#manipulative charlastor

[whamgram]

The Alastor versus Vox fight from chapter 16 of my Charlastor fic, Under My Skin.

[kenziem-posts]

I’m new here but…

Charlie & Alastor are giving

“Just fear me, love me, do as I say and I will be your slave”

“Flattering child you shall know me, see why in shadow I hide”

✨energy✨

And honestly, I love that for them

[nekogaaaaaaa]

Yes yes.. this power couple is hot and badass

But what if they found a cat

[miniagula]

THE CLAWS ARE STILL THERE THE CLAWS ARE STILL THERE THE CLAWS ARE STILL THERE THE CLAWS ARE STILL THE

[nouverx]

just imagine charlie being the only other character in the hotel to understand Alastor's sayings and gripes about the modern world. She's even older than he is, those two could have so much to talk about. I'm still fairly young but I have plenty of gripes about the modern world, I just know those two old ladies could find something to share lol.

I adore Charlie and Alastor as characters, and I adore your art! All of your art is damn cute to me, it's great! I need more of charlie and alastor interacting and being silly in my life, romantic or platonic doesn't matter to me lmao.

You are just like me for real 😭 when the pilot came out I was so intrigued with Alastor and Charlie they immediately clicked for me and became my favourite pair of the show (tho now that the first season is out all of Alastor's other relationships stole my heart lmao but I still love them a lot) the "big bad villain who initially wanted to manipulate the sunshine character ends up accidently getting attached to them" trope is like one of my favourite tropes ever and they have the potential to become just that so I'm really invested in what their storyline will be I'M SO EXCITED

AND YEAH the fact that the hotel was already so has-been looking before Alastor showed up makes me think Charlie is similar to him, she's more up to date than him regarding new technologies ofc but I just know my girl loves vintage stuff ahah

(Also I want them to have a duo song in the next seasons SO BAD no offense to Heaven 2 Hell I love this song but I need something new it's been 4 years lol)

[alastor-simp-page]

The Deal/Chains Charlastor Week - You Always Lead

I already gave you guys a sneak peak so this is a continuation. I think I cooked or I may be cooked. It was an interesting perspective to write from. And well, it was more about the characters and their relationship rather than the plot which is wayyyy out of my comfort zone.

Welp, take a look for yourself.

Charlie offers a deal to Alastor where he sells his soul to her in exchange to being her hotelier. Alastor learns that the naive, wide-eyed princess is far more than what meets the eye and soon he begins to crave some sort of control over his life...no matter what.

“My terms are that…” Your eyes dart away. Good. You’re nervous again. Just how I like you. “...you can assist me on a much more personal level if…” Well, go on! I’m listening, darling! We may have all eternity, but all this stalling is getting rather out of hand. “...my Dad said I can only make you my hotelier if I own your soul,” You say. 

Ah, there it is. Only the Devil himself could orchestrate such a thing. There’s guilt in your eyes. Oh, how the darling little princess of Hell feels such guilt. It's tearing you apart, isn’t it? You’re so naive, polite, and unsure. A perfect lump of clay, soft and delicate, mold you with my hands into something I desire. Something easily swayed, manipulated and you’d never know, would you?

I feign interest. Tilt my head in a way that makes you light up for a moment. As if I’m going to accept this ridiculous deal. “And what would I do as your hotelier?”

“Well, you would help me with the hotel! Help redeem sinners! And you know, help organize activities. Take care of the hotel. Stuff like that!” You’re beaming. You think I’m going to take this deal, don’t you?

“Darling, couldn’t I simply do that… without you owning my soul?” I ask. 

Your beaming smile drops. “My Dad won’t take it any other way. He doesn't…” I beat her to it. I can see the words on her tongue, dancing there, through your porcelain skin. 

“Trust me?”  I speak. You nod. Hah, you’re far too honest for this world. “Well, my soul is off the table. However! I’m more than happy to take your other offer about advertising your hotel!” 

It's the better deal even if that hotelier position is beckoning from the shadows. My, my, my, being that close to the princess? I would play the loving, doting, supporting business partner. Everything you need. Everything you desire. If only you hadn’t asked for my soul. However, if I try to alter it to not be for my soul, you’ll think I want it badly. And we can’t have that. 

Darling, we’re in a dance and I’m leading.  

“That offer is off the table,” you say, that flash in your eyes is back again. There’s an edge creeping into your voice that hadn’t been there before. Something peeking out from that perfectly naive little princess you’ve built up. My, how bold! That smile returns, “Take it or leave it.”

