#men in tichel

[feral-space-faerie]

men/mascs/enbys who veil, wear tichel, etc, RISE UP we're unconventional but WE EXIST

[shalom-iamcominghome]

I'm happy to report that there is a jewish version of "lol, men only have on pair of pants":

We also only have one kippah, apparently

[aguineapigcouldntdothis]

im not an orthodox jew (im conservative/masorti) nor am I a woman, but it is wild to me how often ill see an orthodox woman explain why she chooses to do something and why it brings her joy/comfort/empowerment, and literally every goy is like "ummm that sounds sooo horrible i could never do that you must be suffering so much". no she literally just said she liked it why are you convinced that every woman who is willingly part of a religion must be trapped.

like yall claim to be feminists but dont actually support women making their own choices, especially when those choices can impact men. so what if that orthodox woman isn't gonna have sex with her husband for a bit? so what if she likes to cover her hair a wig instead of a tichel? is it your place to judge her at all? the answer is no!! leave her the fuck alone. if you truly care about autonomy then learn to support it even when it's not a choice you'd personally made. do it without snarky comments about how you can't imagine how she does it, and actually try to respect the real person that she is

also please listen to actual orthodox women on this more than you listen to me. they are the ones with front row seats to this antisemitic misogyny, and they should be taken seriously when they talk about their issues

[unbidden-yidden-deactivated20240]

I dress hilariously frum for someone who isn't even orthodox, like:

Exhibit A: today I wore a long black skirt, black leggings with sneakers, pale green long-sleeved crewneck shirt, silver magen david necklace and tichel.

Exhibit B: yesterday I wore a dark grey suit dress with a shell underneath, leggings, tichel, Oxford flats, and suit jacket.

This is just... how I prefer to dress tbh? I value tzniut and I've been covering my hair for about a decade, well before I even started converting, and don't plan to stop now. Long A-line skirts with pockets and leggings underneath have all the benefits of pants without any of the downsides. Fully covering shirts mean I'm not self-conscious and am physically more comfortable pretty much always. I can move around without any fear of exposing anything I'm not comfortable with people seeing, I never have the same problems I used to with men treating me like an object (very important in my line of work what with all the men I have to stare down and have take me seriously), and physically I have relief from sun, sweat, rain, bugs, and humidity. Women feel safe around me and compliment my scarves, children sometimes are curious about them in a good way, men feel too ashamed to say anything sexual to me or give me creepy compliments, conservatives see me as Religious(TM) and liberals see me as non-Christian and therefore Marginalized(TM)/more likely to be a safe person. There are no downsides to this.

(Well okay actually the only downside to this is that I feel compelled to dress differently for marit ayin reasons when I'm doing something that is within my own Conservative practice but not up to orthodox halachic standards. But, y'know ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)

[rue-with-the-tarot]

So, not even a week after resuming my veiling practice, I experienced discrimination. I don’t wish to recount the experience to save my emotional energy, but I do want to go into why I’m glad I had this experience, and how it encourages me to continue.

Firstly, I want to acknowledge the fact that my preferred approach to veiling does in fact make me resemble Muslim women. And because of this, I want to give a heartfelt thank you to Muslim women worldwide for setting the standard for others who find empowerment and comfort in modesty. As a white person, I have been aware of and sympathetic to the plight of Muslim women worldwide, but it’s different when it happens to you. It cements it. My heart aches for your strife and is full by your courage. This is one reason I’m glad for this experience. It strengthens my resolve and compassion. Thank you.

