#me: “zionism is not anti-palestinian”
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This isn't directed at OP, I just think it has to be said
You can also be the fascist shoehorning people into dehumanizing categories, I think we need to remind ourselves of that
I'm not going to talk about pedophilia being used as a weapon for queerphobia, people have done that better than me and will continue to do that.
What I want to bring up is the "zios" part here when... Historically that is exactly what has been used to persecute Jewish people, in Russia, Europe, America, West Asia, North Africa, leftist political circles? Like the logic absolutely did go "zionists should be murdered and tortured->jews and jewish expression are zionist->jews in general should be murdered and tortured" not an exaggeration, that ALREADY HAPPENED do you know how many died, fled, were prohibited from fleeing, went missing?
Wikipedia page for the fabricated "The Protocols of the Elder's of Zion"
Wikipedia for the Limerick Pogrom
Kyiv Pogrom
Shiraz Pogrom
1917 Jaffa Deportation
Pogroms during Russian civil war
More Kyiv Pogroms
Pinsk Massacre
Massena Blood Libel
Thrace Pogroms
Constantine Riots
Gabès Riots
Iași Pogroms
Tripolitania Riots
Egyptian Riot
Kielce Pogrom
Aleppo Riots
Oujda & Jerada Riots
Night of the Murdered Poets
Doctor's Plot & Anti-Zionism as antisemitism
Soviet Anti-Zionism(/Zionology)
Soviet Jewish History
Anti-Zionist Committee of the Soviet Public
Here are some of the things happening in the 1900's
you can find a timeline over 20th century antisemitism here
Here is a timeline of antisemitism throughout history
As you can see if you read through all of these events, antisemitism takes many shapes, and often the perpetrators will say "of course I'm not attacking Jews, I am attacking ___ (and willing to kill Jews if they are ___ which I assume they are without real evidence)"
The ___ can be anything
Child killer is a very common ___. Who wouldn't hate someone who killed a child? A poor innocent child, of a majority religion nontheless? If they kill children, surely then we can harass, assault, pillage, lynch and kill dozens or hundreds or thousands of them without trial?
That may seem like a sudden big leap in logic to many people but it keeps happening over and over and over and over again. Throughout history. It still does.
If you want your anti-zionism to NOT be antisemitic, you have to actually do the work and learn about all different kinds of antisemitism, Jewish history, and learn from Jewish people how to be an ally. And I'm not perfect! But I'm speaking out right now because I believe it's better to do something good imperfectly than to do nothing and stay silent
Very concerning to see that kind of talk.
You are not supporting the freedom of the Palestinian people by saying that kind of thing.
Focus on making sure people have food and aid and pressure your government to oppose the Israeli occupation and settlements. Build community without borders. Uphold international law and human rights. Criticize and protest against governments.
Do not start any kind of "jew hunt" or incentivize or participate in pogroms
Do not speak about political enemies as someone to sniff out, round up, and exterminate, no matter how vile you think their actions have been or values are
There is no upside to that kind of talk or action
Do something good by donating to Palestinian Children's Relief Fund instead
me in real life: torture and murder are horrible and you shouldn't do them.
me in fiction: torture and murder are literally the two sexiest and most fun things you could possibly do and you should do them all the time.
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It's honestly sad that it's the second time you're trying to make that post when you know damn well what "Zionism" means to the larger public, who don't know the term "Kahanism." It's bad faith, really. You want to find reasons to make this about you when there's babies dying right now to the hands of a military that see their deaths as a thing to mock and post on Twitter. Antisemitism is real and should not be excused. What Israel is doing is just plain wrong. Don't pretend you don't know that.
have i been . precieved. as jewish
#is that ALL it takes ???#jewish followers plz do tell bc wtf#😭😭😭😭#me: “zionism is not anti-palestinian”#anon: “stop making bad faith arguments”#WHAT
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PLEASE REPOST
MARCH ON WASHINGTON AND CENTRAL LONDON FOR GAZA
1:00PM Saturday January 13th, 2024 @ The National Mall 1600 Constitution Ave. NW, Washington DC
12:00PM Saturday January 13th, 2024 in Central London
Please wear a KN-95 mask, and wear layered nondescript clothing and cover your face/hair! I have seen many people use keffiyehs for this. People will be recording and taking pictures!