Is that how we’re going to play it? That’s a new tone. A cutting-edge tone that doesn’t fit that sweet little face of yours. I decided it's time to stretch my smile a little wider, scare you a little. “And my soul is off the table as well.” I laugh. You frown. We’re so different, you and I, hm? “It seems we’re in a stalemate darling.”

You clear your throat in that dignified royal manner, “Alastor, as your princess and your superior I am telling you that is my one and only offer.” You give me a small, nervous smile. “Sorry.” If only I could frown I would. No, I wouldn't, it would be weak. Here you were putting all your feelings on a display case and here I was looking through your little window. 

Your shoulders are stiff and your face even stiffer. Hmm…you’re not budging, are you? Not unless I do something drastic. Is that what I need to do for you, my little princess? Something that’ll make you come running? I stand and say, coldly, calculated, making sure the iciness reaches your bones, “I’m afraid that’s a no deal situation, princess.”

You don’t say a thing, even do a thing as I walk straight out of the room. I’ve boiled this down to a routine once I leave a bargain. The four step routine. One step, you’re thinking about what happened. Second step, you’re thinking about running after me. Third step, you’re standing. Fourth step, you’re either calling my name or running after me. 

It has worked time after time, a desperate attempt made by the other bargainer. By that time, my claws are deep enough to ask whatever I want, whatever I desire. They’re at my mercy. 

It’s been ten steps once I stop short in the hall. Ten steps. Six steps in between where you didn’t say a thing, didn’t come running down the hall. That wonderful voice saying, “Alastor wait! Alastor, no, come back! I’ll change the deal!” Not a single word. I crane my ears even with heightened senses, there’s nothing…dead silence, as silent as a tomb. Perhaps you dropped dead? But the Princess of Hell doesn’t just collapse in a heap and die. That’s impossible.

You stayed in there, saying nothing, doing nothing. What? I turn on my heel. No, I stare back down the purple carpeted stretch of hall, fading all into the distance. I will not do that. Go back? Out of the question. That would be desperate. You’d have all the power at that point. 

Something deadly, something dangerous whispers in my ear: you’re walking away from the Princess of Hell. I am. I’m walking away from a life–well, after life changing deal that could bring me power beyond my imagination. I would be your hotelier. In the same building with you. The same floor? Neighboring rooms? Be right at your side–

–with a chain wrapped around my neck.

 No, with a loose chain. You're kind, you’re naive. You’ve never known cruelty. You’d let me run free, a dog off leash. Let me run, let me be free as much as a chained being can be. I’d be connected to you. 

No…this is insane. I would be losing my soul. Something so delicate, something so easily broken by a keeper. You could control me. 

But what would you make me do? Nothing much I can see. You’re soft . Somehow optimistic in a fiery pit. You love sinners. You want them to graze the holy clouds and walk amongst the saints. You’re a saint amongst sinners, darling. Even if you did have my soul, what would you make me do? Dishes, help you? That’s not too demanding. You wouldn’t yank me around like a pet. You don’t have it in you, do you, Charlie?

My heel squeaks as I turn and stalk towards the room. Then I hover behind the door. Once I step through…I’m doing something irreversible. I will not walk out here the same. I walk out as your lap dog. A toy to use. No, you’re naive. You’re young and inexperienced. You want to help sinners… sinners for Christ’s sake! How much more gullible can you be?

I step across the threshold, and you look up.

[alexiethymia]

listen whatever you may think about their relationship…that little chin tuck/touch and mimzy’s whole ‘have fun with your li’l princess’ were cute

[allastoredeer]

Nah, Sevi's totally a dickhead. You can tell by the way he smiles.

(Imagine a camera panning over to Alastor grinning like a jackass.)

Hehehehehe

Sevi dickhead (derogative)

Alastor dickhead (affectionate)

Sevi (this character we know nothing about and haven't met on screen) doesn't have Alastor's cunty bitchiness 💅 he doesn't have that ✨charm✨.

Charlie traded one dickhead who's using her royal status for their own gain for another, but at least Alastor makes it fun.

[nyx-lyris]

this was so cute ngl

❤️💛Today's Daily Charlastor

[zootopiathingz]

Debunking all the reasons Charlastor is “wrong”

(and I’m going to be brutally honest because I’m tired of y’all’s bullshit)

“Alastor sees Charlie as his daughter!!” No the fuck he does not. He said that to get on Lucifer’s nerves. That’s it. Infantilizing Charlie—a grown ass woman—to make him appear as her father figure is the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen a fandom do, like ever.