Another reason I’m glad for the experience, is because it reiterates why I want to veil in the first place. I live in Midwestern America. Our bodily autonomy is quickly being stolen from us. Our bodies are hyper-sexualized and spoken about as if all I’m good for is having babies that the government can raise as cattle for the capitalist machine. It’s a physical symbol of rejecting that. I get to decide how I look to others. I get to decide who gets access to my body, not just in a sexual manner but as a whole. For me, it’s a radical act of feminism. It feels as though the fibers in my headscarves and coverings are woven together in a greater tapestry of women worldwide. I can feel it with Muslim women, whom I do not share a religion with, but share something more important: kinship, and sisterhood. My threads are woven with the Muslim women in France who are fighting legislation for their right to be modest (that is batshit insane) and also with those victimized by western imperialism (which gave birth to the Taliban). The tapestry is worldwide, including Jewish women and their tichels, other pagans with their bandanas and beanies, even traditional Christian women who wear lace coverings. But modesty and autonomy reach beyond the gender divide so I have home in those who are also men, nonbinary, gender-fluid, two-spirit, and many others. It is community. It filters out many people who show their true intentions and beliefs, and makes it so much easier to cut through the lies and masks of people whose support is conditional.

I have always been modest and prudish and now I can celebrate it, instead of being “othered” by it. I feel as though it is a symbol of my devotion, but also a form of radical self-care that I celebrate myself.

It is Hera’s Crown.

It is Athena’s War Helmet.

It is Hermes’ Winged Helmet.

It is Eurybia’s Cloak of the Ocean.

It is Hades’ Helmet of Shadow.

It is Hestia’s Veil.

It is Zeus’ Crown.

It makes me feel godly and holy. It protects me. It invigorates me. It gives me confidence.

Khaire.

[antisemitism-eu]

Looking at the pictures of the Hezbollah fighters and honestly my first thought is "look at all those white men" because like... what the fuck? It's so insane that leftists are now all calling jews 'white colonizers' when most israelis (tbh even most ashkenazim and members of the diaspora) have darker skin and features than most of these these caucasian-ass male terrorists do. I'm not even saying it's a contest or it matters, just that the double standard here is insane.

I just... how has everyone been so easily propagandized into believing that people who look like Gigi Hadid, Ahed Tamimi, Simi and Haze Khadra, etc are all "oppressed brown Palestinians" while simultaneously claiming that people who look like Hersh Goldberg-Polin, Jeff Goldblum, Jenny Slate, Eden Yerushalmi, etc are "white colonizers"? I feel like part of the problem is most westerners have never even visited the Middle East and have no clue that the image in their head of what Israelis (and the populations of neighboring countries) look like is basically totally false.

That's a very good point, and I wrote about that in the past.

Nazis and antisemitic progressive don't hate Jews because they're white or not white.

They hate Jews.

And they use their self-logic to explain why.

Nazis hate non-whites, so for them - Jews are the essence of non-whiteness. They're super non-white.

Antisemitic Progressives hate whites, so for them - Jews are the essence of whiteness. They're super-white.

Everything else comes from that:

People from all over western Asia are "white" in appearance, but they're considered POC because they're not "European"

But there's only one group who will never be considered white - the Jews.

Notice who's missing?

Logically, Jews are non-white. The more you look Jewish and religious, the more you'll look "other". There is nothing that will make Haredi men and women anything but the "other".

But that doesn't fit in with antisemitic logic.

If you put on a Muslim hijab - that makes you a POC.

If you put on a Jewish tichel - you're still super-white

If you're north-African, Middle-Eastern, Iranian or Afghani AND JEWISH - then Jewish wins out, and you're suddenly a white colonizer.

That's why Linda Sarsour can say that before putting on a hijab she was "just some ordinary white girl from New York City" and now she's headlining POC conferences.

And nobody sees a problem with that.

It's not about how you look.

It's not whether you're really part of the white and Christian community.

It's about hating Jews.

[quill-the-tired-one]

Veiled Queer People Belong In Queer Spaces Too

I've seen this idea that's sort of ingrained in the queer community that someone who dresses modestly and/or veils is either homophobic or doesn't belong in queer spaces. In reality, there are many queer people that wear veils like hijab/niqab, tichel, himation/tegidion, the list goes on. I think that idea comes from veiling being associated with misogyny and misogyny being linked with homophobia. While misogyny is often linked with homophobia, veiling is NOT a misogynistic practice. There's also this idea that men/nonbinary people can't and don't wear veils and many trans men and nonbinary people feel invalidated because queer and cishet people alike don't know that many religions allow and even encourage men to wear veils. In Hellenic polytheism (my religion) men and women alike have historically worn veils like the himation. I get a lot of people asking me why I identify as transmasc while wearing a veil and telling me that there's no point in me being nonbinary while wearing veils.

