#maybe a mgs2 snake too

[cheeriochat]

Hi im alive

Got metal gear shirt today

I took the photo at the shopping centre IGNORE HOW WEIRD THE IMAGE LOOKS

[skyburger]

considering theyre not even blood related (much less twins), dio and jonathan do a fantastic job at being like a evil twin vs. good twin kinda story. theyre like dante & vergil or liquid snake & solid snake to me. i want to put dio and vergil and eli in a room just to see what happens

[kylorens]

okay but thomas dekker in that first episode of tscc actually looks perfect for the young dave image i have in my mind. like

But only in these angles. From front I feel like his face is a lil wider (for my image of him) so this is the most he can turn his head to front before it gets wider

And after the time travel he gets the most 2007 myspace haircut but under that he still has the look.

thanks for listening to my ted talk

[cher-rium]

Liquid fashioning Snake’s sneaking suit with his own flare.

I really enjoy Liquid as a character. I haven’t played all the games in the franchise quite yet but I’ve finished MGS1.

Here are some headcanons for if Liquid lived through Foxdie or wasn’t targeted by it in the first place:

-He honestly really reminds me of Dio Brando (another fictional fave of mine) so I think he’d have a similar relationship as Dio did with Jonathan. A burning hatred accompanied some level of respect. Maybe Liquid, after being defeated by Snake, would have some respect for him but still bicker and have a corny little rivalry. 

-Honestly, I think he’d share a lot of personality traits with Dio! Just very… not intimidating.

-Since we’re still on the topic of JOJO, I imagined him having hair closer to REO Speedwagon? Like in my head I was like “yeah Liquid has slightly wavy/curly hair” and then I looked up reference images for this drawing and i sharted a little. His hair is so FLAT. I think there should be an appropriate middle-ground where his hair is still straight but has waaayyy more volume similarly to his little PS1 model.

-Liquid seems like the type to hold grudges so I don’t think there’s going to be much forgiving besides tolerance.

-It’d be really comical if Liquid accompanied Snake and Otacon and they’re just dragging around this man-child who keeps complaining and bragging. 

-I intentionally avoided giving Liquid any of the gear that Snake has on his suit. I think Liquid would purposely try to out-do Snake at every turn, thus going into missions naked so he can brag when things go well. 

-However when things don’t go well, I think he’d be like the average Overwatch player and just blame his teammates or bad luck. I feel like he’s the kind of guy to make REALLY shitty decisions in fights just for the sake of looking/feeling cool and then getting his ass beat. 

-And then after a whooping he comes back down to earth and actually does something useful 💀 (or Snake saves him)

-I know the sneaking suit has the shirt for a reason but, bro had his tits out on shadow moses, he can withstand the cold.

-I gave him grey hairs and a few more wrinkles than he initially appeared with to account for his aging.

-I can kindaaaa see him applying black eyeliner to his waterline. I also added really long eyelashes since I think he’d slay mascara too !

-I don’t think he and Otacon would get along at all initially. My thought is that Otacon tries to introduce him to anime or Japanese media as a whole to try to find something they can both enjoy. Personally, I really see Otacon being into your typical high school or magical girl anime and Liquid would be super-turned off from it. So instead they’d watch like Cowboy Bebop, Yu Yu Hakusho, Berserk, Ghost in the Shell, AKIRA, etc. Stuff that might be appealing to some random guy.

-It’s kinda hard to speak on anything relating to Snake cuzzzz uhhhh y’know I haven’t actually played most of the games– I’m particularly referring to the one where Liquid is a kid! (WHICH im really tempted to play rn in the middle of MGS2 since I REALLY wanna see Lil Liquid). That would give a lot more context ‘cuz I’m currently learning about everything relating to the other games via fanart and discussion posts here on Tumblr 💀

-Idk maybe they can bond on shared trauma man i got no clue

-Raiden? Uh? Okay say he’s [Liquid] involved in MGS2 (or at least the start of it since I haven’t gotten very far in): I feel like Raiden would be really annoyed by Liquid. Just a crazy dumbass making things more stressful than they already are. 

-I didn’t really draw it here but I think Liquid would have downturned eyes while Snake would have upturned eyes. Idk like if I could show the facial structure in my head, Liquid��s sitting face would be really miserable looking. Snake’s would be resting furrowed and seem more intimidating.

-Don’t know much about Solidus and Liquid (for some reason the only interactions I see between them in fanart is either them being shipped together or Liquid about to violently assault the old fuck) but do you know that image of Spiderman getting dunked on by Venom??? Ok so I think that’s them 😭 As soon as Liquid knows there’s an even better clone out there he’d just have a fuckin’ temper tantrum like Muscle Man from Regular Show and make it his mission to dunk on that old man.

-I think Liquid would CONSTANTLY smell like fuckin’ sweat despite literally being shirtless 24/7

-If Liquid were in the modern day he’d smell like 72 gallons of axe body spray

-On nice occasions he would smell like 72 gallons of cologne 

-He’d be a gym bro for sure

-Carrying around protein shakes, talking about gains, and crying about how his stocks are plummeting 

-His hair is definitely a little greasy

-I honestly think he’d have trouble growing facial hair in comparison to the other clones

-I feel like he’s the kinda guy to sit in a corner of a dark room and stare at Otacon to scare the ever-loving shit out of him. 

