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smthing bout “boy” moms who post about how they r soooooo glad they don’t have to deal with girl drama is so internally misogynistic and it never fails to make me mad lol
same energy as when dads get visible upset at gender reveals when they find out the r having a girl. like does everyone just hate women?
#🔪 - mello talks too much#boy moms are by far worse tho#i’ve seen so many that are just WERIDLY into their kids idk man#i want to have a boy#but idk man the way these grown ass woman project themselves is just so#gross#i saw one that was like ”i will always be my sons number 1 girl”#like ????#like IK they are going to somehow hate on their sons wives in the future#ok sorry for being serious on the dash
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I've spent years working with very vulnerable women, but I still forget just how easy it is for a man to destroy a woman's life: chip awag at her self-esteem until she doesn't trust herself; convince her to move (so he can get a better job and isolate her, so she can work part-time and be a housewife); inflict an unwanted pregnancy (he can support her, she can leave school/work); burden her with care responsibilities (he's working, but she's not working as much, she can care for the parents and the children, just like her mum, aunts, and older female friends)...
And, when she realises what he's done, what can she do about it? If he destroyed her self-esteem, she thinks she deserved it for being stupid, because that's what society says about women like her; if he convinced her to move, she'd need to organise somewhere to live when she moves back, and rent is expensive, and all her stuff came with her (even harder if she moved countries, has a work gap, and/or her parents live overseas and depend on his income); if she's pregnant, she needs to jump through 'oh, are you sure you want this?' hoops and pay for it (apparently, it costs around AUD$500 for the abortion pills) or maintain it (and know that it'll cost more to have a child, and chain her to him); if she has those care responsibilities, she can't just walk out on those she cares for (she'll be punishing them, and she'll potentially be punished in the courts)...
#i'm indifferent to sexual/romantic separstism but i can't trust men#i've seen it go wrong far too many times#i've seen women accept far less than they're owed just to keep poverty away#i've seen courts look for reasons to award partial child custody to men despite serious DV allegations#i've seen women bought from overseas and enslaved at home in australia; chained to men by kids and threats to cut off his payments toher fam#i've seen men try and get their non-citizen wives deported when they realise they don't like them (or try and kidnap kids overseas)#i've seen entire communities shun women based on his lies and her attempts to leave#i've seen women whose decision-making confidence is so utterly destroyed they ask lawyers to make decisions for them#i could go on for days and days and days
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we need a käärijä cinematic universe family tree
#like we need to organise the boyfriends#we need to organise the wives#we need to organise the kids and the in laws#too many to keep up with ..#käärijä#käärijä cinematic universe#just saying shit
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"historically polygamous societies loved to wage war and slavery to dispose of excess men and emphasize female conversion" okay all those things are true of monogamous societies too. Western Europeans are famously probably the best at war and slavery from the current standpoint and they're monogamous. And from the way you wrote that I can tell you were thinking of the middle east so what the fuck
#cipher talk#Many east and southeast Asian cultures are accepting of polygamy. They also don't really emphasize conversion AFAIK most of the time#So you're probably thinking of West Asia. And weaponizing my peoples trauma to make a stupid point#Because you don't actually care enough to research marital norms and how they impact human trafficking and genocide#And don't have the brains to understand thar the norms of a fundie community cannot extrapolate into a whole civilization#With no nuance cuz it'll collapse#Most Muslim men in history have had one wife. Because you can only have as many wives as you can afford to support#After that the common number is 2#Fundamentalist American polygamists often have FIVE TO TEN.#It's a completely different ratio with different social pressures#This is also ignoring that some sons in a whole society are not expected to have kids and have free avenues to not have kids#Instead of a cult where the choice is made for you#It's not a good situation. It's still heteropatriachy and there was indeed slavery. But it's not as extreme as fundies are in the US#Simply because discarding a significant portion of your male children by abandoning them or killing them isn't sustainable#And like. Monogamous societies do the same thing with how marital expectations intersect with genocide#Women are targeted in both instances because of their reproductive capacity and forced to assimilate/convert#To kill the culture in their generation and the next via marriage to the one targeting#A massive part of American history is doing this#And I don't mean just the US I mean both continents
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Kody saying that he never loved Christine, Jenelle and Meri, like why? Why would you say that? To make him feel better? I wonder if he and Robyn divorce if he will also say the same thing about her.
I think it's his way of absolving himself of a lot of guilt. If people believe he loved them at any point and they also hear the things the 3 ex-wives are saying about the way they've been treated, there's no way for Kody to look like the good guy. He looks like a shitty person and I don't think he can stand that lol.