Dress for cold weather but know marching warms you up quickly, so dress in layers you can remove and carry without uncovering your face and hair. Ideally you should bring a backpack to carry food, water, first aid, ID, etc. It may be good to bring multiple or removable parts of your outfit if you plan on walking from your residence or car.
Please blur out peoples faces before posting to social media!
Bigotry & hatred will not be tolerated.
Even if you are unable to attend, please reblog and repost the graphics to other social medias to get the word out. You may have a follower or friend who can attend.
If you live outside of DC or Central London: talk to your local organizations! They may be able to organize transportation to this event. For buses to DC, you will likely have to pay a fee, but it is probably going to be cheaper and safer than driving to DC and parking in their $40-$50/hour parking garages. Also look into Amtrak, Greyhound buses, trains, or other means of transportation.
#found out about this from a pamphlet handed out to me at a vigil organized by local Palestinian Americans#free gaza#free palestine#lebanon#west bank#Palestine#Gaza#palestine will be free#from the river to the sea palestine will be free#from the river to the sea#march for palestine#march for gaza#global day of action#ceasefire#ceasefire now#stop the genocide#anti zionism#zionism#genocide#jews for palestine#jews for ceasefire#christians for palestine#march on washington#march on central london#jews for peace#Israel#i/p#i/p conflict#.txt
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Rafah is being bombed. 60+ people have been killed already. “Israel” payed millions to show a propaganda ad to 100 million viewers DURING THIS MASSACRE.
It’s not a coincidence. It’s very intentional. This world is sick and cruel.
#palestine#free palestine#I have to go to school knowing this#I’m sick to my stomach you people disgust me#Israel’s end goal is the complete extermination of Palestinians#their own soldiers have been oh so happy to show us#and yet people STILL deny it#obligatory anti-Zionism isn’t antisemitism
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I'm not a big fan of Waititi's work, but I do believe in accuracy.
Two days before the date of the OP, there was an article about an open letter signed by numerous Hollywood figures thanking Joe Biden after Hamas released several hostages. The letter is printed in full in the article; an excerpt reads "We all want the same thing: Freedom for Israelis and Palestinians to live side by side in peace."
Relief at the release of hostages is not pro-Zionist propaganda. If anti-Zionists consider it so, then to me that says more about anti-Zionism than pro-Zionism.
taika waititi actively endorsing pro-Zionist propaganda in the MIDDLE of us getting new episodes of the gay pirate show is such a fucking bummer
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White European Ashkenazi jews post about how they don't feel safe anymore because someone was mean about Israel on twitter while Gazans can't decide if they should leave their home and get bombed or stay and get bombed while having no internet service to post about it.
#also you will lose your job for hating only one of them#this was gonna be a reply to a post but op blocked me before I could type it out#fuck israel#free palestine#from the river to the sea palestine will be free#anti zionisim#anti zionism is not antisemitism#Palestinians are semetic
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I'm wheezing. Israel is just a small US. No wonder the US spoils it rotten, it's just a chip off the old block! The US gave birth to...itself. 🤣😭🤣
I haven't read them yet but there are two books about this in my Google drive. Yitzhak Laor, José Saramago, The Myths of Liberal Zionism, Verso Books (2017) and Tikva Honig-Parnass, False Prophets of Peace: Liberal Zionism and the Struggle for Palestine, Haymarket Books (2011).
I think it's past time we took Audre Lorde's "the master's tools will never dismantle the master's house" seriously.
