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quicksets-deepspikes · 1 year ago
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haven’t posted berg on the new blog yet i don’t think and frankly i should be jailed for it.
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palaeorange · 2 years ago
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been rereading Shades of Magic lately, which i first read in 2018 (!!). it's been really nice to revisit characters that made such a lasting impact on my brain, so i've been drawing dogs about it i guess!
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doginprogress · 3 months ago
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A Collection of Very Interesting Ibizan Hound Mixes
Ibizan x Rhodesian Ridgebacks (affectionately nicknamed beezerbacks)
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Ibizan x Doberman (dobeezer)
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Ibizan x Malamute/IW/low-content wolfdog
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Ibizan x Greater Swiss Mountain Dog (and a touch of Pharaoh, DNA tested)
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cc1010fox · 1 month ago
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Jango Fett: (timber wolf)
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Nulls: (timber wolves)
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Very independent. Will bite.
Alphas: (high content wolfdogs)
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As deadly as Jango when they need to be. Very big. Very scary. Not as independent as Jango.
CC's: (mid content wolfdogs)
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Less independent than Alphas, but still capable of thinking for themselves. More open to leadership from an outside source.
CT's: (low content wolfdogs, basically huskies, malamutes, and german shepherds)
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Need leadership. Have to be cared for. Good boys. Best boys honestly.
Wolffe and Fox: (high content wolfdogs)
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Mostly good boys. Very high bite instinct, though. Will chomp. No one knows why they're the way they are. Independent from outside sources (inwardly), and very loyal to their pack (outwardly).
Bonus Boba: (smol timber wolf)
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You're lucky his dad's not around.
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darkwood-sleddog · 2 years ago
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Hate to be the bearer of bad news for you both, but the puppy in question is owned by Anneka Svenska of YouTube channel “Animal Watch” and IS a low content wolfdog but is also NOT a Blue Bay. The father of this dog is “Bear” from the infamous Instagram account wander_with_willow (you know the rich lady that cloned her wolf dog after it was hit by a car and died in the hands of a pet sitter) and his embark is here:
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No indication on who the mother is as these accounts often present a certain image or front (the color breeding wolf dog community specifically) or what the cross eyed blue puppy in question, Ocean, will embark at, but regardless Bear was bred by La Pacte des Loupes, a color breeder of low content wolfdogs in France and we can assume the mother of Ocean was also a low content wolfdog in a similar variety.
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That’s quite a pup alright! I’m gonna go ahead and say this is not a wolfdog, though the angles are a bit hard to tell (plus the link seems broken, but no worries!). My first thought was actually blue bay shepherd but I can’t tell for sure (and blue bay shepherds are a whole can of worms all on their own).
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canidbld · 15 days ago
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Dear Wolf Therians...
(Aka, a domestic dog rambles about packs)
Content warnings: none
Word count: 2k
— Day 3 of Sol's Writing Challange
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I want to start off this post by saying that I'm pretty confident I'm not a wolf therian. During my awakening, I automatically assumed a potential wolf theriotype (which seems to not be an uncommon experience) I actually tried to think and picture myself as a wolf, just to try out the identity but there was something that didn't feel right and it was sort of difficult to understand why. Maybe it was the large size of a wolf not matching with how I felt my canineness should look like, or maybe it was more of a personality/mental thing.
Either way, I kept trying to work it out in my brain and read the works and experiences of wolf therians. When wolf therians spoke about being a wolf, there was a lot of mention of feeling wild and untamed with an instinctual yearning to be free. They spoke commonly about how disconnected they felt from humans and that they were actually pretty wary of them and felt uncomfortable in humam focused environments, and that's when it clicked and why I was not a full wolf because I felt pretty comfortable with humans and I didn't feel this inner call for the wilds. I was actually pretty chill hanging out and around man-made settlements and cities (which were a wolf therians' worst nightmare, according to a few essays). Basically, I felt pretty domestic.
So then I just assumed I might have been a wolfdog. I went from thinking I could have been a high content wolfdog to a mid content to a low content, but even then, that didn't feel right. I read an article that discussed the differences in wolves and stray dogs that actually really illuminated my perspective on canines as a whole. Wolves were monogamous, primarily carnivorous, and apex predators and functioned under a family hierarchy. The stray dogs in the article were scavengers, eating what they could find on the outskirts of human settlements and didn't have to abide by strict seasons to have pups nor did they feel the need to form packs unless they thought it was necessary. All in all, dogs had a lot more variety in expression and were more loose on the "rules" of being a canine compared to wolves.