I think in his mind, if he says he didn't love them then it makes it more ok that he treated them unequally for over a decade, if that makes sense? Because it's not as bad to withhold time and affection from someone you're not attracted to (Christine), or someone you were just good friends with who pushed their way into your family (Janelle), or someone you "decided" you were going to try to love but never really did (Meri). It makes him sound like a martyr to himself that he ever treated any of them decently at all, because he's incapable of admitting any of the truth of the situation to himself.
#sister wives#its a very immature way to go about things#but he's not emotionally intelligent enough to admint something like Maybe I Just Didn't Understand What I Was Looking For In A Partner#Until Robyn or Maybe I Was Getting Married For Reasons Other Than Love And I Regret That Now#instead he tries to embarrass and shame these women who spent such a big chunk of their lives with him and had so many of his kids#it's gross
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I wasn’t planning on posting this but the couple people that follow me for my riker/data content really liked my last post so I wanted to give y’all more of them
#they are cuddling 👍#I’ll be real I have so many thoughts about them. about their wedding about their kids etc#gee riker how come they let you have TWO wives (pointing at data and Deanna)#and data gets. a thousand boyfriends. most notably Geordi#but fr data just kept having gay moments with people throughout the show huh? nonstop?#art#star trek: tng#star trek: the next generation#star trek tng#data soong#william riker#data/riker
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Pls dont take me to utah i have wives and kids. Many kids. Many wives. Like. Ten thousand. I cant go to utah. Please.
IM SORRY!!?! You not only have the NERVE to deny MY orders, you also decided to have ten thousand wives and kids (what the fuck?) and YOU consider that MY problem? HATHEN. Your punishment will not only include going to Utah, but you will be FORCED to read the filthy Book of Mormon over and over again, FOREVER!!!!
You (don’t) hail me,
White Pharaoh
#white pharaoh#utah#book of mormon#reading#how tf do you have so many kids and wives#like seriously what the fuck is wrong with you#none of them will be missing you becuase your probably an absent spouse and parent anyway
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[ b52 ] how would they describe themselves in as few words as possible? @/Toji 🤭
🐝 * ― 𝑪𝑶𝑪𝑲𝑻𝑨𝑰𝑳 𝑸𝑼𝑰𝒁. ( send one or multiple of these to learn a little more about my muse(s). )
He's the type of guy you'd have to press to do it, and if you manage to not annoy the ever living hell out of him in the process, he'd likely describe himself as a man too tired for anything, but still does shit anyway . If you do annoy him, though, he'll likely just give one-word answers : Diligent . Stubborn . Prideful . That sorta thing .
If you managed to get the real answer out of him, though, he'd describe himself as too fucked up . He's a man too fucked up who fucked up too much . He's desperate . He's remorseful . But he's also wholly selfish, and knows that what he wants he'll probably never get because of that, and of course much more . Again, he's a man who fucked up a lot .
If you really enforce limiting his words, though, and were still getting a legitimate answer, he'd just describe himself as sorry .
#mailbox : letter answered#known mailer : scintillate-stars#💔 ( blog lore )#i'd tag meta but :p#the way i tend to describe him though is a man who very much just wants his kids back in his life#and to have an opportunity for either some closure on it for them or just . a chance to fuckin fix it#it's the one damn thing in his life he wants to fix and it's the one thing in his life that has him describing himself in the ways#i answered above#the other shit he does beyond that is simply habitual and comforting because he'll only do shit he already knows#though now it's just . not at all good always but he can't help that it isn't because all the good shit he had all disappeared#at one point you might've been able to hear him describe himself as changing .#that he was a man striving for change because he found better in life#but now . well .#he's just sorry#can't exactly say that in a few words though and literally none of this answer is a few words but#i have many things to say is all ( ̄y~ ̄)╭#also none of this is at all to describe how he feels about like . everything in his life . like#he doesn't regret or feel sorry about all the shit abt gojou and getou and riko#he's family-oriented in the sense that he wants his family to actually be a damn family .#<- megs and miki i mean . since his wives are dead and there's no way in shit he's talkin' about the zen'in's ever#that's why he'd describe himself as selfish though :p he knows having a family likely isn't a reality for him now#let me stop talking though clearly i can't get prompts saying y'all want a few words AKLSDFMS#i swear i don't intentionally go against it it's just hard for me to stop myself 😭😭
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Shoutout to my mother for taping HOW TO UNLOAD THE DISHWASHER instructions to the front of the dishwasher, it has taken many years but at long last she has gotten the general gist of my brain problems (she was married to my dad and shared a room with my aunt growing up, after all) and is being genuinely helpful in material and meaningful ways. Thenk u momther 4 my ADL assistance
