acts as executive producer.

Because in truth, this project is a three-men creation. Yes it took inspiration from earlier attempts by Burton to create an Addams Family movie, but the Netflix show you see before you was actually created by the duo of Alfred Gough and Miles Millar. THEY are the two showrunners of “Wednesday”, not Tim Burton. AND they are executive producers of the show, just like him. AND they also are the writers of the show! But again, for only four episodes: they wrote the scripts of the first two and last two episodes. 

[demifiendrsa]

Wednesday: Season 2 | Cast Reveal

Season 2 of Netflix's Wednesday is now in production.

Season 2 cast

Starring:

Jenna Ortega as Wednesday Addams

Steve Buscemi as Barry Dort

Emma Myers as Enid Sinclair

Hunter Doohan as Tyler Galpin

Joy Sunday as Bianca Barclay

Victor Dorobantu as Thing

Moosa Mostafa as Eugene Ottinger

Luyanda Unati Lewis-Nyawo as Ritchie Santiago

Billie Piper as Capri

Georgie Farmer as Ajax Petropolus

Isaac Ordonez as Pugsley Addams

Evie Templeton

Owen Painter

Noah Taylor

Luis Guzmán as Gomez Addam

Catherine Zeta-Jones as Morticia Addams

Guest starring:

Joanna Lumley as Grandmama

Thandiwe Newton as Dr. Fairburn

Jamie McShane as Donovan Galpin

Frances O'Connor

Haley Joel Osment

Heather Matarazzo

Joonas Suotamo

Fred Armisen as Uncle Fester

Christopher Lloyd

[leavesdriftinginthewind]

I’m rewatching Wednesday and pouring over details because I’m #obsessive and I missed the first time around that Xavier says that visions are often triggered by emotions and A LOT OF WEDNESDAY’S VISIONS WERE TRIGGERED WHEN SHE BUMPED INTO TYLER AND HER WORST ONE SO FAR WAS THEN THEY WERE KISSING. SHE WAS SO HAPPY AND IN LOVE AND HER EMOTIONS TRIGGERED HER WORST VISION

[psychic-refugee]

I don’t want to claim that Wenclair as a ship doesn’t exist. Again, I’ve always been a big proponent that fandom is a) supposed to be fun and b) it’s up to interpretation and opinion. The latter makes your ship valid because that’s how you feel. Perhaps it doesn’t make your reasons rational or anchored in canon, but again we go back to a) where it’s supposed to be fun.

I don’t have a problem with Wenclair the ship. I have a problem with Wenclairs the people who have a well-documented history of harassment on non-fandom sites such as Instagram and Twitter of the celebrities in question.

Here are some of the reasons why I don’t specifically see Wenclair/I see a platonic relationship.

Gough and Millar framed Enid and Wednesday as a “sisterhood” and “friendship.” (NME, 24 Dec 2023) This is in DIRECT reaction to being asked about Wenclair. They are the authority of canon as they are the authors of Wednesday and Enid as we know them from this iteration of the Addams Family.

The fact they said its “possible” in the future means Wenclair is not currently true. I also think they were simply being polite and did not want to offend the Wenclairs. Given how badly some react to the possibility of Wenclair not being canon, I don’t blame Gough and Millar for trying to remain neutral about it.

Again, this is Millar and Gough, the true writers and authority of Wednesday.

Secondly, Jenna herself proclaimed no romance. She made an effort in an interview to stress Wednesday had no SO and would have no SO. This is right after joking about Wenclair being a possibility. I believe this is a direct consequence of Wenclairs harassment when they took her words too far and harassed anyone who disagreed with them or threatened the possibility of the ship. (Digital Spy, 8 June 2023)

Emma also wants Wednesday to be single. (Variety, 30 Jan 2023)

There has been no talk, joking or otherwise, of Wenclair being a possibility in almost two years. They in fact seem to be making an effort to not a) talk about it and b) distance themselves from it.

As of this post, none of the cast or writers have done promo for the novel nor have acknowledged it in any way. They also do not follow Meija on socials.

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that a) they completely avoid mentioning it anymore in interviews, b) stressing no romance, c) Jenna quit Twitter because of what I suspect a Wenclair sending her AI porn. (Entertainment Weekly, 25 Aug 2024), and d) Jenna won’t ever come out with who she’s dating. (Vanity Fair, 6 August 2024)

I think all of this ties into Wenclair harassment. (Tumblr, 29 August 2024)

Thirdly, one of my litmus tests of whether something could be platonic is if you switch out person A with a known family member of Person B.

This would be pretty gross, right? To have a “fizzy” feeling for your father? Not to mention the addition of kissing full on the mouth in such a way, TWICE. To me this is a clear sexual reaction on Wednesday’s part and could not be construed as platonic.

Here, if Morticia had saved Wednesday and had this moment, it could still work. It wouldn’t be weird, so this scene is not necessarily romantic.

I think pretty much every interaction with Enid could be replaced by Morticia or Pugsly, and it wouldn’t make it as off putting as the Tyler example.

Meija could have at any point described Wednesday’s feelings while in Enid’s presence as “fizzy” or anything remotely romantic and they chose not to.

If they meant for it to be romantic regardless, they don’t have the confidence to stand by their work and say it outright.

So, unless it’s Game of Thrones where sibling/family incest is the norm, then seeing Enid and Wednesday as platonic is a fair interpretation.