Eventually I just realized and came to terms that I was just a domestic German Shepherd (and a proud one at that!) with an emotional and aesthetic attachment to wolves that had no impact on my identity and how I identified no matter how cool I thought wolves and wolf therians were.
So, yeah, I'm pretty confident that I'm not a wolf therian.
But I loved reading about the experiences of wolf therians and what being a wolf meant to them and how they expressed that but I was mostly invested in how their wolfness interacted within themselves and other aspects of themselves. What was the culture of wolf therians? How did they describe wolfhood? What facets of themselves did they relate with other wolf therians?
The writings of wolf therians helped me create a foundation of how I understood caninehood so I could build up my own understanding using their experiences as a framework.
But one of the things I really was interested in is how a wolf therian felt about packs.
A wolf therian I follow (@words-of-wolf) wrote a piece about their experience with wolfhood (and how they felt it was different to the way other wolf therians talked about their wolfness), and it actually inspired this whole tangent about packs in general. One of my favorite quotes from the post was:
"But I will say that all of my deepest, most vivid, and most impactful memories... they're not of the hunt. They're not about territory or conflict or hunger. What I remember most richly is the love I felt for my pack. It's a feeling I can't quite find it in me to explain; sometimes I wonder if the reason I identify as loveless in this life, is simply because no love I've ever felt as a human could compare to what I felt as a wolf."
The feeling I got reading this was profund and sobering. I didn't relate to it on a deep level, but I was enamored by how they described what being in a pack really felt like and how the pack is what defined their wolfness and not so much being perceived or perceiving specific behaviors as violent.
I watched a documentary about a therian pack just recently actually and it carried a similar level of awe within me when I watched how close these therians were with others. They cuddled and played together, exhibited both dominant and submissive behaviors in a playful manner and had sleepovers and bonded with each other over a bonfire and it was nice to watch the way they loved being a pack together.
Wolves in the wild need packs. It's something that is so important to their survival and evolution and identity as a whole. They are social animals. The bond between wolves in a wolf pack is so solid and intertwinied with being a wolf that its pretty much what defines a wolf in pop media (for the most part) The wolf pack structure and culture also has been studied intensely for years. It's been observed and analyzed, hypothesized, and debunked.
What was thought to be the truth of how a wolf pack worked was actually revealed to be an inaccurate representation by the same man who created the now debunked alpha/beta/omega theory since the old study was done on captive wolves. Said man, named David Mech, corrected himself and said that wolf packs in the wild functioned very much as family units, with the father and mother at the head of the pack and then their first litter as their subordinates and their latest litter as the bottom of the pack. Makes sense. That's how families work mostly in human society.
But then what does this study say about wolf therians (and therians in general) and the way they feel about packs?
When reading about their experiences, some share this sentiment of feeling utterly alone. This loneliness was, for the most part, super intense, almost depressing sometimes when I read certain posts. Especially when the wolf therians I was reading about didn't seem to know any other therian in general, let alone a wolf one plus they had an almost instinctual aversion to humans. It was something I sympathized with. These were essays that read like lonely howls calling for non-existent pack mates in my head.
But those were specifically wolf therians who didn't have a pack, I did also read posts and essays of wolf therians who were and have been in packs (in their current lives) before, relaying their experiences that ranged from enjoyment and curiosity to horror and abuse mostly, from what I've read, due to these packs adopting the alpha/beta/omega model and trying to mimic this with other therians. Now there has been tons of discussion on how the alpha/omega model in packs leads often to power abuse and there has been valid criticism against the use of it in therian packs but there's also been equal amounts of therians who actually like the alpha system implemented in their own packs due to the euphoria it gives them as a wolf.
Keep in mind, the study that first introduced the alpha theory about wolf packs, while inaccurate to wolves in the wild, was still something captive wolves (essentially strangers) exhibited and I think that's important to note. I remember reading (or maybe watched a video) that mentioned how human society naturally has a hierarchical structure bringing up examples like work environments (bosses, managers, employers) and even schools (teachers, principals, students) and so packs that use the alpha model weren't necessarily a bad thing and actually made sense under these contexts.