#My dad had. Pretty all of my brain problems compounded by the worldview of a white guy born in 1951 in southern Illinois#So just kept making successive wives and then his daughters be his caretakers and was a huge entitled asshole about it and also#A violent drunk until he stopped drinking and dealt with shame about not being The Right Kind of Man etc etc etc#aunt was like if 3 anxiety disorders in a trench coat were a person and that person was a hoarder#And could not organize or keep any space clean or remember anything to save her life#Obsessed with baseball freaky good at languages never had a job#Had two degrees from Ivy League schools#The ones who died young in institutions are extreme examples but there are so many members of my family I see as#Cautionary tales because almost all of us are crazy and on the autism-OCD-schizophrenia spectrum and so many people end up#Miserable and terrified or in awful relationships or whatever because they try to have regular lives and do things like regular people#Like bestie We Can't <333#That Way Lies Misery <333#Only happy person among grandparents' kids is the uncle who went thru intensive therapy became a freelance software engineer#And now lives in the desert with his wife except when they visit the farm to take care of the grandkids during harvest season
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this is my roman empire
#pay no attention to the man behind the curtain / ooc.#this is basically only the royal line so like how many wives? did the wives have anymore children? what about his siblings?#how many siblings? how many had multiple spouses and how many kids did those marriages have?#this could be a STAGGERING amount of people that just NEVER GET TALKED ABOUT
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my boyfriend’s mom will be out all night on a date so i get to play housewife tonight n make the boys dinner :)
#‘the boys’ being my boyfriend and his brothers (all adults)#ah yes#the joys of being an italian wife-mother#makes me think of arackniss SOOOOO MUCH LMAO#because he rly does strike me as the traditional italian type#who would want his wife at home tending to the house and the kids and making sure he has a full meal on the table the moment he walks#through the door <333#this is what i was saying the other day tho when i was talking about italian mothers and their love for their sons#even within my own family i saw this so so so much#fuck my mom still does it#this isn’t a criticism btw!!! just a lil fact that the majority of traditional italian moms rly favour their sons esp the younger ones#but also it’s like soooo many men who grow up in this type of household environment expect their wives to also be their mothers when they#move out#and i’ve seen that with multiple men around me in our community#as well as with THEIR mothers#like ‘oh she better take care of my boy’ etc#i don’t think that’s something necessarily unique to italians it’s just the only culture i can speak on since i am italian#anyway i enjoy cooking for family so!!! :) i am excited c:#if it were feasible to be a housewife in today’s society i would absolutely choose to do it but alas#who the fuck can survive like that anymore LMAO#clari chatters#clari chapters
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I hate that I literally just do not trust any of the older folks in my family to do right by anyone
#if i have learned anything from my grandparents parents uncles and aunts it's how not to treat children and spouses#i hope I'm a good wife to my wife and that i never put them through pain I've seen people put their partners through#i hope i never treat any children in my life like they do#i hope my possible children my nephews and nieces and my siblings always know they have a home with me#EVEN if I'm mad or disappointed in them#even if they scream how much they hate me i hope they know i love them I'll still feed them and make sure that's safe#i hope the people in my life never have to question of they're loved or safe with me i hope i can provide for them so they never have to go#with out something they need and then some to spoil them i want these people loved#i don't want my daughter to think because she talked back to me or is dating someone in not super found of that I'm goin to throw her away#i hope all the kids in my life always know I will try to take care of them as best i can no matter what#not trusting your elders to love you sucks ass not trusting your partner to love you through the scary bits of life sucks#i know so many men who just leave their spouses or cheat on them when they're wives get cancer#that's one thing I'm glad my dad did everything he could to try to let my mom know he loved hwr when she was here at least#i didn't understand or like some of the things he did but qt least he stayed with her and loved her then#unlike some people I'm regrettably related to#i hwar people at work talk about their spouses also one lady wants her husband to die#and it makes me sad i hope to God. my wife never has to question how much i love them i hope they feel loved and special forever#i hate how people treat the people they say they love the most i hope i am not like that i hope i never ever get like that
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you know that tiktok trend where it's like "before and after kids" and the before is them happy and the after is the clip of that toxic guy from euphoria walking away?