-Also seems like the kind of guy to have trouble sleeping at night so he just roams like a FNAF animatronic. 

-Seems like the kind of guy to ask Otacon what he’s doing out of boredom and then immediately regret it and space out.

-Ok so I had a thought. I think instead of smoking like Snake and Big Boss do, I think Liquid would drink.

-Y’know the room you find Otacon in MGS1? Where you fight funny ninja robo man? Ok so I think Liquid specifically asked for Otacon to be put into there so that everytime he switches to the security cameras in that room he just laughs at his goofy ass.

-Seems like the type of guy to ask “can i put on your glasses?” and then proceed to act like he just got shot by a firing squad from how blind you are (he does this to Otacon for sure)

-I’d think that Liquid’s ego is so inflated that he’d lack bitchess due to the “I’m too good for them” mentality 

-Upon seeing Ocelot I’d like to think that Liquid would bitch-slap him.

-Seems like the kind of fella to enjoy a meal consisting of dinosaur chicken nuggets, crinkle-cut fries, and mac n’ cheese.

Alright that’s enough headcanons goo-bye.

[armed-saphire]

if you had been writing the women in metal gear what would you change with them (a lot i know) because i feel like just the idea of women being written well in metal gear will benefit us all

I'm answering but just so we all know my qualifications here are just that I'm a woman I am not a writer or game designer or whatever also as it goes on I get more pissed off so it gets a little messy structure wise hope that's ok anyways here's what I wrote:

Um ok, so it would take sooo long to write a full structured analysis so I'll give little things for each character. Uhh mgs1 make Meryl less of just a flat love interest stand-in because the rest of her backstory in that game feels like it’s shoehorned in to make it seem like she has actual character when she's just meant as the glorified damsel in distress (not to say she can't need help but a lot of it felt like a bunch of "leave me Snake, I can't help you I'm just a GIRL!!"). Also, this is just my personal HC but it would add so much to her if she was transgender but it's not like NEEDED- anyway also Naomi was meant to be brown idk what happened but I would return her melanin to her I think. Mei Ling is mostly fine character-wise but I would remove all of Snake's weird advances and comments about her. I would actually remove that from all of his interactions with women in that game I think. OH and Sniper Wolf should put the thangs away I'm thinking like a fur coat and also I want her whole character to be more than just a sexy lady with a tragic past. her speaking in a seductive voice 80% of the time and just being honestly creepy was stupid. I think she could just be a person maybe. that would be cool I think. She could've been just tough and standoffish and then revealed her true feelings as she was dying instead of all the weird seductive stuff

Ok now Mgs2, Fortune is pretty much fine but I wish she didn’t have her booty cheeks out on the seemingly cold big shell bc Raiden was shivering and sneezing like a little wet dog when he lost his suit so I'd assume she’s cold too. if she was wearing some cool pants or something that would be neat but other than that I think she's pretty well written. next Emma ummm her personality itself isn't the issue to me but I didn’t like how Raiden was kind of creepy towards her (not really but like. “You should wear contacts” I'll punch him maybe). Also, she should've had a cooler outfit but that's it. Honestly, I’d have to rewatch or replay Mgs2 to get a good grasp of her character but I see no crazy issues. Rosemary omg I think she’s fine but I hated how it kind of felt like it was Raiden and Campbell vs Rose and she always loses even in non-canon codecs it was so annoying. Other than that once again I will have to listen to the codecs again because I haven't heard all of them in a while. Actually, I just remembered I didn't like how she was kind of written to be oddly insecure?? Ig?? I mean she spent a lot of time in codecs talking about personal stuff and not the mission which I guess was intentional but I found it odd. Olga’s fine no notes. Don’t think there's anyone else. (skipping mgs3 bc it only has 3 women and I think they’re all written ok I don't have many issues.) Ok, mgs4 for the B&B unit I will refer you to this post because I’ve already talked about it. other than that Meryl was actually really good until the final part on outer haven that was so bad “I can't protect anyone” or whatever she said girl fuck off the only reason she said that was so that big strong man Johnny Sasaki could come to save her omg fuck you also Johnny Sasaki should die that's crucial to this anyway, Mei Ling was fine but I’d remove the codec call where Otacon and Snake say that Mei Ling probably just slept with older men to get to her job position I just think I wouldn't have that in the game probably. Naomi ok so I haven't finished mgs1 so I can't tell you exactly if what she does in Mgs4 is fucked up compared to how she is in mgs1 I mean personality wise but also I was eating a really gross ass sandwich when I watched one of her long cutscenes and it skewed my perception of her a bit oh also I would personally like to button her shirt up for her. uh idk Rose once again was fine but also I’m killing everyone for the mistranslation from the JP version of mgs4 that in English made her seem like some evil liar idk anyway you look that up if you really wanna know it’s on Twitter. uh who else does Sunny count doesn't matter she's fine no issues. 