#liberal zionism#tell me again Not All Israelis#ALL of them are complicit#anti zionism#anti zionist#fuck israel#war crimes#gaza genocide#palestinian genocide#white supremacy#ethnic cleansing#free palestine#western imperialism#colonization#colonialism#pinkwashing#neoliberalism#nationalism#racism#islamophobia#us imperialism#knee of huss#yoav litvin
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. probably gonna delete this later
#not to rant in the tags or anything but i honestly cannot BELIEVE some of you still follow or reblog vaspider content#they are a Zionist and have spread blatant pro-israel propaganda#theyre a white convert to judaism and they actively support israel whether or not they acknowledge that is their material impact#they have spread conspiracy theory nonsense about ‘Hamas operatives in Gazan hospitals’ and justified war crimes#they also have actively accused just regular Muslims of being antisemitic#theyre the worst kind of crybully ‘leftist’ and they do their crybullying in favour of FUCKING GENOCIDE#like what the FUCK y’all i cannot believe anyone is willingly circulating their posts & additions to other people’s posts#this is someone with an easily observable habit of spreading extremely pernicious and harmful misinformation#someone who has jumped on bandwagons to accuse Palestinians of being scammers#fucking hold your friends accountable because spider is a pro-empire islamophobe who supports genocide in the middle east#idk why americans and westerners in general just give zero shits about Zionism among leftists but uhhhh i’m assuming it’s white supremacy#it can’t be said enough that Zionism is a white supremacist ideology#and a white american who supports zionism is a white supremacist regardless of if they are jewish or queer or poor or claim to be an ally#y’all are so fucking stupid for falling for ‘progressives’ and ‘queers’ and trans people who are literal white supremacists#sorry but it has to be said#so so fucking stupid#pay better attention#also dont get me started on spider being repeatedly transmisogynist it is so fucking bad#just because youre anti radfem and a transmasc does NOT give you a free pass to hate trans women publicly#OBVIOUSLY#being a transmisogynist transmasc is so fucking evil its not even funny#and the whole thing where people hide their transmisogyny and misogyny in general under the guise of ‘supporting transmasculinity’ is gross#i really really cant stress enough how reactionary spider is and the harm that they do on here because of their shitty politics
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Me, looking through books on Palestine: "Ilan Pappé wrote one called 'The Biggest Prison On Earth?!' People in Gaza hate it being called a prison. There's an entire hashtag for it. There's been an account dedicated to collecting pics and videos of #TheGazaYouDontSee for 6 years.
"Is Pappé even Palestinian? oh god wait I can tell already. this is gonna be an 'Israeli apologist' isn't it." Internet: "Yeah, Pappé's Israeli."
Me: "For fuck's--- so people will believe Israelis unquestioningly if they're shit-talking Israel, but in all other situations, Israelis are all liars?"
Internet: "Pretty much. Also, at best, Ilan Pappé must be one of the world’s sloppiest historians."
Me, admittedly in full schadenfreude now: "What?!?!"
Internet: "Benny Morris. That historian who's extremely hard-core about primary source documentation, who wrote that detailed book about how and why each group of Palestinian refugees left in 1947-9. He reviewed three books about Palestine."
Me: "Holy shit. And the book by Pappé is about the Husaynis. The family that Nazi war criminal Amin al-Husseini came from, the guy who fucked absolutely everything up for both Israel and Palestine."
Internet: "That's the one. Morris wrote, 'At best, Ilan Pappe must be one of the world’s sloppiest historians; at worst, one of the most dishonest. In truth, he probably merits a place somewhere between the two.'"
Me: "Why??"
Internet: "He says, 'Here is a clear and typical example—in detail, which is where the devil resides—of Pappe’s handiwork. I take this example from The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine'....
"Blah blah blah, basically in 1947 the UN voted to partition the land into Palestine and Israel, and extremist militias started shooting at Jewish towns and people. David Ben-Gurion was the leader of the Jewish community there, and his journal describes a visit from a scientist named Aharon Katzir, telling him about an experiment codenamed "Shimshon." Morris gives us the journal entry:
...An experiment was conducted on animals. The researchers were clothed in gas masks and suit. The suit costs 20 grush, the mask about 20 grush (all must be bought immediately). The operation [or experiment] went well. No animal died, the [animals] remained dazzled [as when a car’s headlights dazzle an oncoming driver] for 24 hours. There are some 50 kilos [of the gas]. [They] were moved to Tel Aviv. The [production] equipment is being moved here. On the laboratory level, some 20 kilos can be produced per day.
"Morris says, 'This is the only accessible source that exists, to the best of my knowledge, about the meeting and the gas experiment, and it is the sole source cited by Pappe for his description of the meeting and the "Shimshon" project. But this is how Pappe gives the passage in English:
Katzir reported to Ben-Gurion: 'We are experimenting with animals. Our researchers were wearing gas masks and adequate outfit. Good results. The animals did not die (they were just blinded). We can produce 20 kilos a day of this stuff.'
"'The translation is flecked with inaccuracies, but the outrage is in Pappe’s perversion of "dazzled," or sunveru, to "blinded"—in Hebrew "blinded" would be uvru, the verb not used by Ben-Gurion—coupled with the willful omission of the qualifier '"for 24 hours."'