“Charlie is a lesbian!” Correction; she’s bisexual. She likes women and men. Careful babes your biphobia is showing

“Charlie is with Vaggie!” So? I don’t care. I can ship her with whoever I want. Canon does not dictate what you ship and it’s getting ridiculous how people think otherwise

“Alastor is aroace!” He’s just ace. And ace people can be in relationships and believe it or not they can have sex. It’s not your place to define someone else’s asexuality. (Also it’s a bit sus how I never see anybody bring this up in any post about literally any other Alastor ship…)

“The age difference is-“ let me stop you right there. This fandom does not give a fuck about age gaps because if they did, they wouldn’t be shipping Alastor or anyone else with Lucifer—who is older than the earth itself. Charlie has like maybe 100+ years on Alastor but he’s been dead for almost a century now and he died a full grown man so it really doesn’t matter

“He’s manipulating Charlie!” He’s manipulating everyone. That’s his whole personality. Why is it ok to ship him with other people but not his narrative parallel?

“They have no chemistry together” are we watching the same show..??

“Well it’s just not a good ship!” That’s your opinion. If you don’t like it that’s fine. My feelings will not be hurt if you unfollow me for what I post. You do you, idc. Just keep your negativity away from me, and other Charlastor shippers. Our content is not for you so stop interacting with it.

Oh yeah also these characters aren’t real, so like stop being so offended over a goddamn ship. I promise you your daily life will not be affected by it

Anyway that’s all.

[princess-charlie-of-hell]

How can people see this scenes and don't think they have some chemie with each other? Or even worse look at them and think that they have a Father Daughter bond

And yes I know he is manipulating her in this picture and I don't care. The ship is interesting for me because of the dynamics and I generally prefer ships who are not 100% fluff and wholesome

If in the first picture it would be Lucifer or Vox instead Charlie the fandom would have gone crazy

I even remember seeing scenes redraw with Lucifer instead of Charlie and then it was tagged RA so I stay by my theory the Charlastor would be more popular If Charlie were a man

It looks like he is touching her boobs in this picture for me

Nobody can tell me that Lucifer didn't thought that al was her boyfriend before Charlie said that she is together with Vaggie

[goresuki]

my thoughts on Charlastor and Alastor calling Charlie "the daughter he never had"

this will be a very long rant/vent/whatever. also, a kind of... agressive one. if u wanna read, read it, if u don't, don't, idc and idm. I don't know if some antis take things for convenience (that way) or if they really are naive, because the fact that a manipulative guy like Alastor, whose intentions are unknown, tells Charlie that he sees her as "the daughter he never had" DOES NOT SOUND as CUTE to me as many DO seem to think it does.

I don't know if they don't realize the relationship Charlie has with her parents and how Alastor seems to take advantage of her.

From the pilot we realize that Charlie has no contact with her mother. In the series it is established that they have not seen each other for 7 years.

The first episode JUST talks about Charlie having so called "daddy issues" as her father, Lucifer, is an absentee father.

Charlie appears to NOT have had a close relationship with ANY of the two for some time (or quite some time).

The only person Charlie has is Vaggie, to protect and care for her (here's why Vaggie is so "boring", as some people call her, as she is acting as a guide/parental figure for Charlie, even though their relationship is romantic).

Where am I going with these points? That I think it's complete nonsense for people to take super-literally what Alastor has said: "you're like the daughter I always wanted to have".

Isn't it convenient for the most feared overlord (not the strongest) to approach Charlie and find that she's not as vulnerable as he thought (because Vaggie is there)? Isn't it convenient for Alastor to make a very absolute polarity between Vaggie and him in the pilot, where Vaggie comes off as the "bitter one" and he as the "fun guy"? Isn't it convenient for Alastor to PROVE to Charlie over and over again that HE knows what SHE NEEDS by pulling his tricks? And, oh, surprise… Isn't it even more convenient that when Lucifer arrives, who has a lousy relationship with his daughter, Charlie, Alastor rubs it in his face that he is doing everything that he (Lucifer) is responsible for, and furthermore, hits him right where it hurts, manipulating Charlie so that she seriously BELIEVES that Alastor REALLY sees her that way, and thus making her STILL not have a GUIDE other than HIMSELF?

I'll make it simple for you. You know how narcissists work? They will make you believe that YOU are special, and at the same time, they will ALIENATE you from your loved ones to keep gaining whatever they need from you. Charlie is, literally, his supply.

Alastor is a psychopath and narcissist. Do you really think that someone who can't genuinely empathize and love is literally going to feel affection for a grown woman who is very naive and doesn't even have power over her kingdom because she is so immature? Don't you think it is VERY OBVIOUS that he has literally said to her face: "I'm going to manipulate you in my favor because thanks to me you have all these upgrades in your stupid hotel"?