[yedidnefesh]

Just some personal thoughts on where I’m at this week.

I stare at the wig laying on the top of my dresser. Pretty brown waves, spilling across the glossy wood. I sigh, laying out the rest of my clothes for morning.

My choices are perhaps not the norm. For my immediate community, for myself… the rationale isn’t the same as so many. But the questions I’ve been asking are the same as those that many have had of late. You see, I’ve been gathering up scarves of so many colors and textures for years leading up to my wedding. Like precious gems many sparkle and shine. I’ve loved the beauty and joy I feel covering my hair like royalty each day since my wedding. Only some of my community keep tznius in this manner, but among those that do, a tichel is the norm.

I’m known for my outfits. For bright colors and brash concepts that garner giggles and joy. My friends rib that I look more like a preschool teacher than those of them that actively work in childcare. My tichels have been the same. An extension of self expression, while a means of creating space within myself with the public. Yes, you may view my clothes, but my body is mine. I choose when to reveal it, and to whom.

I’ve been struggling a lot in recent days about how to respond to the changing tides of political attitudes. To carefully make myself blend in—minimize the target on my back, or to boldly stand my ground. Unapologetically, loudly.

But then. I’ve been harassed a few times now. I am, for all intents and purposes, perceived as a young woman walking alone for much of my day, as my job has me traveling all over the city. Cars slowing on back roads to hurl hate. Men cornering me as I step out of subway cars. Dollar-store white supremacists emboldened by Trump’s successful campaign don’t care much about the details of my religious affiliation—Jew, Muslim, or otherwise, I’m a religious “woman” covering my hair. I’m an “other.” An easy target.

And now, my husband and sister have both shared their concerns. Their fears for my safety. Carefully worded phrases, checking on my routes, links to storefronts selling personal safety devices. Worry that in some horrible twist of fate I run into someone who is not content to stop with only words.

Most white goyim aren’t well acquainted to how to spot a wig in public. And, sans any obvious accessories, I have the privilege of becoming invisible. And for now, it seems best that I do just that. Hashem willing, this will be only a brief time. My wig is not the gorgeous, expensive, artisan crafted sheitals from skilled machers some Jewish influencers share online. It’s a simple synthetic, cheap-yet-not-too-cheap mass-manufactured product. Maybe this move will do nothing. Maybe it’s foolish. Maybe it’s a change that means nothing to anyone else outside this immediate bubble. But for now the choice itself seems to be enough.

I don’t want this mitzvah to be only one of obligation. My practice has been one of building joy and finding beauty, peace, productivity, and comfort in each piece of my life. But for safety, right now, “enough” will have to do.

[chaoticamelay]

Jewish gomens headcanons

I originally put this on twitter but I am running away from there so here they are on tumblr!

-crowley and aziraphale were very involved in how Purim came to be celebrated today! it's a holiday of dressing up (imo your outfit should always be at least a bit campy) and drinking a ton of alcohol and heckling, tell me that doesn't sound like smth they'd do

-crowley and aziraphale know ancient hebrew and it confuses the fuck out of any jewish religious leaders and modern hebrew spakers they meet bc,, why are they speaking perfect biblical hebrew,, what is this fuckery

-aziraphale likes to crochet and he has crocheted a ton of kippot for himself in all sorts of fun colours and styles

-crowley has worn both traditional men's and women's head coverings and is comfortable with both (art of crowley in a tichel should exist please i love her sm)

-aziraphale is exempt from the shopkeeper associations rule about christmas lights and his menorah for hanukkah is one of the oil cup ones bc he's a traditionalist

-crowley can walk in a synagogue without hurting his feet bc if G-d banned everyone who ever asked questions from entering there literally wouldn't be a single person allowed inside

-Crowley loves rosh hashanah because people always offer them apples and they think it's hilarious

-crowley and aziraphale do their own version of tashlich where they throw peas into the water in st james park, knowing the ducks will probably get to them first

-yom kippur is the one day a year where you'll see crowley wearing white and it's as uncomfy for everyone around him as it is for him bc it looks so weird

-them going to the ritz after armageddon was literally just "they tried to kill us, they failed, let's eat" that's so jewish of them!