[vintagewarhol]

[romancedream]

By liking this comment, Miles Millar gave validation to the relentless bullying, harassment, doxxing, and death threats that @percy received after the hate campaign that was created only because he stared in Millar's streaming series: @wednesdaynetflix

Despite the concrete evidence of the young man's innocence. The series' showrunner and writer decided to terminate Percy's role in the show out of fear of losing viewers and, by extension, money. Completely disregarding the 22-year-old's mental health, well-being, and career prospects in the future. 😡😡😡😡😡

Both @milesmillar and @goughalfred watched silently while @percy was being used as a punching bag for the obsessive fangirl haters who couldn't stand his role as "the love interest" of Wednesday in this fictional show. They let him absorb all the hatred that came along with the massive success of the series,

and then they threw him out of the show, hoping to start a new clean page, while Percy gets to suffer from the negativity and destruction of the hit series all by himself.

It's important to note that Percy and members of the cast of Wednesday, alongside their new costars from other shows and films, are still getting bullied and se*ualized to this day by the same online psychopaths that millar supported.

[gameofthunder66]

Wednesday (2022- ) tv series

-(finished) watchin' Season 1- 9/15/2023- 3 [1/2] stars- on Netflix

[cupoteahatter]

No One:

Me: I keep seeing like people compare Tyler and Jeremy when it comes to Beetlejuice Beetlejuice cus of the twist but the thing is that in actuality Tyler’s closest counterpart in the movie is Astrid. Like think about it for two seconds, estranged from one parent, the other is dead, emotional neglect definitely happening somewhere, meets someone who reaches out and genuinely seems to care about them for the first time in forever and is then manipulated through the use of the dead parent into doing something dark and terrible. Also if we take into consideration that Jeremy died in the 90s then that puts his mental age somewhere in his 40s and Thornhill/Laurel Gates is in her 40s when she comes to town and grooms Tyler. There’s also the way that the narrative in Wednesday is LITERALLY telling you all of this in the same text through every other voice but Tyler’s, he’s the one villainising himself after his reveal twist honestly, but the story around him is still going “No, he’s not THE villain” whilst showing us that Laurel Gates is! Making it clear that Tyler is also her Victim! Beetlejuice Beetlejuice doesn’t do anything but go “Jeremy is the villain, he is the bad guy, he did all the killing cus he wanted to” in the same way Wednesday as a story tells us that Gates/Thornhill is! Whilst making it explicitly clear that Tyler by NATURE of his kind of outcast essentially has very little free will once under the influence of a master.

Me: Astrid and Tyler have so much in common in base character that it’s ridiculous and I have Millar, Gough and Burton’s FUCKING number and can elaborate at the drop of a hat it will just take me three to four business days to write the essay cus of the ADHD!

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Wednesday Alfred Gough, Miles Millar. 2022

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[hislittleraincloud]

Oh nooooo...!!!

(LOL)

Looks like Enid's got a GIRL on her wardrobe held up by a HEART STICKER! Ooooo, Wednesday's gonna be so pissed!

✨💩✨

[cantsayidont]

BEETLEJUICE BEETLEJUICE (2024): Unnecessary sequel to Tim Burton's charmingly cartoonish 1988 afterlife comedy has more of everything except story or sense: The script (by the ever-hackish Alfred Gough and Miles Millar) is a slapdash assembly of at least five different plots, none of which fit together and all of which are dropped unceremoniously the moment the writers (or perhaps Burton, whose own hackishness has grown acute over the years) get bored, which is also true of the film's never very coherent supernatural rules. It's a shame, because Winona Ryder's welcome return as an older and MILFier Lydia Deetz — now the host of a parody of one of those dumb ghost investigations shows — is fun, as is the dynamic between Lydia and her teenage daughter Astrid (Jenna Ortega, who at this rate will be playing Goth high school kids until she's 35), who doesn't believe in any of Lydia's ghost sightings.

Monica Bellucci, as a vengeful and sexy spirit who literally puts herself back together with a staple gun (a great idea marred by terrible CGI), and Willem Dafoe, as a Clint Eastwoodish actor who is now policing the afterlife, are also entertaining, although they seem to be holdovers from a completely different draft of the script. Unfortunately, Catherine O'Hara (as Lydia's stepmother Delia) overacts more than Frank Gorshin playing the Riddler, and if you felt Michael Keaton's Beetlejuice was the weak spot of his own movie the first time around, the sequel will not endear you to him; the script makes Beetlejuice even more of a creep than the original, still obsessed with Lydia more than 40 years later for reasons that we're just expected to roll with.

If Gough and Millar could have put these pieces together in any kind of coherent order, it might have been okay, but it really burns an awful lot of goodwill before it's over, and it's mostly thanks to Ryder and Ortega that it walks away with any positive vibes at all. CONTAINS LESBIANS: No. VERDICT: I guess it could have been worse, but c'mon.

[brokehorrorfan]

The ghost with the most is back in Beetlejuice Beetlejuice, hitting theaters September 6 via Warner Bros. I'm giving readers in the Boston area the opportunity to see the film early - and for free!

Broke Horror Fan is sponsoring an advance screening of Beetlejuice Beetlejuice at AMC Boston Common in Boston, MA on Tuesday, September 3, at 7:00pm.

Click here to get your passes while supplies last. Seating is first-come, first-served and not guaranteed, so be sure to arrive early! Attendees are encouraged to dress up in gothic glam or afterlife attire.

Tim Burton returns to direct a sequel to his 1988 classic from a script by Alfred Gough and Miles Millar. Michael Keaton, Winona Ryder, Catherine O'Hara, Justin Theroux, Monica Bellucci, Jenna Ortega, and Willem Dafoe star.

After an unexpected family tragedy, three generations of the Deetz family return home to Winter River. Still haunted by Beetlejuice, Lydia's life is turned upside down when her rebellious teenage daughter, Astrid, discovers the mysterious model of the town in the attic and the portal to the Afterlife is accidentally opened. With trouble brewing in both realms, it's only a matter of time until someone says Beetlejuice's name three times and the mischievous demon returns to unleash his very own brand of mayhem.