#..... i just feel that if people would be honest. many people's relationships have cracks in them before kids#a lot of people either use kids to fill those cracks or#are for other reasons coerced into having kids#OR have never had a real conversation about what life will look like after kids#furthermore i really really do not want to victim blame#but A Lot of women have kids with men who not only do not have knowledge about periods and pregnancy but also are disgusted by those things#and not helpful or not interested in the health of their partners in the first place! so it's like!!! idk it is very awful and tragic#and i wish people didn't convince themselves that being in relationships with men who do not offer them safety#is really better than just being single#like a lot of these men do not care!! or they want children but want nothing to do with child raring#or dont care to think about what child raring will look like#and the fact that their wive's bodies will change and undergo A Lot of physical trauma in order to have a baby#and when the reality of those things hits it is so easy for them to just step away from the discomfort instead of being a good partner#bc that takes a level of selflessness that they did not sign up for bc men typically get married out of selfishness
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Why do right wingers go on and ON about "father's in the home" when fathers are basically useless in the home? Like every year I see posts that go around about "dad finding out about what I got for Christmas" and it's like if fathers are so uninvolved they don't even know what Christmas gifts their kids are getting I don't think them being gone does much?? Like of course there's good and bad parents of all genders, but traditional gender roles- which the aforementioned right wingers ascribe to- mean men do jack fucking squat in the house OR anything with their kids so what the hell do right wingers think men are doing that's so important in the home if it's none of the childrearing or house work??
All I've got in this framework is a paycheque and these days women work so men wouldn't even be contributing something women DON'T, so I have no idea what these people think men are doing that it's so irreplaceable that being gone is damaging to children when by all means under their ideas of gender and family men are less than useless to their family. Women do all that work (and barring that, DAUGHTERS do more parental work than fathers so them being gone does what, exactly, except maybe rid the family of an overgrown child? Men who actually contribute are the ones families would be damaged without, not traditional men who probably don't even know how to do their own laundry OR cook or have any life skills because women have done everything for them their whole lives so???)
#winters ramblings#'no fathers in the home is what leads to gangs!' they cry while they do nothing with their kids make their wives do all the housework#and theur DAUGHTERS parent more often than THEY do. TELL ME what use you are in the house Giant Man Baby#tell me what thing you do thats of the Utmost Importance that being done causes irreversible damage to your kids#surely you being THERE isnt causing them damage right? RIGHT???? because this brand of dude being HOME#sounds worse than this brand of dude being GONE because these dudes and the women who marry them are HORRIBLE tyrants#who deserve each other but sure shit DONT deserve the kids they have then force into their lifestyle then abuse all their lives#like serioualy what the FUCK do they think men are doing thats so important in the home when their own beliefs state men do SQUAT#in the home??? do tou seriously think your PRESENCE is what does it?? pretty grandiose sense of self there huh#assuming just EXISTING beside your kids lives means youre literally holding everything together lmao like no#your wife does all that and if she isnt your KIDS do it buddy you dont do fuck all to consider yourself that important i dont get this#like literally men in traditional gender shit dont do ANYTHING outside of a job amd getting waited in hand amd foot#do you think having a personal slave you occasionally fuck is what makes you this important??#i mean the mormins say yes so hard they think a billion wives gives you a better planet in the afterlife but like come on#at least ATTEMPT to have common sense when recruiting to your nonsense beliefs#then turn around and claim GAY PEOPLE are recruiting people to their 'lifestyle' like that isnt LITERALLY THE DESCRIPTION OF MISSIONARY WORK#gays arent CHRISTIANS guys. (some are but they arent recruiting to GAYNESS even if they may try to convert you religious wise-#although i suspect a great many WOULDNT do that on account of the history between the church and gay people#so probably they just are gay and love jesus but still yall get it)
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Kody has always reminded me of my dad who was physically abusive to my older 4 siblings and his first wife and verbally abusive/"I've grown and changed" narc toward his 2nd family. I wouldn't put it past Kody to have physically abused the OG3 but I also wouldn't doubt that he's either physically or otherwise abusive to Robyn and especially the kids.
You're definitely not the only one who's thought that. Even before his red-pill nonsense, people used to say they thought Kody was possibly physically abusive. I've personally never gotten that vibe, I think Kody is certainly mentally and emotionally abusive, but I also have no experience with DV so I might just not know what to look for. I definitely had a dad like Kody in the sense that he had a short fuse and had little to no ability for self-reflection though lol.
But like I mentioned in that ask where some rando got mad at me, the likelihood of pretty much every type of abuse skyrockets in fundamentalist households, and probably especially in polygamist fundie households with all the extra people and stress. Mykelti has mentioned Meri getting physical with her at one point too which I wouldn't have expected from Meri at all, so if we found out there was some other physical abuse going on bt Kody and any of the wives/kids I guess I wouldn't be surprised.
#i personally dont see it happening to robyn though bc it really seems like she's the top dog in that relationship#but i could be wrong#the most likely victims for me would be the kids of the OG 3 just because soooo many are no contact and kody speaks so lowly of them#whereas Robyns kids get held to completely different standards#sister wives#kody brown
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