Alastor hasn't as such made a deal with Charlie, but he's winning her over in HIS way.

And I don't know who's crazier: charlastor shippers like me, who don't give a damn about canon and want to enjoy shipping WITHOUT bothering ANYONE (and don't come out with the stupidity that it's a "proship". Proshipper doesn't even mean "problematic ship", it means that you are FOR shipping whatever you want, living and letting live, without HARASSING others. Let's remember that Hazbin Hotel characters DON'T. FUCKING. EXIST. Alastor is not going to come out of the screen to say: "omg, user, thanks for defending me from those evil shippers uwu", or Charlie to say: "thanks for defending me, you're so good, user…. You're such a good person". Pro: "in favor of", shipper: "shipper, ship", however you want to call it. Don't modify terms to suit yourselves because you can tell that many don't even know how suffixes and prefixes work in words. Neither Charlie nor Alastor are going to die because someone shipped them. They are FICTITIOUS characters. The FANON is not going to change the CANON. Learn to sepparate stuff, ffs. Go out and touch grass once in a while) or antis who put on a pedestal what Alastor said, believing it as a justification to ATTACK people in the fandom who shipped something different, according to them, "problematic".

There they do forget that Alastor is a manipulator, that he is a person with a LOT of arsenal to get his way. There they forget that he IS a guy Charlie should NOT trust. There it DOES count because IT CONVENIENTS THEM. That's when the canon MATTERS to them. There it COUNTS. It doesn't matter if Charlie gets hurt because of trusting Alastor, they only see what they want to see. If you guys are going to humanize this fucking characters, at least be a little bit logical. Got me? Remember what Viv said?: "ship whatever you want, JUST DON'T HARASS ANYONE". These people say: "fuck what Viv says", but on this occasion, since she DID say something convenient for them, it DOES matter what Viv says now, doesn't it? Hypocrites.

Charlie has no one beyond Alastor, and I don't remember where I read that theory, whether it was here or elsewhere, where they talked about Alastor looking for a way to alienate the hotel itself in one way or another. That's why he doesn't use very flashy technology (Vox can travel through the latest electronics, and the hotel has an old box TV), nor does he go out of his way to provide anything of good quality (like the video camera). The hotel has its own power supply (we see this when the blackout occurs during the song between Alastor and Vox).

Alastor DOES NOT WANT Charlie as his daughter, he's just taking advantage of her to get whatever he needs to get out of her.

Charlie doesn't even seem to know exactly how her powers work, and the only person who can teach her is Lucifer, her father. And if Lucifer is out of the equation, Alastor can do whatever he wants.

He's hit Lucifer right in the jugular, and Lucifer knows that all the power in the world can't make up for the wrong he did to Charlie.

Anyway, if a real anti thinks Charlastor is problematic because "AlASTor AlreADy SaiD hE sEES hEr As a DauGhtER," I remind them that they are not dealing with a character who cares about others beyond maintaining his own status, and ffs... they're not even real. KEEP SHIPPING. KEEP DRAWING. KEEP MAKING FANFICS. FUCK THESE PEOPLE THAT TRY TO HARASS YOU, FUCK THESE PEOPLE THAT TRY TO MAKE EVERYTHING "PURE" ON A SHOW ABOUT DEMONS AND HELL. FUCK THESE PEOPLE TRYING TO MAKE A FANDOM THEIR OWN FUCKING WAY BECAUSE THEY CAN'T HANDLE THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT VIEWS. FUCK THEIR SAVIOR COMPLEX, JUST COMING AROUND WHEN IT'S ALL ABOUT CHARACTERS THAT DON'T EXIST, FEEL, OR THINK FOR THEMSELVES, BUT DISAPPEARS ANYTIME SOMEONE REAL COMES, HARASSING AND SENDING DEATH THREATS TO THEM. FUCK THESE PEOPLE, GIVING PSYCHOLOGICAL DIAGNOSES OVER A FUCKING TIKTOK VIDEO OTHER ANTI MADE JUST BASING THEIR THEORIES ON THEIR FIST RESULT ON GOOGLE. FUCK YALL, CAUSE YOU'RE THE REASON YOU WHINE ABOUT THIS FANDOM. JUST AS WE SAY IN SPANISH: O LA BEBES, O LA DERRAMAS.

[beevean]

Continuing my quest on finding good Charlastor content and I keep having Thoughts :)

because most of said content was, understandably, made between the pilot and the beginning of the actual show. And it's not only noticeable by the insistence of having Charlie and Alastor bond through dancing (since in the pilot that's the scene where the two seem to be having genuinely fun with each other), but also because the "creepiest" works (for lack of a better term) do indeed paint Alastor as Charlie's puppeteer, as the one who will push her to the dark side and unlock her demonic potential.