"'Pappe’s version of this text is driven by something other than linguistic and historiographical accuracy. Published in English for the English-speaking world, where animal-lovers are legion and deliberately blinding animals would be regarded as a barbaric act, the passage, as published by Pappe, cannot fail to provoke a strong aversion to Ben-Gurion and to Israel.
"'Such distortions, large and small, characterize almost every page of The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine. So I should add, to make the historical context perfectly clear, that no gas was ever used in the war of 1948 by any of the participants. [Or, he later notes, by either Israel or Palestine ever.] Pappe never tells the reader this.
"'Raising the subject of gas is historical irrelevance. But the paragraph will dangle in the reader’s imagination as a dark possibility, or worse, a dark reality: the Jews, gassed by the Nazis three years before, were about to gas, or were gassing, Arabs.'"
Me: "Uuuuggghhhhhhhhh. Yeah, it will."
Internet: "He does say, 'Palestinian Dynasty was a good idea.' Then he does some really detailed historian-dragging about the lack of primary sources and reliance on people's interpretations of what they say instead.
"'Almost all of Pappe’s references direct the reader to books and articles in English, Hebrew, and Arabic by other scholars, or to the memoirs of various Arab politicians, which are not the most reliable of sources. Occasionally there is a reference to an Arab or Western travelogue or genealogy, or to a diplomat’s memoir; but there is barely an allusion to documents in the relevant British, American, and Zionist/Israeli archives.
"'When referring to the content of American consular reports about Arab riots in the 1920s, for example, Pappe invariably directs the reader to an article in Hebrew by Gideon Biger—“The American Consulate in Jerusalem and the Events of 1920-1921,” in Cathedra, September 1988—and not to the documents themselves, which are easily accessible in the United States National Archive.
"'Those who falsify history routinely take the path of omission. They ignore crucial facts and important pieces of evidence while cherry-picking from the documentation to prove a case.
"'Those who falsify history routinely take the path of omission. They ignore crucial facts and important pieces of evidence while cherry-picking from the documentation to prove a case.
"'But Pappe is more brazen. He, too, often omits and ignores significant evidence, and he, too, alleges that a source tells us the opposite of what it in fact says, but he will also simply and straightforwardly falsify evidence.
"'Consider his handling of the Arab anti-Jewish riots of the 1920s.
"'Pappe writes of the “Nabi Musa” riots in April 1920: “The [British] Palin Commission... reported that the Jewish presence in the country was provoking the Arab population and was the cause of the riots.” He also quotes at length Musa Kazim al-Husayni, the clan’s leading notable at the time, to the effect that “it was not the [Arab] Hebronites who had started the riots but the Jews.”
"'But the (never published) [Palin Commission Report], while forthrightly anti-Zionist, thereby accurately reflecting the prevailing views in the British military government that ruled Palestine until mid-1920, flatly and strikingly charged the Arabs with responsibility for the bloodshed.
"'The team chaired by Major-General P.C. Palin wrote that “it is perfectly clear that with... few exceptions the Jews were the sufferers, and were, moreover, the victims of a peculiarly brutal and cowardly attack, the majority of the casualties being old men, women and children.” The inquiry pointed out that whereas 216 Jews were killed or injured, the British security forces and the Jews, in defending themselves or in retaliatory attacks, caused only twenty-five Arab casualties.'"
Me: "Yeah. I'm looking at that report right now and it says there had been an explosion, and then people were looting Jewish stores and beating Jews with stones, and in one case stabbing someone. Some people said that some Jews got up on the roof of a hotel and retaliated by throwing stones themselves.
"And then it literally says, 'The point as to the retaliation by Jews is of importance because it seems to have impressed the Military and led them to imagine that the Jews were to some extent responsible for provoking the rising.' That's the only thing it really says about anyone blaming the Jews.
"Except.... the very beginning gives some historical context. And it does say that when the Balfour Declaration came out, Muslims and Christians 'considered that they were to be handed over to an oppression which they hated far more than the Turk's and were aghast at the thought of this domination....