GZ you already know what I'm going to say also TPP so I'm skipping it also I'm not wasting my time getting triggered for no reason so like read my mind or something

Because I skipped 3 games I’ll do MGR Courtney her character itself was fine I didn't like the codecs where 1 Raiden jokes that she should get lipo and 2 the call that's just Raiden and Kevin talking about how much they don't wanna date her also her design is so like beauty standards boring as shit at least make her look cool or something idk. and Mistral I’m so tired of femme fatale characters in Metal Gear it’s not cute it’s not like empowering the way it’s done her entire character is sexualized and it is JUST because she's a woman. I said this about Wolf too it’s hard to feel bad for a character’s sad war backstory when it is also very clear they’re just meant to be a sexual object with no substance it’s not cute either it's just stupid. Also, there’s other stupid sexist codecs about her too obviously lastly uh Sunny’s also in it she's fine whatever

also i just noticed i skipped peace walker but like whatever its fine lol

[ashenberry]

haii i come bringing an ask in the middle of school! if you dont mind asks regarding mgrec, are you cool w spilling a couple of deets... here's ur challenge. pick one tl u rlly like to say stuff abt if u wanna... like maybe even wheel spin it for fun for one to say about. it'd be fun to hear abtt :3c

anywho have a good day hehe :3ccc

OHH i love twin snakes [mgs2 alternate take]

Ive mentioned it before but real quickly the main gist of it is the 'terrorist leader solid snake' is. actually solid snake & not solidus (and also liquid is there because i like him. he and liquid have the worlds funnest dynamic and it only exist in hayter and clarke's christmas specials) and what this basically does is put dead cell in the roll of protagonists AND i dont know how or why but it like. just has the pieces fall into place real nicely real easily for me. Kind of puts solidus in the position old snake is in 4 and using the power suit to try and keep up. Fortune is the leader of deadcell in original mgs2 so we kind of see a passing of baton in ts. deadcell is just super fun in this in general imagine for a second if you will fatman on the protagonist side its SUPER fun

mm lets see lets see. the twins i think at first put on an intimidating front but then when sunny's with them and its just the two of them its full on two siblings beating the shit out of eachother energy yknow how it is. I havent thought tooo much about every single timeline difference that would have gotten us here bc honestly its not too important i dont think all thats important is for whatever reason snake is more bb pilled unfortunately but i will say that the glasses liquid have here is kaz's :]

[linashirou]

📝❤️💞 for the canon ask (three bcs yes >:3)

📝: How would your story in canon go? How would you influence the events of the original story?

This is so hard for me to answer because I have too much respect for the original lore, so my mind cannot place Lina in MGS because of Wolf.

In Mgs2, I could see her getting involved with Hal. I even think she could have a son with him, because I think the hostage rescue could be more touching if Snake could say something like "Remember, someone's waiting for you at home", but then Mgs4… And Naomi; This meant (in my mind) Hal and Lina should separate.

So that's all the reason behind why TEC happens after Mgs4.

So I have to admit that I didn't imagine Lina in the canon at all. I only imagine her with Hal when he was a teenager (and she breaks up with him when he goes to Shadow Moses and meets Wolf) and with the older Hal after Mgs4.

❤️: How popular is you x your f/o? Are you a rarepair?

I have a feeling that it could be just the way it is now. Few people enjoy seeing them as a couple. Because we all like the Hal/Dave relationship. But I want to believe that someone might like them.

💞: Aside from with your f/o, who else would you commonly be shipped with? Why?

I don't know if some people could ship Lina with Dave or see polyamory between the three of them. But to me it could be somehow logical (even if I only ship Lina with Hal).

I have gotten a lot of positive comments about the fact that I have never put Snake to the side in my fic, and they like the fact that he is still there. But I would really like to hear a reader's opinion. Maybe they could put Lina on a ship I never imagined ❤️

Thank you so much for asking T_T

(as always, a beautiful sketch made by @Venomwalter_art)

[prismatoxic]

anyway, fun story:

so @captainfkingmagic got into mgs sometime in 2008. we've been together for like 8 or 9 years now and he's mentioned it a lot (and made me watch metal gear awesome a whole bunch) but you'd be surprised how much media you have to share with each other when you get into a committed relationship. there's still a decent handful of things we haven't gotten around to

so, anyway, this year (like 4 months ago?) he got a hankering to play mgs1 again. he has the ps3 collection, and that seemed the best way to play, and he got somewhere after the ocelot fight when our ps3 (which had been having issues previously but we had repaired) started overheating again. to the point of shutting off. now, this ps3 was my ps3, and his ps3 had already bitten the dust some years prior for similar reasons (exacerbated by it being a launch version with bad soldering). so you can imagine how frustrating this was.

well, we had enough money at the time for him to just go ahead and get us a slim ps3. which took like a week to arrive, and, you know, by then i think he could be forgiven for not having the energy to go through mgs1 again up to the ocelot fight. i don't remember when he decided to try anyway; if it wasn't the night the ps3 arrived then it wasn't too long after.