-at some point someone jokes about the temple menorah being in the basement of the vatican and crowley convinces aziraphale that they should immediately go on a clandestine undercover mission to find it and return it

-one of aziraphale's many certifications/talents is being a sofer

-crowley likes to try to stump aziraphale's knowledge of jewish texts and theory with hypothetical scenarios (think "if we took cells from a living animal and cloned them and sectioned off a chunk of the new stuff and did it again and grew meat that way would it be kosher?")

-both of them skip the ritual hand washing blessing because while they aren't sure it would harm crowley, better safe than sorry!

-aziraphale has lots of opinions about latke toppings and once he didn't talk to crowley for a week bc crowley joked that he likes chocolate sauce on his

-maggie and nina are jewish and after aziraphale goes to heaven crowley spends rosh hashanah with them and they teach muriel to make round challah (this one is courtesy of twitter moots)

-crowley doesn't fast on yom kippur bc we are supposed to "be like the angels" and he only likes one (1) angel who loves to eat! so instead he just eats a bunch of aziraphale's favourite foods

[cricksims]

Borowski Legacy - 1918

Welcome, Francis Borowski!

After the birth of her youngest brother, Amelia notices a change in her mother. Motherhood is Selma's passion; Francis seems to motivate her to start taking better care of herself. Amelia is thrilled to see her mother so happy, and the letters from her brothers and her father have helped reassure her of their safety.

Amelia, unbeknowst to her mother, has been writing to Abel privately. He tells her Olive is with his child, but she claims it is not his. She won't be marrying him. Ha! Amelia is unsure if her brother is so smitten with Olive that he is having delusions that her child is his. Either way, Amelia knows it would mean a lot to him if she investigated.

In the meantime, robberies and moonshine-selling have been an incredible business. Amelia got herself a new coat and haircut, even gifting Selma a new tichel and dress. It softened the blow of her mother distressing about her "beautiful locs being chopped and discarded," as Selma put it.

Sonny, who's father is helping him avoid the draft, has been a big help to the Borowskis. Mainly by giving Amelia some fantastic job oppurtunities.

Amelia thrives in criminal life. She cannot wait to show Moses, Abel, and Otto the wealth she's acquired for the family when this whole war mess is over.

To her surprise, Sonny has not asked for her hand. Most men would not want to spend most of their time with a woman who wants no romantic involvement, but the two of them are peas in a pod. The lack of romantic drama really helps their business thrive.

[villaincock]

i mean this with nothing but empathy and respect: WOW fuck your dad??? not even why would your mom marry him, but why would HE marry HER if hes so unaccepting to that degree? "i hate this thing that is a major part of your existence and identity and is deeply significant and persecuted against in indescribable ways. lets get married and have kids" ??? LITERALLY why. im so pissed for you and your mother im sorry that just got me heated you shouldnt have to hide IN YOUR OWN HOME/FAMILY

hi anon! thank u for sympathizing with me and sending this message.

my mom has told me before that this side of my dad was basically nonexistant when she married him (they only dated for about 9 months. my mom wanted a baby because she was 34 when she had me so ANY man would have worked. her ex had a vasectomy after the birth of his one and only son, to a woman who was not my mother, so he could not give her a child of her own, and that is partly why she left her ex). she said he was nice as can be, that he was adored by my bubbey (may she rest in peace), that he turned down three other women to be with my mom… he didnt care that she was persian. he didnt care that she was jewish.

im not sure what changed him. maybe hes only with her for my sake. :( i suspect he wanted me to be born a boy (i have two half sisters on my dads side, NEITHER of whom i have a good or meaningful relationship with), AND once i was born, he wasnt in any place to divorce her and give her child support money for 18 years. my dad was very poor when he met my mom. my mom was actually the girlboss breadwinner for a long time :p maybe he thought she’d just be another fling but then she wanted a baby with him.

to my dad, women — especially woc like my mom — are expendable commodities meant to bear white mens children. i love my mom and i love my culture. i do not have any attachment to my caucasian side (although i am absolutely white passing) because my dad does not treat me like a white girl. he treats me like a jew, because i had the NERVE to want to be jewish and learn from my mom when i was a child..

i agree its very backwards and i will NEVER understand his thinking. cant wait for him to perish so i can wear my tichel with pride :’)

[withthesecinderedbones]

do you veil around gay men? nb amabs? trans men?

