After doing some thinking on this, I think the most interesting movie in the Creed-Rocky universe is “Creed II”:
While most of the movies in the franchise are good, Creed II fascinates me since it’s actually different in how it approaches the main conflict. Most of the movies follow the same formula of underdog boxer must triumph over superior opponent, while Creed II feels more focused on the behind-the-scenes drama and history.
This movie could’ve easily just been a revenge story. Adonis wants to avenge his dad, so he beats up the son of his dad’s killer. However, it feels like the writers of the movie wanted to dig deeper into this. While the revenge story would be simpler and more theatrical, Creed II instead asks the audience how this would be realistically.
And the answer is…really sad, actually.
You’d think that Adonis would be at Kill Bill-levels of vengeful, but he’s not. Instead, he’s more frustrated by how he’s expected to want to avenge his father. He just became world champion and yet the media is only talking about him fighting Viktor Drago. Even Donnie admits you can’t talk about the Creeds without talking about the Dragos. Sure, he does resent Ivan, of course he would. But he doesn’t have a beef with Viktor, and it shows.
Viktor wasn’t doing any better. Although he was trash talking Donnie, you can tell how frustrated he was with how he was being used to “restore” Ivan’s honor. He hated how the Russian leaders, especially his mother, were only treating him and his father well after he started winning in the ring. None of it felt genuine, it’s like he was just a racehorse to them.
When you look at Donnie and Viktor’s arcs as a whole, it’s fascinating just how the arcs work as an overall discussion on legacy. Legacy ends up being the true villain of the movie:
1) Donnie can’t establish his own legacy since he’s chained to his father’s legacy. Even though he has the belt, no one cared. They just wanted the spiritual successor to Apollo vs. Ivan.
2) Viktor was literally raised in hardship because of what happened to his father in the 1980s. Then, he realized he was being used as a way to restore his father’s legacy, which disgusted him.
3) For both Adonis and Viktor, neither of them harbored any actual hate to each other. Any feelings of resentment came solely from their fathers’ actions.
4) Rocky wouldn’t even put up pictures of his fight with Ivan, which makes sense since there wasn’t anything uplifting about that match. Sure, he ended the Cold War (lol) but it doesn’t change the fact that the fight was about vengeance.
5) Ivan was so traumatized by his defeat that he felt like he deserved his exiling. Exiled…for losing a damn boxing match. It took nearly losing his son in the ring for him to realize that reclaiming his lost glory was not worth it.
The end fight is, in my opinion, the most interesting showdown in the franchise. Instead of feeling like a battle between a hero and a villain, it felt more…therapeutic? It’s like Donnie and Viktor knew that they couldn’t move forward with their lives until they got this fight over with, so that’s what they do. You can tell there’s a feeling of relief on both ends once the fight finishes since Donnie got the win over Viktor (thus ending the media’s obsession over a Creed-Drago revenge match) and Ivan affirmed to Viktor that he’ll always have his father’s love.
I should note that there’s a deleted scene (it shouldn’t have been!) where Donnie, Viktor, and Ivan all make peace with each other. I feel like that was the point of making this sequel. It’s not a revenge story like what most people thought, it’s a story of healing, past trauma, generational conflict, and moving on from the past. That’s also why Creed III is a brilliant follow-up since, for the first time in the Creed series, it’s a movie that’s about Donnie’s legacy, not Apollo or Rocky’s.
Basically, Creed II treated the fight between the sons of Apollo and Ivan as an obligation that needed to be fulfilled. It’s funny since that actually works as meta commentary on the audience since that was what a lot of people wanted to see when the first Creed movie was announced. Once that obligation was finished, Donnie and Viktor were able to move on with their lives and establish their own legacies, as seen in Creed III.
And that’s kinda beautiful.
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random question but top ten munkustraps….
I’M GLAD YOU ASKED-
I’m gonna assume you mean actors and if not sorry lol :3
1. Michael Gruber
He is THE Munkustrap in my eyes. No questions asked. No statement needed :3
2. Nicolas Hagelin
(I went on a scavenger hunt tryna find a good photo of this man omfg)
I’m the tiniest bit biased cuz I saw him live twice but whateves. I really like his voice, it’s so soft. Also his arm warmers make him look like a bear to me.
3. Ivan Ozhogin
Listening to him sing “Old Deuteronomy” changed me as a person. I will never be the same. (In a good way tho.) Also peak costume design his makeup is awesome.
4. Bryan Batt
I’m being 100% biased here the only reason I like him is because he’s also from Louisiana.
5. Steve Barton
Again PEAK character design omfg I love Vienna Munkustrap. Even though I barely understand German I love listening to him sing.
6. Paul Hadobas
Zurich Munkustrap. He’s so goddamn sassy omg. (I mean, so is every Munkustrap but he’s just a whole different level.) Also listening to him sing “Old Deuteronomy” was a treat. Especially since it was a different version of a song.
7. Jack Rebaldi
Multilingual king I wanna be just like him. Also I like when he sticks his tongue out, idk I think it’s hilarious.
8. Callum Train
Yet another Munkustrap with the most beautiful voice I have ever heard in my goddamn life omg what are they feeding y’all?????
9. John Partridge
Damn what CAN’T this man do????
10. Andy Huntington Jones
Listen I just love him man I can’t explain it HES SO CUTE TO ME :(((((
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