so he finally gets to show me mgs1. all of mgs1. sans the meryl ending, bc fuck that, he went otacon. i mean, i had to see it, right?

needless to say, i was pretty hooked. i liked it a lot but, admittedly, wasn't super jazzed about mgs2 conceptually bc i knew raiden took over. he said he'd wait a few days to start it, then started it like. 1 day later. gamers amirite

anyway, mgs2 was great. hooked me also. but then i wasn't super jazzed about mgs3, bc it wouldn't be about snake and otacon.

anyway, mgs3 was great. hooked me also. but then i wasn't super jazzed about mgs4, because otacon cheats on snake and also snake gets old and dies.

anyway, mgs4 was... fine. like, it wraps up the solid snake arc pretty well, but it's also fucking batshit and there were several plot points and characters who i just found grating. (naomi. i found naomi grating)

so we finish mgs4 and like, okay, that's the solid snake story. fuck rising, and mgs5 is its own whole beast. so i finally said: hey. you wanna rp otasune?

and of course he did, he's been into otasune for like 15 years but never really got into the fandom aspects of it back then. so here's where things get amusing...

see, i've had trouble getting him to agree to fandom rps in the past, or if he does, had trouble getting him to stick with them. he's too oc-brained. which is fine, but after 4 games i was obsessed and i really doubted i'd find anyone better, more interesting, or more willing to put up with my bullshit. so i was like, okay, let's ease into this. we can do a silly little high school au so the pressures of the canon setting aren't present. and, of course, i'd let him play otacon.

...now you may be looking at my icon. and all my otacon posts. and wondering what that was about. well, see, he likes snake and otacon both, and hadn't expressed to me at any point just how much snake was his favorite (or if he had i had glossed over it). so because otacon was my favorite, i think i just assumed otacon would be his favorite, and even though he knew that wasn't true, he agreed anyway. (maybe i sounded like i really wanted to play snake? in truth i was trying to excite myself about it; i wanted otacon, but if i couldn't have otacon, i wanted to want to play snake).

he did say maybe we could switch it up sometime. i thought maybe he just didn't know who he really liked best, but i was happy to agree.

the first rp was fine, but fizzled out fairly quickly, which made me anxious. despite all my careful approaching, it seemed like we wouldn't be able to stick with it. maybe it was for the best; i found snake hard to capture. i wrote a fic in the high school setting to try and satiate myself.

well, eventually he brought up that he'd like to do something in canon instead. he'd been concerned with living up to canon settings in the past, but mgs was so zany that he figured he could handle it. so we picked after the tanker to set a rp. he asked if maybe he could play snake this time.

i found otacon way easier to write, though i was still feeling out what i wanted to do with him. within days we had a new idea. and then another... and another...

and we're still doing otasune rps. the first one started july 12th. at some point he finally said, hey, i never wanted to play otacon, he's not my favorite. and i was like. oh. well i feel silly now. but i have embraced otacon as my little blorbo now that i know i don't have to compete for him, lmao... love is all about sacrifices! it's also about being a fucking idiot sometimes

[lakemojave]

another metal gear enjoyer I wanna ask since I'm fairly certain of it myself but ocelot actually was possessed by liquid at the beginning of mgs2 right I know they did away with it by 4 but I gotta feel right since my brain refuses to let it go. that and i mean come on the child of the best before the best an a russian psychic WOULD end up possessed by his older daddy love interests son.

There is a lot of evidence to suggest Liquid really did possess Ocelot in 2, especially since Liquid only manifests when Ocelot is around Snake. The possession in 2 might've been rationalized by the addition of the Sorrow in 3: Kojima being like "hm. Maybe that was a little too weird. What if he had psychic genes or something."

I like to think Ocelot did have some control over it in 2; when he rides away in Ray the first time he switches personalities back seamlessly once he's in the cockpit. My personal theory is he had this real possession in 2, which he chose to remove. Then he acted as though he was still possessed in 4 cause he realized acting like Liquid Snake was a really good way to through off the Patriots.

Truly the Hamlet of Metal Gear Solid

[caccry]

thinking more abt the star wars au and i'm starting to think snake would wear mandalorian armor instead of clone armor bc i don't think he'd serve in the clone force (him and liquid were brought up similar to boba fett i think).......... but at the same time, maybe in mgs2 when undercover as Pliskin he would wear clone armor?? there's too much timeline stuff to pay attention to with this and i think i'm thinking too much about it i wanna lay down

[sundays-mutt]

metal gear solid two is unironically one of the greatest video games ever made and to me, maybe thee greatest ever. the metal gear solid series is one of the greatest ever, truly bar none even now but i can admit that is personal nostalgia. but nothing can overstate just how unbelievably impactful sons of liberty was. like no game has ever, ever come close.

on a surface level - it was years and years ahead of it's time. the narrative exploration of politics, fake news and misinformation and the advancement of tech is executed excellently. it explored technology in the post modern in a way no video game prior ever had, and did it two decades before any of it ever became mainstream. the themes that sons of liberty cover are only increasingly relevant and tangible to the world around us. hideo kojimas accuracy in the hysterical nature of misinformation and his depiction of the spread of imperialism through the internet and virtual circle is truly amazing.