Helloooo!

So this is in response to a reply I left on someone else's post who's Muslim and two spirit Indigenous.

I feel like there's a few things I should clarify. First that I definitely wasn't sober when I wrote that reply so it wasn't super articulate and second that I'm Jewish not Muslim.

I mostly wear tichels (Jewish head wraps) when I'm at synagogue or other Jewish events, or when we're doing something like lighting Shabbat candles. Sometimes I cover when I go grocery shopping or run errands, especially on erev Shabbat or Shabbat Eve.

Unlike in Islam people who wear tichels traditionally don't start converting at puberty but rather at marriage. It's generally a sign in Jewish communities that someone is married. More and more people have started wearing them before marriage as outward signs of their Judaism though.

I'm a nb femme married to another nb femme. When I do cover my hair it's less about hiding my hair to me and more about marking myself as visibly Jewish and also as sort of removing myself from men. I want to be very clear, covering didn't magically exempt you from the meme gaze. But it does weirdly set you back sometimes even as it opens you to other dangers.

So I guess my covering is less about who's around and more about where I am and letting me focus on myself and my relationship to Judaism.

[aflyabroad]

2/3/2023:

Layers upon layers...

We visited the Temple Mount early Thursday morning. The path to the Dung Gate is fusion of excavation, repair, and construction. On the right, we pause briefly as Rabbi points out the Giv'ati Excavations before we dodge the crews and equipment repairing the streets. Many cranes are visible throughout the skyline, placeholders for the Jerusalem to come.

We pass through security - who declares Boaz "ok" and allows us forward without a minder and - through a covered pathway overlooking the western walls. It is prayer day - the plaza divided about 4/5 - 1/5 - the smaller section the woman's section. A chest high barrier divides the section. Most woman sit in chairs or stand praying. A woman in a bright pink tichel stands at the edge of the barrier looking over to a table in the men's section watching closely a small child of around 4 fidgeting at the table with a group of men. A large Christian tour group passes us as Boaz describes the archaeology the western wall, how what we see is the smallest fraction of what is buried underneath.

We stop in front of the al-Asqa mosque. Originally built in ~700 CE, it was destroyed multiple times by earthquakes - the current form being built in the middle ages. The door is propped open - we can see through to light shining through the windows. A three year old child squeals running inside and out of sight as his father appears to be doing custodian tasks. A cat and large black crow soon join him in dashing in and disappearing from site. We learn, under the sparse shade of olive trees about how a new underground mosque was built in the 1990s - under a permit to build fire exits to the existing mosque. We visit the Temple Mount - stopping near-to the Dome of the Rock before exiting the plaza.

The group splits at this point - I joined the smaller group for a trip going mountain biking in the Judean Hills while many other went to visit the Israel Museum. We start on city bicycle trails initially - stopping briefly for a "bagel" in a muslim neighborhood of Jerusalem. I use quotations because these are closer to the size of a small swimming ring. We pass an elderly man fallen asleep sitting up, his mouth agape in the sun, a cat asleep on the pavement nearby. The parks and hillsides are dotted with flowers. We head off road stopping to view some hillside baths - where many young boys are loitering and splashing and in a separate bath further on, three woman sit on the edge of a small square pool. We then continued through hard rocky trails into the hills - overlooking the green, terraced hillsides of the countryside, arriving at a campsite to meet the bus. A few of us continued a few more minutes to Yad Kennedy and panoramic views of the city before returning to the bus to meet the others and head to Abu Ghosh for an wonderful lunch.