"'If this intensity of feeling proceeded merely from wounded pride of race and disappointment in political aspirations, it would be easier to criticise and rebuke: but it must be borne in mind that at the bottom of all is a deepseated fear of the Jew, both as a possible ruler and as an economic competitor. Rightly or wrongly they fear the Jew as a ruler, regarding his race as one of the most intolerant known to history....
"'The prospect of extensive Jewish immigration fills him with a panic fear, which may be exaggerated, but is none the less genuine. He sees the ablest race intellectually in the world, past-masters in all the arts of ousting competitors whether on the market, in the farm or the bureaucratic offices, backed by apparently inexhaustible funds given by their compatriots in all lands and possessed of powerful influence in the councils of the nations, prepared to enter the lists against him in every one of his normal occupations, backed by the one thing wanted to make them irresistible, the physical force of a great Imperial Power, and he feels himself overmastered and defeated before the contest is begun.'
"Wow! What a great fucking example of how 'positive' stereotypes are actually used to fuck people over! We're not antisemitic, we actually think Jews are the smartest, most powerful, richest group with tremendous global power! So positive!! Not at all being used here to justify antisemitic violence!
"Also, immigration from all over the world actually meant that different agricultural and manufacturing techniques were brought into the region, and yes, financial investments to start businesses sometimes, which meant that Arab Palestinians there had the highest per capita income in the Middle East, the highest daily wages, and started a lot of businesses of their own. But go off, I guess."
"Anyfuckingway.... it basically says that the Muslims and Christians were angry and scared, the Jews were too quick to set up the functioning government that the Brits were supposed to be there to help both sides create -- and which the Arab leaders completely refused to create for Palestine, because (1) fascists and (2) didn't want Jews nearby -- and that they were "ready prey for any form of agitation hostile to the British Government and the Jews." Then it says the movement for a United Syria was agitating them real hard, and so were the Sherifians.
"Is that what Ilan Passe, I mean Pappe, meant by the Palin Report blaming the Jews?! That when it says it's understandable the Arabs were freaking out, because antisemitism, Pappe thinks it's saying the Jews were provoking them?!"
Internet: "I don't know. I kinda tuned out after the first hour you were talking."
Me: "OGH MY GOD"
Internet: "So anyway, then Morris ALSO says, 'About the 1929 “Temple Mount” riots, which included two large-scale massacres of Jews, in Hebron and in Safed, Pappe writes: “The opposite camp, Zionist and British, was no less ruthless [than the Arabs]. In Jaffa a Jewish mob murdered seven Palestinians.”
Me: "What the ENTIRE FUCK? There was no united 'Zionist and British' camp! The Brits would barely let any Holocaust refugees in, ffs!"
Internet: "Morris says, 'Actually, there were no massacres of Arabs by Jews, though a number of Arabs were killed when Jews defended themselves or retaliated after Arab violence.
"'Pappe adds that the British “Shaw Commission,” so-called because it was chaired by Sir Walter Shaw (a former chief justice of the Straits Settlements), which investigated the riots, “upheld the basic Arab claim that Jewish provocations had caused the violent outbreak. ‘The principal cause... was twelve years of pro-Zionist [British] policy.’”
"'It is unclear what Pappe is quoting from. I did not find this sentence in the commission’s report. Pappe’s bibliography refers, under “Primary Sources,” simply to “The Shaw Commission.” The report? The deliberations? Memoranda by or about? Who can tell?
"'The footnote attached to the quote, presumably to give its source, says, simply, “Ibid.”
"'The one before it says, “Ibid., p. 103.”
"'The one before that says, “The Shaw Commission, session 46, p. 92.”
"'But the quoted passage does not appear on page 103 of the report.
"In the text of Palestinian Dynasty, Pappe states that “Shaw wrote [this] after leaving the country [Palestine].” But if it is not in the report, where did Shaw “write” it?'"
Me: "I'M ON IT. [rapid-fire googling] OMG. This is.... Not the first time. In 'The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine,' he reported that in a 1937 letter to his son, David Ben-Gurion declared: 'The Arabs will have to go, but one needs an opportune moment for making it happen, such as war.'
"It's not in the source he gave. It's not in any of the three different sources he's given for it.
"He apparently has never responded to any requests for an explanation, either from the journal he published in, or from other historians. But it says he did "obliquely [acknowledge] the controversy in an article in Electronic Intifada, in which he portrayed himself as the victim of intimidation at the hands of “Zionist hooligans.”'