beyond the acknowledgement of these themes, the game handles and potrays them excellently. raiden is an excellent character as he's fun to play, but characters like ocelot and solid snake and other people within in the machine and games world take wildly different stances and paths regarding this technology. the way it is represented, each element - no stone left unturned. i cant overstate the depth in the setting and characters it is just handled . so well. there is also something to be said about the monumental climb from the first to the second game - but. this will get too long if i get into hideo kojimas career

i just. cannot overstate that mgs2 is a game from over twenty years ago and it is still the greatest ever made to me. i dont know if anything can ever change that. it is genuinely in some part responsible for my individuation as a person and probably singlehandledy why im interested in "meta" media. it impacted me profoundly and has stood the test of time. just insane

[lowpolyotakuconvention]

What I mean is, their characters in mgs3 accommodate for their immoral actions in mgs1 and IMO foreshadow their involvement in the Patriots (which had just been introduced in MGS2) and Les Enfants Terribles.

Para-medic speculates about the possibility of cloning and preserving Snake's genes. We know she ends up being the Dr. Clark who experimented on Gray Fox. It's not a huge leap to believe she was involved in Les Enfants Terribles.

Sigint is literally called SIGINT and speculates about a system like the Patriot AI. We know he becomes the DARPA Cheif and does some pretty immoral shit. It's not a huge leap to believe he was involved in the AI's creation.

It just flows too well for me to believe it's a retcon. I'm wondering if maybe the character info file thingies that revealed their real names weren't added until the MGS3 re-release. 'Cause didn't the re-release come out after mgs4? It's the only thing I can think but idk how to confirm that. idk, it seems like such a universal take that I feel like I'm missing something.

@theowlseye @okuajub (indirect reply, sorry lol)

Can some explain the whole "mgs3 crew were retconned into villains" thing to me? Like weren't para and sigint semi-established characters in mgs1?

[garak]

hi. going to talk about a liquid lives scenario and how i would want it to play out. i thought too much about this so i’m putting it under a read more

ok. normally for stuff like this where its like “what would happen if this guy didnt die” its just like well his wounds werent as bad or he dodged an attack or something. unfortunately with liquid we have a genetic hit out on him so we have to get a little more creative with it, but luckily kojima fucked up and made metal gear low fantasy so i’m saying that instead MANTIS barely survived his wounds and was able to do basically what he did with volgin except this time because the two of them have been feeding of each other for so long that now that theyre both fucked up they can essentially pool their energies(?) to make it so they both barely survive although liquid is still draining mantis more than usual. because liquid should be dead and because mantis is basically only alive because he feels motivated to keep liquid up and running, if either of them dies the other dies because the whole “alive because the other is alive” feedback loop breaks. or maybe they just end up with their energy pools permanently fused so theyre like psychically linked forever as a side effect of mantis trying to stop foxdie? i don’t know. either way its not like mantis can cure him it’s the same as volgin where liquid is a dead man walking, so just like volgin he’s stuck at the age where he died as sort of a parallel to snake having his whole foxdie rapid aging thing.

it should be noted that i do think ocelot still cut liquids arm off, since i’m pretty sure he does that on shadow moses as opposed to later because ocelot, for all that he is a fucked up old man, is not someone who would likely stitch rotting body parts onto his open wounds. this provides great comedic opportunity because he did that and liquid literally just was fine. the whole set up of the rest of the series is fucked obviously because after mgs1 so much is orchestrated by liquids ghost, but i think we can still salvage some of it by saying sure whatever big shell still happened but liquid was there physically instead of as a ghost, liquid and mantis laid low for a couple of years after mgs1 with the help of ocelot or eva or solidus or someone, so now mgs2 has a whole new aspect where liquid and mantis are also there. i think this is great because you have the options of them either working with solidus or just also being there both of which are great.

as i see it the scenarios are as such: you can play it the way i love playing it with liquid and ocelot, where ocelot is a haggard father figure to liquid who feels a certain level of obligation to him since he DID promise to train him even if he didn’t end up doing that in time to stop kaz like he said he would. with this kind of set up you have many many excuses at your disposal for liquid knowing things he shouldn’t, being places he shouldn’t be, being protected from the us government, etc., so you can play out a lot of liquid ocelot stuff in later games as it is in canon except this time they aren’t duking it out in ocelot’s head and instead are getting into yelling matches in the middle of battle. this set up also works if you want to say that liquid is blackmailing him or otherwise forcing ocelot to accommodate him and mantis and their whole deal. with how this relates to solidus, it can be any of three ways, either with liquid becoming a member of solidus’ team through his connection to ocelot, him being brought along because he can’t be trusted not to fuck things up when nobody’s keeping an eye on him, or him rifling through ocelot’s shit and listening in on his plans and then showing up to mess it all up without ocelot having any prior knowledge. i don’t have a favourite out of these, but the idea of liquid and mantis being present to remark on solidus’ plans is very funny to me.