Our evening concluded with an amazing visit with the Yozma congregation in Modim, where we shared conversation on history of their community and in reform Judaism in Israel. We sang together in sephardic tunes - hands clapping and feet stomping. They were optimistic about the potentials for liberal democratic judaism to survive and flourish.

[durangomexico2002]

"Idleness leads to dull-mindedness" or, "It is necessary to live in beauty rather than ugliness"

Everyone in the house has something they are good at.

Gran Abuela makes her Kosher wine by hand, fermenting it under her bed in her warm room. And she has so many Hebrew prayers memorized that we hardly need a Siddur. Abuelo takes care of us all, negotiates for goats and fuel and tools, and got all of us here in the first place. The other men in the family chop wood, hang meat up to dry, accompany the women into town. The women cook with all the love in their hearts. It's not that the men are unwilling to help in this matter, it's just that there's something communal about women preparing food together, so they leave them be.

F is good at busying himself in his projects, he has many. He is learning Spanish guitar in order to play Flamenco songs, because he knows my family love them. Years ago, I said how I would love to visit Morocco. So he is digging clay from a nearby stream and trading for paint in the town to make Moroccan tiles for a path in the garden. I say I love black tea, so he makes a perfume out of the leaves. I say I want chocolate, he finds some. I say I am out of lip rouge, he crushes beetroot, and mixes it with cinnamon and glycerin. I say I love his hands, he touches me often and everywhere.

When it comes to me, I am sort of a drifter. I help Gran Abuela crush her grapes, but she dismisses me after making too much of a mess. I accompany Abuelo into town but never make good trades for essential items. I stand and watch as my Tíos fail to make drying meat sound appealing. Neither can I hold the axe to chop wood. I can't cook or sew like my Tías. I cannot play guitar like F, nor can I cut clay just right. I cannot make things appear out of thin air like everyone else seems to.

My redeeming skill is finding and acquiring the things no one cares for anymore. Turns out, when the world ends, no one cares about their vintage scarves and glass cruets that hold olive oil. Well, at least some of the people i've come across. I don't really understand the mindset of not wanting to be surrounded by beautiful things in times of hardship. What i've noticed, though, is that the people who think like that are travelers from outside of town. I bring in peppers and purslane from the valley, and people will give up their beautiful items just like that, ones that probably meant so much to them at some point.

Here's how it always goes: I arrive into town with my crates of food in the back of the truck. A rough looking man and woman will approach and ask "What for a bag of scorpions? What for some dried goat, or its' milk?". I always peer into their boxes of stuff. I'm not looking for bread or cheese. I'm looking for something that glints. I pull out something I find captivating. The man and woman look bewildered, and sometimes even scoff. "That old thing? Girl, you're young and searching for beauty. Better to find some food or fuel or cloth. Take it. I'd do better without it". The couples quickly slink away with my food, as if I would chase them down and void the trade after coming to my senses.

This is how i've acquired many things for me, the family, and the house. An old woman traded me her Avon catalogue porcelain ring-holder in the shape of a swan for a pound of sugar-seasoned goat jerky. I got an old 1970's white prairie dress with yellowed lace and charming little pink and blue floral motifs for a Bible that F found under the floorboards of the house. The woman almost fainted when I took out the leather-bound book; she folded the dress very nicely and handed it to me with reverence and a kiss. I often get scarves or long pieces of fabric that I can give to Gran Abuela or keep for myself to use as a tichel. Sometimes I find gold jewelry to give to Soledad. Any doll, plush animal, or figurine that I come across, I trade for. There are no children in the house, but one day there might be. There's a few little bears sitting on shelves, the tops of couches and chairs, and on beds. I think they cheer the place up. All this to say, anything you can think up, I probably have.