I think the problem was because some of these therian packs were created haphazardly and were open to therians who were mostly strangers to each other and the alpha model didn't really give the neccesery room for these packs to bond with each other that much, something that had also been pointed out by other therians. Their solution was to be more picky on who you make a pack with. They said that packs should ideally be created with close friends and loved ones or even family.
It was interesting to read the different pack experiences, especially from a domestic dog point of view. Just as a canine, I also do sympathize with pack culture in general and while some domestic dogs don't really have a connection to the pack concept as much as wolves (save for specific breeds like the husky), I still think a lot about packs and how I'd function in one when I realized that I have been apart of packs, that I am currently in two packs; one with my boyfriend and one with my blood family.
And I do actually see them as my packmates, especially my boyfriend. I feel a loyalty to him and my family, I feel the need to defend them, protect them, and support them, not from a human perspective but entirely as a canine. My family pack can be dysfunctional sometimes, but my dogged loyalty means I'll always be there to support them despite the dominance problems. And it's funny to think about how I was "technically" born into a family unit and then when I grew older, I dispersed and found a mate to make my own pack with just like wolves do in the wild.
Therian packs, I feel like, have been a staple in the therian community probably since the first howl (not fact checked) due to how much the community traditionally has had such a heavy canine/wolf lean and focus (which is something modern therianthropy is improving on by being more inclusive to a variety of species) but I wish there were more resources that talk about packs and pack safety and what others thought of them, what their dream pack is and if they would abide by a heirachy or if they'd go off vibes or if they wanted a big pack that was friendly or something smaller thats a little more exclusive. What type of beings would they want in the pack? What type of behaviors would they exhibit in a pack? What name would your pack have? Would you consider your family or friends as a pack even if they're not therians themselves?
I wish even more for resources and essays about packs that aren't just canine centered like herds and flocks. How would therians run one? Would they be a leader or something more passive?
I know that this sort of veers on the edges of roleplay just a little but it geniuenly is a fun mental exercise for me. I like thinking about these questions because it does make me feel like a canine.
For me, I'm already pretty much living with my ideal pack with my boyfriend, even if it's just the two of us (plus our cats), which is what I prefer. I like how small and exclusive it is, and there's not really problems with dominance, considering we feel both pretty equal in terms of power in our pack. There's no name yet. It's just pure vibes right now, but that's okay, i feel loved and protected in this pack, and I love and protect my pack back. I have so much time to consider what a pack means to me as a dog.
And while I may not feel this deep connection to pack culture the way a wolf therian would, I still hold a similar essence of loyalty and love towards those who I cherish as a canine.
My fascination with pack society and culture is probably something I got from my German Shepherd theriotype. The concept of loyalty, protection, love, and family definitely appeals to it. Regardless, I just love reading and learning about it from academic studies to introspective essays, really, just all kinds of records that talk about packs. It truly feels like I'm searching for a meaning here and even writing this entire post barely scrapes the surface of what I truly want to say about packs, mostly due to me getting tired and my lack of vocabulary and ability to explain things better.
Just think packs are cool and see wolf therians as cool older siblings.
Kind regards,
Sol, a German Shepherd.
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@/words-of-wolfs post about wolfhood
The study of the differences between wolves and dogs
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rwuffles · 5 months ago
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☕️ ❛ transwolfdog / transspecies wolfdog ( low-content , mid-content & high-content )! ⚣
pt: transwolfdog/transspecies wolfdog (low-content, mid-content and high-content. end pt.
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︵︵﹒definition | a flag for when one is a transwolfdog / transspecies wolfdog. this is an otherkin / nonhuman term — NOT a rad//queer term.
pt: definition, a flag for when one is a transwolfdog/transspecies wolfdog. this is an otherkin/nonhuman term—NOT a rad//queer term. end pt.
☕️ ❛ tags! ⚣ @crossstains @seapupz @angeltism @autumnmoon-morrison @wailingclowns @transspeciesculture
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dinocanid · 11 months ago
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If you read Xem's post, you will see that she states you should know the basics about that animal before confirming it. You should know that a wolf is a canine that is a pack hunter that lives mostly in the northern hemisphere. That they howl and usually hunt deer or some deer relative. The have fur and are pursuit predators. Those are the basics. No one except you and your friends said you're only a real wolf therian if you can name top ten unusual facts about wolves. How can someone confirm a wolf if they do not know what a wolf is? You yourself said that you differ from wild wolf behaviours. So you know you're not a wild wolf because of that. But twist words and play the victim I guess.