of course, you can also say that they specifically avoided being known by ocelot because he DID cut liquids arm off which is not massively conducive to their friendship, and that they gained knowledge of the situation with big shell and the tanker and all that through other means. if you really want to lean into the psychic elements (since i’m just making stuff up about how it works anyways, it can’t do any harm) you can say liquid and mantis with their powers combined has been fucking with ocelot to make him think his arm is possessed. mantis is able to do possession stuff and with it physically being liquid’s arm they kind of have a leg up on the situation.

i havent figured out what to do about the whole big boss’ body thing or most of mgs4 but whatever i’ll figure it out later. for now these are my thoughts on a liquid lives scenario. i really like liquid snake and i miss him every day

[armed-saphire]

NOW ITS UR TURN WHO ARE YOUR MGS FAVS AND WHY!1!1?1!1?1!1?11!1! ٩( 'ω' )و

EHEHEEEE OK SO I'll say my fav from each game

Mgs1 is def Liquid he. He's so overdramatic it's really funny. He did so many backflips while explaining his tragic backstory 🥰 and then he just fucking died and turned into an arm which is the real tragedy (I have so many random HCs for him it's insane... I also rewrote his backstory a little...the recessive thing is so dumb)

Mgs2 I think it's a split between Raiden and Fortune. Raiden I really enjoyed playing as a character who is just... idk how to put it I just like that he's flawed and not some morally perfect charismatic guy. It feels like he's set up to be that way and then he whines about everything and is very dismissive at some points. It feels like he's a real person and not perfectly crafted to be the ultimate stereotypical good guy protagonist who can stay cool and collected in every situation. He has his moments where he lets emotion get the better of him and I like it a lot.

Fortune I have less to say about her but it doesn't mean I like her less. I think she's a really tragic character backstory wise but I also like how she sort of "plays into it" I guess? Ocelot points it out himself near the end of the game ("you couldn't get enough of the drama"). I thought the ending where she found out she could've died any time and she didn't have some magic ability was sad too and I lowkey wish she didn't die and was like redeemed somehow (imagine she comes back in mgs4 and has to go against Vamp or something that would've been so cool)..anyway I guess I didn't actually have less to say I like Fortune a lot blehhh😋

mgs3 AGH.. EVA ILY she is such a well written character and I love her so much I could write an essay on her if I wanted but I'll keep it more brief here. She's like a perfect subversion of the typical sexualized woman in video game thing...it's what she's doing as a spy for the mission and the best part is it doesn't even really work lol nice job snake. The game itself even adheres to whether Eva is in her Eva persona or her Tatyana one. It's....aghhhhghhh so great. (I have so many thoughts about her and Liquid btw)

Mgs4...difficult but probably Screaming Mantis. For real this time not a lot to say about her but I do like her a lot more since playing the game she went from my least fav B&B unit member to my fav one. She was really fun to watch in all her cutscenes and her boss fight was one of the best MGS boss fights I've ever done tbh. The callbacks and references to the first game were so good I won't lie I was giggling kicking my feet a lil bit. Screaming Mantis ily I have so many thoughts <333

Peace Walker ermmm Kaz and Paz equal I can't decide..also maybe Amanda. Yeah I like everyone a lot 😭 and Cécile....not Snake tho sorry lol. I haven't finished the game so I haven't gotten the full character arcs of everyone so it's hard to pinpoint exact explanations but you know I love Kaz forever and ever mwah mwah (I'm also a transfem Kaz truther and I'm RIGHT!!!). Amanda has a lot of really cool tapes explaining a lot of...not really exposition but it gives a lot of great context to her character. And her voice acting especially in cutscenes is some of the best voice acting I've seen in an mgs game so it adds a lot. Paz I need to learn more about her. I know basic plot points but not the inbetween stuff that really lets you get to know her. I do feel really sad for her though, Kojima decided he wanted shock value instead of a female character having a nice ending 🤷‍♀️ Sucks.

Mgsv QUIET!!!! QUIET ILY!!! she's soooooo OUGH. I'm glad a lot of the fandom has fixed her from her extremely flawed portrayal in the game because it shows what really could've been and I think I latch more onto that than the version of her in the game just a little. The foundation they were working with was still really good. The way they show her and venom building such a strong bond despite never having a single conversation is really well done and I like it a lot. Quiet ily my favourite creaturething killgirl my favourite ear biter offer...

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okay would you be willing to rank the sneaking suits?

Yes, I would, a lot. This is gonna be image-heavy and will go under a cut because I want to at least try to appear dignified and normal on the surface.

In order of most to least favorite.

1. MGS2

This suit, yall. this fuckin suit. Jesus christ. I feel like it's meant to look good more than it's meant to be functional, and BOY HOWDY DOES IT DO A GOOD JOB OF LOOKING GOOD. I think we all know Kojima thinks tactical gear is hot, and that's all kind of here. But like, it doesn't look *trashy*. I'm into ladies too and tbh I don't really mind the whole bikini armor thing, but I will admit that bikini armor is annoying because it’s usually trashy-looking. It is much, much more attractive when someone's gear is sexy while still being tastefully subtle about it and thats what THIS is, on a man instead of a woman too, which gets it rarity bonus points.