"This is absolutely fucking wild. THEN it says the chair of the Ethics Committee where he was teaching eventually said that the second part of the quote ('but one needs,' etc) was a (combined?) paraphrase of a diary entry and a speech Ben-Gurion gave, and that the first half is 'based on' a letter to his son.
"And it's so convincing! The chair says, 'Shabtai Teveth[,] Ben Gurion’s biographer, Benny Morris and the historian Nur Maslaha have all quoted this letter. In fact their translation was stronger than the quotation from Professor Pappé: ‘We must expel the Arabs and take their place.’ Professor Pappé has documentary evidence of these quotations and the source will ensure that this is correctly cited in any future editions of the publication or related studies.'
"And IT'S NOT EVEN TRUE?!
"Ben-Gurion's actual diary entry (not a letter) says the opposite.
“'We do not want and do not need to expel Arabs and take their places.... All our aspiration is built on the assumption – proven throughout all our activity – that there is enough room in the country for ourselves and the Arabs.'
"Benny Morris misquoted it as "We must expel the Arabs and take their places" in the English version of his 1987 book The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, although it was correct in the Hebrew version. He corrected himself in the 2001 book Righteous Victims.
"Teveth also misquoted it in the English version of his 1985 book Ben-Gurion and the Palestinian Arabs, but again, had it correct in the Hebrew edition.
"And both Morris and Teveth explicitly point out the rest of the entry. The part about all their aspiration being built on the assumption and experience that there was enough room in the country for everyone.
"Historian Efraim Karsh’s 1997 book Fabricating Israeli History pointed out and corrected their mistakes.
"This is apparently a very well-known issue among historians of Israel and Palestine. It was a big deal in 2003, when an evangelist Christian publisher put out a book FULL of disinformation, which not only used the same quote as Pappe does, but also could not give a real source for it.
"But Pappe STILL USED THE MISQUOTE AND DOUBLED DOWN ON IT EVERY SINGLE TIME."
Internet: "Are you done? I know all this already."
Me: "Also, there are literally only two places where the phrase 'twelve years of pro-Zionist policy' shows up online, and they're both about Pappe making quotes up.
"NOW I'm done."
Benny Morris wasn't, though. The review continues at the link below. And the next part starts, "To the deliberate slanting of history Pappe adds a profound ignorance of basic facts. Together these sins and deficiencies render his “histories” worthless as representations of the past, though they are important as documents in the current political and historiographic disputations about the Arab-Israeli conflict. Pappe’s grasp of the facts of World War I, for example, is weak in the extreme."
#i hate people misrepresenting history in general#i extra hate it when people do it with malice aforethought#ilan pappe#is a lying liar and people need to stop recommending his bullshit when it's been so thoroughly debunked#this is a good example of anti-Zionism being antisemitism tbh. I have yet to see anti-Zionist accounts of history that are accurate#like if you have to victim-blame people who were baked in ovens during an anti-Jewish riot you are PROBABLY in the wrong#I was looking for a piece explaining the 1920 and 1929 anti-Jewish riots that I could link here that wasn't from an explicitly Jewish sourc#because I don't trust people to take an article from the Jewish Virtual Library or whatever without being like “this is Zionist propaganda!#even if it's about an extremely violent massacre of Jews#so I clicked specifically on the Encyclopedia of the Palestine Question and similar sources#and what all of them did was gloss right over the massacres and violence and just vaguely mention “the demonstrations in 1920”#or not mention them at all of course#I guess that makes sense but wow. now I understand more of how ignorant people are about the entire history here#not only has it all been presented to you as “this started in 1947 or 48! the Jews stole all the land! it's been genocide ever since!”#so that people literally tell me “they invaded in 1947 and kicked out the Palestinians and took their land”#but also you have to fill in anything before that yourself#and the only propaganda you have access to usually is this myth that everyone was perfectly happy together until Israel... killed everyone?#it's really super weird to see people say that Jews and Muslims and Christians all lived happily together before this#like what do you think happened? everyone was happy and suddenly the jews were like “fuck you we're taking over and killing everyone?”#that probably is what people think happened tbh#they don't need for there to be any motivation or for that to make sense because they've bought the idea that it's just pure evil ig#for some reason people have to reverse-engineer hamas's massacre and imagine that israel did even worse to justify it#a terrorist group doesn't come out of nowhere! i don't think you know what terrorism is tbh#but they're happy to assume that whatever they think israel did came out of nowhere#god i'm fucking tired#anyway fuck ilan pappe#there are WAY BETTER HISTORIES OF PALESTINE#i've heard good things about Gaza: A History but of course that's not all of palestine#long post#such a long post
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I just want to say I find it kind of icky that people are centring Americaness when talking about Palestine.