[dhaaruni]

it is beyond disgusting to see self identified leftists and feminists defend the most regressive and misogynistic shit ever just because it comes from a marginalized community. like women from conservative religious communities are forced into religious dress through violence, abuse, r*pe, threats of ostracism, fear of abandonment, the potential loss of any communication with their family, and financial ruin. the whole “hijabs/tichels are a choice” thing is so gross, like even if your community isn’t as extreme as others, a lifetime of patriarchal indoctrination is absolutely a form of coercion. if we can (correctly) recognize that a women’s decision to wear makeup, dress in a way that is sexually appealing to men, get plastic surgery, remove body hair, diet, ect. does not exist in a vacuum free from patriarchal conditioning, then we should be able to recognize that a muslim woman wearing a hijab, or an orthodox jewish woman shaving her head and wearing a wig and a head covering, cannot be fucking separated from the fact that these women have been told for their entire fucking lives that their bodies are inherently sinful and dirty and tempting to men and that they need to cover up to “honor god”. like my fucking god, even if your community isn’t as extreme as most, and your not going to be r*ped, murdered, beat up, or abandoned for expressing any agency of your own, you’ve still had it drilled into your head from birth that you’re an evil dirty sinful whore if you show any skin or hair, like that’s not a fucking “choice”! it’s not! is a choice really a choice if you’ve been told your entire life that the wrong choice is a sin against the creator of the universe (and in some religions that the wrong choice sends you to hell for all eternity)? jesus fucking christ it’s so hypocritical when feminists (rightly) criticize the liberal feminist “i do it for myself” mentality when it comes to women wearing makeup and shaving and then turn around and are like “religious women choose to cover themselves from head to toe, it’s THEIR CHOICE!!! and if you say that they’re being oppressed by patriarchy you’re a racist white feminist akshuallly sweaty :) :) :)”. anyways all religion apologists can choke, i don’t care what their political affiliation is.

cont. honestly like patriarchy predates the very concept of whiteness!!! it existed in pre colonial times, all over the world. obviously fuck europe forever, but europe did not invent the concept of hating women, sorry. idk leftists acting like the non-europe parts of the world were some progressive gender paradise before white people invaded everything is very strange and plays into a lot of racist “noble savage” stereotypes. also it’s weird to see people on the left claiming to care about woc, but not caring about any the oppression woc experience from their own communities. like i understand that right wingers will point to patriarchy in non white communities to deflect from white patriarchy, and to justify violence against non white people, but i don’t think the answer to this is to act like misogyny outside of whiteness doesn’t exist. men of all races hate women and we need to fight against all of them.

I have nothing to add, and I agree with everything.

Exactly @onceuponawhine

[papirouge]

Why do you there’s this weird hostility and adversity to modesty especially with head coverings? I mainly hear it from dude bros too. But like just wearing a headscarf, veiling, wearing a hijab, a turban, a tichel, a habit, niqab or burka hurts no one. We’re called to be modest by God but why does that bother them so much? Like some get legit angry . It sucks even more when I see other girls join in to the hate too……

Personally, I've seen more women be bothered by the prescription of head coverings than men. They say it's "a thing from the past" but never manage to back up their statement biblically as of why women from the second half of the XXth century stopped wearing head covering. Or they say it was only for the church of Corinth ; ok but following their logic we shouldn't listen to other books written by Paul neither since they were adressed firsthand to specific churches (Rome, Colossian, Galatia...)

From my personnal experience, Catholic women are much more consistent and biblically correct when it comes to physical sanctification ; the women arguing over head covering & modesty are often evangelical/protestant women. Suprisingly, even some tradfem seem to be uncomfortable with the idea of covering their head inside assemblies - which is ironic because head covering is very traditional (peep a picture from European church ladies taken before the 60s and there were almost all covered lol)

Women uncovering their head is a direct influence from feminism and the social emancipation of women (notably from religious norms) so it's very funny to see anti feminist tradfem fight nail and tooth against headcoverings LEL

Christian head covering is different from Muslim (hijab, niqab) though, because we are compelled to wear them inside assemblies (so in collective prayer session, churches, etc...), not anywhere outside home. I am quite neutral about muslims covering their head but yeah, the way some people are legit pissed off by them is weird. If all Muslim women in the West would stop covering their head it wouldn't stop terrorism or so called Islamization of the West - Islamic culture & values is much more than a piece of fabric on a head.