Like. For real. and it just looks so GOOD on him too, you know? Combined with the long hair and bandana... /chin-hands/ perfect character design. hottest thing ever. eternal fangirl until I die.

(using a pic of this figma because it’s detailed in a way mgs2 isn’t) You know. It just kinda leads your eye around. There's a way in which his vest slopes down his back with the location of the drawstrings that makes it look like a corset. There's a way in which the straps on his legs extend downward from his vest that makes it look like garters. Like it's all there, and I'm 95.8276 percent sure it was deliberate.

If I can pull my head out of the gutter for a second. I also really like how this suit is kinda ambiguous blue-teal-grey colored. Mgs2 does an interesting thing with the lighting where the color of this suit kinda changes depending on the temperature of the lighting that is hitting it, whether it contains more cool or warm colors, the suit kinda shifts with it. I really like that detail because it feels tactically sound, like a precursor to the octocamo.

Anyway.

2. PO/PW/GZ

Woof woof bark bark. Sometimes I wish that the mgs2 suit was a lot darker in color because I think dark colors are sexy, and this suit takes care of all that for me while still having a bunch of tasty eye-leading design that differentiates it from everything else. The splash of color on the gold bands and green harness is a great touch and almost gives this a sort of "wetsuit" vibe? I also really like the drawstrings on the sides of the arms and legs. This design is super good. Big Boss more like Big Sigh while my eyes turn into hearts.

3. MGS1

The suit that started it all. This one definitely leans a lot more towards the "functional" rather than "sexy" side of the scale in part because of the elbow-knee pads and the thermal vest. TBH for a bit I didn't like this suit a whole lot because I always thought it fit him weird, mostly because the model in Twin Snakes was my only non-polygon reference for it and it just wasn't that good, imo. But then I saw this render...

and this figurine:

my opinion changed and now I love it, it's so COOL LOOKING. All it needs is a bit of a more modern render in order for you to fully appreciate it, imo!!

I think this suit is the most badass out of the bunch, kind of the most "I mean serious business" out of the bunch, and naturally, that = sexy. I think also that Snake having short hair with a bulkier suit is a great character design contrast, similiar to how in mgs2 he grew out his hair longer which contrasted with the sleeker mgs2 suit. Shinkawa knows what’s good.

4. MGS4

Old Snake's suit, oh, Old Snake's suit. MGS4 was the game where people really started noticing and talking about how much emphasis was placed on his ass, which looks fucking fantastic for his age might I add. Besides that, this suit design was always super interesting to me because of how it feels like an All-In-One sort of thing, and how its lines and such kind of mimic muscles and sinew.

(courtesy of our favorite mgs4 documentarian @youlltrytobreakmetoo) It seems like a very carefully-constructed suit with a ton of thought and effort put into its design. It is not as much to my personal taste like more traditional-looking gear is, but it's still very cool looking! The load-bearing vest up top isn't my favorite thing either but I appreciate it design-wise as a contrast in the silhouette. I also love the octo-camo. It's such a neat idea, and all the patterns look great. I particularly like the black Metals one and the really dark navy blue one.

5. MGSV

Venom Snake is a straight up hunky beefcake who will look great in anything you put on him. Absolute legend. I do personally prefer him in his usual outfit but he also looks real good in the sneaking suits. While the GZ suit is an option here, This entry is more about the black and grey sneaking suit that is an option in TPP, which I thiiiink is meant to be a rehash of the mgs1 suit?

(Oh god, that image is smaller than I thought, sorry for the blurriness.) I think it looks good on him but it, in my opinion, needs more color and distinguishing design features. It needs to be a little more design-y and a little less functional. But it doesn’t have anything that I hard dislike on it so it’s still not last.

6. MGS3 black sneaking suit

Unpopular opinion? maybe.

Not saying this doesn't look cool on Naked Snake. It does. It does!!!! But I really don't like the puffiness on the sleeves and legs. I know they were going for an astronaut vibe, but that just doesn’t tick any boxes for me. I think that the design also just feels a little out of place in mgs3 in general, I'm so used to Snake wearing his fatigues that him wearing anything else is just weird. The orange is a cool pop of color though, so it gets some style points. But lose the weird puffs pls, and lose the grey. Put this boy back in his fatigue suspenders, please, or stick him in the PW suit.

HONORABLE "WTF" MENTION: PW suit with the dick suspenders and these... grenade pattern... thigh high boots?! holy shit.

OKAY WHEW THAT TOOK ME FOREVER AND i HOPE SOMEONE BESIDES ME LIKES MY DUMB THOUGHT DUMPS. LOVE YALL, I NEED TO GO TO SLEEP NOW LMAO.

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Do you think if the Metal Gear Solid movie is based off the 1998 game, do you think it’d be a romance/action flick? With a random obligatory love scene between Meryl and Solid Snake?