I get what people are saying with the Super Bowl distracting the American public from what’s happening, but that should be its own post you know?
It just annoys me to see a post describing the horrors now happening Rafah including an American football game. It’s fine to say in its own post “Hey don’t let this take your focus away”. But for almost every post I see to say “blah blah Super Bowl… anyways children dying!”. Like???
Also, an obvious thing, but not everyone on here is American or has ever watched/ wanted to watch it. I want to reblog posts with info about Palestine but it includes all this irrelevant info about America/ American politics.
#like maybe I’m wrong do correct me but it just rubs me the wrong way#american centrism#Palestine#Palestinian#free palestine#anti zionist#anti Zionism#Israel#super bowl#American#usa#us american#America
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wrote and then deleted this post like 3 different times bc I can't put my thoughts about this into words as clearly as I'd like but it makes me so angry how zionists have largely "monopolized" judaism bc the narrative that all jewish people are zionists benefits them. I wish more people understood that they don't even care about jewish people on the whole. they're perfectly happy to erase the many jewish people who are and have been vocally anti-zionist. on zionist terms you can only be jewish if you agree with everything israel does, otherwise you don't exist. they're not interested in jewish people as people at all, they're interested in using them as tools to justify a nation-state's violence. and yet people still buy into the idea that israel is there for all jews. drives me up the wall
#the vast majority of jewish people in my family fall somewhere on a scale from critical of zionism to fully anti-zionist#but israel doesn't want to acknowledge that families like mine exist because it's an inconvenience to their narrative to recognize#that jewish people are in fact people capable of critical thinking#anyway. I know I've basically made this post before but it gets to me once in a while#I see so many zionists shamelessly use all jewish people as a justification for the genocide of palestinians#drives me crazy how israel has managed to make that a normal thing to do. most of the jewish people I know are revolted by this rhetoric
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As much I adore Noah, I wish he wasn’t careless about posting Israel. And much more disappointed how Stranger Things fans have addressed the issue. Y’all talked about homophobia and racism you see in the show but it’s “let’s stop cancel culture and mind our business” when there’s real people affected in this conflict? This isn’t just “oh he’s on a vacation and just posting pictures I don’t why you guys are offended” when it’s much more than that. There’s a reason why musicians have boycotted Israel.
I’m not ultimately crucifying Noah for what he has done nor thinks he has done something unforgivable and I should “cancel” him for it. He’s 18 and has a lot to learn and it wasn’t entirely his fault he grew up the way he grew up (white overprivileged bubble). This is clearly a touchy subject for everyone. I just hoped everyone didn’t act as if people who has criticized him was trying to “cancel” him, especially when he knows about the issue more than you give him credit for.
#byler#noah schnapp#anti zionism#see my posts and you can see me defending him from homophobia and relentless insults from edgy millie fans#much more disappointed with how st community handled it#brushed it off as if it’s a pointless discourse#and he’s starred in a movie about a half-palestinian half-israeli family#he knows this geopolitical issue#he just doesn’t care lol#sometimes i see how white yall are
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this has zero fucking chance of being seen by anyone that matters. I'd bet my arm.
I need the anti-zionists to understand that, like most movements, zionism has different levels of extremity. and that by definition, most people are not extreme (that's literally what that word means).
you can call for an end to violent zionism- I'd recommend it in fact, personally (since violence, hot take here, is bad). but the idea of jewish self-determination in their cultural homeland, which is what the umbrella "zionism" is, seems like a good idea!
it's absolutely fucking possible for this to be done peacefully. I hope it does. condemn violent and hateful zionism (e.g. kahanism), not its whole umbrella.