Part of this is still canon. There's all the heavy handed manipulations in ep. 5 where he presents himself as a better father figure than Lucifer and as the only one Charlie should love and trust; and also... well, the everything in the scene in ep. 7 where he finally manages to strike a deal with her lmao.

(you sure are unusually touchy with her :^) )

And this damning line:

Yes, Alastor desperately wants to have a hold on Charlie's mind if not heart. Even after he admitted in the pilot that he doesn't believe in her cause, he wants her to see him as a trusty mentor. And while the pilot is outdated in certain aspects, I can almost see traces of this... possessiveness? in the way he kept pushing Vaggie away: he clearly doesn't like anyone threatening his authority, and in that moment, Vaggie and her mistrust were an obstacle in his objective to ingratiate himself with the Princess of Hell.

I also noticed that Alastor is willing to make deals that don't require owning a soul: he cares about being the one in control even if he doesn't gain anything material. He struck a little "deal" with Vaggie just to do things his way, and he struck a more serious (but still not soul-binding) deal with Charlie so that she could owe him one favor. Alastor very much cares about having the upper hand in any situation, even the smallest one.

But then ep. 8 came along. And we get the confirmation that Alastor is bound by a deal. He hates it. It "clips his wings". He clearly blames this deal for limiting his freedom and causing him to nearly die for the sake of his "friends".

Alastor may be more of a puppet than Charlie is, at the moment.

And if the theory that this deal is what is forcing Alastor to protect the hotel... Charlie may be the one holding the strings, without even knowing it. While Charlie is not the one who directly owns Alastor's soul, she might have power over him.

It doesn't help that Alastor, as much of a self-serving liar he is, really seems to like Charlie...

(He doesn't need to offer her his precious mic that seems to be the source of most of his power. She already owes him a favor, and was shown comfortable enough to talk to him about her personal issues. This is Alastor showing his trust in Charlie.)

(again, he doesn't need to say this to Rosie, who clearly thinks the world of him)

(yes, this is about the entire hotel. But my point still stands that it's more earnest than anything we usually see from him)

So now we have a puppet in the hands of an unknowing, kind puppeteer that he actually be mildly fond of... and he wants out of every constraint possible because he wants to pull the strings, damn it all! And he will do anything to gain mental leverage on the one he's been forced to serve!

And I think this is what makes the dynamic even more interesting than a straightforward "manipulator/victim" :)

[doomalade]

Radiobelle/Charlastor is a banger of a ship

The “I’m gonna manipulate her and take control of the hotel for my own nefarious purposes and amusement” to “oh no I caught feelings” Alastor

The “I believe every sinner can be redeemed, even you” Charlie

The beginning off as unreciprocated love. Alastor remaining stubborn in his mission to protect the hotel, to help Charlie on a whim whatever it might be.

Forget his original plans, forget about any deal he made bounding him to the Hotel, he is doing this now for her and her alone.

The “I know I won’t make it to Heaven but you will” Alastor and the determined “We’ll both make it together Charlie” to a “or perhaps we’ll both remain damned, but still together” Alastor

The tragedy of Charlie going to Heaven but Alastor not

Or

The both of them so stubborn in their love for each other they are doomed to damnation forever, but together

I LOVE THIS SHIP

[miniagula]

they make me ILL and SICK IN THE HEAD

[crypticpillbug]

📻🌈

I've been kinda obsessed with their relationship since the pilot, and now with the series release the brainrot came back full force lol. There is something about the dynamic between two very different personalities and worldviews and how they clash in a romantic setting that is SO appealing to me. Especially if one of the parties involved has some weird psychosexual relationship with the other (my little headcanon), while they remain oblivious to their own feelings. Not to mention the naive vs manipulator or predator/prey dynamic, chefs kiss imo, although I completely understand why this darker perspective of the pairing is sometimes not well received haha.

On that note, shout-out to the fic "Penance" by kinkydents on AO3 for having my absolutely favorite characterization of these two, they have my deepest gratitude and most of my current brainworms <3<3.

Edit: This was my first charlastor drawing and the second time I drew Al, and because of that I wanted to make a tweaked version that is just a little different and shows somewhat the way I draw Alastor now, so Charlie is practically the same as in the original ｡⁠◕⁠‿⁠◕⁠｡ (this was my first time drawing her!) This is entirely self-indulgent ╮⁠(⁠.⁠ ⁠❛⁠ ⁠ᴗ⁠ ⁠❛⁠.⁠)⁠╭