I know the director would have to appease a large general audience, possibly a large percentage who’ve never heard of the game before. I just don’t know how I’d feel about Snake and Meryl hugging each other without clothes on.

Do you think the director will make Ocelot ambidextrous, do you think Ocelot will still be fighting for Big Boss or just turn out to be some senile old-man who has a torture complex and doesn’t know where he is half the time?

I just hope Otacon isn’t some random guy Snake says “hi” to and never talks to again.

For some reason I’m worried about this film, but maybe it’ll surprise me and many fans and turn out really good.

you have come to discuss and i’m so happy. replying under the cut because i’m kinda

Do you think [the movie]’d be a romance/action flick with a random obligatory love scene between Meryl and Solid Snake?

It better not fucking be. I’m gonna say it, it better not fucking be. the director seems to really love the source material and MGS, as a Game, is. not about Romantic Love (well. not Heterosexual Romantic Love. ask me about my feelings on how lesbian love (through SLove and Joy) and gay love (through... y’know) are the driving salvating forces of MGS) so i do think AND hope he wouldn’t do the movie and the source material dirty like that.

MGS does have some Flirtatious Moments between Meryl and Snake but not only do their relationships ultimately fail (LOL) these moments are also kinda awkward and gawky. it’s a sad truth that Hollywood Really Likes its Man And Woman Look At Each Other And Kiss scenes but i do hope the director will overcome this formula + IN THIS DAY AND AGE I MUST SAY. Meryl is canonically 18 in MGS. this makes hers and Snake’s relationship Not That Great and with a heavy power imbalance. Meryl’s youth is also important to her character because it’s the fact that she’s so young which makes her behave how she does in MGS. however, in the year of our Lady 2020, women have spoken about large age gaps between characters in movies, and how it’s part of a bigger problem (i could elaborate oooh i could so bad). having a Kiss Scene would mean a number of things, you either:

A. have a young Meryl as she is, and the scene is uncomfortable, creepy, + the age gap between THE REAL LIVING ACTOR AND ACTRESS is fucked up.

B. you age up Meryl and you take away from her a crucial reason why she is the way she is.

C. you acknowledge it’s kinda Freaky and you either remove intense romantic scenes or you keep em as the awkward back-and-forth there is in MGS, with, as you’ve noticed, NO KISS. THEY NEVER KISS. YAAAY.

(I know the director would have to appease a large general audience, possibly a large percentage who’ve never heard of the game before.  I just don’t know how I’d feel about Snake and Meryl hugging each other without clothes on.)

I’m deeply aware a number of Gamers who had MGS when they were little will be VERY attached to Meryl As The Love Interest, but as you can guess, as 1. a dyke 2. a human person 3. a pair of eyes i’m like. not fucking excited about it. the best way (for me) to go about it is like. acknowledge Meryl is blinded by her youth and seeing The Legend. if we get a sex scene? an implied-sex scene? simply i am rioting. i am not witnessing sir Oscar Isaac’s ass on my screen.

Do you think the director will make Ocelot ambidextrous, do you think Ocelot will still be fighting for Big Boss or just turn out to be some senile old-man who has a torture complex and doesn’t know where he is half the time?

Not sure about the ambidexterity, I do think it’d be fucking funny for Ocelot to drop his gun like in that one Twin Snakes scene. One of the things that i think is going to be hard for the movie is Lay Out the Lore, IF they go the “be as faithful to the source material as possible”, so showing 1. who’s big boss 2. why is ocelot here is going to be.... Interesting To See. showing ocelot as a senile old man would be a great disservice to the fans because he’s deeply loved and a great disservice to the source material because he’s like emblematic and one of the most implicated characters. if the director loves MGS as much as he says he does he MUST have seen the interviews in which Kojima says Big Boss and Ocelot shared “pure love” since the moment they met, so... c’mon boy it’s going to be 2021 you can give us the Lighting Of Cigar in a flashback. you know you can.

I just hope Otacon isn’t some random guy Snake says “hi” to and never talks to again. 

Otacon is literally SO emblematic to the franchise i do not think the director, as a Fan, would do him dirty, but then y’know. i can be surprised. in a bad way. even if the movie is focused on MGS (1998) and doesn’t touch on MGS2 where snake and hal already. live together apparently or MGS4 where they raise a child together, i do not think hal will just have a small role. like... he’s GOTTA be important. i would pray if i did that they do not discard him for Meryl because she’s the Love Interest because Hal is canonically the one who stays by Snake until the end of his life. ADD: I understand they could very much Go Their Own Ways and make something Different but then... why make an MGS movie. why not make a movie with new people. new characters. new settings. you feel.

For some reason I’m worried about this film, but maybe it’ll surprise me and many fans and turn out really good.

you’re perfectly in your rights to be, and I am too. as I’ve said I’d much rather have had an animated movie, or even an animated mini-series. I hope it brings more love to the original materials. I hope it doesn’t turn out an umpteenth Action/Romance movie. I’d pray for it to turn out right but that’s not the type of relationship me and my watchers have.