The OP claimed, very blatantly, that if you make a mistake about some species fact that someone else considers "basic knowledge" then they shouldn't be allowed to identify as that species anymore and should be gatekept from the label. Said basic knowledge included very common and easy-to-make mistakes. Someone can identify as a hyena without knowing at first they are feliforms and not caniforms, the OP said that they can't. Someone can identify as a wolfdog or a leopard, and mistake a wolfdog for a husky mix or a jaguar for a leopard in a photo. That happens, they can look very similar to each other. Idk how to explain that a hyena looks like a dog(canine), just like a thylacine looks like a dog. You can go most of your life before finding out the former is related to cats and the latter is related to kangaroos. You can put a leopard and a jaguar next to each other and it is difficult as hell to tell the difference a lot of times. Not all wolfdogs look like wolves, some just look like dogs especially if they're low content. Some dogs just look like wolfdogs or wolves without being wolf hybrids. See: the pile of movies and shows with "wolves" in it (it's wolf-like dogs being casted as wolves, lots of people don't notice). It's not common knowledge, it's fun facts you might stumble across in a "10 Things You Didn't Know About These Strange Animals" YouTube compilation at 3am.
The OP was stating very clearly that your identity becomes invalid the moment you fail a game of spot-the-difference. The OP post is capped off with:
"So yeah. You should know a lot about the animal you claim to be. If not? Don’t claim it."
I'm gonna be blunt that the OP had one of the most rancid takes I'd seen in a while. Knowing the creature exists was not stated anywhere in the post to be enough, you have to "know a lot".
Someone might not know that animal's realistic behaviors, or where they all live geologically, or what all of their body language means. Someone can know their theriotype before they figure out that later stuff, it's happened all the time and continues to happen. This also isn't covering non-earthly animal identities and how you can't even do ecological research on those. Someone can't go on wikipedia and read up on the ecology of their specific dragon species that has zero record of ever existing. Plenty of those with non-earthly animal identities are not less real as a result, it is an absolute buckwild take that earthly animal identities are somehow different with a higher bar of entry. That's not even mentioning people that identify as earthly animals with unrealistic ecology, because that's also a thing.
For the second part of your ask, I'm guessing you're referring to this recent one. You missed this entire chunk of the post:
"...I do not know most things about wolves off the top of my head. Don't ask me anything about wolf ecology outside the bare basics, I couldn't tell you. When I was really young I thought my nonhuman identity was a dog until one day I had the epiphany that I was actually a wolf. I didn't have to bury my head in research to figure that out, I just knew for not much reason. Any information on wolves I know today is stuff I picked up here and there over the years, independent of my identity"
To condense all of that into something shorter: I just knew I was a wolf before I knew much of anything about wolves. I didn't know I wasn't a wild wolf because I know a lot about wild wolf behavior. I genuinely don't know how that conclusion was drawn after reading that.
"Wolves are canines that live in packs and eat deer" isn't research, that's "I watched a movie once that had wolves in it", which is honestly the extent of what a lot of people know about wolves unless they're invested or something. That's not enough according to the OP, and if that's not what was meant then the entirety of the post was worded extremely poorly.
And this last part isn't related to anon, but I've seen a lot of responses since yesterday about "but why is research bad"? No one has said that it was, and I scroll the alterhuman tags almost daily. That's not something people are arguing. The point isn't "research bad, grr learning about animals sucks", the point is that this discourse is old. Like, old as hell. We're not gatekeeping nonhuman identities based on if you "know a lot" going in. We're not going to claim someone isn't a "real therian" if they get one thing wrong about their theriotype.
Let's say that someone is a leopard therian and posts a picture of a jaguar in some moodboard or something. You know the decent thing to do? You might let them know one of the photos is actually a jaguar, which will usually get you a "oh huh, thanks. didn't catch that". At no point do you suddenly have imply they aren't a "real" leopard therian. You can ask if they've maybe considered jaguars, but they are fully able to respond "yeah but no, I'm a leopard". And that's fine. Someone can be a hyena therian, accidentally say that hyenas are canines. It is absolutely fine and possible to say that hyenas are feliforms without pointing fingers and going "you're not a real hyena, because real hyenas would've known that already".
It's not 2012 anymore, we've grown past this. It is the strangest thing ever to see in the year two-thousand-twenty-four.