#PLEASE let me know if I've got something wrong!#I did my best to represent things accurately#but I really want relevant corrections#zionism#anti zionisim#israel#palestine#both jews and palestinians have meaningful ties to the land that's currently being fought over by the way#both can and should live there#I don't know how exactly#but I really hope it can be done#gods willing
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Lowkey funny to be called toxic piss and a braindead sjw pos and when I check they're supposed to be an rp blog thats overrun by them just reblogging posts abt palestine telling ppl to stfu like. Don't you have some muses to develop or something
#text#this is why i dont make posts abt serious topics how the fuck did they find me it wasnt tagged w anything but my comments#hilarious tho bc it was less than an hr after posting they just Appeared.#less hilarious was actually checking the blog. i dont wanna throw the word zionism around but its looking very anti-palestinian#it frustrates me bc i dont get how ppl think like this but they just wanted to insult me which i dont care abt so. whatever#also toxic piss? thats so funny im sorry u gotta work on the insults#anyways free palestine
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I have what’s going to be a really unpopular take but please just hear me out. Lately a lot of fellow Jewish bloggers on this website have (rightfully!!) been getting annoyed by random people going into their inboxes and asking if they’re Zionist, how they feel about Israel, etc. And I totally empathize with that because I’m an anti-Zionist Jew so I spend a lot of time correcting people’s assumptions that I must support Israel because I’m Jewish. Furthermore, I want Zionism to stop being seen as a central, undeniable part of being Jewish because that makes Jews like me feel pretty unwelcome. And I am aware that those asks often accuse us of dual loyalty, an antisemitic stereotype. So I’m not saying bloggers should have to answer those asks, or that they can’t get mad about them.
However, I think bloggers are wrong when they say that they can’t affect or change what happens in Israel because they’re American Jews (or otherwise diasporic, but it is almost always Americans who say this), not Israeli Jews.
Look. It’s one thing if you just don’t want to get involved (although I am totally judging you). But I can name a billion different ways American Jews have changed things in Israel, and stuff we can do right now! For example:
- protesting our tax dollars paying for weapons and bombs Israel uses to kill Palestinians, by pressuring our elected representatives, senators, and president into taking a stand against Israel
- supporting the Not on Our Dime Act, which is aiming to prohibit tax-deductible donations from being used to fund illegal Israeli settlements in the West Bank
- working to change Jewish studies curriculum and summer camp + youth group programming to provide kids and students with more options than just Zionism, and a more complete + less biased education about Israel
- no tech for apartheid: Jewish Google workers protesting against Project Nimbus, which helps the Israeli government with surveillance of Palestinians
- using our position to educate people and make our opinions heard, so we don’t let Jewish Zionist organizations speak for us all and influence what gentiles think about Israel and current-day antisemitism
- I have my own opinions about the recent protests over Netanyahu’s judicial reform, but lots of American Jews supported them and they were definitely effective
- and that’s just a few of the many ways I’ve seen American Jews work towards creating real change in Israel. are we the only ones who can do this? no. but gentiles can’t shape the future of the American Jewish community, which altogether has quite a lot of influence in Israel. only we can do those things.
Saying that as American Jews our voices and actions don’t matter when it comes to Israel is actually such a weak, lame-ass excuse for refusing to take a stance for or against Israel. This isn’t something we get to be neutral about; silence equals support for Zionism.
That being said, I can’t control what individual people do. If you seriously want to refuse to support Palestine, fine. Whatever. Just please stop using “American Jews can’t help anyways!” as your excuse when that’s such a blatantly false claim.
#mercy.txt#anti zionist#jumblr#palestine#imo you can’t be Zionist and genuinely support Palestinians btw#so-called liberal Zionists do not get a free pass <3#also: this post is not about me or my belief that Zionism is morally reprehensible#however I do think that and I’m not going to hide or apologize for it. and yeah I do really judge people who are Zionist!#I am sick and tired of toning down my beliefs and ignoring my values for the sake of a peaceful community irl#and I know what happens when I’m vocally anti-Zionist & I’ve been treated awfully in the past.#so forgive me if I’m not super understanding or accepting of Zionist Jews.#I get it that the indoctrination was rly strong and people get pretty attached to Israel#but after all the stuff I’ve experienced and witnessed I’m honestly out of empathy! we should know better & I’m disappointed that we don’t.#I just don’t see how anyone can still support Israel while knowing what they do to Palestinians#and I have other issues with Zionism too but those are too complicated for tags
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