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strayhounds · 2 years ago
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i mean,, wolves don’t bark very often (sometimes not at all), and typically use other vocals much more (howls, yips, whines, etc.) so that actually makes sense to me!
no bc.. i can meow so well and it sounds so realistic. but i can’t bark for shit and my howl is worse than before. wtf. like. no??? i’m a wolfdog?? hello?? pls??
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wulfbones · 2 months ago
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hello! i'm a polytherian and physical nonhuman, and i've yet to compile ALL of MY THERIOTYPES in one place;
so here's the masterpost :0}
i'll edit this as i see fit
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CANINES
confirmed: grey wolf, vancouver coastal sea wolf, wolfdog (mid-high content), island fox, black backed jackal, german shepherd, siberian husky, bernese mountain dog, border collie, alaskan malamute, and malawolf/wolfamute (low content)
questioning: spotted hyena, arctic wolf, dingo, and coyote
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FELINES
confirmed: mountain lion/cougar, canadian lynx, japanese bobtail, andean mountain cat, and margay
questioning: norwegian forest cat
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OTHER
confirmed: cow elk, fallow deer, white-tailed deer, white cotton tail rabbit, ring-tailed lemur, raccoon, wolverine, and ferret
questioning: chinese water deer, kiwi bird, ostrich, and common redpoll finch
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FICTIONAL KINS
sevika from arcane
john mactavish from call of duty
vampire
werewolf
fenrir
crocotta
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dog-id · 15 days ago
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Hello!! Would it be possible if you could tell me some info on wolfdogs??
sure man! apologies for the wait!! ^_^
Wolfdogs is a pretty broad term. They're often sorted into 3 categories: low, mid, and high content. These categories are in accordance with the ammount of wolf DNA actually present in the canine! there are specific "breeds" where wolf dna has been introduced including the czechslovakian wolfdog & sarloos wolfdog! if you want info on them specifically let me know, i'm just speaking on wolfdogs in general.
People will tell you that huskies and german shepherds have higher wolf content than other dogs! this really isn't true, they're just as much wolf as a chihuahua, which is to say very little. tamaskan dogs were bred to resemble wolves but are not wolfdogs.
People also tend to mix up wolfdogs and dogs with wolflike traits (somehow???) so here are some helpful charts that can also help you differentiate wolfdogs of different contents!
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Temperament - It should be taken into account that every dog is its own individual! however, generally, High content wolfdogs actually tend to be more skittish and shy. This is because normal wolves are usually very nervous and avoidant of humans. Mid-Low content wolfdogs are usually more prone to attacks, especially because of their confidence around humans. They can be more aggressive than both dogs and wolves.
They have very high needs that can rarely be met by humans, and tend to be destructive if not given huge ammounts of space and mental stimulation.
They're also very indipendent, and dont require much human interaction outside of having their basic needs met.
They're known for escaping homes, food agression, having high prey drive, territorial behavior, sensitive behavior, reactive behavior, seasonal agression, and being agressive to or violently protective of small children. Theyre also very very vocal and tend to play very rough. Theyre also do well in groups, but getting multiple is usually an awful idea.
Health & Physical Traits - Wolfdogs usually have a lifespan of 12-18 years.
They're also huge. wolfdogs can weigh 70-100 pounds on average, and can end up bigger than both wolves and dogs.
Its basically impossible to meet the needs of a wolfdog because of various traits i listed in Temperament. That being said they dont do well in the wild either. They also have body language somewhat different from dogs, which can lead to communication failures.
Unfortunately I can't find many good sources on common health issues, buti imagine it depends on what dog they're mixed with.
They're luckily quite hard to injure because they have thick fur and tough skin to protect from each others' roughhousing, as well as predators.
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livinglycan · 3 months ago
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I wonder why I have blue eyes. As far as I'm aware, I am a wolf, not a wolfdog so I don't know why I'd have blue eye since wolves just. Don't have those. Low content wolf dogs can have blue eyes but I really don't feel like I'm one of them. Maybe a high content or a mid content but I really don't think so. I've seen wolfdogs with my coat colors but other than that, I don't really se myself in them aside from what usually happens to them (hence why I coined wolfdog freak, because I relate to their experiences a lot).
I just find it a little weird
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alleleddog · 1 year ago
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Agree tbh, v pronounced stop and supraprbital margins, eyes are big and forward pointing, ear set is very spread (though you can see this in some low content wolfdogs), it just doesn't seem as leggy as you'd expect from a wd
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is this a legit husky/wheaten/wolf mix?
yay or nay
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darkwood-sleddog · 1 year ago
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if anybody wants any more examples of animal shelters behaving badly my local humane society is trying to adopt or foster out a dog that is a known low content wolf dog with socialization and resource guarding issues and they keep the fact he is a wolfdog very VERY quiet. It is not listed anywhere on their socials about him or on his official adoption page. right now they are pleading with people to foster him because he is suffering a lot mentally in the shelter environment. like no shit dude.
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wilderun · 4 months ago
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hi there! Genuine question, and I’m very sorry if I in any way come across as rude or insulting. I stumbled upon your blog while falling down a major rabbit hole on wolfdogs, and, well, everything I’ve seen so far, and the few prior conceptions I had, go pretty strongly in the other direction than the way you seem to be doing things? From a standpoint of breeding and ethics and low versus med versus high content, mainly. I’m interested to hear your experience and perspective- how do you take care of your dogs? Why do you work with high content specific dogs? Is your kennel primarily for breeding purposes? How much land do you have for your pack? How did you get started with this work? I’ve tried scrolling your blog to see if you’ve talked about it before, but the tumblr search is of course failing me. I’m sorry again if this is coming off rude. I really just want to hear your take, and how you found yourself doing this, and why you do it the way you do. It’s fascinating to me, and really cool, and I’m especially curious because this doesn’t seem at all like how I’d conceptualized it!
Man I had a whole long reply written up to this and then tumblr crashed 😭 I will condense it into a shorter summary for my own sanity lol
I do things very different from most wolfdog owners/breeders who look at them as exotic pets to be a “pasture ornament” in an enclosure, yes! I have owned high contents and low contents and worked with everything in between and I approach them as primitive type dogs with a higher intensity level in certain behaviors and have had a lot of success with that approach for raising puppies, breeding, fostering, and taking on adult rescues.
I’ve had the most success with my wolfdogs from certain lines that have been selected for tractable and gentle nature. Lots of people go and buy the cheap zoo stock high content wolfdogs bred for exhibits at facilities and they’re just not going to be anything like the ones selectively bred for companionship in private ownership, in my experience.
My breeding program is focused on my lower contents that I produce from crossing well bred highs to well bred dogs. I will continue with the next generation by crossing those up to HC/down to dog to build enough diversity from those 20-25% and 70-75% animals to cross bred-by animals together and develop a 40-60% line. So I don’t actually focus on high contents for the most part. I like the versatility of a nice well bred low/lower mid range animal but I wasn’t impressed with the existing lines in that % range due to poor breeding practices and poor quality dog in the mix so started from scratch for my own. I am not primarily a breeding kennel, I’m a private owner who spends my days working with my dogs and has a litter here and there when I want something to keep back for myself :)
I have a fenced yard that my dogs play in with supervision, and floored/roofed kennel runs for if I’m going to be gone all day. I work nights and they prefer to be indoors during that time so they’re kenneled in the house overnight.
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isthedogawolfdog · 6 months ago
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Would you be able to tell if these two canines are wolves or wolfdogs? And if they are wolfdogs, if you suspect low/mid/high content? And if you wouldn't mind, could you kinda explain your reasoning? They come from North Georgia Wildlife & Safari Park. Black is Atara, brownish one is Gideon. They park says they are Grey Wolves. FWIW, Atara and Gideon are also mates.
Wolfdog for Gideon, maybe mid content? Atara could be either a wolf or a mid/high content wolfdog, since high contents are indistinguishable from actual wolves, but I’m assuming she’s a wolfdog since it’s pretty unlikely they’ve got a wolf. If I’m being 100% honest it’s a bit hard to tell! The reasoning for Gideon being mid content is that his marking are more distinguished (first image shows this best) and some of his features, such as his ears, are odd sizes that wouldn’t fit for a high content. Atara is hard to ID, but I’m going with high or mid content because she’s got less doggy related features, if that makes sense. Also, it looks like there might be more than two animals here? Possibly? Maybe four, three if the canine with puppies is Atara who greyed significantly.
I looked the place up and I can’t say I’m a fan overall. The facility letting the public interact with the animals the way they do (physical contact and interactions with wildlife, including holding young/baby animals??) really makes me uncomfy. I got weird vibes the second I saw the site, but idk, I just don’t like it. I would not be comfortable giving my money to this organization.
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